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Kia Ora,

::) Italian scientists believe  neutrinos,  travel faster than the speed of light  :icon_yikes: about 60 nanoseconds faster-give or take a few nanoseconds...

A British scientist believes with this new discovery[so long as it turns out to be correct] there a possibility that man could 'visit the past'...  ::) Interesting  ::) ...

::) I believe there are a few ways to look at time travel, for example as I write this I am in a sense in the future [according to clock [and sundial] time NZ]...Many of you are still experiencing my yesterday ...In fact you could say I'm sending this from your future...

::) Another way to look at time, is what I call 'mind-travel',  the average adult human has around 50 to 60 thousand 'thoughts' per day, the vast majority are either of the past or the future, very rarely do we 'visit home' the  'here and now'-the present moment...So in a sense we are constantly time/mind travelling...


::) So where are you all at when it comes to time or mind travel ?

Is time travel possible ?

If so, would this also mean there's no such thing as 'death' as we know it ?

Please use 'lay person's' terms to explain, we are not all scientists...

Metta Zenda :)

My theory is that the neutrinos left Switzerland  ok but as soon as they passed under so called 'Padania' they decided to get out of there as fast as possible hence the anomaly. However aving had first hand experience of italian electrical goods for a couple of decades there could however however be a more simple explanation.

Time travel isn't possible imho, if it were there would be major problems with the existence we presently live in. But there is of course the possibility we are existing in an extremely advanced simulation. Research has shown this is far from impossible and it has been hypothesised it could be a probability.

You are always traveling in time, you are moving to the future. But that could just be relative...
If the universe is expanding at near light speed, then we are also, relative to nothing.
If the universe is always expanding then we should be, too. It's relative.....
You can't go back in time by travelling faster than light. By the time you slowed down, you would be right here again.
You can of course travel as you always do, into the future. That's a pretty good deal.

done a pair of bell bottoms, sandals, head band, a flower in the ear, puff some weed, and there you are woodstock 69, groovy man
Jen61

Looks like it's all an error anyway. Unfortunately an italian government minister released a statement congratulating Italy on the achievement of having drilled a tunnel all the 700+ kilometres. Stupidity on an industrial scale!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/24/einstein-e-equals-mc2 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/24/einstein-e-equals-mc2)

Nothing is impossible

only improbably for the time being

get rid of the conception of time

and anything goes

Consider 'Astral Projection' as taught by the Llamas of Tibet.

Brandi

Quote from: Brandi Nash on September 25, 2011, 06:36:45 PM
Consider 'Astral Projection' as taught by the Llamas of Tibet.

Brandi

Llamas are camel-like animal that live in the Andean mpuntains; Lamas are the title for high=ranking Tibetan Buddist priests :laugh:

Jen61

Quote from: Jen61 on September 25, 2011, 07:09:40 PM
Llamas are camel-like animal that live in the Andean mpuntains; Lamas are the title for high=ranking Tibetan Buddist priests :laugh:

I think it would be exciting to meet an enlightened llama.

I think it would be exciting to meet an enlightened llama.

Might be hard to find one, they tend to be the scalawags of the animal kingdom, they hang out in bars, date strippers and illegally download music from the internet.  At least all the ones I know.

What if Santa Claus had flying Llamas instead of Reindeer? Would his mileage and travel time improve? It works for me and I time travel all the time

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Llamas are so cute

The Vulcan Science Academy (And the Chinese) has postulated that Time Travel is impossible.
:P

I do have a flux capacitor tho! I just need a DeLorean.

But in all seriousness, I cannot confirm or deny time travel. Who am I to say it can't be done or has not been done?

I went to the future yesterday, and it ain't anything to write home about.

Time keeps slippin', slippin', slippin' into the future...

-Sandy

I decided the other day that if time travel were possible, the moment one went into the past, a separate time stream will split out of the one that person came from, and the changes that person (or that person's mere existence in the wrong time) made would not 'alter the future' so much as it would just create an alternate future completely separate from the one the person came from.

Either that, or the universe will do the metaphysical equivalent of dividing by zero.

The key is to time travel while you're asleep, and don't forget to wear a cute hat while riding your time travel Llama

We're all time traveling right now, we're just moving in the same direction at the same speed as one another.  ;D

Satellites, not so much. They move through time 38 microseconds faster than the rest of us due to both their speed and greater distance from a massive gravitational object and their clocks have to constantly be reset to compensate for this.

Moving faster (or slower) forward in time is easy, it's changing direction that is the hard part.

