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I motioned few times for such a thread to be made because we keep getting those new threads asking "what do i need to look better/pass" all the time... It would be helpful to have one thread to consolidate all the suggestions, etc.

I was assigned the task of creating such one - so here it is! :

Post away!

Now we wait for brave souls to upload their faces :D

I thought the "can I pass one day" thread already fulfilled this role.

Oh wells, I like posting pics. I know my eyebrows need work, but what else? I'm clueless about the hair. I part it down the middle to hide some minor hair loss, but it doesn't look that great I think.

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well, technically, people were asking what they needed to look better, I just threw in "passing" as a bonus :). So this kinda has a different focus than "can i pass one day?" thread

Thank you for being the first poster! :)

The front hair looks very dry - you should use thermal heat protection spray or gel then work it into your front hair and flatten it to make it look shinier and smoother?

I like this :D

shall i re-post my picture or not ?

x x

Quote from: salisha on January 01, 2012, 03:37:13 PM
I like this :D

shall i re-post my picture or not ?

x x

you should! after all it was because of you I started this thread! loo

Ok

what type of FFS do you think i would benefit from the most ?

i'm thinking jaw or chin :D

x

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Well it is hard to say about your jaw because your hair is covering the half of it! :)

But I totaly love your glasses! Do you straighten your hair?

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 01, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
Well it is hard to say about your jaw because your hair is covering the half of it! :)

But I totaly love your glasses! Do you straighten your hair?

ohh thank you, i love my glasses as well, and i used to straighten it but like because i'm trying to grow my hair i don't want to cause heat damage :/

My hair is a total b**** every time i wake up from bed it gets super frizzy and even straightening is hard to get rid of the frizz, the only time it looks good is after i have washed it and let it try naturally that's when it actually looks ok

x

so i know my eyebrows are messy and i plan on getting my brow recontouring with orbital shaping, and i will be getting my beak of a nose redone since it is a broken heal from a snowboarding accident.

the only thing im debating is my jaw, i feel that it is to masculine
any input would be appreciated
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oh and ive been on hrt for just over 5 months now

Just to understand what you want - are you asking what to do about your jaw to make it look better or passable?

Quote from: salisha on January 01, 2012, 05:44:39 PM
ohh thank you, i love my glasses as well, and i used to straighten it but like because i'm trying to grow my hair i don't want to cause heat damage :/

My hair is a total b**** every time i wake up from bed it gets super frizzy and even straightening is hard to get rid of the frizz, the only time it looks good is after i have washed it and let it try naturally that's when it actually looks ok

x

Really? Have you tried balm designed for thermal protection before you straighten your hair? Perhaps that will help reduce the frizz

yes i just wonder if i would do better to have my chin shortened? or if it would be better to have my jaw changed, here is a better picture of my jaw
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Well, to me it seems like you have a long face with long straight hair making it look narrow... you already mentioned in another thread that some girl found your face attractive so you might not need FFS. Maybe all you need to do is to change your hairstyle and learn how to sculpt your cheeks with makeup to make it look wider?

Kiaraja -
Your brow ridge  and forehead stands out to me more for some reason.
It looke
In my opinion, you might want to try a hairstyle with some sort of fringe, because I think that will help you not only pass more until you can afford FFS (that is if you even want FFS).
In the first picture, if I covered your forehead, you pass almost 100% to me; same with the third picture that you posted.


I think your chin and jaw might feminize more the longer you've been on HRT.
I'm not sure what you can do now about your jaw now though unless there was a way to make it look a little thinner using a makeup technique.
It doesn't stand out much to me except in the second picture, so it would seem as long as you keep your hair down, you're fine. Either that, or you're just positioned weird in the second picture you took, but I would have to see a another picture with your hair up to be able to judge.

Quote from: JasonRX on January 01, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
Kiaraja -
Your brow ridge  and forehead stands out to me more for some reason.
It looke
In my opinion, you might want to try a hairstyle with some sort of fringe, because I think that will help you not only pass more until you can afford FFS (that is if you even want FFS).
In the first picture, if I covered your forehead, you pass almost 100% to me; same with the third picture that you posted.

