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Title: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 09:40:22 PM


Kia Ora,

::) How many members are NOT here for personal support ?

::) What I mean by this is, are you living a normal post transition life [with or without surgery] where you've slotted into society as your affirmed gender and no longer still struggling with dysphoria of any kind, and the reason you come to the forum is out of interest[to stay in touch with the community] and or to offer support to others who are just starting out or are part way through their journey and have struck obstacles[similar to what you had struck] along the way....   

Now that you're your true self is your life somewhat mundane/normal ? Or are you still struggling with the remnants of past dysphoria ?

I'm under the impression for some trans-people dysphoria is and will always be a part of their lives[an unshakable shadow so to speak], not necessarily a major part, but it has the habit of flaring up every now and again...

::) I guess in a nutshell what I'm trying to gather is how many members on transitioning had also left their dysphoria in the past along with their former male/female identities ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on November 16, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
I'm just here for fun and possibly the snacks.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Devlyn on November 16, 2011, 09:55:46 PM
I come for acceptance, friendship, and fun. Oh, and all the smileys in your posts! Hugs, Tracey
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Harlot on November 16, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
I'm just here for fun and possibly the snacks.

Kia Ora Elle,

::) Cyber snacks...Are they tasty or tasteless ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on November 16, 2011, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Zenda on November 16, 2011, 09:56:38 PM
Kia Ora Elle,

::) Cyber snacks...Are they tasty or tasteless ?

Metta Zenda :)

It was a figure of speech.

Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 09:59:00 PM



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Quote from: Tracey on November 16, 2011, 09:55:46 PM
I come for acceptance, friendship, and fun. Oh, and all the smileys in your posts! Hugs, Tracey

Kia Ora Tracey,

::) :):):):):):):) just for you  :icon_hug:

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Harlot on November 16, 2011, 09:58:23 PM
It was a figure of speech.
Kia Ora Elle,

::) Cyber speech ?  ;) 

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 16, 2011, 10:27:11 PM
I was told there was going to be a drawing with fabulous prizes.  Was that just another lie?
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: fionabell on November 16, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
I'm here for support!! ;D
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: fionabell on November 16, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
I'm here for support!! ;D
Kia Ora Fiona,

::) It's good that you're here for support, Susan's place generally provides good support, however I'm interested in finding out about those members who are not here out of 'need'...

Just out of interest what are the local support sites like in the land of OZ ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 16, 2011, 10:27:11 PM
I was told there was going to be a drawing with fabulous prizes.  Was that just another lie?

Kia Ora Tekla,

::) Gullible to the last drop...hook, line and sinker  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on November 16, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
Quote from: Zenda on November 16, 2011, 11:17:51 PM
Kia Ora Fiona,

::) It's good that you're here for support, Susan's place generally provides good support, however I'm interested in finding out about those members who are not here out of 'need'...

I told you I just come here for fun. Hardly a "need".

Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 11:40:53 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Harlot on November 16, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
I told you I just come here for fun. Hardly a "need".

Kia Ora Elle,

::) So you don't 'need' fun?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: AbraCadabra on November 16, 2011, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Harlot on November 16, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
I'm just here for fun and possibly the snacks.

Yep, pretty much the same here - yet still working on the 7" vj depth item.
Though this needs different 'support' to achieve, I do realise that, he he.

Axelle
PS: sorry for +1 (karma) misspelling, line is too short, um
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Silver on November 16, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
I'm more or less adjusted so I don't really come here to get support lately. On T, have legal name and gender changed so it's no longer much of an issue.

But I don't want to leave because even though I'm not very close to you all, I like a lot of you. XD It's a really nice community on the whole in my opinion.

I'd offer more help but I really don't know what I should be doing.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Joeyboo~ :3 on November 16, 2011, 11:52:34 PM
I dumped Facebook for this site.

I'm here so I won't feel alone.

Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 16, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
Quote from: Silver on November 16, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
I'm more or less adjusted so I don't really come here to get support lately. On T, have legal name and gender changed so it's no longer much of an issue.

But I don't want to leave because even though I'm not very close to you all, I like a lot of you. XD It's a really nice community on the whole in my opinion.

I'd offer more help but I really don't know what I should be doing.

Kia Ora Silver,

::) I'm glad that you have finally found peace....

::) Sometimes just a few words drawn from experience can greatly help others, no doubt you have in some way helped others just look at the amount of +s you have collected...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 17, 2011, 12:13:35 AM
What?  There is no drawing?  No prizes?  Damn this is worse then when they made me the chief economic adviser and told me there would be no math. 

