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I showed my husband some of the pictures on this site this evening and he thought I was playing games.  He thought women on this site were cisgendered.  When I took him into the before and after thread he was stunned. He couldn't figure out how it was possible.


Then I told him my impressions on the discussion on passing.  He was not in agreement on most of the details I pointed out about passing. 

I was bold, I pointed out upper lip hair,  strong jaw lines,  adams apples, hair lines, etc etc etc.

He said "they just look like regular women to me."

He then said an interesting thing,  he said "these women are the worst people to judge each other because they are looking too hard."  I thought this was interesting.


Here are my guidelines for the thread.   

1,   Post a picture of yourself and a description of the kind of woman you want to look like. 


2,   Be willing to wait a few days,  I'm gonna show it to cisgender men women in a respectful way.


3.  Ignore the jealous bitter comments and focus on your goal.


Let's see how it goes.

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All these pictures are pre-HRT so... yeah.
I don't have nice pictures since I started hormones, I've kinda been dyking it out.
let's get some opinions~

*edit*
oh.
who do i want to look like?

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Mellissa(right), b*tch is flaw-less~

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This picture was taken at about 5.5 months HRT, and about 15 laser sessions on my face.

I'm not sure how to describe the type of woman I'd like to look like.

ooo perfect, these are the opportunities I've been dying for

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these are my best pictures I think. so whichever you choose to show. or all of them haha. these opportunities are big to me. hence why ive been posting on 4chan a lot. I dont pass there though

here are some girls I want to look like
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Quote from: kelly_aus on November 27, 2011, 01:13:38 AM
Eve, you only don't pass to those who are willing to make a song and dance about it.. Some, like me, think you look great..

:3

I appreciate that I really do. I just have so much trouble seeing it. i stand in front of the mirror almost everyday and focus so hard on seeing it but I only see my male "flaws"

I try hard to pass to people who dont know. every time i do I feel fantastic. and every time i dont I get this strong drive to do better the next time. In a way this is how I'm transitioning. kinda like jumping into the ocean to learn how to swim.

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I just want to be me. I dont have anyone I want to look like. Just me. ^_^
And I kind of understand what your husband said. We do look at each other through a microscope. But I also understand why we do.

Women who have had a big affect on me include my Mum, Aunt and cousins [ my cousins were the closest thing I had to Sisters ], Major Kusanagi from Ghost In The Shell, P!nk [ She has a lot of songs that inspire me ]

Quote from: Keaira on November 27, 2011, 01:46:26 AM
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I just want to be me. I dont have anyone I want to look like. Just me. ^_^
And I kind of understand what your husband said. We do look at each other through a microscope. But I also understand why we do.

maaaaaybe its just the hat, glasses, and hair color but you remind me of my friend megan

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Megan has good taste. ^_^
And thanks. :D

I have a straight male friend who is afraid of saying trans women pass XD

Ive shown him a couple of pics of trans women that i think pass and hes said "nah you can totally tell" and been picking flaws out. So i did something a little mean and mixed it upa  bit and threw a few pics of cis-women in without telling him and again he was like "nah you can totally tell".

He was pretty embarressed when i told him :P

Please!!! We already have a "do i pass" thread ongoing... and we are desperate enough to succumb to this due to a straight man's final judgment? ::)

Quote from: MsDazzler on November 27, 2011, 04:57:19 AM
Please!!! We already have a "do i pass" thread ongoing... and we are desperate enough to succumb to this due to a straight man's final judgment? ::)

its completely different...

this is more of a "can i pass to a stranger who doesnt know I'm trans".

its an environment where someone doesnt feel like they have to be nice. to a person who wont be looking at passing.

and besides she just said cisgender men and women. who knows/cares what their sexual orientation is. the point is they wont be looking at us in terms of pass-ability. its basically a passing test. whereas the "do I pass" thread is more of an advice thread on how to pass better...or at least thats the way I see it.

Joey D

You are one of the pictures I showed him last night and he could not believe you are not cisgendered.  So I can answer yours right away.   He said you were hot.


And btw the reason I thought this was so amusing is that my husband rarely thinks women I know are attractive, so having him go through the thread and saying "Wow she's pretty cute"  over and over was very interesting to me.


EveofChaos,  he didn't like your hair color, (that's just him) but totally pass.   You were also one of the pictures I showed him last night.  And I showed him the cisgender pix and he thought you looked more feminine.  By that point he knew what was going on in the thread and did the same everyone else did, clocked her and said you looked more feminine.   He said you were really cute.


Kiera also you had pix up last night.  I tried to point out the faint facial hair and again.   He was not seeing it,  just she looks like a regular girl.   So pass.



