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well as a young transguy i was browsing the internet for more information about being transgender and such. But then i came across this and while at first it did offend me, i now find it quite funny to be honest. It seems like they took atleast some time out of their day to research information and even though some of it is insulting, all of the site i basically taking the piss out of everyone and everything  :D

encyclopediadramatica.ch/FTM

thanks for everyones views on it!  :)

Honestly this kind of stuff doesn't really surprise me. This is the internet, it's filled with bigotry from all around the world. And let's admit something, whatever douche had the time to write this up - research terms, and ftm surgeries and pictures, actually knows words like 'twink' which very few heterosexual cisgender people know about, is not someone to be offended by. They are just a bigot without a life, if they had one, I doubt this page would exist at all! Same with all those Christians who don't have anything better to do with their time like 'like helping people as good Christians are supposed to do' and instead make commercials attacking gay marriage.
Don't let this ->-bleeped-<- get to you, bigots are not worth listening to.

Is this website supposed to be like uncyclopedia? Because if it is then I can't say I find any of this surprising, and I'm not really offended either.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, the reason I'm not offended is because this piece was clearly written with the intent to raise shackles and offend, not out of blind ignorance or a sense of superiority. As such, while some of these things are horrible, I just choose to view them the same as any other sexist, racist or religious joke, because that's all they are.

If you look past the horrid punchlines, you'll see that the person writing it does actually know a fair bit about FTM's, which is a much better education than most. I doubt they really feel this way at all in rl.

Edit: And wow, now that I've read more of this, I'm actually starting to wonder if it's on our side. Look past the male chauvinist remarks and the randomly inserted 'LOL!'s and there is a surprising amount of stark information about the ->-bleeped-<- we're forced to go through. If I were a cis person reading this, I think I'd go away with a bit of a chuckle and the thought '->-bleeped-<-, those guys go through a lot, that must suck.' You'll also notice that the article doesn't refer to us as women, but as men.

The site is a joke. Everything on it is written to be the most hateful, vile stuff ever. It's supposed to be funny, but to me it's lame and really stupid, the thing an immature 12-year-old would guffaw at.

Quote from: Aaron on October 25, 2011, 08:26:38 AM
well as a young transguy i was browsing the internet for more information about being transgender and such. But then i came across this piece of ->-bleeped-<- and it really upset me that someone would write this. :embarrassed: Sorry but i thought i should show it to show how some people can be ->-bleeped-<-in disrespectful!  >:(

encyclopediadramatica.ch/FTM

sorry for the swearing but this just added on to my ->-bleeped-<- depressed day.  :(

this almost made me laugh because the person seam to be REALLY INTO IT seach on alot of stuff, and still so very aganst it,
I mean wtf would go like;

"org I really HATE this! its so disgunsting!, now im going to look up alot information about the topic and just writte down how much I hate it so everyone can see it.."
?.....

maybe the person was a ftm itself in big deny and self-hating..

ED is not to be taken seriously, it's an offshoot of 4chan and is meant to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible, and they're intentionally inaccurate with facts.  I thought the article was actually kind of funny, I read that a couple years ago.

I hate sites like that.  If it is supposed to be humor, the humor escapes me.

I left the address of the site, but did remove the active link, you can copy it to your browser if you want (I felt some of the pictures were just too much).

yeah now that ive cooled down i see its not really something to get offended about. whoever made this page is dumb and is probably so upset with themselves that they feel the need to make fun of others  :D also soz bout some of  the surgery pictures and nude pictures some were pretty up in your face  :o

and i dont search for random stuff that disrespects transpeople i came across this by accident.  :)

Quote from: Bahzi on October 25, 2011, 10:56:25 AMED is not to be taken seriously, it's an offshoot of 4chan and is meant to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible, and they're intentionally inaccurate with facts.  I thought the article was actually kind of funny, I read that a couple years ago.

Oh it's related to 4chan? Everything makes sense then.

I as well thought some of it was funny, lol.  Some of it went to far, imo.  but some of it made me laugh.
I feel like it's okay to make jokes about anything, as long as inside there's this common understanding that it's a joke.  But, there were a few "jokes" on that site where I didn't feel there was that common understanding and instead they honestly believed what they were saying negatively about trans people.  well 4chan is a bunch of immature people.  I try to ignore them.

Quote from: Aaron on October 25, 2011, 11:21:53 AM
also soz bout the pictures they were pretty disgusting  :o

You do realize you just insulted a number of people, right?

