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We(humanity) never landed on the moon.

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and earth is flat

I (me) never landed on the moon. Retort

What are you talking about? I landed on the moon... however I had to come back because I was sad to be surrounded by all that cheese and not a single cracker. :(

Try telling Elton John...He's the rocketman  ;D...or david bowie aka ziggy stardust...

Quote from: Jen61 on November 23, 2011, 07:00:05 PM
and earth is flat

I fell off the edge once and got a booboo on my elbow...  :(

Quote from: Tracey on November 23, 2011, 07:10:13 PM
I (me) never landed on the moon. Retort

I just full mooned the waxing gibbius moon. Top that.

@ Mango, the only way to top that is with......CHEESE!!!

The Mighty Boosh - Cheese is a kind of meat... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQJQs6zRw1Q&feature=related#)

Sorry but America fooled the world back in 1969.    Those Nasa, and White House cold warriors cruelly and in an extremely cynical manner defrauded the world.  Their purpose was to establish America's  world hegemony.   The whole thing is slowly but surely unravelling, and the terrible truth will be revealed.

I wonder how the world will react to this?   Will Europe and the English speaking countries turn their backs on America?   How will the American man or women in the street cope with the huge psychological fall-out from this?   Perhaps the reason why people won't look at the astonishing and compelling evidence fear that they might go mad if they do.   It is extremely sobering to put it mildly!    I remember being absolutely chilled when I discovered the facts about those Apollo missions and I am an anarchist.   I thought that I could no longer be shocked by the actions of governments, I was wrong.    You have to face up to it though, terrible as it undoubtedly is, because people need to wake up and see governments for the mercenary predatory 'gangster' corporations that they are.   The Federal government has sold you, your children, your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren into debt slavery, and yet you go on supporting these people?   Americans will be shocked to the core when they realise the extent of the mendacity perpetrated by the Military-industrial complex, who were determined at all costs to beat the Soviets into space and claim leadership of the world.  A leadership that still exists to this day.

You know I can understand it if you don't what to know anything about this.   It really is chilling even though it happened 40+ years ago.     I only posted this because I was challenged at YouTube to support my  claims and of course at YouTube you are restricted in the number of words allowed in comments.

For those of you who are interested I can give you information on a couple of very interesting and immaculately researched books if you PM me.  Though you will have to wait until tomorrow for a reply as it is late here.

*backs away slowly*

Of course, the fact that you can bounce an appropriate strength laser off mirrors left on the moon by the Apollo missions means absolutely nothing.. Nor does the fact the technology to do it existed at the time..

I've also flown several Apollo missions in a technically accurate sim.. If I can do that now on a moderately spec'ed PC, of course it was impossible for them to do with the real thing back then, right?

Of course, does any one really believe that a conspiracy like that could be maintained for as long as it apparently has?

Quote from: Felix on November 23, 2011, 09:35:34 PM
*backs away slowly*

Yes it is scary Felix.   I keep forgetting that not everyone is a 'Truth at all costs' crusader and an anarchist activist.   

houston, we have a problem, test, test

Next, they are going to come and tell me that Admiral Kirk does not exists

Quote from: Jen61 on November 23, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
Next, they are going to come and tell me that Admiral Kirk does not exists

WHAT?!

You're right. the moon landing didn't happen. Nor is Transsexualism a real condition. And there was a crashed alien weather balloon at Roswell NM.

They went to the moon. Myth Busters proved that it couldn't be faked with the level of technology they had back then. You know what they found? No one has dusted it since it formed. Why haven't we gone back? Because no one wants to be the one to do the cleaning. Just ask the Autobots.

:P

you are however correct in one thing I believe, but I could be wrong.
No transsexual has ever been to the moon. If they had, that's probably the cover-up. :D

This 'conspiracy' theory has been de-bunked so often I'm amazed it can be looked at again.

 

Quote from: Cindy James on November 24, 2011, 03:07:54 AM
This 'conspiracy' theory has been de-bunked so often I'm amazed it can be looked at again.

Not to mention that there were Australians involved, and we are well known for not being able to keep that kind of secret..  :D

Quote from: Jen61 on November 23, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
Next, they are going to come and tell me that Admiral Kirk does not exists

Quote from: Beth Andrea on November 23, 2011, 10:07:18 PM
WHAT?!

It's ok, he does exist... he was just demoted back to Captain. Admiral Kirk doesn't exist, but Captain Kirk is alive and well and hosts some t.v. show on the Discovery channel or something.

We've been bamboozled into believing this is real. Of course there is no possibility of there being any truth to this matter. The sad facts are everyone here has been licking up this information as fact. Here's the truth: We all believed Happy Girl was starting a fun thread, one we all wanted to participate in. Sadly, it has turned into another "Doesn't America Suck" thread, and it's just as much of a stinker as the 157 anti-America threads that she started before this one. 

I have no idea what you all are talking about I've been mooning since I was a kid it's a matter of just turning around and dropping trow. :p

I'm not sure which would really be more cleaver, actually going to the moon, or getting away with faking it.  Both have their charms. 

But it's an interesting theory that it's based on, that you could fabricate the whole thing and the vast majority of people would believe what they are seeing and being told because they have become conditioned to do just that.  We have plenty of examples of how people can't separate out the fake from TV from the real of reality - indeed most of the people reading this will have had a huge number of events put into their heads that they know from TV only, and the people think they know real things.

Quote from: Amy85 on November 24, 2011, 03:37:40 AM
It's ok, he does exist... he was just demoted back to Captain. Admiral Kirk doesn't exist, but Captain Kirk is alive and well and hosts some t.v. show on the Discovery channel or something.

Demoted to Captain ! Oh no ! you evil girl, you ruin my thanksgiving, now I am going to get indegestion

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 23, 2011, 09:19:21 PM
Sorry but America fooled the world back in 1969.    Those Nasa, and White House cold warriors cruelly and in an extremely cynical manner defrauded the world.  Their purpose was to establish America's  world hegemony.   The whole thing is slowly but surely unravelling, and the terrible truth will be revealed.

I wonder how the world will react to this?   Will Europe and the English speaking countries turn their backs on America?   How will the American man or women in the street cope with the huge psychological fall-out from this?   Perhaps the reason why people won't look at the astonishing and compelling evidence fear that they might go mad if they do.   It is extremely sobering to put it mildly!    I remember being absolutely chilled when I discovered the facts about those Apollo missions and I am an anarchist.   I thought that I could no longer be shocked by the actions of governments, I was wrong.    You have to face up to it though, terrible as it undoubtedly is, because people need to wake up and see governments for the mercenary predatory 'gangster' corporations that they are.   The Federal government has sold you, your children, your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren into debt slavery, and yet you go on supporting these people?   Americans will be shocked to the core when they realise the extent of the mendacity perpetrated by the Military-industrial complex, who were determined at all costs to beat the Soviets into space and claim leadership of the world.  A leadership that still exists to this day.

wow.....that's all I have to say. Just wow.

Are you just pulling our legs or are you serious? I know about all the conspiracy stuff....read enough about them and have quite a bit in our humor section at our Book Store...but I never thought anyone actually took conspiracy stuff seriously. Anarchist or not.

Do you believe the American Government smack a few missiles into the Trade Towers on 9/11 too?

Conspiracy Theorist = People who get a thrill over the absurd.

Quote from: Jen61 on November 23, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
Next, they are going to come and tell me that Admiral Kirk does not exists

Admiral Kirk doesn't exist. However, Captain Kirk does. He was demoted after bringing two humpbacks back from the 1980s to save Earth from a giant probe of unknown origin. But Captain Kirk does exist....he used my bathroom last week.

also Jamie and Adam interview about moon landing conspiracy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhuX-UaQiS4#)

also, the most famous Government cover up documentation "director"
He's a cab driver who has a tendency of jumping on other people's car hoods:

Moon Dehoax: The REAL Bart Sibrel. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=4UPFGycDnOg#)

Quote from: Annah on November 24, 2011, 09:46:42 AM

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Conspiracy Theorist = People who get a thrill over the absurd.