The reason I started this thread is that I believe that the other thread has kind of gotten mean.    I see some people playing into thread drama and knowing people's insecurities and so going for it.   So here you have someone who has no reason to lie.   



Also I wanted people to post someone they want to look like so we get the goals straight and don't project our own preferences on to the other person.


When I look at the pictures on this site I will ask myself  "If I walked into the store and this person was behind the counter would I immediately think this was a trans"    And yes there are a few people on this site that unfortunately I would.  But most just look like a woman.

If I look at pictures and say "wow, I don't like the hair color or ,  she should do her eyebrows, or wow she needs to lose some weight etc,  that really has nothing to do with Passing.  It has to do with pushing women to look like what I THINK a woman should look like.

And since everyone has personal preferences,  it's going to jerk a person all over the place.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on November 27, 2011, 12:07:22 AM
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This picture was taken at about 5.5 months HRT, and about 15 laser sessions on my face.

I'm not sure how to describe the type of woman I'd like to look like.

Totally pass.   Your statement that you're not sure the kind of woman you'd like to be is reflected in your pix.  You've got the sexy bottom half and the Susan Boyle eyebrows and hair going on.  Is that your preference or do you just not know where to go with it yet.

Not sure about that but you totally pass.   You do look older than I imagine you are because you aren't gussified.  So consider that.

Women I'd suggest as an inspiration for you.

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They are wearing lots of make up in the pix and I don't necessarily think you need make up to pass.   So consider them without makeup. 

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It doesn't seem so in this picture but I have big shoulders and giant upper back muscles. Help?

Quote from: Eve of Chaos on November 27, 2011, 01:08:57 AM
ooo perfect, these are the opportunities I've been dying for

these are my best pictures I think. so whichever you choose to show. or all of them haha. these opportunities are big to me. hence why ive been posting on 4chan a lot. I dont pass there though

here are some girls I want to look like

I love your skulls tshirt. Also, don't post photos on 4chan. Nobody needs that for their self-esteem. I have a friend that looks great irl but was called an ugly ->-bleeped-<- there.

Edit: As far as passing, I wouldn't give you a second look if I saw you on the street.

Quote from: ♥ Alyssa Case ♥ on November 27, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
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It doesn't seem so in this picture but I have big shoulders and giant upper back muscles. Help?

A lot of that muscle mass should go down with estrogen. A lot of girls find that their frame shrinks just from the loss of muscle mass, so there's hope!

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It doesn't seem so in this picture but I have big shoulders and giant upper back muscles. Help?

the angled look down seems to draw attention to your brow.  If I saw you I'd think you were androgynous.   Not totally guy. 

One of the things I think is helpful for any young woman perfecting her style and look is to have a source of inspiration.   One of my younger sisters was sort of a "nerdy geeky" gal and for years she was resentful of me and my look.   I had emulated Annie Lennox and sort of the adrongynous tall blonde woman and I used to get alot of attention when we were out.  Whereas she was overlooked.

She'd cry about not getting attention and finally I told her she looked like Jennifer Aniston,  Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Mira Sorvino type women.  So she had a path to follow and got her hair styled that way, emulated the clothing styles and switched to funky glasses.  Then she felt really cute and hot.

IMO it was more her attitude change that got her the attention than the look but the looks helped too.

So having an inspiration and not looking at other women to feel "less than" is very important.   


I will never be a cheerleader type.  I don't have long hair and I'm an amazon.  But I take my strengths and run with it.  So that is why I think it is really important to have an inspiration.

Maybe I'll change the title of the thread.

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
the angled look down seems to draw attention to your brow.  If I saw you I'd think you were androgynous.   Not totally guy.

If I saw only that pic and had no further information, I would think that it was a Cis-guy with no "hints" about anything else regarding Gender-identity. Although I would think that the shoulders were very slim for sitting on a guy.

However, if I saw her in real life, I would most likely immediately know that the person was a female, as the personae would then shine through the facade, so to speak.

I just started transing a few months ago, mostly in my personality and hair length. No biodentical hormone boosts or any gender specialist visits yet. This is all natural and COMPLETELY CIS. I started behaving like a girl and my body shows it, slightly.

ANY CIS GUY would look like me if they behaved that way and oh like I believe your attitude affects your hormones.

And technically I still do look like a guy if I were to go into "boy mode". I'm just beginning a LONG journey. I'm probably not even 1% to where I want to be yet.

Quote from: ♥ Alyssa Case ♥ on November 27, 2011, 11:29:11 AM
I just started transing a few months ago, mostly in my personality and hair length. No biodentical hormone boosts or any gender specialist visits yet. This is all natural and COMPLETELY CIS. I started behaving like a girl and my body shows it, slightly.

ANY CIS GUY would look like me if they behaved that way and oh like I believe your attitude affects your hormones.

