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Title: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
When I was still teenage I thought I was 'Gay' but then I slowly realized there was something fishy. Even I went to Gay bars I hated it, I didn't like staying with other Gays. But once I went to a Travesti Night and it was SOOOOOOOOOO exciting me when I saw the girls doing a Travesti Pageants, I felt like 'IN'.
And the strangest thing is I AM NOT ATTRACTED SEXUALLY BY GAYS AT ALL, NOT EVEN THE ACTIVE ONES NO MATTER HOW HANDSOME THEY ARE. It's like I get 'turn off' as soon I hear someone is Gay HOWEVER I get very turned on when I hear a guy is STRAIGHT even he is just normal looking and not that handsome (i dont mean ugly though) and it's like I am attracted STRICTLY ONLY BY STRAIGHT MEN.
And in my head I said, how the hell in the world will I attract straight men when I have a male appearance myself and furthermore I always felt and dressed like a girl when I was a child, so there I started crossdressing part-time till 1 day I realized to be happy I need to fo full-time permanently.
And you, what's your story? How long did it take to realize you're trans and not Gay?
And the strangest thing is I AM NOT ATTRACTED SEXUALLY BY GAYS AT ALL, NOT EVEN THE ACTIVE ONES NO MATTER HOW HANDSOME THEY ARE. It's like I get 'turn off' as soon I hear someone is Gay HOWEVER I get very turned on when I hear a guy is STRAIGHT even he is just normal looking and not that handsome (i dont mean ugly though) and it's like I am attracted STRICTLY ONLY BY STRAIGHT MEN.
And in my head I said, how the hell in the world will I attract straight men when I have a male appearance myself and furthermore I always felt and dressed like a girl when I was a child, so there I started crossdressing part-time till 1 day I realized to be happy I need to fo full-time permanently.
And you, what's your story? How long did it take to realize you're trans and not Gay?
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Lily on January 01, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Post by: Lily on January 01, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Never, but I realized I was gay AND trans pretty early. I think my earliest memory of being trans was when I was 4, I was thinking about my mom and how I wanted to grow up to be a girl like her and also marry a girl like her.
My taste in women has drastically changed since then (one would hope ;) ) but the general idea is the same.
First time I fully admitted it to myself as an adult was in 2008.
My taste in women has drastically changed since then (one would hope ;) ) but the general idea is the same.
First time I fully admitted it to myself as an adult was in 2008.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: stldrmgrl on January 01, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
Post by: stldrmgrl on January 01, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
I was never gay, nor am I now. My dysphoria lead me to research, which in turn lead me to the discovery of being trans.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Padma on January 01, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
Post by: Padma on January 01, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
I tried being a gay man for a while, because I obviously wasn't a straight man... but the I realised it's not because I'm not straight, it's because I'm not a man... but then I realised that I'm not a straight woman :).
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 12:52:03 PM
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: ~Amy~ on January 01, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
I was never gay, nor am I now. My dysphoria lead me to research, which in turn lead me to the discovery of being trans.
Before I always thought an 'un-transitioned trans' is a gay, LOL!
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
Post by: Sad Girl on January 01, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: Padma on January 01, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
I tried being a gay man for a while, because I obviously wasn't a straight man... but the I realised it's not because I'm not straight, it's because I'm not a man... but then I realised that I'm not a straight woman :).
Pretty complicated there heh...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Nurse With Wound on January 01, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
Post by: Nurse With Wound on January 01, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: ~Amy~ on January 01, 2012, 11:49:59 AMPretty much the same for me.
I was never gay, nor am I now. My dysphoria lead me to research, which in turn lead me to the discovery of being trans.
When I first started using the Internet around 13-14~ really I used it to research this horrible dysphoria and feeling that I should've been a girl and found that I could do something about it.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
I am totally opposite- I knew I wanted to be a woman from early childhood, but due to the environment and circumstances, I remained a boy but started liking men when puberty hit, so I became a gay teenager entering adulthood-
Then I started dressing the momet i got into college and away from family, and saw that I (and everyone else) said that I made a knockout beauty and I was getting a lot more men as a woman.
That was when i knew I would lead a better life as a woman so I transitioned to make my options more appealing than as a gay man.
Then I started dressing the momet i got into college and away from family, and saw that I (and everyone else) said that I made a knockout beauty and I was getting a lot more men as a woman.