I sometimes wonder if (let's assume for a moment that there is a "shadow-type gov't)...if there was such a thing, wouldn't "they" create a multitude of "conspiracies" (some outrageous, some close to--but not quite--the real thing) in order to discredit "all" conspiracists?

If 95% of conspiracy theories are wacko, most people (imho) would just assume that the other 5% are wacko too...even though those 5% may be onto something. No one has the time to check out every C theory that comes along...so we'd kind of "speed read", but as soon as the word "conspiracy" came along, our brain would shut down.

Same kind of thing happened in the '50s after the "red scare"--the word "communist" and "communism" became a Bad Word to say, or accuse...which meant the communists (and yes, there were some around back then, and still are today) got a public image "cloaking device." They could do things, but no one would dare to mention them as communistic.

Just a thought.

true. But here's my take on this:

If Bill and Monica can get caught that she went down on him in the Oval Office when the Federal Government was closed then I find it hard to believe that we can keep such shadow conspiracy secrets a "secret."

Some of the conspiracy theories out there are so over the top that the ones who push it ..you kinda feel bad for them. At least I get the impression over half of them suffer from Paranoia Schizophrenia. Because there are many times I cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theorist and a person suffering from Paranoia Schizophrenia when they start expressing their beliefs. They even say the same thing at time "the government is poisoning us with chemicals from Jet Fumes, The Government has put little transistors in our heads, The is a big hole in the center of the earth where Men in Black live with their Black Vehicles who curb the tide of Alien Information, Aluminum foil can stop government brainwave suggestions from entering out head."  One of the things I mentioned was told to me by a Schizophrenic. The other three were from conspiracy theorists. Hard to tell the difference between the two.

True, and that's the thing about "invented" conspiracies...there will always be people who believe them...whether it's because their meds are off a bit, or they have some psychological need to believe that there is something Out There to take their mind of their "little" (albeit "normal") lives.

And if there is a "shadow gov't", the Prez would just be a fall guy...like Bill with Monica. He could be exposed (literally and publicly), but the "shadow gov't" would not be affected.

Here's your proof: Moon Pies. You think those things come from Toledo?

For some reason, I suspect that the Threadstarter spends lots of time 24/7 on the Above Top Secret-board, where it is considered wellknown "facts" that The Government are Illuminati-driven by Fallen angels from outer space and that Space-lizards disguised as Humans dressed up in fine Suits and dresses are running around in Buckingham Palace and awaits the "Great Harvest", when their Draconian relatives from Planet Nibiru returns 2012 to re-erects the long awaited Golden Age anew. And- I almost forgot- that Obama is actually a genetically engineered hybrid; part clone of Akhenaton and part Alien, as he is the Anti-Christ.

And what concerns the "faked" moonlanding, the idea is far from something new and hardly "shocking news" for the public.
Most people have already heard it before but just rolls their eyes like this;  ::)

Plus, the Scientists Vince Calder and Andrew Johnson from the Argonne National Laboratory, have already shot down each and every one of the hoax-claims. Sorry.  ::)



That being said, I actually believe in alot of stuff, but that doesn't mean I take each and every wild claim as a confirmed fact there isn't any good reason to believe in it.

Quote from: Tracey on November 23, 2011, 09:01:33 PM
@ Mango, the only way to top that is with......CHEESE!!!

the spray kind or the nice little precut squares?

Quote from: Venus-Castina on November 23, 2011, 11:22:57 PM
Fine:
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LOL! I will raise your discus one shotput *photo not available*

Quote from: Tracey on November 24, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
Here's your proof: Moon Pies. You think those things come from Toledo?

Wait, so the moon is crunchy grahams and marshmallow? I regret leaving then :(

The Moon Landing is a Conspiracy, John F Kennedy was actually assassinated by Oswald, 9/11 was an inside job, Osama Bin Laden isn't dead, Elvis is still seen around the world, if you don't resend this text then you'll die...

Quote from: Bishounen on November 24, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
For some reason, I suspect that the Threadstarter spends lots of time 24/7 on the Above Top Secret-board, where it is considered wellknown "facts" that The Government are Illuminati-driven by Fallen angels from outer space and that Space-lizards disguised as Humans dressed up in fine Suits and dresses are running around in Buckingham Palace and awaits the "Great Harvest", when their Draconian relatives from Planet Nibiru returns 2012 to re-erects the long awaited Golden Age anew. And- I almost forgot- that Obama is actually a genetically engineered hybrid; part clone of Akhenaton and part Alien, as he is the Anti-Christ.

And what concerns the "faked" moonlanding, the idea is far from something new and hardly "shocking news" for the public.
Most people have already heard it before but just rolls their eyes like this;  ::)

Plus, the Scientists Vince Calder and Andrew Johnson from the Argonne National Laboratory, have already shot down each and every one of the hoax-claims. Sorry.  ::)



That being said, I actually believe in alot of stuff, but that doesn't mean I take each and every wild claim as a confirmed fact there isn't any good reason to believe in it.

It sounds like you're well-versed in many of the false theories...I think *you* might be one of The Insiders...

LOL

j/k

Please don't kill me now...

Well it supposidly happened during the same weekend we were heading to woodstock but got caught on the NY state thruway. Most people were pretty stoned back then so you just might be right..

Oh we couldn't make it to woodstock so we went back to the NJ Y camp in the pocono's where i worked as a pot washer for jewish kids and we watched the fake moon landing too :)  ::)

PS: I know i was pretty stoned back then because i was not old enough to work so i lied and said my birthday was june 31st 195_  but there is only 30 days in june  :D

Quote from: _Mango_ on November 23, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
I just full mooned the waxing gibbius moon. Top that.

I waxed a mooning gibbon...on Earth's secret second moon where the cybermen live.... consider yourself topped.

I bet a dollar at some point we hear "Thank you all for participating. You're all cattle being fattened up for some corporations enjoyment." Bet you another dollar I just ruined her opportunity!

We are being  fattened up for the aliens who will soon visit us and take the ripest plumpest people for food for their starving planet

Glad I'm skinny!

The real reason why Nasa etc has never gone back to the moon is because even with 21st century technology a manned moon landing is still  impossible from a scientific and technical perspective.   What happened was that Armstrong et al were sent into a low earth orbit where they remained for the duration of the so called journey to the moon and the moon landing itself.   What was broadcast were filmed training simulations, a full performance dress rehearsal if you will.   Nasa controlled the television feed and the networks complained of the dark, grainy and very ghostly images they were being fed.   Even by late '60s television technology the broadcast images were very poor.

Check out the Van Allen radiation belts.   Even in low earth orbit astronauts and even those on the space shuttle have complained about flashes in their eyes even when their eyes where shut.   These flashes are caused by lowish level radiation.   The radiation in the Van Allan belts - which the Apollo missions all had to fly through is so high that even a very short exposure proves fatal.    The only way that those Apollo rockets could have travelled through the Van Allan belts would have been if the rockets had of had lead shields 6 feet of more thick throughout the entire length and breadth of the rocket.    Had they been able to build a rocket to this specification it would never have got off the ground, being far too heavy and requiring a huge amount of power to provide the necessary gravitational escape velocity.

Also think of the political and economic situation that existed in 1960s America.    Race riots,  Civil rights, KKK, Vietnam, assassination of Kennedy, and his brother along with Martin Luther King.     The horrors of Vietnam, and the beatings of blacks in the South were being broadcast daily throughout the world.   America was nearing turmoil at home and her reputation abroad was being severely damaged.     However, the idea that the archest of America's arch enemies the Soviet Union were streets ahead in the space was utterly intolerable to the Washington elite and the Military-Industrial complex.  America had to do something, but what?

To be honest I think that Nasa did set out genuinely to find away to in JFK's words 'send a man to the moon and returned him safely again to earth before this decade is out.'  However, they soon discovered that the brightest scientists and engineers in the country had not the slightest idea how to go about doing this.   This realisation was the start of what eventually became the great moon landing fraud.

Critics have repeatedly said, ' okay let's forget about the radiation for a moment.   Why were there no stars visible in the footage of the entire moon landing?   After all there is no  atmosphere on the moon the stars ought to have been beautifully clear, yet not only was there not a single star to be seen the astronauts themselves are on record saying that they never saw a single star while on the moon.    Speaking of that moon atmosphere, why is the American flag seen several times fluttering and waving on a number of occasions, when there are NO winds to blow it?'