That is a very interesting concept. I  wonder if it has scientific evidence to back it up.  I totally agree.   :angel:

Okay, I seriously don't mean to "burst your bubble" or anything but, I am quite confused by your posts Alyssa.  And mixie I sincerely apologize but I feel some blunt honesty is in order.  Alyssa, you say you just began transitioning a few months ago, and I quote...

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mostly in my personality and hair length. No biodentical hormone boosts or any gender specialist visits yet. This is all natural and COMPLETELY CIS. I started behaving like a girl and my body shows it, slightly.

So just to sum this up as I get into the next part, your transition currently entails only hair growth and personality changes.  Next you say, and I again quote...

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ANY CIS GUY would look like me if they behaved that way and oh like I believe your attitude affects your hormones.

What exactly does this mean?  Behavior affects the impression we get of people and from time to time it can act as a mask, sure, but lift the mask and you'll find that physical looks remain the same.  A photograph sometimes is the greatest way to see whether someone passes because there are few masks (unless digitally edited, of course).

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And technically I still do look like a guy if I were to go into "boy mode".

Perhaps you could post a photograph entailing the differences between you in "boy mode" and "girl mode", as based upon the photos you've posted in the past and now, I've only seen what appears to be, one mode, and it leans towards masculine.

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Transition takes work, a lot of work.  If you want an honest opinion, here's mine.  You have potential as does every other girl who posts here, but you need to work that potential to get somewhere.  Growing your hair out is a great start and you have great looking hair, so I don't doubt it'll do you well.  I am confused, however, by what I took your words to mean, transitioning via personality.  Perhaps if you could elaborate, I'd gain a better understanding.

My ending opinion, you have potential, but you do not pass yet.  As far as attitude affecting hormones, perhaps in some ways.  I know I'll get s* for this post, but I cannot sit back while people paint an illusion in others minds.  And while I certainly do not agree with overdoing it to pass, I do feel some blunt honesty needs to be projected or else people are just being given false hope.

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i really want to look like her one day, Olga the super model :)

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i really want to look like her one day, Olga the super model :)

He said total pass.   "She looks like the girl from Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps"

Aka

Carey Mulligan.

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Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 27, 2011, 01:26:21 PM
Okay, I seriously don't mean to "burst your bubble" or anything but, I am quite confused by your posts Alyssa.  And mixie I sincerely apologize but I feel some blunt honesty is in order.  Alyssa, you say you just began transitioning a few months ago, and I quote...

So just to sum this up as I get into the next part, your transition currently entails only hair growth and personality changes.  Next you say, and I again quote...

What exactly does this mean?  Behavior affects the impression we get of people and from time to time it can act as a mask, sure, but lift the mask and you'll find that physical looks remain the same.  A photograph sometimes is the greatest way to see whether someone passes because there are few masks (unless digitally edited, of course).

Perhaps you could post a photograph entailing the differences between you in "boy mode" and "girl mode", as based upon the photos you've posted in the past and now, I've only seen what appears to be, one mode, and it leans towards masculine.

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Transition takes work, a lot of work.  If you want an honest opinion, here's mine.  You have potential as does every other girl who posts here, but you need to work that potential to get somewhere.  Growing your hair out is a great start and you have great looking hair, so I don't doubt it'll do you well.  I am confused, however, by what I took your words to mean, transitioning via personality.  Perhaps if you could elaborate, I'd gain a better understanding.

My ending opinion, you have potential, but you do not pass yet.  As far as attitude affecting hormones, perhaps in some ways.  I know I'll get s* for this post, but I cannot sit back while people paint an illusion in others minds.  And while I certainly do not agree with overdoing it to pass, I do feel some blunt honesty needs to be projected or else people are just being given false hope.

Love you and love your honesty as always.  But the reason I started this thread was to completely avoid people deciding to be honest for people's own good.

The idea that if someone's opinion isn't in agreement with yours that they aren't being "honest" is biased.  The other thread is doing that sort of deal.

It is really important for people to explain their goal to me in this thread.   This way people know what you want to be instead of shoving you into categories of what we think you are supposed to be.


If you take Tilda Swinton for example,  she's a woman who doesn't conform to a specific standard.  If that is someone's goal that is completely different than wanting to look like Pamela Anderson or wanting to look like Hilary Clinton or wanting to look like Angelica Houston or wanting to look like Kim Kardashian or Selena Gomez or or or.

There are as many different styles of beauty as there are women.

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 02:10:35 PM

Love you and love your honesty as always.  But the reason I started this thread was to completely avoid people deciding to be honest for people's own good.

The idea that if someone's opinion isn't in agreement with yours that they aren't being "honest" is biased.  The other thread is doing that sort of deal.