I'm interested in reading other people's stories, as most historians are.  Hell, I spend years and years - and still do as I can find them - reading diaries and letters.  It's like a window to the soul.  And, as any historian knows, reality is much stranger than fiction can ever be.  I can share some of what I know with those that trying to find the way, and I like sharing.  And I can learn - or at least relate - to what is happening in other places with other people.  It's the hard part of living in the SF Bay Area - as time goes on, you forget the rest of the world isn't like this.  And it's good to remind myself of that.

It's part of my life, only part, but a critical part, so it feeds that.  That is a need to a degree.

Besides if you have a bunch of people showing up for support don't you think there should be some people there, who are there to give support.  And that's a need to.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: VeryGnawty on November 17, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
I originally came for support.  I stayed because someone promised me cake.

I am still waiting for my cake.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 17, 2011, 12:50:12 AM
Hey Gnawty, just like the prizes, the cake is a lie.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: VeryGnawty on November 17, 2011, 01:40:57 AM
Quote from: tekla on November 17, 2011, 12:50:12 AM
Hey Gnawty, just like the prizes, the cake is a lie.

But I like free food, especially when it's free.  I should at least get a cookie for hanging around and lurking so much.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 17, 2011, 01:42:43 AM
You hippies are all alike: "Free Huey, Free Bobby, Free Lunch!"
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: LordKAT on November 17, 2011, 01:45:23 AM
Prizes have been awarded. All prizes are bits of wisdom from Tekla.  (No wonder you didn't get a prize.)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Silver on November 17, 2011, 01:54:40 AM
Quote from: Zenda on November 16, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
Kia Ora Silver,

::) I'm glad that you have finally found peace....

::) Sometimes just a few words drawn from experience can greatly help others, no doubt you have in some way helped others just look at the amount of +s you have collected...

Metta Zenda :)

Ahaha, thanks. I will stick around and see what I can do.

And really, those +s are from my postcount. I was autoawarded points for having a ridiculous postcount when the site made the switch but I hardly have much to say.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 17, 2011, 12:31:16 PM
Kia Ora Folks,

::) I'm guessing it's quite possible some here are just too proud to admit they need help/support...But I could be wrong....One good thing about the net is you can for the most part be anonymous in that one can read different posts/threads that provides them with an insight[possible solution] to the problems they are facing without having to be up front- And there's nothing wrong with that...support is support no matter how it comes about ......
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Silver, it looks like you have posted quite a few times, so I'm sure at least some of your posts have in some way helped others-that is you have created food for thought....

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: apple pie on November 17, 2011, 01:08:08 PM
Zenda

I don't know for sure why I'm here. Which kind of explains why I often am not here since I joined :P

I suppose I am curious what other trans people are like?

I don't think I have got rid of the dysphoria fully completely (and that little bit, I feel, will probably always be there), and I do need support (though not a lot these days), but I prefer to draw support from my close friends that I've known for a while.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Tippe on November 17, 2011, 01:49:53 PM
I find greater freedom living openly transgendered than I do cloaking. Together with my clinical instructors I decided to be open about history towards my coworkers and to stealth in my female identity towards my patients in order not take away focus from *their* situation. This works well and I feel pretty comfortable about being who I am.

I stay here, because I feel community and connection with other transgender people and because many of the threads are really interesting.


Best wishes,
Tippe
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: umop ap!sdn on November 17, 2011, 01:56:58 PM
I come here to hear about others' experiences and to share my own. It's good to stay in touch with the community, even while not being open about my past. Can't say that the dysphoria is completely gone as I have many physical attributes that I wish were different, but they say that's all part of womanhood anyway. :P
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Chloe on November 17, 2011, 02:30:27 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 16, 2011, 10:27:11 PM
I was told there was going to be a drawing with fabulous prizes.  Was that just another lie?
telka! They told us that 5 years ago! U still waiting for the drawing too!

The "prize" better be "the works" 'cause it's one hell of a wardrobe i'll collected with nowhere else to go!

lol Cheers
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Nathan. on November 17, 2011, 02:53:20 PM
I don't really come here for support anymore, I very rarely experience dysphoria these days, my name is legally Nathan, i'm over a year on testosterone, almost 6 months post top surgery, hysto should be coming up and i've been living as male for over 2 years now, so I can apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate. I'm pretty much done with transition now.