What about the complete absence of a blast crater at the landing site?   What about the fact that during take-off from the moon the astronauts voices are clearly heard from the cockpit when they were only a couple of feet away from a rocket engine during blast off?  There are many other anomalies.

As this explanation could run to hundred of pages, let me sum it up.   Washington and the business and political elite shocked and humiliated by the success of their ideological arch enemy the Soviet Union,and haunted by the horrors of Vietnam and the savage treatment of blacks in the South being broadcast around the world on a daily basis decided something had to be done, something on an epic scale to distract the domestic population from the seemingly endless catalogue of iniquities going on in American or being perpetrated in its name.  So intially they decided to dramatically say to the Soviet Union; ' we see your manned space flight and we'll raise you a space laboratory.'    That's right America's initial reaction to Gagarin and Titov's space flights was to build a space laboratory.   However, Werner Von Braun and the generals and plutocrats thought that this a rather weak response.   The Pentagon saw the possibilities inherent in militarising space and the business elite smelled massive profits from the space programme.   The generals hoped that a landing on the moon would be the start of a series of military moon bases from which America could threaten the Soviet Union!   However, when it was realised that landing on the moon was as practicable in the 1960s as it had been in the 1860s, they switched tactics and employed the 'if you can't make it then fake it attitude.   Although this was an extraordinary deception it still accomplished what the rulers wanted.  The public at home and abroad would be entranced and distracted by the Hollywood style glitz and glamour of the moon project, the plutocrats still got their obese contracts, and the Pentagon obtained massive funding for other projects, as the $7 billion awarded by Congress to the programme had to be spent and accounted for.

To end just imagine if Washington had admitted that it couldn't beat the Soviets in the space race?   The propaganda coup handed to the Russians would have been immense!   This would have been tantamount to Johnston and/or Nixon saying from the Oval Office that Soviet communism was superior to American 'can do' capitalism!!    I think America would have been finished as a nation had this happened.  What probably would have happened was that America would have fractured into countries along the South American model, and her power and prestige upon the world's stage would have been badly tarnished if not destroyed.
The 1960s moon show united the American people like nothing before or since, and ensured America's economic cultural and political dominance over the world for the last 40+ years.

Happygirl, everything u stated has been debunked YEARS ago. You really need to do your research a lot more realistically if you expect anyone here to take you seriously. Because right now you are sorta making a clown out of yourself with debunked claims. Rather than trying to portray yourself as a free thinker, you have fallen into the trap of a blind sided devotee.

Do you think that the government is going to admit the truth?   Do you think Obama is going to come on television and say with a slight smirk. ' Yeah, the whole Apollo business was faked.   But hey it was 40 years ago so let's forgive and forget, huh?'

The fallout from such a revelation would actually be worse today then a confession would have been back in the early 70s.   Nasa has been aware of these beliefs for some time and they get their paid spokesmen to saying things 'we went too the moon, end of story'.   They also launch personal attacks 'well that guy is a bitter passed over scientist, what do you expect'.   Most people are so brain addled by the media that they don't know what to believe about anything, and as most people don't care to think, never mind read, they just go along with whatever they are told.   'We went too the moon, end of story', sure we did says Joe six-pack.

Happy Girl, that is extremely offensive and genderphobic. You should have said Joe and Josephine Six Pack. Also, let's get one thing straight right now. The British have never been to the moon, this is just sour grapes. Hugs, Tracey

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 24, 2011, 07:36:32 PM
Do you think that the government is going to admit the truth?   Do you think Obama is going to come on television and say with a slight smirk. ' Yeah, the whole Apollo business was faked.   But hey it was 40 years ago so let's forgive and forget, huh?'

The fallout from such a revelation would actually be worse today then a confession would have been back in the early 70s.   Nasa has been aware of these beliefs for some time and they get their paid spokesmen to saying things 'we went too the moon, end of story'.   They also launch personal attacks 'well that guy is a bitter passed over scientist, what do you expect'.   Most people are so brain addled by the media that they don't know what to believe about anything, and as most people don't care to think, never mind read, they just go along with whatever they are told.   'We went too the moon, end of story', sure we did says Joe six-pack.

You are certainly entitled to whatever u wanna believe in.

If you wanna believe that the evil america planted transitor radios and tracking devices under your skin then you go right on thinking that.

Have fun in your paranoia

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 24, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
I waxed a mooning gibbon...on Earth's secret second moon where the cybermen live.... consider yourself topped.

..with sprinkles!

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 23, 2011, 09:19:21 PM
Sorry but America fooled the world back in 1969.    Those Nasa, and White House cold warriors cruelly and in an extremely cynical manner defrauded the world.  Their purpose was to establish America's  world hegemony.   The whole thing is slowly but surely unravelling, and the terrible truth will be revealed.

I wonder how the world will react to this?   Will Europe and the English speaking countries turn their backs on America?   How will the American man or women in the street cope with the huge psychological fall-out from this?   Perhaps the reason why people won't look at the astonishing and compelling evidence fear that they might go mad if they do.   It is extremely sobering to put it mildly!    I remember being absolutely chilled when I discovered the facts about those Apollo missions and I am an anarchist.   I thought that I could no longer be shocked by the actions of governments, I was wrong.    You have to face up to it though, terrible as it undoubtedly is, because people need to wake up and see governments for the mercenary predatory 'gangster' corporations that they are.   The Federal government has sold you, your children, your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren into debt slavery, and yet you go on supporting these people?   Americans will be shocked to the core when they realise the extent of the mendacity perpetrated by the Military-industrial complex, who were determined at all costs to beat the Soviets into space and claim leadership of the world.  A leadership that still exists to this day.

Ok where to begin...

Nah...

Well, there are just too many holes in this particular argument that mere facts will obviously not change your mind.

However I would point out to you that Yuri Gagarin was the first human into space, and if you did read your immaculately researched books, you might have picked up on that one minor fact.

The Soviet Union also sent the first satellite in space as well with Sputnik.

They also sent the first woman into orbit, Valentina Tereshkova.

Also the first lunar flyby with Luna 1.

And the first permanent space station flew a Soviet Hammer and Sickle.

The first and only moon landings were American at the cost of about $10 billion 1967 dollars each.  About $100-$150 bln in today's stagflated currency.

About the only hoax was in Stanley Kubick's 1969 movie "2001" in which the ape scenes did NOT get a nomination for an Academy award for best special makeup effect because the academy thought they were REALLY APES!  The award went instead to the other monkey movie with Charlton Heston, "Planet of the Apes" (which was so bad they had to make 6 more and 2 remakes).

Now I won't have too much to argue with you about the state of the economy.  Even in the 1960's the deficit was staggering.  A time I  believe you never lived in but I did.

But if you insist you are an anarchist, you really should be less of a sheep.  Most anarchists that I know are quite independent intellectuals.  You simply parrot crap that is easily refuted with the simplest google searches.

And that is all I will say about that.

-Sandy

BTW: Spell check still requires thoughtful use.  I think the term you wanted was discuss, not discus.

Quote from: Jen61 on November 24, 2011, 09:19:06 AM
Demoted to Captain ! Oh no ! you evil girl, you ruin my thanksgiving, now I am going to get indegestion

It's ok. I think he wanted to get demoted, really. He didn't seem happy when he was stuck at a desk. His place really was in the Captain's chair.

Kia Ora,

::) There are gullible people and there are gullible people and more gullible people.....

Metta Zenda :)

Tracy raises an interesting point.   I am not American so I obviously don't have to cope with national pride issues the way Americans do.    The whole moon fraud business is so intricate, so deep and involved that most people just don't  want to know.   

Quote from: Laura91 on November 24, 2011, 04:24:36 PM
But most people ARE cattle (or sheep..pick yer animal).

It doesn't take much prodding to convince people to do most things. All you need to do is repeat something the appropriate number of times and people will go along with it without a second thought.

You have never worked in a school, I presume.