Of course it is possible. I have sat in meetings that lasted 30 mins that easily took 3 hours. I come out of the meeting thinking the day had gone and NO. I had gone back in time.

Cindy

Most if not all of us here have experienced time travel albeit to an infinitesimal degree. It occurs every time one flies on an airliner. Fact, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Time travel is impossible cause time does not actually exist. Time is just a concept we invented to help understand and measure change in the world along with being able to make appointments and know when the shops are open  :P

Moving through timezones =/= Time-travel. Just because one country says it is 6pm and another country says it is 7pm and you cross the border does not mean you have committed some awesome magical action. It means you crossed an imaginary line.

Quote from: mimpi on September 29, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
Most if not all of us here have experienced time travel albeit to an infinitesimal degree. It occurs every time one flies on an airliner. Fact, please correct me if I'm wrong.

True.  And depending on which way you are flying, east vs west, you will gain or lose time as compared to a stationary clock on the ground.

-Sandy

its the speed, not the direction that matters, and a very fast elevator is perhaps an even better example.

Kia Ora,

::) Thanks for taking the 'time' to come up with some interesting responses so far...

Does a clock tell 'time' ? Or are we just measuring the 'space' between its hands - the space between objects?

I read somewhere that time is just a concept we humans use to measure the space found between objects...

Over the years we have been conditioned to believe that time really exists, however time [so it would seem] is just the mind's 'gap filler' for the space in between things/experiences...

True or false ...All that as and will ever happen in ones life, is happening right 'now'...

After all, there is no 'time' - [like the 'present ']

::) Does 'time' travel = 'space' travel ?

I could be wrong...

Metta Zenda :)

It would actually be pretty cool if time travel were possible  :)  Maybe some day

According to Eisenstein time and space are different ways of viewing the same thing.

What would you do if you could go back in time, and do something?

And no, not the save the president, stop wars or even more tragic events of us losing family and such stuff.

Seriously what would you have  done? On a practical and personal level. But things that were possible at your time in life.

I would have applied myself to math a lot more. I would in fact try to understand it. I would have tried to learn to paint.

One of my biggest regrets, and I ragged my teachers at the time about how utterly useless crap they were trying to teach me was:  Poetry.

I would now love to know the use of words and the cadence of speech.
Strange world
Cindy

Zenda's last post makes sense.  We live in a perceived three dimensional world, so we can't see everything in the fourth dimension (time) or the spaces between each point at once because we only get cross-sections of it, the way there are 2D cross-sections of 3D objects.  Time travel would then be, in theory, nothing more than walking through 3D space, just up a notch...folding over the "space" between events the way we fold and bend 2D "space" to access our 3D world.

...or maybe I've just had one puff too many.  :\

Cindy,

If the Butterfly Effect is more than a movie, I'd rather live with my mistakes and regrets than change something in the world I never meant to affect.

I still would've liked to go to Prom though...

Just one? ;)

The Butterfly Effect has to be true although perhaps the end result may not ne a hurricane but something more banal such as us finding the traffic lights turning to red at the last minute...

That's why time travel can't occur in the classical understanding of the concept. Reality around us would be constantly changing, we might even be passing in and out of existence.

I'm going for the Simulation theory, things are so messed up it seems the logical answer. Probably being run by some spotty teenage kid with Aspergers on a virus ridden home built computer with insufficient memory in his bedroom. If he's reading this I'm requesting an upgrade that doesn't involve deletion!  http://www.simulation-argument.com/ (http://www.simulation-argument.com/)

Kia Ora,

::) If time travel was possible and a person were to go back in time and change an event, only that person would be aware of the change...In other words life would carry on 'as normal' for the rest of us-we would be none the wiser  :eusa_doh: ...So whose to say this is not already happening  :icon_bong: ? How do you 'know' it's not ?  ;)

::) Just a thought-one of many...

::) Regarding the Lepidoptera Effect...In Buddhism  it's called  'Dependant Origination' [or dependant arising]  for every action there's a reaction=cause and effect... And the effect is also the cause - 'Interdependency of all phenomena '...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: mimpi on September 30, 2011, 09:32:02 AM
The Butterfly Effect

That was an awesome movie.

If you want to know why NOT to time-travel, watch The Butterfly Effect

Kia Ora,

The Butterfly Effect Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5dVQfzjDS4#)

Metta Zenda :)

Kia Ora,

::) Interesting....Time Travel: Einstein's big idea (Theory of Relativity) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7vpw4AH8QQ#)

Metta Zenda :)

Regarding the Lepidoptera Effect...In Buddhism  it's called  'Dependant Origination' [or dependant arising]  for every action there's a reaction=cause and effect... And the effect is also the cause - 'Interdependency of all phenomena '...