I come here as it's a place I feel comfortable in, I don't know any trans people apart from on the internet, so it's nice to have a place where i'm understood and accepted.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Amazon D on November 17, 2011, 04:45:53 PM
i WAS FORCED TO COME HERE.. i don't know how to get out of here now.. Yes i am stuck here.. please help me.. thank you zenda for asking.. how many others were forced to come here ?? maybe we can create a group and take over Tekla and her cronies and break out.. Who is with me ???
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Kristyn74 on November 17, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
I'm here to search my possibilities. I stumbled across this site whilst internet dating...looking for a susan ;D

Now I'm reading up and doing some homework.Others can show how things are done,make the mistakes to an extent.Its bringing me out of my shell.
I've been reading for months.Now I'm venturing.
Maybe I'll need some support of sorts down the track,til then "we"can get to familiar ourselves.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: annette on November 17, 2011, 06:35:53 PM
As an old broad I came here to give support.
I have made friends here (enemies too, I guess)
I was glad to support people in the beginning of their journey, I remember how hard it can be once in a while.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Jen61 on November 17, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
somebody has to keep an eye on the 99%

Jen61
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on November 17, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
I got my questions answered, only reason I came here to begin with.

Now finding my way to the EXIT
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Shana A on November 17, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 17, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
Now finding my way to the EXIT

Sorry, once you've entered you cannot leave!  >:-)

Z
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 17, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: Amazon D on November 17, 2011, 04:45:53 PM
i WAS FORCED TO COME HERE.. i don't know how to get out of here now.. Yes i am stuck here.. please help me.. thank you zenda for asking.. how many others were forced to come here ?? maybe we can create a group and take over Tekla and her cronies and break out.. Who is with me ???
Kia Ora Amazon,

::) Court order was it ?  ;) ;D

  :icon_suspicious: Careful Amazon Tekla's got spies everywhere-the walls have ears.... ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 17, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 17, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
I got my questions answered, only reason I came here to begin with.

Now finding my way to the EXIT
Kia Ora Elle,

::) Leaving so soon....Good luck on your journey, I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for...

Remember: Don't take life too seriously-just go with the flow and enjoy it !

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Felix on November 17, 2011, 10:44:47 PM
I came here so that I could say 'vagina' and 'penis' over and over.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 17, 2011, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Felix on November 17, 2011, 10:44:47 PM
I came here so that I could say 'vagina' and 'penis' over and over.
Kia Ora Felix,

::) Like Tekla and VeryGnawty, I thought you were only here for the cake, cookies and prizes.... ;)

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Felix on November 17, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
Vagina cake and penis prizes.

And cookies. I only mentioned two giggly body parts, so I guess I'll eat the cookies. OMNOMNOM. Thank you.  :D
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on November 17, 2011, 11:34:37 PM
Quote from: Felix on November 17, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
Vagina cake and penis prizes.

And cookies. I only mentioned two giggly body parts, so I guess I'll eat the cookies. OMNOMNOM. Thank you.  :D

The holidays are coming up.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: umop ap!sdn on November 18, 2011, 01:10:26 AM
Quote from: Felix on November 17, 2011, 11:33:02 PMVagina cake and penis prizes.
I'll stand in line for those! :D
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: VeryGnawty on November 18, 2011, 03:57:11 AM
Are there any ebil cookies?  I really like the ebil cookies the best.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
Kia Ora,

::) So am I to take it, the cake, cookies, vagina, and penis, people are not here for any personal support ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: annette on November 17, 2011, 06:35:53 PM
As an old broad I came here to give support.
I have made friends here (enemies too, I guess)
I was glad to support people in the beginning of their journey, I remember how hard it can be once in a while.

Kia Ora Annette,

::) I take it you transitioned quite a while back...Were you part of any online support group or a real world support group when you transitioned ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Felix on November 18, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: Zenda on November 18, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
Kia Ora,

::) So am I to take it, the cake, cookies, vagina, and penis, people are not here for any personal support ?

Metta Zenda :)

Nope. Just cake and cookies and vagina and penis. And prizes.

We're all ascended masters and do not need support. We have attained perfection. We float. Some of us deign to share our wisdom occasionally.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
It seems a rather limited notion of support that confines it to being a needy person, emotional basket-case without any other outlet or friends to listen, who just needs to 'get it all out' someplace before they explode and then need a roomfull of people to sit around, nod approvingly and say "Oh, it's just terrible to be you."