That was when i knew I would lead a better life as a woman so I transitioned to make my options more appealing than as a gay man.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Torn1990 on January 01, 2012, 02:02:28 PM
Post by: Torn1990 on January 01, 2012, 02:02:28 PM
i never identified as gay but I did have intimate relations with gay identified men.
Coming out as trans, not much changed, i still am attracted to gay identified men
so in turn live very gender queer but i am starting hormones soon so we will
see what changes!
So it wasn't some realization but more like a gradual understanding because
i never perceived myself too differently.
Coming out as trans, not much changed, i still am attracted to gay identified men
so in turn live very gender queer but i am starting hormones soon so we will
see what changes!
So it wasn't some realization but more like a gradual understanding because
i never perceived myself too differently.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 02:18:35 PM
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 02:18:35 PM
I was happy either way. But my thousands of dollars investment/body changes means I have no plans on goin back.
But I consider myself both. Getting surgery won't change what I once was. But I've slowly been killin the gay guy, the more success I have in the 'straight" world.
But I consider myself both. Getting surgery won't change what I once was. But I've slowly been killin the gay guy, the more success I have in the 'straight" world.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 02:24:06 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 02:24:06 PM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 01, 2012, 02:18:35 PM
I was happy either way. But my thousands of dollars investment/body changes means I have no plans on goin back.
But I consider myself both. Getting surgery won't change what I once was. But I've slowly been killin the gay guy, the more success I have in the 'straight" world.
+1 to this! I've been working hard on purging the "homosexual" behaviors and characterisitics , lmao
Am I wrong for transitioning because I would lead a better life as a hetero woman than a gay man? I don't have deep hatred of my gentials or suffer from severe GID.
And I am not ashamed to admit I also did it to have better access to straight men. * shrugs *
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Just Shelly on January 01, 2012, 02:35:05 PM
Post by: Just Shelly on January 01, 2012, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 02:24:06 PM
Am I wrong for transitioning because I would lead a better life as a hetero woman than a gay man? I don't have deep hatred of my gentials or suffer from severe GID.
And I am not ashamed to admit I also did it to have better access to straight men. * shrugs *
If you want to keep your thing, keep it!
I'm sure as hell ain't transitioning to keep mine.
I never met a woman with a penis!
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 03:33:48 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 03:33:48 PM
I don't mind getting SRS but since I am still on the fence about it, I am not going to plan for it as I don't want post-op regret...
I think I probably am perfect evidence of the "homosexual transsexual" theory. lol
I think I probably am perfect evidence of the "homosexual transsexual" theory. lol
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Keaira on January 01, 2012, 04:05:19 PM
Post by: Keaira on January 01, 2012, 04:05:19 PM
I knew I wasn't gay. But the other kids always thought I was. my reasoning back then was, Who the hell could love such a creature that caused me so much pain? I used to get beat up a lot by boys because I was short and effeminate [I guess]
When I was watching the Little Mermaid for the first time I wanted to look just like Ariel and that's when it occurred to me that gay guys don't want boobs or a vagina. I was something else!
When I was watching the Little Mermaid for the first time I wanted to look just like Ariel and that's when it occurred to me that gay guys don't want boobs or a vagina. I was something else!
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Raya on January 01, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
Post by: Raya on January 01, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
I dunno, I always found this line of thinking weird. Am I the only one who never internalized the trope that trans = gay turned up to eleven?
Honestly, one thing I quickly learned is that nothing sets off my gender dysphoria more reliably than gay male romantic/sexual attention. IME*, gay men seem to be the most eager of all to project maleness/masculinity onto me and seem to react the worst when I disabuse them of those notions.
*Maybe it's where I live and who people take me for. For instance, I've been told more than once by certain men that they were drawn to the "inherent masculinity" that my race somehow confers upon me...
Honestly, one thing I quickly learned is that nothing sets off my gender dysphoria more reliably than gay male romantic/sexual attention. IME*, gay men seem to be the most eager of all to project maleness/masculinity onto me and seem to react the worst when I disabuse them of those notions.
*Maybe it's where I live and who people take me for. For instance, I've been told more than once by certain men that they were drawn to the "inherent masculinity" that my race somehow confers upon me...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
You may say that gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation but those two are interwined.
One invariably influence the other one
May I present "Why is my sexual orientation changing?" thread as evidence? lol
One invariably influence the other one
May I present "Why is my sexual orientation changing?" thread as evidence? lol
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
That was when i knew I would lead a better life as a woman so I transitioned to make my options more appealing than as a gay man.
