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Dianne Feinstein Says She Expects Long Fight Against Gay Marriage Ban DOMA

By On Top Magazine Staff | Published: November 14, 2011

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Feinstein's DOMA Repeal Bill Passes Senate Judiciary Committee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plc2EiCA2gY&feature=player_embedded#)

California Senator Dianne Feinstein has said she expects a long fight to end the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

DOMA, which was approved in 1996, bars federal agencies and the military from recognizing the legal marriages of gay and lesbian couples.

On Thursday, a bill that would repeal DOMA cleared the Senate Judiciary Committee along a 10-8 party line vote. Republicans on the panel said they supported DOMA because federal recognition of the marriages of gay couples would add to the national debt.

QuoteRepublicans on the panel said they supported DOMA because federal recognition of the marriages of gay couples would add to the national debt.

This coming from the party that virtualy claims to have a direct mandate from Jesus?

I can just see them before Saint Peter "We just couldn't afford to offer equal rights to everyone. You understand right?"

Makes me livid.

Without commenting on Feinstein and her remark, I will say. It was only 7 years ago that half this nation went to the election booth simply to pull a lever and make sure that them there queers weren't screwin up their marriages by getting married themselves and voting for that catastrophe on legs.

Seven years later every reputable poll shows that the majority of Americans DO support gay marriage and by LARGE majority were happy Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed. Say that to folks in 2004 and you would have been laughed off the block.
This country is changing, at least in that one regard, for the better. Keep the Senate out of R control this next election and DOMA might be the next one to fall with a President no longer needing to play it safe and a fresh Senate.

Yeah, I don't trust the democrats as much as I trust Satan.

Gays(and LGBT) are just another vote for them. As long as they keep "fighting" we won't get crap done.

Don't make me vote Republican again, Democrats.

QuoteRepublicans on the panel said they supported DOMA because federal recognition of the marriages of gay couples would add to the national debt.

Sure, but they've got absolutely no problem with starting wars in every corner of the globe and want to occupy any secured [conquered] territory indefinitely no matter the cost. And never mind the fact that they keep giving your military more money than it asks for (allocating only a tiny bit of that money toward a meager increase veterans' friggin' pay, I might add). They've got no issues with driving the USA into the ground by building jets, tanks, and softskin vehicles the Pentagon doesn't want so they can go back to their home states and beam that they "support" the military [shovel earmarks]. But by God, they'll be damned if even one bit of revenue is lost giving the queers tax breaks through marriage contracts.

It's a serious question I ask to the Americans in the audience: HOW do these people keep getting re-elected?

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 14, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
Sure, but they've got absolutely no problem with starting wars in every corner of the globe and want to occupy any secured [conquered] territory indefinitely no matter the cost.

I know, they are like evil and stuff.

As evil as the democrats.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 14, 2011, 10:37:18 PM
I know, they are like evil and stuff.

As evil as the democrats.

Never said I thought the Democrats had brains in their skulls, either. It looks to me like all the elected officials in the USA have had lobotomies or something.

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 14, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
Never said I thought the Democrats had brains in their skulls, either. It looks to me like all the elected officials in the USA have had lobotomies or something.

I don't vote anyways. I stay home all day and take care of my daughter.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 14, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
Yeah, I don't trust the democrats as much as I trust Satan.

Gays(and LGBT) are just another vote for them. As long as they keep "fighting" we won't get crap done.

Don't make me vote Republican again, Democrats.

Just watch the weekly episodes of "The real houswives of the Republican Party"... er I mean the debates. That should cure any sentiments you might have towards a R vote next year.

Don't get me wrong, I think most of the Dems are spineless, gutless and heartless but at least to some extent they still try to maintain the facade of the opposite, the Republicans by and large are actually proud of being those things.

Sad state of affairs either way.
I won't stay home though. I won't appease the bastards with my apathy.

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 14, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
Sure, but they've got absolutely no problem with starting wars in every corner of the globe and want to occupy any secured [conquered] territory indefinitely no matter the cost. And never mind the fact that they keep giving your military more money than it asks for (allocating only a tiny bit of that money toward a meager increase veterans' friggin' pay, I might add). They've got no issues with driving the USA into the ground by building jets, tanks, and softskin vehicles the Pentagon doesn't want so they can go back to their home states and beam that they "support" the military [shovel earmarks]. But by God, they'll be damned if even one bit of revenue is lost giving the queers tax breaks through marriage contracts.

It's a serious question I ask to the Americans in the audience: HOW do these people keep getting re-elected?

So what is the cost of repealing DOMA in the eyes of Senator John Cornyn?

Cornyn on DOMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYwtrwPXSt8&feature=player_embedded#)

Heaven forbid they stop taking random jet flights, not paying for their meals, gas, cut their super high unneeded paychecks, stopping retarded spending on foreign nations problems, paying back social security that they never should have been allowed to take money from, stop borrowing money from random governments that hate us like china, tax oil companies more, put gas regulations into play, legalize weed to open a new industry with jobs 'n' kill the terrible smoking industry, pass some laws to keep jobs within the country, encourage more companies to put factories in the states, etc etc etc.