Happy girl, you missed my point. Let's view this from another angle. I have seen images on TV, very high quality video of a feat so incredible, so mind boggling that it couldn't be true. Yet the English people claim (snicker) to have drilled a "Chunnel" through twenty miles of chalk, underwater of all places. We are led to believe you can drive through this twenty mile soaking wet chalk wormhole and arrive safely in another land. It all sounds quite incredible to me. Hugs, Tracey

The real ultimate truth is... ;)

"The moon landing never happened" theory was concocted by the US government so that all other nations would henceforth underestimate the technological prowess of the country
But unfortunately it totally backfired as the authorities underestimated the intelligence of most US citizens

However, the CIA continued to create books and start up web sites, deliberately made to look crude so as to not arouse suspicion, to try to keep the theory alive, in the hope that the theory would eventually be accepted
Those who have been duped by the CIA's books and web sites, commonly called the conspiracy theorists, are in fact the ones who are being manipulated by the US government

Happy girl, stop being duped by the government!!

Quote from: apple pie on November 25, 2011, 08:54:50 AM
The real ultimate truth is... ;)

"The moon landing never happened" theory was concocted by the US government so that all other nations would henceforth underestimate the technological prowess of the country
But unfortunately it totally backfired as the authorities underestimated the intelligence of most US citizens

However, the CIA continued to create books and start up web sites, deliberately made to look crude so as to not arouse suspicion, to try to keep the theory alive, in the hope that the theory would eventually be accepted
Those who have been duped by the CIA's books and web sites, commonly called the conspiracy theorists, are in fact the ones who are being manipulated by the US government

Happy girl, stop being duped by the government!!

And there, yet another conspiracy stuck up its muddy nose from the hole.
Regardless of what fantasies tinfoil-hats kooks up together, it is apparently never brought on by themselves and they are never ever responsible for them, but its always the big bad American Government that is responsible, huh?

Actually, the Governemt don't have to even utter a word to fill people with silliness, as all the World's fluffballs manage to kook up the wildest stuff just fine all by themselves, together with their followers that badly wants something to be angry at so that they can blame everyone else except themselves for their own shortcommings.
In short, The whole responsibility rests on the tinhats alone and no-one else.

This blaming "the Governemt" on exactly everything that people believes in and do, regardless of what the belief and doings consists of, is terribly worn out. ::)

Stop being duped by tinfoil-hats.

Quote from: Bishounen on November 25, 2011, 09:12:04 AM

And there, yet another conspiracy stuck up its muddy nose from the hole.
Regardless of what fantasies tinfoil-hats kooks up together, it is apparently never brought on by themselves and they are never ever responsible for them, but its always the big bad American Government that is responsible, huh?

Actually, the Governemt don't have to even utter a word to fill people with silliness, as all the World's fluffballs manage to kook up the wildest stuff just fine all by themselves, together with their followers that badly wants something to be angry at so that they can blame everyone else except themselves for their own shortcommings.
In short, The whole responsibility rests on the tinhats alone and no-one else.

This blaming "the Governemt" on exactly everything that people believes in and do, regardless of what the belief and doings consists of, is terribly worn out. ::)

Stop being duped by tinfoil-hats.

::) Relax, it's just my new hobby http://xkcd.com/966/ (http://xkcd.com/966/)

Quote from: apple pie on November 25, 2011, 09:47:31 AM
::) Relax, it's just my new hobby http://xkcd.com/966/ (http://xkcd.com/966/)

Very well, maybe just for this once, then. :laugh:

Nice link lol.

Well, you have to give conspiracist theorists credit for one thing: giving us a good laugh or two.

Happy Girl is the first British conspiracy theorist I have heard of, I thought we all knew that no government could organise a children's tea party let alone some vast inter-linked foil of mystery.

Also, adding to my disproving the 'people are sheep' idea using examples from school life; today an eight year old boy poohed himself just to prove me wrong.

He told me he needed the loo (as he does every day) I told him he could hold on (as I do every day) but instead of holding on, he grunted and strained in order that he would crap his pants - and was proud of himself. And I got 23 of the buggers to keep an eye on.

Kia Ora,

::) Conspiracy theories are a way of giving ordinary people a narrative with which to question what they see around them. They make ones thoughts 'think', and for some this means thinking outside the square of ones neatly 'conditioned' comfort zone...

::) Happy Girl, regardless of the negative comments and the ones that are meant to ridicule you, you have achieved your goal, you have planted a seed and even if many dismiss the theory, they can't help but 'think' about it...

And do I believe the moon landing was a fraud ? I don't know and I don't care-it's all in the mind anyway...

Walking On The Moon - The Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbv-LcdLY-Y#)

"So they say!"

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on November 25, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Conspiracy theories are a way of giving ordinary people a narrative with which to question what they see around them. They make ones thoughts 'think', and for some this means thinking outside the square of ones neatly 'conditioned' comfort zone...

So does a decently written history or novel and without that earnest, offputting element of irrationality that comes with a conspiracy theory.

Indeed a novel about a fake moonlanding would be fascinating, could really intrigue and interest.

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 25, 2011, 04:36:44 PM
So does a decently written history or novel and without that earnest, offputting element of irrationality that comes with a conspiracy theory.

Indeed a novel about a fake moonlanding would be fascinating, could really intrigue and interest.

Kia Ora Pica Pica,

::) Whichever way one looks at it, it's all an illusion anyway ! ;)

Metta Zenda :)

It is interesting to note that if you put forward a position and argument that may  get you classified as a 'conspiracy theorist'.   People instead of trying to logically undermine your argument start making ad-hominem attacks upon you.   They say 'so do you also believe that Diana was murdered and that Hitler didn't die but fled to South America?'   'Do you think that the government is trying to microwave your brain, do you wear a tin-foil hat?'    People who resort to these tactics and things like 'jeez there must be a full-moon the wing-nuts, and loony-tunes, sure are noisy tonight,'  they have lost the argument before it even starts.

The ->-bleeped-<- community is well know for its near-religious devotion to medicine and science.   The community looks not to 'Jaysus', sorry, Jesus as their saviour but Lord Science.  Many of us think 'one day science will find a way to give me a fully functioning womb...invent a pill that will entire feminise my body and make me indistinguishable from genetic women even to doctors, but until that glorious day arrives as it surely will.  I must never question Lord Science, I must believe in its dogmas, I must venerate it's achievements, and never, ever question science's rationale of 'if it can be done it should be done'.   That sort of thinking gave us the atomic bomb, thalidomide and germ warfare, to name just three wondrous gifts from science.

->-bleeped-<-:   Do not question Lord Science!

HG: But the evidence against the moon landings is substantial and compelling, and NO they have not been debunked.

->-bleeped-<-:  Silence blasphemer!    Your questions offend Lord Science.   If you question science we will never get our wombs and those 100% feminisation pills.

HG:  But...

->-bleeped-<-:  Stone the blasphemer, stone her I say!!

I'll debunk one, the six feet of lead. If that much sheilding were required to pass through the radiation belts, then the meteorites passed around every science class, and readily available online and at museum gift shops would give us all tumors in our fingers. Except Picas' pupil, who would probably end up with ass cancer.

Quote from: Zenda on November 25, 2011, 04:47:38 PM
Kia Ora Pica Pica,

::) Whichever way one looks at it, it's all an illusion anyway ! ;)

Metta Zenda :)

construction - possibly
communication - certainly
Illusion - really?

I'll agree that history is a constructed narrative, that it is completely impossible to recreate what has been, and that fiction is a personal response to life, an attempt to describe life at it is felt, but both this things try to communicate but whether they are illusions, I doubt it because an illusion is fully clear to the illusionist and unclear to the audience and that is not how fiction or history communicate.

As for the 'our lord science' thing, I'm not personally after anything from science, and my objection came from knowledge of human organising groups, and the fact that a conspiracy would have to be perpetrated by an uber-organising group, I reckon all conspiracies organised by committee have probably been found out.

Also, if one is theorising about conspiracies, wouldn't it be fitting to be called a conspiracy theorist?

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 25, 2011, 05:23:00 PM

construction - possibly
communication - certainly
Illusion - really?

Kia Ora Pica,

::) What's reality ?

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on November 25, 2011, 05:27:08 PM
Kia Ora Pica,

::) What's reality ?