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 02:24:06 PM
And I am not ashamed to admit I also did it to have better access to straight men. * shrugs *
Yikes...so your really just a gay guy who became a woman for more sex? :icon_blink:
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: Asha on January 01, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Yikes...so your really just a gay guy who became a woman for more sex? :icon_blink:
Is it any better than a hetero man who became a lesbian for more sex?
I ve been always trans since birth, but led a gay lifestyle when puberty hit because I thought it was me becaue I did not know better and my feminine interests was oppressed growing up. Also there was no Internet back there and I did not know anybody who was transgender until I finally got to college 10 years ago. I was gay throughout college and tried out that lifestyle but it was not working for me and I preferred being a trans woman so I decided to transition.
Yes, men was a factor in deciding to transition, but by no means, it is not just the sole factor. Don't put words in my mouth.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: cindianna_jones on January 01, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
Post by: cindianna_jones on January 01, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
I never felt "gay". I was not attracted to men in any way. I liked girls.... for all the wrong reasons of course. I got married. I loved the intimacy. I won't deny it. After transition, I looked for other women. I didn't find any. I kept ending up on dates with men. I really wanted to go out with women. But after transition, I had very little thought in the world of romance. I really didn't care about it. As in, I really didn't care.
I'm not really sure how I ended up getting married to a man. It just sort of happened. And I love him dearly. We've gotten along famously for years, even though I'm still not interested in the intimacy part. I suppose I'm a prude or perhaps... I just don't like the discomfort. In any case, as long as he's happy, so much the better.
Cindi
I'm not really sure how I ended up getting married to a man. It just sort of happened. And I love him dearly. We've gotten along famously for years, even though I'm still not interested in the intimacy part. I suppose I'm a prude or perhaps... I just don't like the discomfort. In any case, as long as he's happy, so much the better.
Cindi
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Amazon D on January 01, 2012, 06:17:35 PM
Post by: Amazon D on January 01, 2012, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Lily on January 01, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Never, but I realized I was gay AND trans pretty early. I think my earliest memory of being trans was when I was 4, I was thinking about my mom and how I wanted to grow up to be a girl like her and also marry a girl like her.
My taste in women has drastically changed since then (one would hope ;) ) but the general idea is the same.
First time I fully admitted it to myself as an adult was in 2008.
DITTO LILY
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: BillieTex on January 01, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
Post by: BillieTex on January 01, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
I never thought of myself as gay, but feelings from very young told me I was not what I should have been, but different was wrong. I could be with a man if I didn't have what nature cruelly cursed me with. (and when God has done everything to show me I will not be with a woman - anyone who has loved me deeply is dead - I can never again risk another life for my own happiness) Some day maybe with courage things will change... :'(
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 08:46:42 PM
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: Asha on January 01, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Yikes...so your really just a gay guy who became a woman for more sex? :icon_blink:
More like...more meaningful sex.
If you've ever lived as a gay guy...meaningful sex is rare. Between the gloryholes, and promiscuity.
But I get sex either way...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 01, 2012, 08:46:42 PMlmao at tis one.. actually I think you led a way more wild and promiscious sex life as a gay dude than I ever did.... I ve had my fair share to be sure, but my encouhters tended to be on the romantic and drunk hookups :angel:
More like...more meaningful sex.
If you've ever lived as a gay guy...meaningful sex is rare. Between the gloryholes, and promiscuity.
But I get sex either way...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 01, 2012, 08:46:42 PM
More like...more meaningful sex.
If you've ever lived as a gay guy...meaningful sex is rare. Between the gloryholes, and promiscuity.
But I get sex either way...
You have a point. :laugh:
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Why is it everyone is up in arms if a trans woman could become a hetero woman attracted to men but no one blinks an eye when a transwoman professes to be a lesbian?
I note that formerly gay men-turned-hetero women tends to butt heads with formerly-hetero-men-turned-lesbian women... wonder why... probably because they are coming from different places having grown in different environments, the former environment being LGBT, the latter being non LGBT environment.
Such an irony because the shoe is on the other foot now - you used to be hetero man, now you are gay woman, i used to be gay man, now I am hetero woman. Your transition has earned you TWO LETTERS (L and T) in "LGBT" community identifying your membership while I merely traded one letter for another letter (from G to T), lol.
