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Title: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Anatta on December 23, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Well it would seem Christchurch is in god's bad books again, two major quakes yesterday [5.8 and a 6] the local's nerves are on edge-memories are still fresh from last years major quake that struck around the same holiday period-180 deaths...

::) Why do believers still continue to pray to what many believe is the 'creator' of the quakes [*An act of god* so they say] and ask this god to save/spare them ?

::) To date s/he/it's destroyed places of worship trapping some people inside, 'it' does not discriminate between religious or the secular, the atheist, the theist, are it would seem all 'fair game'...

::) Just some food for thought at this 'special' time of year..

::) My heart goes out to the people of Christchurch[the irony of the name] and to all those who are suffering around the world, [the Philippines comes to mind and the recent floods]...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Jessica M on December 24, 2011, 02:36:34 PM
My deepest sympathies to all those affected, directly or otherwise by this tragedy.

I had been thinking recently quite a bit about faith, this is not the right place for those thoughts, and these disasters only serve to confirm my beliefs (or lack thereof).

To those whose faith gives them strength and compassion, please pray for the disaster victims, to ALL regardless of beliefs please look into doing something real and physical to help if you can.

Happy Christmas
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Amazon D on December 24, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
Well at least their safely in the next world. We on the otherhand still have to serve more time here on earth  :'(
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Jen61 on December 24, 2011, 05:44:39 PM
Do not you buhdist belive in karma ?
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Anatta on December 24, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Jen61 on December 24, 2011, 05:44:39 PM
Do not you buhdist belive in karma ?

Kia Ora,

::) Buddhist karma, as nothing to do with reward or punishment being dealt out by a supernatural being, Jen...

::) Dependent Origination=For this to happen that must happen and for that to happen this must happen-The universal laws of cause and effect ...

::) All things are governed by the law of karma, Mother Earth is not immune !

Metta Zenda :) 
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Jen61 on December 24, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
Some traditions (i.e., the Vedanta), believe that a supreme being plays some kind of role, for example, as the dispenser of the 'fruits' of karma[13] or as exercising the option to change one's karma in rare instances. In general, followers of the Buddhism and many followers of Hinduism traditions consider the natural laws of causation sufficient to explain the effects of karma.[14][15][16] Another view holds that a Sadguru, acting on a god's behalf, can mitigate or work out some of the karma of the disciple.[17][18][19] And according to the Jainism perspective, neither a god nor a guru have any role in a person's karma—the individual is considered to be the sole doer and enjoyer of his karmas and their 'fruits'. Laws of karma are codified in some books.[20][21][22][23][24][25][26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma)
Title: Re: Shake, Rattle & 'Pray'
Post by: Anatta on December 24, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: Jen61 on December 24, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
Some traditions (i.e., the Vedanta), believe that a supreme being plays some kind of role, for example, as the dispenser of the 'fruits' of karma[13] or as exercising the option to change one's karma in rare instances. In general, followers of the Buddhism and many followers of Hinduism traditions consider the natural laws of causation sufficient to explain the effects of karma.[14][15][16] Another view holds that a Sadguru, acting on a god's behalf, can mitigate or work out some of the karma of the disciple.[17][18][19] And according to the Jainism perspective, neither a god nor a guru have any role in a person's karma—the individual is considered to be the sole doer and enjoyer of his karmas and their 'fruits'. Laws of karma are codified in some books.[20][21][22][23][24][25][26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma)

Kia Ora Jen,

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Metta Zenda :)