It is really important for people to explain their goal to me in this thread.   This way people know what you want to be instead of shoving you into categories of what we think you are supposed to be.


If you take Tilda Swinton for example,  she's a woman who doesn't conform to a specific standard.  If that is someone's goal that is completely different than wanting to look like Pamela Anderson or wanting to look like Hilary Clinton or wanting to look like Angelica Houston or wanting to look like Kim Kardashian or Selena Gomez or or or.

There are as many different styles of beauty as there are women.

I don't intend on over running your thread and again I apologize, but I'll say again (and then I'm out, I promise) what I've always said to perhaps offer my overall perspective despite being the one offering advice (and Alyssa, make sure you read this)...

Take advice for a grain of salt.  Make your own educated decision on what goals you need to achieve for self-happiness.  Receiving advice does not mean you must follow and act on the advice.  If my advice helps you, awesome.  If my advice doesn't help you, awesome.  Diversity is beautiful.  Advice is opinionated, not fact; take it for what it's worth to you.

Quote from: JoeyD on November 26, 2011, 11:58:05 PM
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All these pictures are pre-HRT so... yeah.
I don't have nice pictures since I started hormones, I've kinda been dyking it out.
let's get some opinions~

*edit*
oh.
who do i want to look like?

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Mellissa(right), b*tch is flaw-less~

Joey you know you totally pass, you cheater!!! lol  ::) oh and by the way you look way cuter than that Melissa girl, :o  in my opinion.

Ok so ive been out about being trans for merely 2 months and I only just recently started on HRT last week. That being said, here is a picture of me with just a wig and some eye liner on, freshly shaven.. haha thats the worst, Ive got pale skin and dark hair so even after shaving you can still see a shadow. Either way, for just starting, i figure in a few years ill be passable... I hope

Taken first day of HRT (I hope my hair actually looks like that in a couple years)
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He says you look fake because of the wig, so it's hard to tell.  The wig doesn't "pass" so it's difficult for him to judge you.  But you don't look like a guy in a wig, you look like a woman in a fake wig. 


Who is your inspiration!!   Follow the rules !  LOL

Advice for Kylie :D :

You can be passable now imo with the right outfit.

Wear shirts with a lower cut neck.
V-necks are nice(and addictive).
If you have dark hair and pale skin, you're gonna be an awesome candidate for laser (:
I suggest you start asap :D

Is that wig good quality?
I can't tell in the picture, but if it is then I suggest getting it cut professionally, the length is a little too long.

Imo long hair only makes a long face look longer and more gaunt.

Ooh, do me!
This is me 8 months in.

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And this is me in a year or two! Eh, well, I can dream :)

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oh my god Eve he just about DIED last night when I showed him your before and after. He could not understand it at all.  I had to tutor him a little on hormone therapy. He was FLOORED when he saw your picture.  He said the before looked like one of his Greek friends, really cute but that you were "really hot" and how did that happen.

So you are sort of my poster child for before and afters.  He also was stunned by Sarah's.


Personally I think you are prettier than Ann Hathaway or the other chick.   I bet others would agree.

I had this up last night but took it down.  Now curiosity has got the best of me... may take it down again, but I'll leave it for now.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforestatnight.com%2Fsusans%2F2011-11-25%252021.54.02.jpg&hash=6eb2bbc93d498c6aa6e9fce7fcd4941b9edd72e9) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforestatnight.com%2Fsusans%2F2011-09-05%252016.05.20.jpg&hash=5cc18d6d0272189206abebe7a8c7c3aa79a01287)

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What kind of woman do I want to look like?  This might seem really narcissistic, but I like how I look and wouldn't want to look any different.  Maybe smaller feet and hands, but nothing else.

He said "totally pass and she knows it."

LOL

Zoe, you remind me a little of Pauley Perrette in some ways.

I get a Kristin Wiig vibe.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collider.com%2Fuploads%2FimageGallery%2FKristen_Wiig%2Fkristen_wiig__2_.jpg&hash=2b37619a89ad4a4b4643f469818e9c23fe7c6de5)


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Im getting laser this christmas thankfully

And yes i know the wig looks fake, but ive got super short hair and look like a total boy without it. It was a super cheap wig like 30 bucks and I dont plan to wear it out or anything, infact i only wore it to take the picture, otherwise i dont wear it, I dont like wigs. But even still like i said I just recently came out like barely 2 months ago, Im no where near full time yet. I want to grow out my hair because youre right the wig doesn't make me pass. I need my real hair to grow, I was just seeing what you all think for just being brand spanking new to this.

As for whom im trying to look like, I didn't have a set person in mind. I've got my own styles. And I dont personally feel like I resemble anyone aside from my cousin in my family lol so i guess im trying to look more like her?

And ive got 0 women's clothes, Ive got a pair of jeans thats it. Ive got a long way to go I get that.