How come support can't be an evening out tripping the light fantastic.  Isn't most real-life support just a matter of being there? 
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Felix on November 18, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Nope. Just cake and cookies and vagina and penis. And prizes.

We're all ascended masters and do not need support. We have attained perfection. We float. Some of us deign to share our wisdom occasionally.

Kia Ora Felix,

::) I realise it's humour on your part[which I most appreciate-laughter is the best medicine]....

::) But on a more serious note[yes I can put my serious hat on at times-but it don't stay on for long though  ;)] there are those of us who have been there and done that, have got the "T" shirt to prove it and are now living comfortably in the cisgender world...

::) In a sense it's showing others it can be done, we can lead 'normal' lives and yes we have 'suffered' just like some of you are suffering now-but the most important thing to remember is NOTHING IS PERMANENT ! not even one's suffering ...I'm trying to find out how many members here fall into this category...

::) I should also point out there's nothing elitist about someone coming to Susan's but not needing any support...And there's nothing wrong with those who do need the support that Susan's offers...No doubt some members have been brought back from the brink of suicide thanks to support sites like these...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
It seems a rather limited notion of support that confines it to being a needy person, emotional basket-case without any other outlet or friends to listen, who just needs to 'get it all out' someplace before they explode and then need a roomfull of people to sit around, nod approvingly and say "Oh, it's just terrible to be you."

How come support can't be an evening out tripping the light fantastic.  Isn't most real-life support just a matter of being there?
Kia Ora Tekla,

::) Interesting take on things as usual...but jumping the gun a bit don't you think....

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Jen61 on November 18, 2011, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
  Isn't most real-life support just a matter of being there?

No, unless the individual in question has lost his/her soul

Jen61
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 01:43:09 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Just for the record[before people start reading too much into it] there are all different kinds of support that  sites like these provide...One might just 'need' info on therapists, doctors, surgeons, etc, some might 'need' make up tips and the likes, others emotional support...So please don't think I'm calling those who need support 'weak and needy'.  "emotional basket-case" "Oh, it's just terrible to be you."  ......

::) Just thought I would add this before the 'flamethrowers' came out...Thanks but no thanks...It's coming onto summer here and I don't need any additional flame throwing to keep me warm  ;)

Metta Zenda :) 
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2011, 01:45:01 PM
I totally believe that the greatest function of 'support' groups - the single thing they do that is more important than all the rest of what they do combined - is to inform people that they are not alone.  They are not 'the only one'.  That knowledge alone is life-saving, and life changing.

For that to happen it's necessary to have other people there so that the new person is not walking into an empty room.

After that point most of the rest is just information and advice and - best of all - just that casual interaction that makes you part of what's going on.  While the song title game might not seem like support, the fact that there are others like you, who enjoy similar things that are not 'site-specific' (i.e. anything on this board that is not directly and substantially trans-related, like 'the song title game' or what books are you reading, or music posts, etc. etc. etc.) expands your thinking from 'these are trans persons too' to 'these are people who just happen to also be trans.'  That's pretty liberating stuff.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2011, 01:45:01 PM
I totally believe that the greatest function of 'support' groups - the single thing they do that is more important than all the rest of what they do combined - is to inform people that they are not alone. That's what support means  They are not 'the only one'. That's what support means  That knowledge alone is life-saving, and life changing. True

For that to happen it's necessary to have other people there so that the new person is not walking into an empty room. A no brainer

After that point most of the rest is just information and advice and - best of all - just that casual interaction that makes you part of what's going on. Another truth  While the song title game might not seem like support, the fact that there are others like you, who enjoy similar things that are not 'site-specific' (i.e. anything on this board that is not directly and substantially trans-related, like 'the song title game' or what books are you reading, or music posts, etc. etc. etc.) expands your thinking from 'these are trans persons too' to 'these are people who just happen to also be trans.' Another obvious truth That's pretty liberating stuff. I couldn't agree more...
Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Tippe on November 18, 2011, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: Zenda on November 18, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
there are those of us who have been there and done that, have got the "T" shirt to prove it and are now living comfortably in the cisgender world...

::) In a sense it's showing others it can be done, we can lead 'normal' lives and yes we have 'suffered' just like some of you are suffering now-but the most important thing to remember is NOTHING IS PERMANENT ! not even one's suffering ...I'm trying to find out how many members here fall into this category...