Heaven forbid they do the right thing....  Nope... I mean that would totally make the debt worse would be more civil rights for gays, lesbians, and transgendered people.  Clearly a bad call.

Quote from: SandraJane on November 15, 2011, 02:23:40 AM
So what is the cost of repealing DOMA in the eyes of Senator John Cornyn?

I did a little digging on Senator John Cornyn. He's an interesting man:

-He equated a world where homosexuals have access to marriage contracts to one where people who are attracted to box turtles do.
-He thinks that your civil liberties are entirely irrelevant, and that the government should be able to arrest you and hold you without charges forever.
-He complains that allowing homosexuals access to federal benefits from marriage contracts would be too expensive, but does not want to argue that heterosexual marriages should be invalidated to balance the books.
-He voted for American military personnel to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq, but voted against giving them more armored vehicles when they expressed a shortage.
-He voted against restricting businesses with known ties to terrorist organizations.
-He has been a Senator since 2002, and a high volume of his constituents (38%) have no opinion either way about him. That's more than 1/3 of Texas.

What are they putting in Texans' water?

Depends on what part of the State yer in "pardner", some didn't get any this year! :laugh:

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 16, 2011, 12:36:46 AM
I did a little digging on Senator John Cornyn. He's an interesting man:

-He equated a world where homosexuals have access to marriage contracts to one where people who are attracted to box turtles do.
-He thinks that your civil liberties are entirely irrelevant, and that the government should be able to arrest you and hold you without charges forever.
-He complains that allowing homosexuals access to federal benefits from marriage contracts would be too expensive, but does not want to argue that heterosexual marriages should be invalidated to balance the books.
-He voted for American military personnel to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq, but voted against giving them more armored vehicles when they expressed a shortage.
-He voted against restricting businesses with known ties to terrorist organizations.
-He has been a Senator since 2002, and a high volume of his constituents (38%) have no opinion either way about him. That's more than 1/3 of Texas.

What are they putting in Texans' water?

For the life of me I will never get Texans' political choices. How Ron Paul represents that State will always be a mystery.

Texas exists as a mirror-image example of California, both proving that government of either extreme kinda sucks.

^True that!

I would like to think that Florida has settled into a happy middle. Than again our budget has problems too. In addition our Gov. should be in the big house, not the state house.

Florida exists to make California look sane.

Naw, y'all got us beat as far as crazy goes. One word... Berkley.

No such place in California.  And Berkeley (it's a college town, so spelling counts), the campus, is pretty conservative these days - as well as historically, they are just tired of 9% tuition increases every year.  Though it does have a very strong liberal arts component it is - as it long has been - primarily a business, math and science school, that has consistently been one of the three cornerstones of the theoretical physics universe.

What got Berkeley that label as being all radical was the Free Speech Movement, that in the beginning was a simple attempt to pass out civil rights literature, but of course thinking that black people had a right to vote is probably crazy to you.

And only Florida has it's own Fark tag, because there is a constant stream of news stories out of there that can really only be summed up as 'only in Florida."

I thought I had the spelling wrong. But I stand by that place being a left-wing loon bin.

I thought it was the Hispanics, more than the blacks, who CA historically "Jim Crowed"? Part of the bundle that was Brown v. Topeka came from, I believe, Fresno.

Florida is a diverse state.

I can't believe that I am rooting for Feinstein.

The people passing out the civil rights literature were students who had just come back from Freedom Summer in Mississippi.  The were not - at least in the beginning - left-wing, though they were decidedly liberal.  (You can't blame them, the whole Kennedy/60's deal made being liberal somehow attractive.)  And, - AND, there can be little to no doubt about this - there were on the right side of history. 

And DOMA is on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of progress, the wrong side of what is right, and for sure (and for three different and equally compelling reasons, one of which was a leading cause of the Civil War for Pete's sake!) on the wrong side of the Constitution.  And it's very much opposed to the direct interests of the vast majority of people on this forum.  So I'm wondering how this became about DiFi (who's on our side, not that you can tell from some of the posts) and not about the Neanderthal, knuckle-dragging, conservatives who still oppose this.  Shouldn't we be going after them?


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You understand that Trans persons (of all stripes at that) and all sorts of different sexual persuasions and arrangements, as well as people from all over the world, Nobel Prize winners, computer multi-millionaires and stinky drum-circle wookies in all their crunchiness all live in Berkeley and no-one is getting hassled anymore than anyone else?  And precisely because it is a left-wing (and what really, really smart places aren't) loon bin it's extremely safe - or at least not anymore unsafe - for trans persons, and has been for a long time now.  Yeah, it's  tolerant to a fault, and part of that fault is the 'streetpeople' deal that almost only a few places on earth would tolerate.  But then again, for anyone who fall outside the parameters of most parts of 'normal' society, yet yearns to be 'normal' without really moving any closer to it, then pretty much Berkeley is like heaven on earth.  It's nice and warm, sitting on the western facing side of a hill, usually sunny, fairly high income except for the parts hard up against Oakland, cultural offerings so frequent and varied that you really never need to leave Berkeley, first-rate schools, and a place to go to college as well as a marina.  What more do you want?