Quote from: KylieFramed on November 27, 2011, 05:20:46 PM
Im getting laser this christmas thankfully

And yes i know the wig looks fake, but ive got super short hair and look like a total boy without it. It was a super cheap wig like 30 bucks and I dont plan to wear it out or anything, infact i only wore it to take the picture, otherwise i dont wear it, I dont like wigs. But even still like i said I just recently came out like barely 2 months ago, Im no where near full time yet. I want to grow out my hair because youre right the wig doesn't make me pass. I need my real hair to grow, I was just seeing what you all think for just being brand spanking new to this.

As for whom im trying to look like, I didn't have a set person in mind. I've got my own styles. And I dont personally feel like I resemble anyone aside from my cousin in my family lol so i guess im trying to look more like her?

And ive got 0 women's clothes, Ive got a pair of jeans thats it. Ive got a long way to go I get that.

One of the things I used to do years ago that my drag queen friends adored (not that I'm saying anyone here is a DQ) but I used to wear turtle neck shirts upside down.    IF you are skinny enough you wear the turtleneck part around your waist.  Then you drop the "bottom" of the shirt towards your back like a drape.

When I was broke I used to do this all the time.  And it it gave an hourglass sort of shape to it.   Try it out.


Also hubby says it's not going to work very well that he's commenting because now that he knows his judgment is getting skewed so probably we got till the end of the night for this thread and I"m not going to ask him any more.


But I can try to ask some friends I know if you want.  Whatever can help.

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on November 27, 2011, 05:09:51 PM
I had this up last night but took it down.  Now curiosity has got the best of me... may take it down again, but I'll leave it for now.

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What kind of woman do I want to look like?  This might seem really narcissistic, but I like how I look and wouldn't want to look any different.  Maybe smaller feet and hands, but nothing else.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg839.imageshack.us%2Fimg839%2F7451%2F2defbbc9f2c06ab88ba86c1.jpg&hash=144a6945490cd8c7adfb19098b9ee43cfed2d0f4) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/2defbbc9f2c06ab88ba86c1.jpg/)

:P

Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 27, 2011, 05:15:09 PM
Zoe, you remind me a little of Pauley Perrette in some ways.

Actually...?  She's a total icon of mine! ;D  The very first time I attacked my eyebrows with a tweezer, I had a pic of her up on my computer as a guide because I knew her face structure was a lot like mine.

Now this one WILL be taken down shortly, but want to see some before pictures that will blow your mind?  Never mind the silly graphics on that Christmas one.  My sister did that in-camera back when she took the picture! lol




(No more of that...)

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on November 27, 2011, 05:30:01 PM
Actually...?  She's a total icon of mine! ;D  The very first time I attacked my eyebrows with a tweezer, I had a pic of her up on my computer as a guide because I knew her face structure was a lot like mine.

Now this one WILL be taken down shortly, but want to see some before pictures that will blow your mind?  Never mind the silly graphics on that Christmas one.  My sister did that in-camera back when she took the picture! lol

Does not compute.   NFW,  (lots of no ways etc etc etc.  LOL) anyway he is still new to all this and doesn't understand.  He says "But they could just "be women" and no one would ever know"   I said yes some of them do and that's called going stealth.   He's freaking out.   



From Zoë: only edited out my old pictures, nothing else!  Sorry, Mixie, I only wanted those up for a few minutes. ;)

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on November 27, 2011, 05:30:01 PM
Actually...?  She's a total icon of mine! ;D  The very first time I attacked my eyebrows with a tweezer, I had a pic of her up on my computer as a guide because I knew her face structure was a lot like mine.

Awesome!  I love her too.

You have certainly come a long way!  It is hard to believe it's you in those before pics.

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 05:33:32 PM

Does not compute.   NFW,  (lots of no ways etc etc etc.  LOL) anyway he is still new to all this and doesn't understand.  He says "But they could just "be women" and no one would ever know"   I said yes some of them do and that's called going stealth.   He's freaking out.

Say yes way... I still have that Union Jack t-shirt! ;D  Never really wear it, but it's still around.

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Zoe, I love the one with the crown. you look very different now. ^_^
This was me, just about 6 or 8 months before HRT
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Taken 20 mins ago,  and yes, no make-up on. :P
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I look so happy in the first picture. LOL

Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 27, 2011, 05:37:34 PM
Awesome!  I love her too.

You have certainly come a long way!  It is hard to believe it's you in those before pics.

By the way, to those who don't think hormones can work very quickly, we didn't get my dosages right until March of this year and so I've only been on full HRT for 8 months.  The six months prior to that, my T was still stuck at 650 and I hadn't had any changes as a result.