Metta Zenda :)

I find it a pitty that so many wonderful, exceptional and unique people aim to be only normal. Going through what you did takes such strong persons, you all have much to offer in inspiration. My dream is for a world, where everyone can be free and able to live authentic lives as just who they are. A world, where cis-acting and straight-acting are no longer necessary. A world, which appreciates diversity. In my experience, we are the ones able to create such a space for ourselves.

I also think that offering and giving support are two sides of the same coin. Two weeks ago I founded a support group and I was so happy to see how people who had never ever met another transgender person were touched and received strength by meeting others in similar situations. Providing help can be very rewarding.


Best wishes,
Tippe
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Tippe on November 18, 2011, 02:14:53 PM
I find it a pitty that so many wonderful, exceptional and unique people aim to be only normal. Going through what you did takes such strong persons, you all have much to offer in inspiration. My dream is for a world, where everyone can be free and able to live authentic lives as just who they are. A world, where cis-acting and straight-acting are no longer necessary. A world, which appreciates diversity. In my experience, we are the ones able to create such a space for ourselves.

I also think that offering and giving support are two sides of the same coin. Two weeks ago I founded a support group and I was so happy to see how people who had never ever met another transgender person were touched and received strength by meeting others in similar situations. Providing help can be very rewarding.


Best wishes,
Tippe
Kia Ora Tippe,

::) For some of us the whole reason for 'transition' is so we can slot 'into' main stream society as our psycho-sexual 'affirmed' gender identities and not be seen as 'something' else, hence the 'normal' I'm referring to...

::) However it's a sad fact that not every one of us will be able to do this, so I understand the need for a more tolerant society where all gender diverse people are accepted, but with  this also comes a division, a separate identity male, female and 'trans'...

::) I should point out, I'm open to diversity, if a male bodied person with a full beard whose behaviour is male wants to wear a dress and be called Sue,[or the opposite for a female bodied person] I'm comfortable with this, even though they may not quite fit the norm-it's their life and I want others to find happiness and contentment in life...

::) What you speak of is ideal and no doubt some parts of the world this is already starting to happen in some small way...But I feel it will take many years for it to become the 'norm' world wide...But as Lao Tzi once supposedly said "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step !" [Not that in ancient China they used miles for measuring long distances  ;) ]  ;D Perhaps he actually said "A thousand "strides"

Metta Zenda :)   
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Felix on November 18, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: Zenda on November 18, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
Kia Ora Felix,

::) I realise it's humour on your part[which I most appreciate-laughter is the best medicine]....

::) But on a more serious note[yes I can put my serious hat on at times-but it don't stay on for long though  ;)] there are those of us who have been there and done that, have got the "T" shirt to prove it and are now living comfortably in the cisgender world...

::) In a sense it's showing others it can be done, we can lead 'normal' lives and yes we have 'suffered' just like some of you are suffering now-but the most important thing to remember is NOTHING IS PERMANENT ! not even one's suffering ...I'm trying to find out how many members here fall into this category...

::) I should also point out there's nothing elitist about someone coming to Susan's but not needing any support...And there's nothing wrong with those who do need the support that Susan's offers...No doubt some members have been brought back from the brink of suicide thanks to support sites like these...

Metta Zenda :)

I know. :) I just don't have an answer to your original question.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Felix on November 18, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
I know. :) I just don't have an answer to your original question.

Kia Ora Felix,

::) Humour's good...A genuine smile upon ones face=a happy mind[for most people that is-just in case Tekla begs to differ]

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: MarinaM on November 18, 2011, 04:22:41 PM
I'm here because I'm an intelligent high maintenance train wreck, off the track in search of some definitive sidelong glimpse into infinity.

I'm here for the lonely, the lost, the struggling, the confused. I'm here for certain people and I hope they notice I'm here for them too.

Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: rosetyler on November 18, 2011, 08:03:32 PM
I'm here to educate myself and help where I can.  (I'm not trans*.)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 18, 2011, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: rosetyler on November 18, 2011, 08:03:32 PM
I'm here to educate myself and help where I can.  (I'm not trans*.)
Kia Ora Rose,

::) It's nice to see that you're here to help where you can...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Amazon D on November 19, 2011, 05:16:12 AM
I don't need personal support ( jock strap  :o  ) since i got rid of that thang 14 yrs ago  ;)
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Michelle. on November 20, 2011, 01:30:21 AM
^OMGROFLMFAO and just spit all over my iPad.