Metta Zenda :)

After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it -- "I refute it thus."
Boswell: Life of Samuel Johnson

Reality is the stuff that kicks and rebounds (and also I expanded further on my point, realising it a tad oblique.)

Quote from: Zenda on November 25, 2011, 05:27:08 PM
Kia Ora Pica,

::) What's reality ?

Metta Zenda :)

Anything that is not metaphysics !!!

Quote from: Jen61 on November 25, 2011, 05:44:33 PM

Anything that is not metaphysics !!!

Interesting fact about metaphysics, it does not mean 'beyond the physical' - that's a mistranslation. It means 'After physics', because in the original anthology of Aristotle the lectures that introduced the subject were the ones after the ones on physics.

Quote from: Zenda on November 25, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Conspiracy theories are a way of giving ordinary people a narrative with which to question what they see around them. They make ones thoughts 'think', and for some this means thinking outside the square of ones neatly 'conditioned' comfort zone...

::) Happy Girl, regardless of the negative comments and the ones that are meant to ridicule you, you have achieved your goal, you have planted a seed and even if many dismiss the theory, they can't help but 'think' about it...

And do I believe the moon landing was a fraud ? I don't know and I don't care-it's all in the mind anyway...

Walking On The Moon - The Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbv-LcdLY-Y#)

"So they say!"

Metta Zenda :)

I do agree very much with the part about thinking outside one's comfort zone.
I even agree that it is possible that the lunar landing in fact never happened, with a very small chance.

While my counter-theory above was inspired by the xkcd comic, it was also to point out that there are an infinite number of other theories too that could explain it.
So the theory that the "moon landing never happened" theory was made up by the US government is possible, as I'm sure you'll agree.
And also the theory that the "the moon landing never happened theory was made up by the US government" theory was made up by the Chinese government.
And so on ad infinitum...

The thing is, while possible, they are unlikely.
As many others have mentioned, the never-happened theory has been quite thoroughly debunked.
Happy girl should try to explain the flaws in the arguments that others have pointed out, if she wishes to convince some of us, instead of just reiterating that nothing has been debunked.
Otherwise, in fact, she hasn't really planted any seed or anything like that that makes most of us doubt the moon landing yet...

PS I also agree that "I don't care" would be a good way to think about it, since in my opinion there isn't going to be any real consequence even if it never happened, contrary to what Happy girl suggested...

Quote from: apple pie on November 25, 2011, 05:52:01 PM

I do agree very much with the part about thinking outside one's comfort zone.

The reasonable, actual and tangible world seems the furthest from any of our comfort zones, seems the real challenging thoughts are the ones that explain specifically and without some overarching theory.

Kia Ora Pica Pica,

::) The perceived reality is illusory not in the sense that reality is a fantasy or unreal, but that our perceptions and preconditions mislead us to believe that we are separate from the elements that we are made of.

What appears as a world of apparently external phenomena, is the energy of the individual him or herself. There is nothing external or separate from the individual. Everything that manifests in the individual's field of experience is a continuum...

In reality, all phenomena are incomplete, impermanent and do no constitute a fixed entity


Kia Ora Jen,

::) Metaphysics is defined as the branch of philosophy that examines the true nature of reality, whether visible or invisible. Metaphysics includes the relationship between mind and matter, substance and attribute, and, fact and value. Basically, metaphysics is the philosophical study of 'being and knowing'

A Zen Master once said
"What's going on outside, is indeed going on inside you. The trick is your mind, it makes you so confused that you would perceive what's going on, as outside you and hence, the thing we call world. But the reality is your mind is your world. The ego which created the separation makes you perceive the world as outside of you. It's an Inside World, Outside Reality"
"What you hear, you feel or see is all inside you, but your untamed mind makes it so real that it indeed happens outside you!"

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one !"

Albert Einstein


Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: apple pie on November 25, 2011, 05:52:01 PM

I do agree very much with the part about thinking outside one's comfort zone.
I even agree that it is possible that the lunar landing in fact never happened, with a very small chance.

While my counter-theory above was inspired by the xkcd comic, it was also to point out that there are an infinite number of other theories too that could explain it.
So the theory that the "moon landing never happened" theory was made up by the US government is possible, as I'm sure you'll agree.
And also the theory that the "the moon landing never happened theory was made up by the US government" theory was made up by the Chinese government.
And so on ad infinitum...

The thing is, while possible, they are unlikely.
As many others have mentioned, the never-happened theory has been quite thoroughly debunked.
Happy girl should try to explain the flaws in the arguments that others have pointed out, if she wishes to convince some of us, instead of just reiterating that nothing has been debunked.
Otherwise, in fact, she hasn't really planted any seed or anything like that that makes most of us doubt the moon landing yet...

PS I also agree that "I don't care" would be a good way to think about it, since in my opinion there isn't going to be any real consequence even if it never happened, contrary to what Happy girl suggested...

Kia Ora Apple,

::) Theory within theory within theory... I like it  ;) ;D

::) BTW Happy Girl, made other posters 'think' , regardless of the outcome of those thoughts... ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Wisnewski, Gerhard. One small step? The great Moon hoax and the race to dominate earth from space.  Clairview Books, East Sussex (2007).

This is an extraordinary book.   Wisnewski, doesn't merely cast doubt on the moon landings.   He blows the whole fiction to smithereens.   Warning, read this book and you will never believe that man landed on the moon again.

" Is it possible that the famous American moon
landings were nothing but an illusion - a fabrication?
Could NASA have fooled the world by broadcasting simulations that had
been filmed for training purposes?

From the very first manned flight into orbit
right up to the present day there have been
serious anomalies in the official narrative of the conquest of space.
Bestselling author Gerhard Wisnewski dissects the history in minute detail
from the first Russian missions to the final American moon project of Apollo 17
- looking at films, photos, radio communications, personal statements and any other available material.
Using forensic methods of investigation, he pieces together a complex jigsaw depicting a disturbing
picture of falsifications, lies, fakery[and even murder] in the Cold War struggle for supremacy between
the Soviet Union and the USA.   
The evidence he presents casts serious doubts on the possibility of humans ever having walked
on the moon.


Wisnewski's research calls for a reassessment of the received wisdom that has entered the fabric
of our culture.   The true story of space exploration has a more sinister undertone, he argues.
Beneath the guise of civilian space travel the US military has been developing fearsome
new equipment and weapons to be secretly stationed in space with the aim of militarising
the orbit around earth.
The potential target: every human being on the planet."

"Profusely illustrated with over 200 photos and diagrams."


Another book that I recommend is:

Bennet, Mary; Percy, David S. : Dark Moon - Apollo and the Whistle Blowers, London, 1999, 2002.

OK Zenda,

Reality is anything but phylospphy or religion

You have to be kidding me !

and the illuminati are taking over, the 12th planet is going to wipe us out, ebola monkeys are going to infect us all, fema camps are going to be bases for the chinese army and don't forget that the aliens from some galaxy or anouther are going to teleport all the good people to utopia just as soon as all these other things happen.......


rolls eyes...
I know the real deal....we are just a lab experiment for a bunch of white lab rats.
sheesh doesn't anyone know this already!!!!??!?!

Here is an interesting fact.   The USA imported wholesale all the officers who worked on the Nazi V rockets that killed thousands in London during the war.    Washington didn't bat an eye-lid at employing ex-Nazis and giving them a home and job in America.   Consider this Werner Von Braun was a member of the SS.

Long but highly interesting video.

Was It Only A Paper Moon? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8zY1msPBZ8#)

I wonder what has happened to Mimpi?

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 25, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
Here is an interesting fact.   The USA imported wholesale all the officers who worked on the Nazi V rockets that killed thousands in London during the war.    Washington didn't bat an eye-lid at employing ex-Nazis and giving them a home and job in America.   Consider this Werner Von Braun was a member of the SS.

The Rocket program was under the SS's Special Weapons Projects.

Never heard of Operation Paperclip (wasn't just the title of an X-Files episode either)?

Now tell me this...who was General Dr Ing. Hans (Heinz) Friedrich Karl Franz Kammler?

Is there some reason you feel compelled to start, what is it, three separate threads on the same topic?

P.S. Never mind; I'm merging them.