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on November 27, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
By the way, to those who don't think hormones can work very quickly, we didn't get my dosages right until March of this year and so I've only been on full HRT for 8 months.  The six months prior to that, my T was still stuck at 650 and I hadn't had any changes as a result.

Very true. I was on a very low dosage of estradiol for 4 months and I'm probably still at a fairly low dosage compared to others I know. But my skin cleared up amazingly in the 1st 2 months.

Wish this thread was moved to "Just For Us" and then I might post.

Until then personally myself I try to channel..  ;D

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Quote from: Keaira on November 27, 2011, 05:42:59 PM
Zoe, I love the one with the crown. you look very different now. ^_^
This was me, just about 6 or 8 months before HRT
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Taken 20 mins ago,  and yes, no make-up on. :P
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I look so happy in the first picture. LOL

You look like a sociopath in the first pix,  and I'm sure it's no coincidence that you are standing in front of the shower ala Anthony Perkins.


Really cute now.   

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 06:08:44 PM

You look like a sociopath in the first pix,  and I'm sure it's no coincidence that you are standing in front of the shower ala Anthony Perkins.


Really cute now.

LMAO! Thanks. I was living with my In-Laws at the time. That was nothing to be happy about, I can tell you. Would you prefer this one?
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Here is a great fun site where you can morph your face in with a celebrity face and get the results.


http://www.morphthing.com/ (http://www.morphthing.com/)

What a stellar idea, Mixier!  Thanks so much for starting this thread!  Here's a face and a body pic:

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What I'd love to see in the mirror:

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Quote from: Keaira on November 27, 2011, 06:13:05 PM
LMAO! Thanks. I was living with my In-Laws at the time. That was nothing to be happy about, I can tell you. Would you prefer this one?
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So cute.  Some of your befores on here are really hot in both genders and you are very lucky people.  You got to be a hot guy and gorgeous girl as well.

Quote from: Cadence Jean on November 27, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
What a stellar idea, Mixier!  Thanks so much for starting this thread!  Here's a face and a body pic:

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What I'd love to see in the mirror:

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Total pass,  he thinks you look "cool" and likes your haircut.   Your inspiration is gorgeous.   You are beautiful.  He says "If I didn't know there is no way I would know"

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 09:46:39 AM

Totally pass.   Your statement that you're not sure the kind of woman you'd like to be is reflected in your pix.  You've got the sexy bottom half and the Susan Boyle eyebrows and hair going on.  Is that your preference or do you just not know where to go with it yet.

Not sure about that but you totally pass.   You do look older than I imagine you are because you aren't gussified.  So consider that.

Women I'd suggest as an inspiration for you.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetslyrics.com%2Fimages%2Fimg_gal%2F8758_Lisa%2BStansfield.jpg&hash=9bbb30306d63942e5af5419f3124c2d774cc1e07)



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They are wearing lots of make up in the pix and I don't necessarily think you need make up to pass.   So consider them without makeup.

I had to think for a minute to remember who Susan Boyle is.

By the way, I'm 42. How old do you think I look? And, what do you mean by "gussified?"

BTW, was that opinion yours or your husbands? or both. Just curious. :)

No that last one was just mine!  sorry LOL

Okay, despite being a posed photo that was taken by a professional photographer, I think this is a more natural image.

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In the other one I uploaded to this thread, I was doing everything I could to force the cleavage to appear. This is just me sitting at a table.

This picture is me in 2008
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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-27

This is me about a week ago

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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-01

Raquel Welch inspires me

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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-27

Sure, why not?  No makeup or anything 'coz I'm about to go to sleep.  I did pick a flattering angle though. :angel:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi762.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx263%2FAmySmiles729%2FMe%2Fboredness.jpg&hash=b89c76cfadc719d5a0f33869476b077a433a7bda)

No one inspires my look that I know of.  I don't really follow celebrities.  I'd be curious to know who you think I could take pointers from though. :)

You are your own Celebrity then... :laugh:

I deleted my previous post, but I'll post again.. :)

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This is September 2011

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This is October 2011

My aim is simple, I only want to look like a female member of my family.. So my inspiration is my mum and my aunts..

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on November 27, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Okay, despite being a posed photo that was taken by a professional photographer, I think this is a more natural image.

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In the other one I uploaded to this thread, I was doing everything I could to force the cleavage to appear. This is just me sitting at a table.

Yeah totally pass, and you look younger in this one.  The last one you looked like you were in your 50s.   He says you look like his aunt.   She's Greek. 

Quote from: kelly_aus on November 27, 2011, 11:06:30 PM
I deleted my previous post, but I'll post again.. :)

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This is September 2011

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This is October 2011

My aim is simple, I only want to look like a female member of my family.. So my inspiration is my mum and my aunts..