I note that formerly gay men-turned-hetero women tends to butt heads with formerly-hetero-men-turned-lesbian women... wonder why... probably because they are coming from different places having grown in different environments, the former environment being LGBT, the latter being non LGBT environment.
Such an irony because the shoe is on the other foot now - you used to be hetero man, now you are gay woman, i used to be gay man, now I am hetero woman. Your transition has earned you TWO LETTERS (L and T) in "LGBT" community identifying your membership while I merely traded one letter for another letter (from G to T), lol.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:22:58 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Happy Girl on January 01, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
When I was still teenage I thought I was 'Gay' but then I slowly realized there was something fishy. Even I went to Gay bars I hated it, I didn't like staying with other Gays. But once I went to a Travesti Night and it was SOOOOOOOOOO exciting me when I saw the girls doing a Travesti Pageants, I felt like 'IN'.
And the strangest thing is I AM NOT ATTRACTED SEXUALLY BY GAYS AT ALL, NOT EVEN THE ACTIVE ONES NO MATTER HOW HANDSOME THEY ARE. It's like I get 'turn off' as soon I hear someone is Gay HOWEVER I get very turned on when I hear a guy is STRAIGHT even he is just normal looking and not that handsome (i dont mean ugly though) and it's like I am attracted STRICTLY ONLY BY STRAIGHT MEN.
And in my head I said, how the hell in the world will I attract straight men when I have a male appearance myself and furthermore I always felt and dressed like a girl when I was a child, so there I started crossdressing part-time till 1 day I realized to be happy I need to fo full-time permanently.
And you, what's your story? How long did it take to realize you're trans and not Gay?
omg i cant believe I forgot to +1 this post in the first place - exactly what i described as ONE of my deciding factors to transition - i was not really attracted or happy dating gay men and preferred straight men.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
Post by: MacKenzie on January 01, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Why is it everyone is up in arms if a trans woman could become a hetero woman attracted to men but no one blinks an eye when a transwoman professes to be a lesbian?
I don't see anyone doing that here.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Asha on January 01, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
I don't see anyone doing that here.
This thread has 26 replies and the other lesbian-related thread, "Strange Rules of Attraction", has 1 reply (as of this posting) - mine. Furthermore, any gay-related thread tends to either a) fire off a storm of controversy and draw tons of replies or b) ignored/skipped over.
I rest my case.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on January 01, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
This thread has 26 replies and the other lesbian-related thread, "Strange Rules of Attraction", has 1 reply - mine. Furthermore, any gay-related thread tends to either a) fire off a storm of controversy and draw tons of replies or b) ignored/skipped over.
I rest my case.
Girl, I knew that with the first one I posted here...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: V M on January 01, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
Post by: V M on January 01, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
I would question myself as to if I were a 'Gay man' but it never seemed like quite the right fit for how I felt and so I would long for something more
I knew I was feminine and wanted to just be one of the girls :icon_chick: I learned about transition when I had finally got a viable computer and searched for ways to grow breasts
From then on I've been a girl on a mission
I knew I was feminine and wanted to just be one of the girls :icon_chick: I learned about transition when I had finally got a viable computer and searched for ways to grow breasts
From then on I've been a girl on a mission
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 12:02:54 AM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: V M on January 01, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
I would question myself as to if I were a 'Gay man' but it never seemed like quite the right fit for how I felt and so I would long for something more
I knew I was feminine and wanted to just be one of the girls :icon_chick: I learned about transition when I had finally got a viable computer and searched for ways to grow breasts
From then on I've been a girl on a mission
+1 to this! More and more people are transitioning younger and younger those days because of access to computers and Internet. I did not have any access to computers and Internet until I entered undergraduate college!
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 12:34:40 AM
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 12:34:40 AM
I thoug in the same way what the "ex- homo men" now "straigh woman" ...
I used to live as a straigh man whit odd gay fantasyes...but the few times that i try be whit a man...i just got sick and whish that hell end quickly.
But in time to time i used to dream whit be a woman...just silly fantasyes imagining storys and character....(i am a bit nerdy), but i always thoug that be a woman was just a stupid dream...and of course i never was really effeminatte...and my problematic bi sexuality mess all :P
But close to my 30 years...i realice something... i dont like men really...i like how they make me feel...but i like a lot female body...but i dont like how straigh females make me feel...
1 + 1 = 2... i want be whit a lesbian.