Rachael Carson called it 'The Web of Life' and I kinda like that one.

Quote from: Zenda on September 24, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Italian scientists believe  neutrinos,  travel faster than the speed of light  :icon_yikes: about 60 nanoseconds faster-give or take a few nanoseconds...

A British scientist believes with this new discovery[so long as it turns out to be correct] there a possibility that man could 'visit the past'...  ::) Interesting  ::) ...

::) I believe there are a few ways to look at time travel, for example as I write this I am in a sense in the future [according to clock [and sundial] time NZ]...Many of you are still experiencing my yesterday ...In fact you could say I'm sending this from your future...

::) Another way to look at time, is what I call 'mind-travel',  the average adult human has around 50 to 60 thousand 'thoughts' per day, the vast majority are either of the past or the future, very rarely do we 'visit home' the  'here and now'-the present moment...So in a sense we are constantly time/mind travelling...


::) So where are you all at when it comes to time or mind travel ?

Is time travel possible ?

If so, would this also mean there's no such thing as 'death' as we know it ?

Please use 'lay person's' terms to explain, we are not all scientists...

Metta Zenda :)

Even if it was possible time travel would be impossible...

Explination:

You go back in time to change something, you change it, in the future there is no reason for you to go back into time, you don't so it never gets changed, and thus you never go back to time and thus there is a reason for you to change it and thus you go back into time and thus there is no reason for you to go back in time in the future and thus you don't go back into time and thus there is a reason so you do and thus there is not a reason and ...etc

But lets say you managed to go back into time without intention to change anything...
then you get the looping exponential change self destruction...(with possibility for self repeating loop)

That is to say you go back into time don't change what made you go back into time.... however what you did changes history to a small degree changing the future you to a small degree, that changes the you that time travels slightly thus changing the way you change the past slightly thus changing even more the future self and thus changing even more the you that travels beack into time thus changing your future self more thus changing the taime traveling you more...etc...etc.. eventually the change would propagate to a degree that resulted in you not traveling into the past... at twhich point it would all not happen and might result in the start of the loop again by you going back into time again...

If it is possible to create such an endless time loop... non-participants might not notice it, perhaps it would break off from the normal time stream, thus creating a hell for the participant(s).

Quote from: Abstract on October 02, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
Even if it was possible time travel would be impossible...

Explination:

You go back in time to change something, you change it, in the future there is no reason for you to go back into time, you don't so it never gets changed, and thus you never go back to time and thus there is a reason for you to change it and thus you go back into time and thus there is no reason for you to go back in time in the future and thus you don't go back into time and thus there is a reason so you do and thus there is not a reason and ...etc

But lets say you managed to go back into time without intention to change anything...
then you get the looping exponential change self destruction...(with possibility for self repeating loop)

That is to say you go back into time don't change what made you go back into time.... however what you did changes history to a small degree changing the future you to a small degree, that changes the you that time travels slightly thus changing the way you change the past slightly thus changing even more the future self and thus changing even more the you that travels beack into time thus changing your future self more thus changing the taime traveling you more...etc...etc.. eventually the change would propagate to a degree that resulted in you not traveling into the past... at twhich point it would all not happen and might result in the start of the loop again by you going back into time again...

If it is possible to create such an endless time loop... non-participants might not notice it, perhaps it would break off from the normal time stream, thus creating a hell for the participant(s).

Kia Ora Abstract,

::) That makes sense...after all... it's 'all in the mind '

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: tekla on October 02, 2011, 04:29:28 AM


Rachael Carson called it 'The Web of Life' and I kinda like that one.

Kia Ora Tekla,

::) I'm sure if it was possible she would have gone back in time and kill the people who developed DDT...

Metta Zenda :)

I'm pretty sure that Rachel Carson was very much a moral humanist, and wouldn't kill anyone.  Going back to regulate it's use would have been more than enough for her.

You don't have to kill anyone.  That can result in too many unforeseen consequences.  Much too emotional.

"All you have to do is go back and disturb the parents of the victim during the act of coitus.  Pounding on the front door for example.  Much less of an impact, and the more likely to be forgotten by the parents or even possibly celebrated by them.  Fertilization of the ovum is so given to chance that even random movement following ejaculation could cause a different sperm to enter the egg.  So you're not killing anyone, just not letting them be born."