Yeah, fringes or bangs is a secret weapon that even natal females utilitize to hide high foreheads.

Quote from: kiaraja on January 01, 2012, 10:43:33 PM
yes i just wonder if i would do better to have my chin shortened? or if it would be better to have my jaw changed, here is a better picture of my jaw
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Not to sound harsh...But I hate your lip color. It's either eyes or lips...NOT BOTH. Pick one and emphasize it.

Kiaraja, you are beautiful.  I don't really think you need any surgery.  If you do get it, maybe just the brow.  You do have a long face, but I don't think that's a masculine characteristic.  Maybe try a hairstyle with soft bangs?

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Well, i have more complains about my body than my face..for some reason i had the feel that my face whit work  will  succesly  look   enought femme to be atractive...but dammitt my body... :/

Wow, you are right, you are attractive and could pass as andro.

Not sure what you are looking for specifically. Are you asking generally what you can to do look better or to pass specifically?

boths are welcome...my present is andro...so anithing to  better it for the moment is good.
my future...maybe can be   a transition to girl...  buti am not sure if try HTR   because  where i live i CANT find a medic to help me whit that..i must do that alone..or  put myself in the hand of a random endo  that never  listen about GID :/
So i am just trying to chosee if  keep money for a future surgery.. or take the HRT ..my  most big fear is  become tomuch manly in the while...i go to gym  but try to do only  aerobic..and  resistance routines...

PLease dont give me tips to look more  manly.... i was far more manly in the past..and i am so much happy to let that in the past XDDDDD

by the way ...Thanks you MsDazzler  , always is nice know that a atractive girl think that i am atractive :3   

Quote from: kiaraja on January 01, 2012, 10:43:33 PM
yes i just wonder if i would do better to have my chin shortened? or if it would be better to have my jaw changed, here is a better picture of my jaw
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well, you just look like my cousin, she is very atractive. Yes...that jaw is a bit in the edge of  the manly...but not totally..at least in that phothos...i saw a lot of   beuty woman that have that jaw...in  other way..in your profil  pohto..yes the jaw maybe is to much  large... maybe is just the angle..i dont know. But that is the reason because the meidc usually ask you pothos of  diferent angles to give you a answer.

Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 02:32:20 AM
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Well, i have more complains about my body than my face..for some reason i had the feel that my face whit work  will  succesly  look   enought femme to be atractive...but dammitt my body... :/

well, what is wrong with your body?

For starters, your nose is quite big, so I suggest using makeup to make it appear smaller. Contouring as Masha is so fond of saying... ;)

i feel my body to much wide in the chest for a  girl, :s 
i will take note  for the nose :)    (must learn to make up...slowly buying the things :P)

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 01, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
Not to sound harsh...But I hate your lip color. It's either eyes or lips...NOT BOTH. Pick one and emphasize it.

im still getting used to makeup color mixes, i dunno i wouldn't wear that color out like that i was just messing with it

Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 03:30:33 AM
i feel my body to much wide in the chest for a  girl, :s 
i will take note  for the nose :)    (must learn to make up...slowly buying the things :P)

I am self-conscious about my shoulders too - so that is why I select clothing to play them down, such as halters, skirts that are not pencil, etc...

Oh about your nose - you also need to contour/highlight your cheeks to draw attention away from the nose as well.

Other than that, have you considered fringe cuts for your frontal hair?

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 03:42:07 AM
I am self-conscious about my shoulders too - so that is why I select clothing to play them down, such as halters, skirts that are not pencil, etc...

Oh about your nose - you also need to contour/highlight your cheeks to draw attention away from the nose as well.

Other than that, have you considered fringe cuts for your frontal hair?

I will take in mind that cut..but after i got  long hair i dont want to change yet my hair..because usually  i only got my hair tomuch short and manly... :s bad stilyst maybe :P
And for the long that my back hair  have i  want keep the fron long just to compensate. But in a future  for sure i will  got a more femme cut...whit long hair :)

Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 03:50:54 AM
I will take in mind that cut..but after i got  long hair i dont want to change yet my hair..because usually  i only got my hair tomuch short and manly... :s bad stilyst maybe :P
And for the long that my back hair  have i  want keep the fron long just to compensate. But in a future  for sure i will  got a more femme cut...whit long hair :)

are you suffering any receding hairline or hair loss? The best thing you can do for your hair right now is to stop the loss or receding by taking finasteride or dutasteride.

o, i dont..or at least  i dont notice it..my dad   never had  to much loose of hair...  i have entrance of course

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I have my ideas as to what can be done, but I am also open to others opinions.