Yep "it's harder to be as complementary when it's not 20 year olds"  but you do.  AAAAND which is funny he said you looked British.  I told him you were from Australia and he said "close enough" 

Odd eh?

You look like Vanessa Redgrave to me in your facial structure.

Quote from: AmySmiles on November 27, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
Sure, why not?  No makeup or anything 'coz I'm about to go to sleep.  I did pick a flattering angle though. :angel:

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No one inspires my look that I know of.  I don't really follow celebrities.  I'd be curious to know who you think I could take pointers from though. :)

Yes you pass of course.   You look like this blonde doctor on ER or one of this hospital shows.  It's going to drive me crazy until I remember who it is.  GRRRR

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
Yeah totally pass, and you look younger in this one.  The last one you looked like you were in your 50s.   He says you look like his aunt.   She's Greek.

Well, at least in the other one I looked mature, not like some middle-aged man trying to look like a younger woman.

On the topic of ethnicity, I'm half Italian on my mother's side.

Quote from: monica93304 on November 27, 2011, 10:20:05 PM
This picture is me in 2008
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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-27

This is me about a week ago

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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-01

Raquel Welch inspires me

"A bit "hoochie mama" but yeah pass."   He says you should come to Brooklyn you would fit right in.


Honestly I think he's so shocked because he didn't realize how well women could pass.   So there ya go.

I hope we didn't miss anyone but he's off to bed and I don't think he's up to doing it again.   Besides he said.

"That's the point, it gets harder to be objective now that I know."

Which is what he was saying in the first place.


Night all!

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By bimmergirl93304 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bimmergirl93304) at 2011-11-27

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 11:52:25 PM

If I get called a "Hoochie Mama" it's a compliment!

And I would move to Brooklyn in an instant.  To think of it, I may move to NYC someday...

Just an idea, but if 100% honest opinions on apparence and who pass or not is the goal, then wouldn't it be better to show the uploaded pics for a bunch of strangers instead, and then write down the voting-results by each and everyone to each photo?
Or perhaps even better; the pics could potentially also be printed out in Photocopies that could be shown to random strangers on the street, which would be a much better option for honest opinions, as the current guy giving the opinions on each photo already knows that each and everyone is MTF, and not the least, he is only one person whos opinions may be very biased.

The only way to do a thing like this would be in a true survey-style, really.

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I'll never look as good as her :( but I'll do my best

You are your own Celebrity then

Really the only way to go.

Quote from: Bishounen on November 28, 2011, 08:05:39 AM
Just an idea, but if 100% honest opinions on apparence and who pass or not is the goal, then wouldn't it be better to show the uploaded pics for a bunch of strangers instead, and then write down the voting-results by each and everyone to each photo?
Or perhaps even better; the pics could potentially also be printed out in Photocopies that could be shown to random strangers on the street, which would be a much better option for honest opinions, as the current guy giving the opinions on each photo already knows that each and everyone is MTF, and not the least, he is only one person whos opinions may be very biased.

The only way to do a thing like this would be in a true survey-style, really.

This is true, it's why he stopped doing it.   But at the same time I do know certain people that I showed him and he did think I was joking.  So I know for certain that several people in this thread for sure he said passed.


But I agree with the second part.   I was going to close the thread but actually maybe someone can think of a way to do it.

Quote from: mixie on November 27, 2011, 06:55:23 PM

Total pass,  he thinks you look "cool" and likes your haircut.   Your inspiration is gorgeous.   You are beautiful.  He says "If I didn't know there is no way I would know"

Thanx, Mixie.  That's a super confidence booster. ^_^  Please pass along the thanx to your hubbie too!

I don't really have a look yet but here is mine!
(//)

Quote from: lonely girl on November 28, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
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I'll never look as good as her :( but I'll do my best

i love seohyun and snsd<3

Quote from: kelly_aus on November 27, 2011, 11:06:30 PM
I deleted my previous post, but I'll post again.. :)

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This is September 2011

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This is October 2011

My aim is simple, I only want to look like a female member of my family.. So my inspiration is my mum and my aunts..

I think you'll absolutely hate me for saying this, but for some reason you remind me of Julia Gxxxxxx

OK I'll play

Me pre anything, OOO nasty
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About a year HRT, tried to go girly girl, pink everything but that didn't really work for me.
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Last summer, some sun but mostly spray tan ;)
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I kinda go for the Darra Torres look :)
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I look myself and look your photos, fear and envy mixes togheter in my blood, don't want to share drops of them, they will be my secret, but i confess i'll never look enough as myself

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on December 02, 2011, 05:47:21 AM
OK I'll play

Me pre anything, OOO nasty
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About a year HRT, tried to go girly girl, pink everything but that didn't really work for me.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XtpLEZyk3sM/SQncYpLeRKI/AAAAAAAAABU/GBUrerqOKFM/s800/Cyndi1.jpg)

Last summer, some sun but mostly spray tan ;)
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I kinda go for the Darra Torres look :)
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Funny, you got muscles like a "Real man" and yet you look like a Bio-woman on the pic where you flex your biceps.
Now that's something not everyone can get away with. :P

Your face did go through a serious transformation, by the way. Did you do a skinpeel or something or did it smoothen out that much by the hormones?