I think Happgirl doesn't believe the stuff she's been saying. I think she's doing it to get a reaction. I think she has better deductive reasoning skills than this. I think she's smarter than this.

Conspiracies only work well with a very limited number of people that know and would have access to the data and who would have been sworn to secracy. To understand the magnitude of what would have had to happen for them to pull it off is to know the shear number of people involved in the space program at that time. At the time of Apollo 8 NASA employed just shy of 270,000 employees both civil and military with the largest being from the civilian side. (Apollo 11 was the following year and employment still was over 219,000) To keep that many people in line would be harder than herding felines during a rain storm. It would mean that or some of the scientists working on it would have seen the figures and realized that there were anomalies that would not add up and questions would have been asked at that time and someone would most likely have come forward to ask those questions from within NASA itself.

No thread is completely pointless if someone can interject a Samuel Johnson quote into it.  :D

I haven't had this much fun since darklady last logged on.  :laugh:

-Sandy

But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Quote from: SarahM777 on November 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Here is what Wisnewski has to say about America's silence over Gagarin's rather dubious flight.


" No one talks about this now, but in those early days there were many doubts.   The American press looked askance at cosmonaut Gagarin's flight.
But although the American government had eyes with which it could have read the signs, it did not do so...And of course it had its own experts who must have
analysed Gagarin's flight.   But nothing happened.    One reason for this may have been the huge prestige invested by the Soviet Union in the flight.
The Soviet leadership had embraced and kissed the cosmonaut en masse in Red Square.   For America to cast doubt on the flight would thus have been at least
an unfriendly act, if not a downright inimical one.
Another reason might have been that the USA would have presented itself to the world as a sore loser.   A dispute about the flight would have been an argument with no
clear outcome.    So why not instead use it to build up one's own potential?     To acknowledge the flight meant giving the go ahead for its own enormous space
programme from which both the military and industry would gain financially for years to come. "

Wisnewski 2007, p.49


From this you can see why the Soviets said nothing about the moon landings.

Quote from: SarahM777 on November 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Now you see, there you go, using logic and facts on the altar of Lord High Science.  When EVERYBODY KNOWS that you cant go into space in the first place since there is no air to push against!

This is just too silly for words.

-Sandy

Spaceballs - Planet of the Apes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9MxTRspXpQ#)

Was this clip recorded with a potato?

No, a meatball

And if you liked that, you'll love this...

The Muppet Show - Pigs in Space:Star Wars Cast Board the Swinetrek (pt 1&2) and the Finale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFvZtROeJrE#)

Happy Girl....I can't believe you missed this one! :laugh:




Stanley Kubrick Filmed Fake Moon Footage !! Proof ! Told you so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlqvlu_di6A&feature=player_embedded#)


http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm)

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 25, 2011, 08:29:42 PM
I wonder what has happened to Mimpi?

THAT is the key to UNLOCKING this whole thing ... where is Mimpi ??

No landing on the moon?

Uhmm.
I am an aerospatial engineer. Yes, my whole job and university career is about writing fake documents for people out of u.s.a.
We in italy call it, being part of the "universitary students conspiracy"

In reality we are just high paid science fiction writers

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lv9kcd9XBJ1r189q4o1_500.jpg&hash=1f9601ce9a7499e3c054592333db104771657109)

Just gonna put that there.
Made it all special for this board. :3
I-I hope it's allowed? XD

Snooze, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Quote from: Sandy on November 25, 2011, 11:36:07 PM
Now you see, there you go, using logic and facts on the altar of Lord High Science.  When EVERYBODY KNOWS that you cant go into space in the first place since there is no air to push against!

This is just too silly for words.

-Sandy

Oh Oh Oh I think I got it. See in reality we ARE being prepared for all these secrets coming out. There really is an Area 51 (Independence Day) but there really aren't space aliens but it's actually an underground warehouse to keep all of our Nations secrets (Indiana Jones) They have hidden it so well because it is so deep in the New Mexico Nevada desert area. See and that's where they really have or had Amelia Earhart (Unlikely she is still there as she would now be over 110 years old now),Flight 19,the U.S.S. Cyclops,Elvis,and the 6 lunar modules and the lunar landers. See when they set the bombs off in the desert it wasn't really nuclear weapons being set off it was really they were blasting away in the desert for the underground warehouse. See see see don't you get it?

What's really happening is that Hollywood has been given the OK to start putting clues in all the movies now. (They figure most of us will never get it as the clues are hidden in the movies themselves) That's really the message of National Treasure and the Da Vinci Code. (The clues are not really pipes or bits of stone but are really hidden messages) They figure most of will never "get it" as they are hidden in works of fiction. So see what the government does is they get to preview all the movies so that they can make sure the messages are not in plain view. And because they don't want us to know the whole truth at one time it's just a clue here and a clue there and you really have to do some serious thinking to put it all together. ::)

This is not meant to be taken seriously. It's just at time it seems like this is the kind of logic that is used.

@ Sandy, I never thought pulling Darklady out from under a pigpile of mean spirited people was all that much fun. Hugs, Tracey

connaissance sans frontiers.

I think that this thread has run its course.   Somebody yesterday got very upset indeed by this thread.   I hope that the moderators haven't punished her for her outburst?     I have known about this business for about three years and I had my suspicions before then.    It is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.    You would need  to be a Green Beret, or a Navy Seal to have withstood this.
I understand that humour and gentle mocking are healthy attempts at coping with an near intolerable revelation.


We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan, so this revelation while still shocking it is not paralysing like it would be for many Americans.

I think she's smarter than this.

Oddly enough I think the same thing about religion all the time.  Where - by the way - people believe claims much, much, much more extraordinary with far, far, far, far less proof.  So, its' OK to try to butter me up and get me to somehow believe that GOD - the lord high maker and ruler of the entire universe through all time and space - came to earth, as a human, showed up in a backwash, continually troubled province of the Roman Empire back 'bout 2,000 years ago now, where he was executed as a common criminal after enjoying his earth-bound life as a carpenter.  And that's OK, because if he was not executed I'd still suffer from original sin and be punished with eternal hell fire (mostly for masturbating and having sex) because some girl ate some apple or something, and by dying in a most horrible way we were freed from sin forever, but not from the need to masturbate.  Which apparently you still shouldn't do, and can still get sent to hell for. 

And you want me to believe that, but entertaining the notion that the government of the United States participated in some huge hoax^* (we're still holding the weekly "Republican Primary" debates aren't we?  7 people who should never be President pretending to run for the office?) while lying like a rug (yeah, no basis to ever think that) just to score a PR coup is somehow beyond the bounds of reason.

Yeah.  About that... 

There is nothing amazing in most conspiracy theories, indeed they often offer an explanation that seems much easier on the surface to believe than the commonly accepted facts: in this case that the same nation that created the Tea Party and seeming fights against science at every turn, particularly in the educational system, could have ever done anything as scientifically-based as put a man on the moon.  It's much easier, more convenient, far more apparent (and a hella lot cheaper too), and far easier to control if we just did it on TV (we are the TVNation after all) and just try to pass it off as fact, which was not that hard as most people were already believing that.   




Wehrner became member of the Schuts Staffel as Sturmbahnfurher purely to get funding for his research.
No excuse.


* - not to put too fine a point on it, but this December 24, at some point in the evening (most likely chosen to be the right time in the Eastern Time Zone) NORAD, the US's first-line defense against rocket-based nuclear war, will announce they have spotted Santa Claus.  I love this moment in the holidays more than any other moment.  Really.  I do. 

Tekla, you hit it right on the head with the NORAD thing, that's my favourite, too. Followed by the local police radios broadcasting reports of a man in a red and white suit, 5'2" 380 lbs breaking into houses through the chimney. Followed by the conspiracy people announcing the fat man, sleigh, and presents would all burn up like a comet. Hugs, Tracey

Well in the current climate some old guy - with longish hair and a full-beard in some weirdo costume who only works one night a year would be taken for some hippie/OWS type and get pepper sprayed, maced, whacked with a few rubber rounds and then shot with a tear gas canister.

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 26, 2011, 04:47:23 PMIt is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.   

Wow. If you think that most of the Americans on these boards actually feel that way about their government, you might want to think some more.