"TimeCop Manual, Chpt 27, Ethics, pg 762"

-Sandy



cnat spel

Quote from: tekla on September 30, 2011, 03:08:41 AM
According to Eisenstein time and space are different ways of viewing the same thing.

Could you provide a reference for your quote

Jen61

 1905 paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies"

The theory (in this case the special theory of relativity) states that the two elements we find separate (time and space) are really a single thing (time-space) and can not be separated from each other - time does not flow from past to future (that's an illusion we think we see) but merely exist at a point (points) in the space-time continuum.

Quote from: Jen61 on October 06, 2011, 07:27:03 AM
Could you provide a reference for your quote

Jen61

Sum Puella Regis Semina Orta Deo Gratia

What does that mean? I would guess: 'Sono una ragazza reale che semina l'orto grazie a Dio', but that can't be right!

I am a Princess by the grace of God (Latin)

Jen61

Kia Ora,
::) If you have got some spare 'time' you might want to check this out...

Ask A Monk: Destiny, Fate and Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLoITxxmFOw&feature=relmfu#)

It's all in the mind folks...


Metta Zenda :)

It's all in the mind folks...

If that is true you could you up to your roof and jump off and fly.  Try it.  Of all the laws that create swift and sure punishment, the laws of physics are supreme.

Kia Ora,

::) So do things exist [from their own side] 'outside' the mind Tekla?

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: tekla on October 08, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
It's all in the mind folks...

If that is true you could you up to your roof and jump off and fly.  Try it. 

Kia Ora,

::) I would have to be 'out' of my mind the do such a thing  ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: tekla on October 08, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
If that is true you could you up to your roof and jump off and fly.

Flying is easy.  All you have to do is throw yourself at the ground, and miss.

Existence does not depend upon perception, perception depends on existence.

Quote from: tekla on October 08, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
It's all in the mind folks...

If that is true you could you up to your roof and jump off and fly.  Try it.  Of all the laws that create swift and sure punishment, the laws of physics are supreme.

Largely in Buddhism the idea is that valuation is all in the mind (IMO)... that is the major idea to grasp, the idea that one need not associate with an aspect of "reality" in a particular manner...i.e. we need not think negatively of absence of makeup... if we do not so desire, and doing so causes problems...

There is much talk of removing all desire... and while that is plausible it is more relevant to consider the alteration of desire such as not to have conflicting desires. and to choose the desires that are deemed most beneficial to the person. One need only to remove all desires when one is tired of life.

Quote from: Abstract on October 08, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
Largely in Buddhism the idea is that valuation is all in the mind (IMO)... that is the major idea to grasp, the idea that one need not associate with an aspect of "reality" in a particular manner...i.e. we need not think negatively of absence of makeup... if we do not so desire, and doing so causes problems...

There is much talk of removing all desire... and while that is plausible it is more relevant to consider the alteration of desire such as not to have conflicting desires. and to choose the desires that are deemed most beneficial to the person. One need only to remove all desires when one is tired of life.

Now, this is my kind of Buddhism !!!!

Jen61

Kia Ora,

"Existence does not depend upon perception, perception depends on existence."

Form is Emptiness-Emptiness is Form !

Metta Zenda :)

ending sexism/racism by non conformity to popular history?
a daring but possibly effective technique
theres much more to history that the stories we see manifested again
and again in the present claiming to be the past
think about it, why is there so much sponsoring focusing only on these stories?

combining history and metaphysics to find out what really happened
outside of the realm of kings and that whole lame.. thing

basically, psychedelia

the psychedelic world is heaven, may its rays shine through it us,
though we are surrounded by the anchors of this regressive system that
makes absolutely no sense, it can transmute all of that, may it come
through clear and unaltered uninfluenced, like the full moon
not overlaying what we have been seeing but shattering through it
breaking through the chains

the black and white world is the realm of bodhisattvas who must learn
compassion for themselves, through others, there are no mistakes in
the cosmos, worry not

the truth is throughout history there was always an equal force of unity and wisdom bringing it all together, the mistakes are heralded by so many victories and perfections slipped into obscurity, perhaps trying to escape karmic burdens still maybe in the namelessness and formlessness they are more alive and vital?
spontaneously manifesting in any given place in time, to keep the sacred balance
peace and love

Yes I have often thought of how much of history regards those things which were standing out at the time... and not such things that might be more relevent to some such as being an average Joe rather then a king...