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our brains, which art in our heads,
treasured be thy name.  thy reasoning
come.  thy best you can do be done
on earth as it is.  give us this day new
insight to help us resolve conflicts and
ease pain.  and lead us not
into supernatural explanations and
deliver us from denial of logic.
for thine is kingdom of reason,
and even though thy powers are limited
and you are not always glorious,
you are the best evolutionary adaptation
we have for helping this earth now and
forever and ever.
so be it.

So who is the prayer to? ;)  Who is the person for which "thy" and  "you" is used?

I like it by the way.

Cindi

LOL, I like it! What an amusing twist.

But I'm STILL believing in faeries ;)

I just hope they keep believing in me...

Kate

unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance] drives the hearts of most people instead of reason.  hence this [prayer]'s for our brains or for [us] if you prefer.   ;)

I think people that beleive in religion deny the advantages given them by evolution. That's why I love this prayer.

1. Is the most glorious moment in human history our progress or the apocalypse?
2. Is rationality better than delusion?
3. Is science better than Dominionsism?

Answer? Yes. I love it.

Bri 

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When I see the evil done in the name of religion, I can only thank God for being an Atheist meself. :icon_drunk:

LL&R
Maebh

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
this [prayer]'s for our brains or for [us] if you prefer.   ;)

Oh good!  for a moment I thought it was for the chamuco! ;D Just kidding! :D

Sea lo que sea, tu sabes que no juzgo a nadie, especialmente a mis amistades por sus preferencias religiosas o falta de ellas. ;D

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: Tink on March 14, 2007, 11:23:39 PM
Sea lo que sea, tu sabes que no juzgo a nadie, especialmente a mis amistades por sus preferencias religiosas o falta de ellas. ;D

lol

A fin de que no juzgue a nadie, es importante respecte todos las personas - incluye ellos preferencia apatia de los religiosa. Lo malo de EE.UU es hay muchas personas tienen furioso y no respecten otra culturas.

No juzgo amistades por su preferencia vestirse de la falta de la chicas - cuando la falta esta de la moda! ;)

Bri

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance] drives the hearts of most people instead of reason...

A world without belief, dreams and innocence... is a world without faeries :(

Kate

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance] drives the hearts of most people instead of reason.

Excuse me?

I do not like being called ignorant because I see things differently than you.

Quote from: Kimberly on March 15, 2007, 09:06:08 AM

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance] drives the hearts of most people instead of reason.

Excuse me?

I do not like being called ignorant because I see things differently than you.

You know, they say life is a series of misunderstandings.

~ Blair

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance] drives the hearts of most people instead of reason. 

Hey I missed that yesterday!  :( You know I like you and all but I will not tolerate.....just kidding! :D

Katia, faith is like gender, the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. :P

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: Brianna on March 14, 2007, 06:21:23 PM
I think people that beleive in religion deny the advantages given them by evolution. That's why I love this prayer.

Nope.  Sorry.  Non sequitor.  They are not exculsive, though there are many sects that act as if they are.  Case in point, John Paul II declaired to the Roman Catholic community that evolution is how life developed, adapts and changes.  I believe that this was in 1995.

Chaunte

Quote from: Chaunte on March 16, 2007, 11:48:48 PM
Nope.  Sorry.  Non sequitor.  They are not exculsive, though there are many sects that act as if they are.  Case in point, John Paul II declaired to the Roman Catholic community that evolution is how life developed, adapts and changes.  I believe that this was in 1995.

Chaunte, if I remember this poll right 52 percent of Americans don't beleive in evolution. I don't think it's reasonable to postulate that Christians are a proponent of truth on this issue.

Bru

First time I read such a thing as an atheist's prayer.  Dunno what to think really.  I guess I'm open to the idea but I purposely avoid labelling it God or speculating on its nature.  It is, if it exists, unknowable and I don't want to manufacture fantasies about it that aren't founded on verifiable evidence.

Quote from: Chaunte on March 16, 2007, 11:48:48 PM

Quote from: Brianna on March 14, 2007, 06:21:23 PM
I think people that beleive in religion deny the advantages given them by evolution. That's why I love this prayer.

Nope.  Sorry.  Non sequitor.  They are not exculsive, though there are many sects that act as if they are.  Case in point, John Paul II declaired to the Roman Catholic community that evolution is how life developed, adapts and changes.  I believe that this was in 1995.

Chaunte

You are exactly right, Chaunte. 

I have no problem with someone liking different kinds of prayers than I.  For all I care, you could squat in a corner and sing songs to a cabbage.  But why do these posts sooner or later have to come to the expressed or implied statement that Christians are stupid?  And why, "pray tell",  is it politically correct to demean and misrepresent those of the Christian faith?

Biting tongue...............

Kristi

Quote from: Kristi on March 17, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
But why do these posts sooner or later have to come to the expressed or implied statement that Christians are stupid?

People often go through a bit of an evolution when it comes to beliefs... especially those who were once christian, and who now resent what they see as having been deceived, and embrace science as their new religion since it SEEMS to be rooted in something more solid and stable.

A lot of people eventually outgrow science too, or at least realize that it's scope is limited, and start worrying more about asking the right *questions* rather than latching onto the answers they find. Systems of belief are ALL limited, including science - it's like living inside a mirrored ping pong ball where you only see reflections of your own expectations.