Must say somethign just 2 years ago i realice somethign..i was atractive as guy, something weird because i always believe that i was ugly..because i was shy..and none girl want to be whit me :P.
Just to mess all, at same time i start to discover my own transexuality...i start to date whit transexual (straight ) girls ...or gay men (indeed they used to thoug for self as men too... what date straigh men... a strange irony...)
One interesting fact..a stragh transexual girl non - op .. that rise as a gay man... have some males attitudes ...that fit a lot whit what i want as a couple... but have a female body..that is what i want too...So my need to be whit a lesbian is almost complete just being whit a straigh trans woman.
But the bad thing is..now i know that i want to live as a woman..as a hot woman what can date lesbian woman (cis or trans eighter).
And now i have the famous fork....live as a good (jut good..not a really amazing hot :P) guy a bit androginous and that can qualify as a ->-bleeped-<- of transexual girl and straigh manly cis woman (wow....what a strange combination) ... or take the misteryous...complicated and posibly path to loniless and depression...make the transition to a lesbian woman (and lost my actual relation... and that suck..because i love this girls and dont want to hurt she and be hated by her...)
So..in some way i understand to MSDazzler
And by the way..one posibly reason for your question about why the strigh womane feel that agresiveness is...because usually lesbian women dont liek to much listen about how much one women like a man....Or at least that happen to me..nothing make my GID blow more and make me sick than notice how much straigh women want a man...
PD: after say that..you can imagine how much complicated is sometimes to me be beside my girl and lsiten her compliments to man ..or indeed sometimes to my past more manly look....
I really hope somebody can read what i try to write :P I need practice my english
I used to live as a straigh man whit odd gay fantasyes...but the few times that i try be whit a man...i just got sick and whish that hell end quickly.
But in time to time i used to dream whit be a woman...just silly fantasyes imagining storys and character....(i am a bit nerdy), but i always thoug that be a woman was just a stupid dream...and of course i never was really effeminatte...and my problematic bi sexuality mess all :P
But close to my 30 years...i realice something... i dont like men really...i like how they make me feel...but i like a lot female body...but i dont like how straigh females make me feel...
1 + 1 = 2... i want be whit a lesbian.
Must say somethign just 2 years ago i realice somethign..i was atractive as guy, something weird because i always believe that i was ugly..because i was shy..and none girl want to be whit me :P.
Just to mess all, at same time i start to discover my own transexuality...i start to date whit transexual (straight ) girls ...or gay men (indeed they used to thoug for self as men too... what date straigh men... a strange irony...)
One interesting fact..a stragh transexual girl non - op .. that rise as a gay man... have some males attitudes ...that fit a lot whit what i want as a couple... but have a female body..that is what i want too...So my need to be whit a lesbian is almost complete just being whit a straigh trans woman.
But the bad thing is..now i know that i want to live as a woman..as a hot woman what can date lesbian woman (cis or trans eighter).
And now i have the famous fork....live as a good (jut good..not a really amazing hot :P) guy a bit androginous and that can qualify as a ->-bleeped-<- of transexual girl and straigh manly cis woman (wow....what a strange combination) ... or take the misteryous...complicated and posibly path to loniless and depression...make the transition to a lesbian woman (and lost my actual relation... and that suck..because i love this girls and dont want to hurt she and be hated by her...)
So..in some way i understand to MSDazzler
And by the way..one posibly reason for your question about why the strigh womane feel that agresiveness is...because usually lesbian women dont liek to much listen about how much one women like a man....Or at least that happen to me..nothing make my GID blow more and make me sick than notice how much straigh women want a man...
PD: after say that..you can imagine how much complicated is sometimes to me be beside my girl and lsiten her compliments to man ..or indeed sometimes to my past more manly look....
I really hope somebody can read what i try to write :P I need practice my english
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: xXRebeccaXx on January 02, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
Post by: xXRebeccaXx on January 02, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
I realized I was trans when I was 6! I developed feelings for males when I was around 12.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 01:12:53 AM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 01:12:53 AM
Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 12:34:40 AM
I thoug in the same way what the "ex- homo men" now "straigh woman" ...
I used to live as a straigh man whit odd gay fantasyes...but the few times that i try be whit a man...i just got sick and whish that hell end quickly.
But in time to time i used to dream whit be a woman...just silly fantasyes imagining storys and character....(i am a bit nerdy), but i always thoug that be a woman was just a stupid dream...and of course i never was really effeminatte...and my problematic bi sexuality mess all :P
But close to my 30 years...i realice something... i dont like men really...i like how they make me feel...but i like a lot female body...but i dont like how straigh females make me feel...