It is better to support, than be supported.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 20, 2011, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: Michelle. on November 20, 2011, 01:30:21 AM


It is better to support, than be supported.
Kia Ora Michelle,

::) Very true...At times when one supports others one is also supporting oneself- it can be very therapeutic...

Metta Zenda :) 
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: cynthialee on November 20, 2011, 10:08:33 PM
Been thinking on this thread since it posted...

Mainly I come here to keep an eye out for those girls (and rare guy) who I conect with and cheer them on.

When I first came here I was a mess. I needed support and got it in spades.
Occasionally I still need support myself.

There are a few people here I consider friends so I come for that.

I am not finished my transition. As long as I have this thing between my legs I can not be finished. I am still marked with the indelible mark of maleness. That hurts, sometimes enough to require some emotional support.
{But I try to keep in mind that I have transitioned further than I could have 100 years ago or more. HRT, BA were not available back then. Castration also, although it has always been available it has been probably the BEST thing I did for my transition.}

Anyways...

Yes I come for personal suport and I also come here to offer what support I can.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: annette on November 21, 2011, 05:27:47 AM
Quote from: Zenda on November 18, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
Kia Ora Annette,

::) I take it you transitioned quite a while back...Were you part of any online support group or a real world support group when you transitioned ?

Metta Zenda :)
No sweetie, in that time there was no internet, we are talking about 34 years ago, the only one you could rely on was yourself.
I lost everything, marriage, job, family and friends, and had to start from the scratch again, but it wasn't too bad, it makes one strong.
In that time it was not possible to change name and gender in a legal way.
There were only a few persons I met at the hospital who are there for the same reason as I, so sometimes it was a bit lonely but one way or another I was building on a new life again.

And....to be honest, it's a very good life, family came back after srs, new friends, new job, new marriage.
I don't complain.

Hugs
Annette

Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Anatta on November 21, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: annette on November 21, 2011, 05:27:47 AM
No sweetie, in that time there was no internet, we are talking about 34 years ago, the only one you could rely on was yourself.
I lost everything, marriage, job, family and friends, and had to start from the scratch again, but it wasn't too bad, it makes one strong.
In that time it was not possible to change name and gender in a legal way.
There were only a few persons I met at the hospital who are there for the same reason as I, so sometimes it was a bit lonely but one way or another I was building on a new life again.

And....to be honest, it's a very good life, family came back after srs, new friends, new job, new marriage.
I don't complain.

Hugs
Annette

Kia Ora Annette,

::) Spoken like a true survivor, I'm glad to hear things worked out for you in the end...

::) On a personal note I lost my marriage but not my family and friends[well apart from one who didn't respond to my coming out letter-but he's friendship is no great lose]...

::) I attended a 'real life' support group a couple of times to find out about local trans-friendly mental health and medical professionals[At the time of my transition even though it was there, I didn't have access to the internet 1997/8] ...The info I got from the group helped heaps as I was at a lose as to how to go about transitioning...

Metta Zenda :) 
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: Aintza on November 21, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
I am here for support. There is little information in Spanish about trans people and my bf , who is FtM, doesn´t understand a word in English; I am helping him to surf in this forum, and we have found a lot of experiences of people like us. It has been a relief for us.

Also, I am trying to share a part of our relationship in case it could help other people.
Title: Re: How many members are 'NOT' here for personal support ?
Post by: annette on November 21, 2011, 06:14:53 PM
 ::) I attended a 'real life' support group a couple of times to find out about local trans-friendly mental health and medical professionals[At the time of my transition even though it was there, I didn't have access to the internet 1997/8] ...The info I got from the group helped heaps as I was at a lose as to how to go about transitioning...

Hi Zenda

It's not bad to get the information you need, some people are further in transition and you can take advantage of their knowledge.
In my time it just wasn't there but that didn't matter, I knew what direction I wanted to go and I was determinated to do so.
I knew I was a girl from young age, the only thing was that there was something wrong with my body.
During childhood I was oppressed for my feelings, once I was a grown up it was  time to let her free.
I didn't even know it was possible in my country but I knew it was possible in England so, if nessecairy I would go to England.
It was a pleasant surprise that everything was also available in Amsterdam, I asked my general practicioner for it, he didn't knew it either but he had colleagues to ask.
Since transition was behind my back, my life is just a big party, so much fun.
I don't have problems, with work, friends or relatives and I still enjoy every day of the life I have now.
So. I'm in the position to give support.

Hugs
Annette