I once heard someone say something like, "I never really knew Jesus until I stopped being a christian." The same kinda goes for science too... it's the beginners who believe in it as some sort of system of The Truth, just as fundamentalist christians view their bible. If you listen to the theoretical scientists though, they're really cool... that's where science and religion begin to merge into the experience, when explanations and descriptions remain just that - instead of FACT and TRUTH. Belief becomes a plaything, a tool used to paint your world, rather than the bars of a prison.

Kate

  I very seldom say much as I really do not care to argue. I believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs and that they definately have the right to disagree with me.
  The only real thing that I have noticed that I personally don't feel is right goes in line with what Kristi wrote.
  It seems that the topics always seem to take a turn with Christians being referred to as stupid or some other derogatory term.
  To the best of my knowledge the majority of Christians here are not like the mainstream.
  They have shown a love for those who appear to lump them together with the bias, hypocritical mainstream that bashes the GLBT community. They have many times used scriptures to comfort those who have been the victim of "clobber passages" and have shown what the word of God calls an unfeigned love only to be what appears to be called, stupid, nieve, foolish, and who knows how many other terms.
  But then again, anyone can love God in the good times and love their neighbor as themself. I guess that is what seperates the wheat from the chaff in the kingdom of God.
  For what it's worth, even though I disagree I love you all anyway.
  Tiff

Quote from: Tiffany Elise on March 17, 2007, 08:54:02 PM
  For what it's worth, even though I disagree I love you all anyway.
  Tiff

Thanks, Tiff.  Wish I had thought to add that, as it is how I feel too.

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Katia said something a while that really made me think. It was something to this effect:

"It seems to me, for someone to make you feel insulted they need your permission to do so."

I don't understand why some here can take EVERY comment about Christianity as an institution and take it as a personal afront. It's just not! I think most here agree it's not the Christians in this forum oppressing, disowning, and sometimes doing violence to members of the GLBT community (Like Matthew Shepard). I certianly feel this way.

It's OTHER Christians. It's not about you! Please don't take offense.
/me hugs

Bri

Quote from: Brianna on March 17, 2007, 09:54:09 PM
Katia said something a while that really made me think. It was something to this effect:

"It seems to me, for someone to make you feel insulted they need your permission to do so."

exactly! i  find it based in [my personal experience] that the only people who can make me feel bad were people I gave that power to.  furthermore, there will almost always be someone smarter faster or better at whatever. the important thing is to find out who you are and be that person, no compromise. also learning to have confidence and calmly but confidently speaking your mind can help. believe in yourself, that's all it takes.

This has been on my mind so I feel it is only right to apologise for jumping to the conclusion that the Christianity slams were against all of us. Lord knows I slam "them" enough myself. (to defend us)
Still in all, if I hurt anyone by jumping to conclusions, I do apologise.
Tiff

Quote from: Katia on March 18, 2007, 12:33:25 AM

Quote from: Brianna on March 17, 2007, 09:54:09 PM
Katia said something a while that really made me think. It was something to this effect:

"It seems to me, for someone to make you feel insulted they need your permission to do so."

exactly! i  find it based in [my personal experience] that the only people who can make me feel bad were people I gave that power to.  furthermore, there will almost always be someone smarter faster or better at whatever. the important thing is to find out who you are and be that person, no compromise. also learning to have confidence and calmly but confidently speaking your mind can help. believe in yourself, that's all it takes.

Words of wisdom indeed.  Honestly Katia, I did like that prayer.  Anyone who reads the the Atheist's Prayer may wrongly assume that you are mocking the Our Father prayer in the same exact way that Laveyans mock the Catholic Mass.  But  no, the words are changed yes, but simply to reflect the POV of an atheist.  Besides, you are sooooooo right when you say that it takes our permission to make us feel less or inferior than others.  My grandpa would have loved you, for that is how he used to think. ;)

tink :icon_chick:

I wouldn't call it a prayer, because you aren't really praying to anything. It's closer to a motto.

Quote from: AnnieE on March 18, 2007, 11:27:15 PM
I wouldn't call it a prayer, because you aren't really praying to anything. It's closer to a motto.

it's a prayer if you know the meaning of the word [prayer]:

Quote from: webster dictionary

#
   The act of making a reverent petition to God, a god, or another object of worship.

# An act of communion with God, a god, or another object of worship, such as in devotion, confession, praise, or thanksgiving: One evening a week, the family would join together in prayer.
# A specially worded form used to address God, a god, or another object of worship.

a prayer is not necessarily made to a god; it could also be made to an object of worship [any object you choose]  i chose my [brain], so it is a valid prayer.

It's a prayer alright.

"Oh blessed Katia's brain
Grant me the patience to last another day......."

;)

Cindi

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance]...

...here we go again with definitions that aren't helpful.

Edit - Rule 11 -- Karen

Quote from: The Middle Way on May 21, 2007, 09:43:49 PM

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance]...

...here we go again with definitions that aren't helpful.

Edit - Rule 11 -- Karen

the world is full of them.  wake up and smell the coffee!

Quote from: Katia on May 22, 2007, 03:43:53 PM

Quote from: The Middle Way on May 21, 2007, 09:43:49 PM

Quote from: Katia on March 14, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
unfortunately faith [the reliance on hope and ignorance]...

...here we go again with definitions that aren't helpful.

Edit - Rule 11 -- Karen

the world is full of them.  wake up and smell the coffee!

Here's some jumpin java beans then, just for you!

Defining "faith" as reliant necessarily on "ignorance" does defile the ideal of Reason

Quotefor thine is kingdom of reason

in my book.
Your Book may differ.

tmw