1 + 1 = 2... i want be whit a lesbian.
Must say somethign just 2 years ago i realice somethign..i was atractive as guy, something weird because i always believe that i was ugly..because i was shy..and none girl want to be whit me :P.
Just to mess all, at same time i start to discover my own transexuality...i start to date whit transexual (straight ) girls ...or gay men (indeed they used to thoug for self as men too... what date straigh men... a strange irony...)
One interesting fact..a stragh transexual girl non - op .. that rise as a gay man... have some males attitudes ...that fit a lot whit what i want as a couple... but have a female body..that is what i want too...So my need to be whit a lesbian is almost complete just being whit a straigh trans woman.
But the bad thing is..now i know that i want to live as a woman..as a hot woman what can date lesbian woman (cis or trans eighter).
And now i have the famous fork....live as a good (jut good..not a really amazing hot :P) guy a bit androginous and that can qualify as a ->-bleeped-<- of transexual girl and straigh manly cis woman (wow....what a strange combination) ... or take the misteryous...complicated and posibly path to loniless and depression...make the transition to a lesbian woman (and lost my actual relation... and that suck..because i love this girls and dont want to hurt she and be hated by her...)
So..in some way i understand to MSDazzler
And by the way..one posibly reason for your question about why the strigh womane feel that agresiveness is...because usually lesbian women dont liek to much listen about how much one women like a man....Or at least that happen to me..nothing make my GID blow more and make me sick than notice how much straigh women want a man...
PD: after say that..you can imagine how much complicated is sometimes to me be beside my girl and lsiten her compliments to man ..or indeed sometimes to my past more manly look....
I really hope somebody can read what i try to write :P I need practice my english
You are very interesting, lol. Hmm, you are a hetero man wanting to transition to being a lesbian but prefer to be with another trans woman who prferably used to be a gay man?
Is that in a nutshell? heh
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 01:26:11 AM
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 01:26:11 AM
Actually i am a hetero man, want to be a lesbian woman. Yes
My girlfriends is a trans woman straight..that used to be a gay man (her own words when she talk about her past...so actually is just a straigh trans woman like you..i am sure if you both meet and talk would find a lot of things in common) Yes
I prefer be whit her over whit a straigh woman... Yes
Basically that is my actual situation :P
My girlfriends is a trans woman straight..that used to be a gay man (her own words when she talk about her past...so actually is just a straigh trans woman like you..i am sure if you both meet and talk would find a lot of things in common) Yes
I prefer be whit her over whit a straigh woman... Yes
Basically that is my actual situation :P
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: LordKAT on January 02, 2012, 01:29:17 AM
Post by: LordKAT on January 02, 2012, 01:29:17 AM
3 yr old boys aren't gay, at least they don't know it. One really has nothing to do with the other. I never thought or said i was gay and I certainly knew I was male.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 01:26:11 AM
Actually i am a hetero man, want to be a lesbian woman. Yes
My girlfriends is a trans woman straight..that used to be a gay man (her own words when she talk about her past...so actually is just a straigh trans woman like you..i am sure if you both meet and talk would find a lot of things in common) Yes
I prefer be whit her over whit a straigh woman... Yes
Basically that is my actual situation :P
Wow that is deep and complicated. How far along are you in transition? I know that most gay-turned-transgender women tend to prefer men, so I am not sure how hard it would to be find one once you have already started transitioning...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 02:01:49 AM
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 02:01:49 AM
i am almost at the start..just lost a lot of weigth, try the hormones but not much...stop after a month and half..
never use female cloth and make up yet...i am slowly takign a androginous look now ...
never use female cloth and make up yet...i am slowly takign a androginous look now ...
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 02:46:32 AM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 02:46:32 AM
You probably would have better luck finding a partner with andro people - they tend to be flexible about gender and whatnot in their partners.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Nurse With Wound on January 02, 2012, 03:00:00 AM
Post by: Nurse With Wound on January 02, 2012, 03:00:00 AM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 11:33:58 PMI don't think that has much to do with being a hetero trans girl, I've never felt attacked by anyone because I'm hetero (well bi, but leaning to hetero). So I don't know where you're getting that vibe from. D:
This thread has 26 replies and the other lesbian-related thread, "Strange Rules of Attraction", has 1 reply (as of this posting) - mine. Furthermore, any gay-related thread tends to either a) fire off a storm of controversy and draw tons of replies or b) ignored/skipped over.