Quote from: JayValentine on October 25, 2011, 11:52:26 AMYou do realize you just insulted a number of people, right?

Well the ones with all the stitches and the penis pictures were kinda gross.  And I think that's all he was referring too.   but the stitches will heal and it will look much better.   But even then I think calling something like a penis gross is really just opinion, as obviously there are people who like penises.  But he could have just been referring to the pictures.


Actually, I can understand a lot where the guys who made that web page are coming from.  When I was a teen and I first found out about "transsexuals" I was grossed out because I saw all these surgery pictures, and surgery of almost any kind is gross (to me).  Even heart transplant surgery is gross because it's bloody and whatnot.   And I remember being a teen and thinking "I don't want to get surgery!  I just want God to magically rewind time and make me be born in the right body."
However, I've since matured and been educated, and seen plenty more pics and it doesn't gross me out anymore, and I want surgery now. 

/edit for spelling/

i know this is humor so it doesnt really bother me but i do find it super offensive. what i really hate is that it perpetuates stereotypes and makes kids think its ok to make fun of trans people.

I dont find the humour funny,
but if the person is serious them im about to laugh.

they don't just make fun of trans people.  They make fun of EVERYONE.  including themselves.  http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/You (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/You)
Now that I thought was funny.


Oh and they also make fun of haters.  So that made me smile, lol.
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Charlie_Check%27m (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Charlie_Check%27m)

Sorry, but I laughed. Here's why:

We were mentioned as men even if it is FTM, and compared to cisgendered men. Example "Short – Due to women generally being shorter than men FTMs are usually vertically challenged. However, cisgendered men are sometimes short and women are sometimes tall."

Even when making fun of some of their pictures they used the male pronouns. That article could have been written way worse.

If you are able to laugh at other pages on that site or about any type of person then get completely offended when it relates to you then you are a hypocrite. It's either all funny or non of it is funny.

If you're at all familiar with Encyclopedia Dramatica, you won't take that article personally or seriously. It's written by and for 30 year old basement dwellers (internet nerds) who use 4Chan and ->-bleeped-<- like that.

I agree with anibioman though; that is true. It gives the message that it's OK and funny to make fun of trans people, when in fact it's not funny at all. It is a severe birth defect.

Actually that didn't bother me at all lol..

Same thing if I make fun of gingers lol jk

oh no i didnt mean to insult anybody! I just meant that some of the pictures were a bit adult and some were a bit too graphic. sorry if i offended anyone and im not really in any place to insult people as i am a transguy and will have some of those procedures done when im older. please forgive me  :(

Quote from: Bahzi on October 25, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
ED is not to be taken seriously, it's an offshoot of 4chan

Why do most of the good lulz come from 4chan?  It's not fair.

Also, Encyclopedia Dramatica is pure win.  I thought the article was funny.  Now I need more satire.

Well the Mtf one is just rude! >:(

Quote from: Bahzi on October 25, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
ED is not to be taken seriously, it's an offshoot of 4chan and is meant to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible, and they're intentionally inaccurate with facts.  I thought the article was actually kind of funny, I read that a couple years ago.

Couldn't agree more.
It's not like they're targeting a particular group of people, either.

Am I the only one who thinks that phallo looks pretty good?

Quote from: Da Monkey on October 25, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
Sorry, but I laughed. Here's why:

We were mentioned as men even if it is FTM, and compared to cisgendered men. Example "Short – Due to women generally being shorter than men FTMs are usually vertically challenged. However, cisgendered men are sometimes short and women are sometimes tall."

Even when making fun of some of their pictures they used the male pronouns. That article could have been written way worse.

If you are able to laugh at other pages on that site or about any type of person then get completely offended when it relates to you then you are a hypocrite. It's either all funny or non of it is funny.

This.

I always loved how on the MTF page Sarina Valentina is considered the most hottest trap ever.


I love ED.

This site actually doesn't bother me, it's satire. 

What does bother me is that there are photos of individuals who may not know their faces are publicly displayed on this website in a rude and possibly libelous manner.  I don't think defamation is a joking matter, false light laws exist to protect individuals emotional and mental well-being; I believe it would apply in this case.

Maybe the best course of action in this situation would be to rewrite the page?  Put up a photo of Chaz Bono with the text "Chaz Bono has danced with more women than you."

Just my 2 cents.

Quote from: Sharky on October 25, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that phallo looks pretty good?