Back to DOMA. Is the Supreme Court going to be able to package those appeals along with Prop 8? Or are we going to see multiple appeals hearings?

Wow time flies, it was almost 25 years ago that I visited the Bay Area.

No, but it could take the findings of the Prop 8 court decision as part of it's rejection of DOMA, those that outlined where Prop 8 was unconstitutional because it violated both due process as well as equal-protection.  The third part of DOMA, the most interesting in many ways, is the circumvention of the Constitutional provision that the legal actions of one state are valid in all states.

Quote from: SandraJane on November 15, 2011, 02:23:40 AM
So what is the cost of repealing DOMA in the eyes of Senator John Cornyn?

Cornyn on DOMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYwtrwPXSt8&feature=player_embedded#)

It sounds like he's in favor of putting all marriages on hold until we solve our national debt problem.

Quote from: toxicblue on November 19, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
It sounds like he's in favor of putting all marriages on hold until we solve our national debt problem.

Gonna have to help me out with that one, toxicblue. As far as I've seen Cornyn is only interested in keeping homosexual marriage contracts from becoming a reality. He made absolutely no mention of eliminating the marriage contract altogether that I noticed.

BTW, can the distinguished gentleman please enlighten me on something as my silly little female mind in male body is just too dumb to understand this.

Don't we ALL pay into social security and medicare regardless of marital status and/or sexual/gender identity? So if that in fact is the case, we ALL are entitled to collect when the time comes regardless of whether we have a same sex partner or not.

One thing that truly has not come up (and I can't wait for this logic bomb to drop) is take for example a couple that is half genetic female and half trans woman. Let's just say they are married as man and woman, but then that "man" transitions to being female.
Well from my understanding that is a pretty big grey area in most states and at the Federal level is still a valid marriage.

So here's the real humdinger. Seeing as how most folks on the right would say that that trans woman is in fact a man would they then back off on the same sex marriage and benefits witchhunt? They would practically have to admit that that "man" is ACTUALLY a woman to hold up their arguments with the current rounf of logic.

Oh the joy of seeing ignorant heads explode when confronted with their own false logic.

Jaded1, you're assuming that DOMA's defenders can understand and apply logic. They can't. The entire argument for DOMA is one gigantic mess of moral panic, straw men galore, and countless false associations. There's not a lick of logic in the entire defense of DOMA, because the law itself is illogical. I mean, come on! Cornyn tried to say:

"Passing out marriage benefits to homosexuals, who are outnumbered by heterosexuals more than 100:1, would add too much of a burden to the US deficit. Therefore we should not give them access to marriage benefits. But passing out those same benefits to heterosexuals, who again outnumber homosexuals more than 100:1 adds an insignificant financial burden and is thus acceptable practice."

Captain! Retard off the port bow!

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 26, 2011, 05:06:57 PM
Jaded1, you're assuming that DOMA's defenders can understand and apply logic. They can't. The entire argument for DOMA is one gigantic mess of moral panic, straw men galore, and countless false associations. There's not a lick of logic in the entire defense of DOMA, because the law itself is illogical. I mean, come on! Cornyn tried to say:

"Passing out marriage benefits to homosexuals, who are outnumbered by heterosexuals more than 100:1, would add too much of a burden to the US deficit. Therefore we should not give them access to marriage benefits. But passing out those same benefits to heterosexuals, who again outnumber homosexuals more than 100:1 adds an insignificant financial burden and is thus acceptable practice."

Captain! Retard off the port bow!

Don't get me wrong, I assume nothing. My post was intended to highlight the lack of logic not the search thereof.

You may be seeing retards off the port bow - they are however the side currently winning there oh enlightened one.  Perhaps underestimating their opponents is the first way stupid people lose.

Quote from: tekla on November 26, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
You may be seeing retards off the port bow - they are however the side currently winning there oh enlightened one.  Perhaps underestimating their opponents is the first way stupid people lose.

I do agree that they should not be underestimated, but I don't agree that they are winning. DOMA will fall and in short order. DADT went and most polls show that the majority of the country either supports or doesn't give a hoot about gay marriage. If the dems don't screw everything up (something I always count on them to be champions at) then there will be a shot at repeal in TwObama.

Quote from: tekla on November 26, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
You may be seeing retards off the port bow - they are however the side currently winning there oh enlightened one.  Perhaps underestimating their opponents is the first way stupid people lose.

I wouldn't say they're winning. From all accounts I've heard DOMA is a ship full of holes, and its defense is becoming progressively more difficult to justify. Its proponents are losing ground, not gaining it or holding it. Public opinion is turning against them, and that's really the only strength their side ever had. Why else would they be so desperate as to release that crazy thunderstorm ad when lots of states started ratifying gay marriage? They're scared.