I rest my case.
And this thread has more replies because it's an easier question to answer that we can all give input on our experience on regardless of being homosexual before hand or homosexual now, not because people want to jump on someone for being gay before transitioning. Whereas the other thread you mention is more of a specialist thread, where not as many people might have the experience to give input on the question at hand.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 03:04:33 AM
Post by: Emi on January 02, 2012, 03:04:33 AM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 02:46:32 AM
You probably would have better luck finding a partner with andro people - they tend to be flexible about gender and whatnot in their partners.
Maybe you are right..but where i live..the andro people are just... one or two xDDD ... or well the most of them are or straigh boys ..or lesbian girls.... not are truly Andros ... that movement is far this places yet.
But well, at the moment i am in the midle of a relation...who will want me would be more a future problem...
Now my actual problem is..."i will be enough atractive to live whit myself?" because yes.i am a kind of narcisist and whish to find myslef beuty... maybe is stupid to others...but for me is important... :/
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 03:08:53 AM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 03:08:53 AM
Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 03:04:33 AM
Maybe you are right..but where i live..the andro people are just... one or two xDDD ... or well the most of them are or straigh boys ..or lesbian girls.... not are truly Andros ... that movement is far this places yet.
But well, at the moment i am in the midle of a relation...who will want me would be more a future problem...
Now my actual problem is..."i will be enough atractive to live whit myself?" because yes.i am a kind of narcisist and whish to find myslef beuty... maybe is stupid to others...but for me is important... :/
Nothing wrong with that - we just debated about how appearances were irrevelant to transitioning in another thread but in reality, it is!
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Sad Girl on January 02, 2012, 09:21:09 AM
Post by: Sad Girl on January 02, 2012, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 01:12:53 AM
You are very interesting, lol. Hmm, you are a hetero man wanting to transition to being a lesbian but prefer to be with another trans woman who prferably used to be a gay man?
Is that in a nutshell? heh
LOL THIS IS HILARIOUS AS HELL!!! :laugh:
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Bishounen on January 02, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
Post by: Bishounen on January 02, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
Quote from: Asha on January 01, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Yikes...so your really just a gay guy who became a woman for more sex? :icon_blink:
It actually happens quite a bit, although I personally wouldn't describe that type of transitioner as being a "true" gay male, as a "gay male" that are willing to become a chick, got to have atleast a degree of ->-bleeped-<- in him, in my opinion, as no "real" cis-male would ever want boobs and walk around in heels.
But yes, there are so called "gay males" that transitions even including having SRS, only to be able sleep with hunks, that happens. :P
Not really that weird, though, as an individuals underlying and personal Sexual Urges can be very strong and not the least, because someones Sexuality is a part of a persons identity aswell.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Assoluta on January 02, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
Post by: Assoluta on January 02, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
You may say that gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation but those two are interwined.
One invariably influence the other one
May I present "Why is my sexual orientation changing?" thread as evidence? lol
I think the use of language over such issues can become confusing. I also believe that gender identity and sexual orientation are related and can influence each other, but as actual concepts in themselves and what they are, they are two separate things, and one is not the other, and it is in this sense "gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation", which is a statement often used to those who believe gender identity is simply a form of, or an extension of sexual orientation.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 04:25:06 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Bishounen on January 02, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
It actually happens quite a bit, although I personally wouldn't describe that type of transitioner as being a "true" gay male, as a "gay male" that are willing to become a chick, got to have atleast a degree of ->-bleeped-<- in him, in my opinion, as no "real" cis-male would ever want boobs and walk around in heels.
But yes, there are so called "gay males" that transitions even including having SRS, only to be able sleep with hunks, that happens. :P
Not really that weird, though, as an individuals underlying and personal Sexual Urges can be very strong and not the least, because someones Sexuality is a part of a persons identity aswell.
I dunno how many times I have to repeat this - yes, sex appeal and my sex life played a role in my decision to transition among many, many other factors (I had debated whether to transition or not for years and years before finally taking the plunge last year).
Yes, I am getting a better sex life now because I am a hot chick now but that was not just the ONLY reason I transitioned.
And you are right - I was never really gay in the first place, just misguided because i liiked men and i was born male and couldnt change it, so I thought I was gay.