Nope. It does look really good!  :) I know this is a long shot; but does anyone happen to know which surgeon did that phallo and/or when it was done?

I am wondering about the incision above the pubic hair; is that a usual part of phallo surgery?

The site also doesn't bother me.  It's satire and they make fun of EVERYONE.  It may not be the most mature site, but it isn't against trans people.

I do have a question about a pic on a different page though. If you click on the "mangina" link, it shows some pics in a gallery at the bottom of the page. The first one entitled "Mr. Mangina"; is that a non-doctored pic of a FTM dick on T? I'm just wondering because it looks pretty great especially in width.   ;D Maybe it's the angle but to me it seems wider in girth then most.

Has that guy had any surgeries? Like the one simple surgery that just "frees up" the dick?

I've never been insulted by anything on that site because it's written for and by internet trolls. They don't personally believe the stuff they write; it's just to get a rise out of other people. That's why they have insulting things about all things and all people. It's all one big troll storage, but if you look beneath the memes and wisecracks, many of their articles are well researched and have snippets of good information hidden throughout. Of course, many =/= all.

The site actually ran into some financial problems for a while and was dead. I didn't know it had come back.

Quote from: Tyler90210 on October 25, 2011, 08:25:21 PM
The site also doesn't bother me.  It's satire and they make fun of EVERYONE.  It may not be the most mature site, but it isn't against trans people.

I do have a question about a pic on a different page though. If you click on the "mangina" link, it shows some pics in a gallery at the bottom of the page. The first one entitled "Mr. Mangina"; is that a non-doctored pic of a FTM dick on T? I'm just wondering because it looks pretty great especially in width.   ;D Maybe it's the angle but to me it seems wider in girth then most.

Has that guy had any surgeries? Like the one simple surgery that just "frees up" the dick?

It looks to me like he at least had that surgery to "free" it up. 

Quote from: JohnAlex on October 25, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
It looks to me like he at least had that surgery to "free" it up.

Thanks man.

Would you happen to know if that surgery holds any risks of loss of sensation? 

I have heard that with meta there is a very very very slight microscopic chance of either losing sensation or possibly even losing the penis in whole.  :o  :o I'm not sure if that's just a myth tho, but I know it's a real concern with phallo.  :'(

I don't think they had any surgery. I never heard of anyone loosing your penis when you get a meta.

Quote from: Sharky on October 26, 2011, 12:59:30 AM
I don't think they had any surgery. I never heard of anyone loosing your penis when you get a meta.

Thanks man.

No? Hmm, I thought I heard that it might be a super low risk complication. Glad to hear it's not though!

Just because I have never heard of it doesn't mean it can't happen. I would assume there's a risk of anything happening.

I guess I'm alone here, but most of that made me lol. I guess it's because I'm an internet troll and almost immune to being offended online. I actually get the feeling that a good chunk of this was written by FTMs laughing at themselves. I actually fit the metrosexual look, and I will act manly while randomly doing something crazy girly for absolutely no reason xD. Or hell, I'll do it at the same time. I'll gladly talk about football while knitting. So yeah, alone with the lack of offended :'P.

Quote from: Darth_Taco on October 26, 2011, 05:56:16 AM
I guess I'm alone here, but most of that made me lol.

I thought it was funny.  Then again, I'm a total troll when I want to be, and I have a very dry sense of humor.  YouTube is one of my favorite hang out spots, because everyone knows that YouTube comments are serious business.

I do believe that satire is the ultimate form of humor.  Nothing is better than making fun of a position so ridiculous that the only reason people would believe you is because there are already people who believe something even more ridiculous.

Have you seen the "poes" on YouTube?  Man, those guys are hilarious. 

I don't feel bad because FTM's aren't a targeted group on there--everyone is. The aim is to offend as many people as possible (for the lulz) and while I think it can be offensive, that's  the kind of stuff one has to learn to deal with on the internet. I don't support taking away someone's right to say that and it's good practise for ignoring hateful speech when the real, more serious stuff comes along. I thought it was funny but I can learn to laugh at myself. I also genuinely think it was an inside job. If everyone gets upset about each trivial thing their hair will gray and it's only a tragedy to them.
There's definitely a point where I consider it to be too far, but on the internet people need to develop some sort of personal protection.

I'm not offended at all because it's.. ED. It's supposed to be insulting/offensive/etcetc. The whole site is like that and it does make me laugh.