P.S. Sorry 'bout the silly typo...I fixed it, but now people are quoting me! >>>head explodes<<<

Good point Arch  8)  I rarely meet anyone who trusts the Govt. much

We went too the Kennedy Space centre when we were in Florida.   I remember seeing the Saturn 5 rocket that they have on display there and thinking 'wow, they went to the moon in that?'   Maybe that surprise planted a seed in my mind?   

In Barcelona we saw an exact replica of Columbus' ship and it was tiny!    Those sailors were super brave!

Since we can use YOUR rules in this thread, I don't believe you've been to Florida or Barcelona. I believe a major corporation or government brainwashed you into thinking you've seen these places. Hugs, Tracey

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 26, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
I think that this thread has run its course.   Somebody yesterday got very upset indeed by this thread.   I hope that the moderators haven't punished her for her outburst?     I have known about this business for about three years and I had my suspicions before then.    It is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.    You would need  to be a Green Beret, or a Navy Seal to have withstood this.
I understand that humour and gentle mocking are healthy attempts at coping with an near intolerable revelation.


We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan, so this revelation while still shocking it is not paralysing like it would be for many Americans.

Oh. gimmee a break. I thought all the Flatlanders died off years ago. As a PhD engineer who was here for all the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo flights, I know a HappyKook when I see one. Fun stuff, but come on. Start with F = MA and build from there.

We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan

We've been suspicious of it since before the beginning, which is why our government is so different.

There maybe some confusion here.   No one is denying that man has sent manned rockets etc into low earth orbit, or sent probes that have landed on planets etc.   What is disputed is that man has  landed men on the moon. 

The space shuttle also went into low earth orbit, that is not doubted.   It is the landing and exploring of the moon by human beings that is disputed.

P.S. look at footage of Apollo blasting off from the moon's surface for the return journey and you will notice two things.   First, the craft looks as if it is being jerked upon on a piece of string.   Second, what filmed the blast-off from the moon?   The camera films the take off from a level position to start with then changes angle to film the craft launching into space.  Perhaps 1960s technology allowed this to happen?   Another curious thing how did this footage get back to earth?   Obviously no one could have physically retrieved it from the moon surface.   Perhaps they had the technology to 'beam' this footage back to earth back in the 60s?

i think you are fighting an uphill cause by yourself, Happygirl.

You can write all this stuff out until the cows come home. No one is really taking your convictions seriously. If anything, you are kinda making yourself look rather bad.

You sound like a fundamentalist preacher trying to proselytize to the sinners. The problem is, these "sinners" are smart. It may work on other forums but people are seeing right through this.

BTW, the last paragraph you wrote has been debunked for years now. Should read up on current events and not the usual conspiracy conventions.

Its been fun....

Happy Girl are you having another crisis? The last time you went on a posting flurry, back when you were still Princess of Hearts,
you admitted to going through one. https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,106793.msg806901.html#msg806901 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,106793.msg806901.html#msg806901)  #10 
What is it this time?

Once again you have proven your ability to "bring in the crowds", and skillfully manipulate the masses to keep the thread rollin'!
So what bothers thee my child?

Quote from: SandraJane on November 27, 2011, 04:04:44 AM
Its been fun....

Happy Girl are you having another crisis? The last time you went on a posting flurry, back when you were still Princess of Hearts,
you admitted to going through one. What is it this time?

Once again you have proven your ability to "bring in the crowds", and skillfully manipulate the masses to keep the thread rollin'!
So what bothers thee my child?

ahhh why are only the moderators told who is changing their names because its not right so many waste their time over such when the moderators know who the IP is..

I figured out how to handle her. Happy Girl, there is no confusion here, you've merely been brainwashed by some corporation or government into thinking there's confusion here. Hugs, Tracey

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 23, 2011, 09:19:21 PM
Sorry but America fooled the world back in 1969.    Those Nasa, and White House cold warriors cruelly and in an extremely cynical manner defrauded the world.  Their purpose was to establish America's  world hegemony.   The whole thing is slowly but surely unravelling, and the terrible truth will be revealed.

And wait until the truth about Roswell comes out.  Weather balloon my butt!

Ok here is my take on this whole conspiracy thing ===> In 1975 after getting out of the USMC i met one Patrick Peyton who told me 2 weeks before he died that he was going to die / be killed because he had lived his one yr free after retirement and had to be killed because They were afraid he might talk to someone as he got old and senile. he was in texas when kennedy was killed. He was a 20 yr texas state trooper and 5 yrs international border patrol and 10 yrs FBI and 10 yrs CIA and he said to me in 1975 that they killed the kennedys to stop 24 yrs of democratic rule by the three brothers. He said it was the republican party as what he knew. He also told me his son was set up for life in Lockheed martin for him keeping his silence which even his son or wife was never told. He though wanted to share it with someone before he died and so he chose me a USMC vet. when i finally googled this in 98 when i first got online i found a Peyton was in charge at lockheed. Anyway thats what i was told by an old man who spent his last yr selling watermelons on the streets of garberville Calif. which he would bring back from mac allen texas. I called him the watermelon man. Then in 2001 i met the lesbian neice of strom thurmond on a boat in st pete Fl. who i told this story too and she said wow you knew the watermellon man. She then told me to keep quiet.. Also if you remember sometimes shortly after 1975 Larry Flint offered a million dollars to anyone with info on the kennedy asassinations and he was quickly shot.. Well i don't know for sure the truth but it seems to me to add up.. Patrick peyton died at the garberville Calif hospital in the redwoods in 1975. He loved to break open watermellons and share them with kids who couldn't afford them. He said he chose N. Calif to spend his lat yr because of all the hippies there. He said he was tired of the plastic all conforming people he dealt with in his life..

Yes i changed the topic to my own life story and well for me this is fact but for others i might be called a goof 
:-\

Quote from: Julie Marie on November 27, 2011, 06:35:15 AM
And wait until the truth about Roswell comes out.  Weather balloon my butt!

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falien-ufo-research.com%2FRoswell%2FRoswelldebris.jpg&hash=108bf18bd4c190d2ed7388db6c2d3e940ce9646e)

U.s governement desecreted the whole covering story. If what they showed was indeed a weather baloon, what crashed was a test plane, the futuristic alluminium made Sr71. End of the story.

Quote from: Sweet Blue Girl on November 27, 2011, 09:55:29 AM
U.s governement desecreted the whole covering story. If what they showed was indeed a weather baloon, what crashed was a test plane, the futuristic alluminium made Sr71. End of the story.

I have never believed the Balloon-stuff, regardless of what it was that crashed, simply because it was never actually proven as being one, plus, the "explanations" didn't make sense at all and also rudely brushed off a bunch of direct witnesses.

Don't really care though about what actually crashed, whether it was Aliens, fairhaired Nazis or a bunch of testmonkeys that were crappy pilots. ::)

Nice!!!!!!

Quote from: Amazon D on November 27, 2011, 05:57:00 AM
ahhh why are only the moderators told who is changing their names because its not right so many waste their time over such when the moderators know who the IP is..

I can check IPs, but that doesn't mean I know the person's original username. Name changes don't seem to be recorded in any particular forum or list. So I was as much in the dark as you were.

usually when it's a thread against America, I can tell pretty quickly who it is...no matter how many times she changes her name ;)

Quote from: Annah on November 27, 2011, 12:55:37 PM
usually when it's a thread against America, I can tell pretty quickly who it is...no matter how many times she changes her name ;)

Good point Annah! And Amazon D, don't know what your comment was about, but "Happy Girl" posted that she was changing her name and everything posted with POH in the post still stands.

And...it means somethings wrong....

Point well made, SandraJane. Hugs, Tracey

Quote from: tekla on November 26, 2011, 05:10:33 PM
Wehrner became member of the Schuts Staffel as Sturmbahnfurher purely to get funding for his research.
No excuse.

Yes, Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun was a Sturmbannführer (equivalent to Major) in the Schutzstaffel (SS).