But I believe in Fate - everything happens for a reason. I am grateful that some of the things, lessons, characteristics, and skills I learned/acquired during my mistakenly-gay lifestyle have helped me transition smoother and better, and helped ease me into the dating world of straight men quickly.
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Sad Girl on January 02, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
Post by: Sad Girl on January 02, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 04:25:06 PM
I dunno how many times I have to repeat this - yes, sex appeal and my sex life played a role in my decision to transition among many, many other factors (I had debated whether to transition or not for years and years before finally taking the plunge last year).
Yes, I am getting a better sex life now because I am a hot chick now but that was not just the ONLY reason I transitioned.
And you are right - I was never really gay in the first place, just misguided because i liiked men and i was born male and couldnt change it, so I thought I was gay.
But I believe in Fate - everything happens for a reason. I am grateful that some of the things, lessons, characteristics, and skills I learned/acquired during my mistakenly-gay lifestyle have helped me transition smoother and better, and helped ease me into the dating world of straight men quickly.
OMG sweetie we had the exact same fate/destiny and we have the same perspective EXCEPT on the 'thrashing out the truth' thingy. You plunged into the waters last year but you will realize the average straight men will ALWAYS reject you as soon as they hear you were a man before. MAYBE to love someone and for serious relationship we SHOULD tell the truth but if it's for a casual relationship just for sex, we'd better keep our mouth shut not to be rejected and enjoy haha.
I'm happy you are getting more straight men but BE CAREFUL at times you might confuse straight men with '->-bleeped-<--->-bleeped-<-s'. As soon as a guy resembling a straight guy WANTS TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS OR DO ORAL WITH YOU (if you're pre-op) then it's NOT a straight but a '->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-'. Ewww I don't like them, they make me feel less woman when they wanna touch the part I hate the most in me. 'REAL' STRAIGHT MEN HAVE A TERRIBLE DISGUST TOWARDS PHALUS(PENIS), doesn't mean they won't have sex with you though, they play blind and appreciate your beauty and do maximum they can as per their hetero limits, if you see what I mean... :P
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Post by: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Happy Girl on January 02, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
OMG sweetie we had the exact same fate/destiny and we have the same perspective EXCEPT on the 'thrashing out the truth' thingy. You plunged into the waters last year but you will realize the average straight men will ALWAYS reject you as soon as they hear you were a man before. MAYBE to love someone and for serious relationship we SHOULD tell the truth but if it's for a casual relationship just for sex, we'd better keep our mouth shut not to be rejected and enjoy haha.
I'm happy you are getting more straight men but BE CAREFUL at times you might confuse straight men with '->-bleeped-<--->-bleeped-<-s'. As soon as a guy resembling a straight guy WANTS TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS OR DO ORAL WITH YOU (if you're pre-op) then it's NOT a straight but a '->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-'. Ewww I don't like them, they make me feel less woman when they wanna touch the part I hate the most in me. 'REAL' STRAIGHT MEN HAVE A TERRIBLE DISGUST TOWARDS PHALUS(PENIS), doesn't mean they won't have sex with you though, they play blind and appreciate your beauty and do maximum they can as per their hetero limits, if you see what I mean... :P
-1 to our disagreement over when it is the right time to tell a man you are trans, but.... :)
+1 to your comments about how to tell apart straight men from ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s!
Yeah... honey, Ive been with many and many men (always with condoms) to know which one is a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- or not. I am assuming you are a bottom just like I am.
And yeah, i enjoy sex a lot less with ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s than i do with the non->-bleeped-<-s because they are always wanting to go down on your penis and seem to not be able to leave it alone. i ve had pushed their heads away and they always stubbornly try to go back there. heh. and it is even worse if they want to bottom! ugh!
They are only good for one thing - getting attention from them and free drinks at the bar! lmao >:-)
Non->-bleeped-<-s tend to ignore it and actually treat me like a woman 100% (i.e., taking the top role all the time, prefer to eat me out instead of giving ->-bleeped-<-, and me in the passive/submissive role).
I hope that was an interesting reading for you lezzies out there. lol
Title: Re: When did you realize you're not really Gay but Trans?
Post by: Chloe on January 02, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Post by: Chloe on January 02, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 05:41:09 PMI hope that was an interesting reading for you lezzies out there. lollol and gotta add: *I despise feminists* especially !
signed: "A Classic Transsexual (http://transsexual.org/index.html) " :police: