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Do Most Post-op Transsexual women Really Embrace the Transgender Umbrella?

This week end I was challenged by one of the Borg and told to STFU and disappear, that most post-ops embraced the Transgender Umbrella.

Which didn't actually jibe with my real life experiences.

This isn't to say they are so caught up in all things transsexual as to embrace HBS, 'Classic Transsexual" or even WBT as an alternative.

Rather most become post-transsexual.  It isn't going stealth particularly, because they still have friends who are also post-transsexual, hell they may even have transgender friends.

Oooh my spider sense is tingling.

Oh what the hell...  I'm post op and I don't embrace the TG umbrella.

So that's 100% of us so far :D

I am transsexual at the moment, but soon I will be a woman.  So, apart from looking in here from time to time to see how friends are doing, I will generally be restricting my LGBTIQ activities to Lesbian groups and issues.

Karen.

Depends what you mean by "embrace"

I've never met anyone who was genderqueer before, and I probably never will.

For someone who loudly proclaims the idea that post-op women should move on and have nothing to do with anything trans, the author of this blog seems to spend an awful lot of time writing blogs about this very subject.

Quote from: xxScarletxx on September 15, 2011, 03:08:48 AM
I've never met anyone who was genderqueer before, and I probably never will.

I've met some genderqueer and/or androgyne people who you wouldn't ever guess were genderqueer unless they told you. Not everyone wears a tee shirt or banner advertising the fact. Just in the same way there are women whom you wouldn't guess their operative history unless they told you.

As far as umbrellas go, if I have one and I meet you walking in the rain without one, I'll happily share mine. (quite hypothetical as I rarely seem to have an umbrella with me when it's raining)  :laugh:

Z

The rain it raineth every day
Upon the just and unjust fella
But more upon the just, because
The unjust hath the just's umbrella

;D

Quote from: Zythyra on September 15, 2011, 06:22:26 AM
I've met some genderqueer and/or androgyne people who you wouldn't ever guess were genderqueer unless they told you. Not everyone wears a tee shirt or banner advertising the fact. Just in the same way there are women whom you wouldn't guess their operative history unless they told you.

True

Since living 'stealth' is - in my case - long past the the promise of probability, and living a sequestered life is an inane idea; once I am post op it is my intent to remain helpful to others who experience what I can relate to of this condition we ts's have encountered and faced in hardship.

Embracing the transgender umbrella does by no means provide that I identify myself as included in the transgender umbrella. I merely wish to support those who need some guidance and helpful answers about something that is still so stigmatizing in the larger public's arena.

For those who wish to leave it all behind, go in peace and live in peace. I pray for your success and happiness.

These people such as the author of the blog post listed who feel some threat to their own existence in claim of some legitimizing title of "true transsexual"; because some of us ts's wish to remain helpful to the "transgender umbrella" (actually, more a cause than an umbrella) does in fact, not do any damage to your precious appellation. By their own admission of self-association to a movement of social disturbance/change (hippies), they too continue to identify/support, to something which a lot of others having once been involved, eventually left for a more normative life.

I sense a duplicitous standard from people such as her representation. Seems rather disingenuous, no?


Dawn

Quote from: Valeriedances on September 15, 2011, 11:28:21 AM
Some do, for their own personal reasons. Difficulty adapting, requiring support, political goals, etc. But those that have left all that behind wont.

It seems from this list that you find it difficult to imagine anyone's personal reasons not being to do with either hardship or selfishness. I just wanted to affirm that percentages aside, there are clearly some people who are very happy being post-op, and who are at the same time happy to identify as trans-. I know they are implicit in your "etc." there, but I wanted to make them more explicit :).

You're right, Valerie. "Once we are post-op" is a subjective term, and unpredictable as well. What I say my intent is today may well be altered after completion. Then again, as I stated before, my intent now is to remain somewhat engaged in support afterwards. I see now value in minimalizing a group of people who are still seeking to gain respectful recognition in our society.

I guess it's like (and I'll probably get jumped on for using this analogy, yet I feel it fits) those few black people back in the nineteenth century who by grace were granted freedom from their bondage. Did they stop helping others of their race seek freedom too, since they were now free? Did they just disappear into "normative" life? Or, did some or most of them still try to help bring freedom to more of their people? As I recall history a number of them with the help of other allies worked underground and even more overtly to end that bondage. I'm in no way equating the perils that transgender people face today to that of people who suffered through slavery. I just think the analogy is fitting in use today as a reason for ts's who make it through to continue efforts to help others make it through too. Even if that involves "embracing" the umbrella. What other tie that binds together is there going to be that can bring authenticity to such a small group of populace if not the "umbrella"?

I guess what I find most confounding in this debate is the harsh rhetoric which only seeks to devalue, debase, and divide by people such as Suzan in her blog. It serves no valued purpose other than that.


Dawn

For those of you who say that you don't embrace the transgender umbrella, I ask.  What are you doing here in a transgender site?  If you don't embrace the transgender umbrella, maybe you shouldn't be here in the first place.  This topic has come up over and over in the last three years I've been here, and the funny thing is that the people who say "I don't embrace the transgender umbrella" are the same folks who said it three years ago.  LOL.  If you no longer ID as transgender or if you don't embrace the transgender umbrella, delete your account and leave Susan's once and for all.  You will be doing the rest of the members a great favor.  This website doesn't need to hear crap from anybody.  Even Susan said it once, if you don't ID as transgender, leave...pure and simple.

Everyone is welcome here for as long as they want to be here, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as everyone else is entitled to agree or disagree with them - provided opinions are expressed politely and leave room for those of others.

We are welcome to question each other's views politely, but telling people they are less entitled to be here, or suggesting that people with views different from yours should leave the site, is not in accord with our Terms of Service.

Transgender is a label that was put on us, I lived with this "thing" for many years not knowing what it was.  I'm not overly worried about a "label" I am more worried about living my life.

Yes we all are at a site that is targeted for Transgendered that's fine, this is a good resource and a place to meet and talk.  There have been discussions over this term since I came here and there will continue to be discussions long after I'm gone.

The idea is to learn how to live together in cooperation and friendship, if we can't get past "words and terms" how do we expect the general population to do it?

Labels, labels, labels
Apparently people has to put labels on everything.
I don't give about it, I know I'm a woman and very happy with it, sure I've the past of born in the male gender ( at least on the outside) but inside me was a woman waiting to escape from the male body.
I don't advertise with my past but, I'm surely not ashamed about it and I will not hide it to any price b.e. lying about it.
Living my life for the last 25 years I'm just one of the girls, also with people who know about my past.
I'm accepted by everyone I know, I'm human, gender female and I do have a lot of friends, is there a label for?

I'm locking this thread for two reasons.  Primarily, the blog referenced by the OP is a constant violator of our Rule #10 and should thus not be referenced here.  Secondly, the thread will unquestionably become acrimonious.  I'm preemptively shutting that down now.

I am also deleting the link to the blog.