In the old Soviet Union they used to say: 'Life in Soviet Union is a workers' paradise, only someone mentally ill would dispute this!'    I am starting to know how Soviet dissents likely the physicist Andrei Sakarov the 1975 Nobel Peace laureate felt.    Dr Sakarov criticised USSR foreign and domestic policy, this was a clear sign of his lunacy said the Politburo, and Pravda loyally and dutifully informed the people: 'Comrades, Comrade Dr Sakarov is mentally deranged, please pay no attention to his ramblings.   The wicked, decadent West is shamelessly encouraging this poor man's ravings by awarding him a Nobel Prize.  Comrades, behold the lengths the bloated, bourgeois  West will go to to undermine the glorious Workers' paradise that is the USSR!    Comrades please be assured that comrade Sakarov will receive the very best treatment in our glorious psychiatric system.'

As for people who keep saying 'but these things were debunked years ago', err, no they weren't.   I saw a programme over here that sought to explain the American flag waving, twisting and fluttering, when there is no atmosphere on the moon.   What they did was spread sand on the floor in the experiment - to simulate moondust! - then they assured the viewers that ALL windows and doors were closed.   In this 'experiment' the flag moved and swayed, and the presenters said 'look the flag is moving and ALL doors and windows are shut!  There that finally explains how the flag moved, swayed, waved and fluttered on the moon'.   AND people at home said 'yeah, explain that away you doubting Moon loons?!'



P.S.  I clearly have a big ego because I just completely assumed that people were (1) aware of my presence at Susans.  (2) Following my threads and would see that I have changed my username, which isn't against the rules btw.

The point remains, you cannot convince anybody that the moon landings by American Astrounants did not happen.

They did !

Quote from: Venus-Castina on November 27, 2011, 09:13:54 PM
I don't really see how it is different from Charles Darwin using the Royal Navy's resources to conduct his research.

You are not seriously comparing the Royal Navy with the SS are you?

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 27, 2011, 09:26:02 PM
You are not seriously comparing the Royal Navy with the SS are you?

Interesting. You enjoy bashing America but if someone says something about England, Scotland, United Kingdom, et al (even if you misinterpreted it) you get defensive.

Quote from: Annah on November 27, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
Interesting. You enjoy bashing America but if someone says something about England (even if you misinterpreted it) you get defensive.

Sorry Annah, Happy Girl is a "SCOT", which means she lives in SCOTLAND! Now if ya say she's ENGLISH...probably piss her off! :laugh:


B->-bleeped-<-ipes Scotland the Brave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fab7xIaXj8E&feature=player_detailpage#)

..as for you and I Annah...we live here...




Elvis Presley America the Beautiful (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoSBtCUvOOE&feature=player_detailpage#)

The SS was dedicated to the genocide of Jews, homosexuals, socialists, communists, the Roma and Sinti, physically-handicapped, people mentally-handicapped people, the deaf, the chronic alcoholic, those with hereditary diseases, and all 'enemies of the National Socialist state'.   The RN is dedicated to the protection of Great Britain and the NATO countries.

Before i quit this disturbing conversation. Where one pretends to be the new Galileo saying things thirty years old, and yet  explained both by scientific research and government secrets disclosed.
I want to add few points.
1) the technology of moon landing derives from nazi's rockets, indeed the advance brought by u.s.a and urss to german rocket propulsion led to going out of earth atmosphere and moon landing.
2) the technology was not that complicate. It is just matter of power and weight. Russia indeed still use rockets 30 years old and so usa does.
3) landing on the moon is not that hard, being the moon atmosphereless, the atmosphere is important just in flight, without it there are a lot of less troubles.
4) the real problem was never the technology but the safety of these high power machines.
5) all the suspicions about moon landing footage have been explained by usa representants admitting some photos were altered for propaganda
6) search a job, another usefoul occupation, there is no conspiracy. Sometimes government lie or bend reality, but evn they tend to be without fantasy in these things.
7) maybe you know it yet. Feeling different brings a lot of problem. When you are child you feel hated, not accepted, these things escavate in your oul an irrational fear that goes out as paranoia. But it's just fear. Beeing different is not so easy.

this disturbing conversation

to say the least...

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 27, 2011, 04:58:27 PM
... As for people who keep saying 'but these things were debunked years ago', err, no they weren't.   I saw a programme over here that sought to explain the American flag waving, twisting and fluttering, when there is no atmosphere on the moon.   What they did was spread sand on the floor in the experiment - to simulate moondust! - then they assured the viewers that ALL windows and doors were closed.   In this 'experiment' the flag moved and swayed, and the presenters said 'look the flag is moving and ALL doors and windows are shut!  There that finally explains how the flag moved, swayed, waved and fluttered on the moon'.   AND people at home said 'yeah, explain that away you doubting Moon loons?!'

It's been tested in a complete vacuum, to accurately debunk that waving flag argument. Here's a fun little mythbuster video as one example!

Mythbusters Moon Hoax Flag Flapping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhab86KoVjU#)

Quote from: cynthialee on November 28, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
I will!!!!!

The Royal Navy has centuries of blood on their hands, all to make Englishmen the masters of the all they can be. The SS only got a couple of decades in before they were stoped......
The English still enjoy mastery of the globe in many places.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes)

http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/visions_reflections/british_empire (http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/visions_reflections/british_empire)

The Royal Navy like all military personnel was but executing orders,not making policies. The links you provided does not include any example of "atrocities" perpetrated by the Royal Navy personal. I am sure a few events may had happen, like in any army, but overall the Royal Navy has always conducted according to the rules of engagement.

The SS was not a part of the German military but rather a paramilitary group of extremist, the comparison with the Royal Navy is unfair and unwarranted.

No country, nation, or ethic group is free of having shed some "Innocent" blood, but there is quiet a difference between excesses of war and bl antant genocide.

As a matter of fact the British Empire or England, or more specifically the Royal Navy has never been implicated in any genocide in modern times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll)

Please note that that the genocide of the American Natives was perpetrated by almost all European powers, including the Brits, but that was 500 years ago.

Doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago or 500.
The people of the UK have a standard of living directly atributable to atrocities comited by the Empire.

Quote from: cynthialee on November 28, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
Doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago or 500.
The people of the UK have a standard of living directly attributable to atrocities committed by the Empire.

Wow ! What an epiphany ! So since we all at some point in our past have had a relative who oppressed somebody, then following your logic, then it it is like nobody alive is free of sin.

Um! maybe the christian are right and that is our original sin ! What to do ? Wait, I just found Jesus, and accepted him as my savior, I am free from any sin !

So, on behave of her Majesty the Queen of England I accept Jesus as the savior of the Royal Navy, and as such the Royal Navy is here absolve of any sins.

Anybody wants to do that for the SS germans ?

Gee, that was a close one Cynthia !

Anybody wants to do that for the SS germans ?

St. Ronnie did.  Or did you forget your Bonzo Goes to Bitburg moment.  And 'para' military or not, the SS troops were buried at military cemeteries with full military honors.


The Royal Navy like all military personnel was but executing orders
Even the ethically retarded don't buy the 'I was just following orders' line - at least not after Nuremberg.  You've got to come with something that has a scintilla, a smidgen, at least one iota, of common sense and while still being 100% morally vapid, at least it could claim that it drove past the House of Morality once.

No Evil Shall Escape My Sight (but I'm going to ignore all the Evil I like).

Tell you what, why don't we stop talking about the USA, England, Scotland, etc., stop talking about the SS, Nazi Germany scientists and talk about why you think the landing on the moon was a Fraud, or was real.

It makes no difference where the scientists came from, politics makes no difference, Was it Real or Not.

Again, What Does this have to do with the Topic at Hand??

Please no more responses about Nazi's, SS, etc.

Ha-Ha! Happy Girl! has definitely manipulated us all!

This thread isn't about conspiracy theories....its about her. :laugh:

I call for a lock on this thread!

It has deteriorated from a ridiculous initial proposition to a derisive confrontational situation bordering on flamewar.

That is not the purpose of this forum, of the general population of the members, or Susan's place philosophy.

No one is going to change their mind on the original statement, no effective information of any sort is being conveyed.

Kill it, kill it now!

-Sandy

I started to remove messages, but there are just too many of them.

This topic has gone too far astray to bring back, so it is Locked.

With your mind in mind, Annah!

(Still locked though!)