Oh, and I just have to ask now; IS it Dara in your avatar or is it you?

HRT has been very kind most people say I lost 10 years but look at my jaw line that stands out the most and I hate it, if had anything it would be my forehead and jaw AND RoC Retinol plus other skin moisturizers, eye brow shaping and a perm AND that's little ole's me in my avatar :) OH and my brown tinted contacts, I love deep brown sultry eyes :)

Somthing about this makes me wounder, I never based my look on anyone... at one point I woundered if I should have a "personal hero" then I realized nobody had gone through what I had... so it was stupid to base myself off them...
I only ever fought to be myself. however myself at the time I begun my transition was a person completely devoted to doing well in their degree and becoming a better scientist and learning new things aswell as commited to making my transition work.

While I was always a massive science Geek I never really looked like one... however after transitioning I did notice that I HAD actually aquired an almost sterotyped look of a girl who was obsessed with science. Frizzled uncontrolable hair usually tied back, Glasses to deal with worsening myopia, dark eye rings due to hard nights and early morning starts. ghastly pale skin with geeky freckles.

It was never my intention I didn't really care as long as I was reasonably passable whitch happened. But where I didn't care about who I was becoming, my very enviroment immersed and bled into me to influence my physical appearance and who I ultimately became... O.o

The person who inspires me is my mother. I look like her with a more masculine face. So, any woman who looks like me with female face could be my inspiration, but I haven´t found anyone in google. I´ve found lots of beautiful women that I admire, but they will never be an inspiration to reach my goal, because it would be an imposible goal.

Mixie, could you please use my avatar picture? The hair is composed in photoshop and so the make up, though is my face. Thank you.

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I don't think I would have a good pass rate right now but once I start HRT I hope that will improve. I'm tired of looking all boyish  :(

I cannot think of anyone who I want to look like, because I want to look ethereal, like a goddess.  :)

@Pretty, Wow, you look fantastic! You pass with flying colors to me girl!

Quote from: pretty on December 02, 2011, 07:19:45 PM


I'm tired of looking all boyish  :(

lol boyish lol

You pass to me already.

Yeah pretty, you definitely already pass in that photo.

Huh, thank you everyone for the compliments. I guess I have trouble seeing it most of the time :)

Quote from: Cadence Jean on November 27, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
What a stellar idea, Mixier!  Thanks so much for starting this thread!  Here's a face and a body pic:

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What I'd love to see in the mirror:

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You totally pass. You actually look like a girl I used to date.

Quote from: Beverley on December 03, 2011, 04:00:59 AM
Pretty - you pass.

Beverley

I guess it really is easier to see it when you know. My bf also said if he didn't already know he might have no idea from looking at me.

But I think you develop higher standards too when you get used to the "trans look".

Quote from: Beverley on December 04, 2011, 03:24:59 AM
I wish I had your hair. It absolutely glorious.

Beverley

Haha thank you, I need to get it layered though.

Quote from: pretty on December 02, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
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I don't think I would have a good pass rate right now but once I start HRT I hope that will improve. I'm tired of looking all boyish  :(

I cannot think of anyone who I want to look like, because I want to look ethereal, like a goddess.  :)

WOW!!!!!!

Before
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After 12 months hrt 84lbs latter(hrt easiest weight loss plan ever for me i just shed the pounds when i started)
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Wish i had as dramitic of results. :-) maybe oneday

Not sure who imspires me.....Probably just every female i see.

Quote from: mandyh92 on December 04, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
Before
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After 12 months hrt 84lbs latter(hrt easiest weight loss plan ever for me i just shed the pounds when i started)
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Wish i had as dramitic of results. :-) maybe oneday

Not sure who imspires me.....Probably just every female i see.

You have had a dramatic result.

Most women inspire my look to some degree however I am extremely fond of the supermodel high fashion look.

Jennifer

Quote from: pretty on December 02, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
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I don't think I would have a good pass rate right now but once I start HRT I hope that will improve. I'm tired of looking all boyish  :(

I cannot think of anyone who I want to look like, because I want to look ethereal, like a goddess.  :)

I'm with the other girls - I see 0% boy in your pic!

Gwyneth Paltrow,

now THAT was easy :-)

Axelle

I'm still waiting on my honest opinion from the OP and her SO.