Quote from: salisha on January 01, 2012, 04:20:23 PM
Ok

what type of FFS do you think i would benefit from the most ?

i'm thinking jaw or chin :D

x

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Do you have any better pictures where your face is done?
Because you would look a lot better/passable with makeup(we all do lol)

Quote from: kiaraja on January 01, 2012, 10:43:33 PM
yes i just wonder if i would do better to have my chin shortened? or if it would be better to have my jaw changed, here is a better picture of my jaw
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi930.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad144%2Finfinitepure%2Fth_IMG_6875.jpg&hash=22514b99555f5b4e6aeddfa23818d29d71ddadfc) (http://s930.photobucket.com/albums/ad144/infinitepure/?action=view&current=IMG_6875.jpg)

I think you'd look more female with a side swept bang.
I also agree with Mahsa, that lip color doesn't look right.   
It's too lilac-y for your complexion.
Stay away from frosty looking colors and go with warmer ones.

I don't think you'd need FFS, I've seen some of your posts and you're barely 3 months on HRT or something like that.
Let that do it's job.
I think you're going to be very pretty.

Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 02:32:20 AM
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Well, i have more complains about my body than my face..for some reason i had the feel that my face whit work  will  succesly  look   enought femme to be atractive...but dammitt my body... :/

o:
Aren't you in boy mode?
This thread is supposed to be for transwomen who are asking for help on how to look more female WHILE they're presenting as one.
It's a little hard to say when you're not trying. >.<
Sorry if that came off as rude.
But you should definitely post another picture while dressed en femme :)

Quote from: Keaira on January 02, 2012, 04:53:25 AM
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I have my ideas as to what can be done, but I am also open to others opinions.

I think you'd look better with out the glasses.
Your face is small and round though, so you're lucky. 

Here's a picture of me from a few weeks ago wearing a wig and some foundation to cover up my acne.  I only have an iPod touch as a digital camera, so I apologize for the low quality of the picture.

I've only been on Estrogen (Estrodial) for a little less than two months, so I know I have a long way to go, lol.  I would appreciate any comments in terms of improving my appearance for "passing" as well as what you may think I would need for FFS (if I need anything at all; obviously the Adam's Apple is one thing that will be on the list).

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Quote from: likealolita on January 02, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Here's a picture of me from a few weeks ago wearing a wig and some foundation to cover up my acne.  I only have an iPod touch as a digital camera, so I apologize for the low quality of the picture.

I've only been on Estrogen (Estrodial) for a little less than two months, so I know I have a long way to go, lol.  I would appreciate any comments in terms of improving my appearance for "passing" as well as what you may think I would need for FFS (if I need anything at all; obviously the Adam's Apple is one thing that will be on the list).

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I'm not sure if I could give you advice that I'm certain of with the lighting in that picture. >_< If you could post another one, I'm pretty sure most people here would agree to being able to give you a more accurate opinion.

    From what I can tell, your face and presentation doesn't look too bad. I can sort of you see your Adam's apple though, but that might not be as noticeable if your neck gets less bony than it is now. Most females don't have really defined necks like that, but that's because of estrogen I'm pretty sure, so it shouldn't be much of problem unless you have a thing for doing crazy neck exercises or something.

I don't do any neck exercises, heh. :P I'm 6' 4" and around 124 pounds.  Tall and thin.

But, yeah, I'll try to work with what I have and post a better picture.

Quote from: JoeyD on January 02, 2012, 10:37:53 AM

Aren't you in boy mode?
This thread is supposed to be for transwomen who are asking for help on how to look more female WHILE they're presenting as one.
It's a little hard to say when you're not trying. >.<
Sorry if that came off as rude.
But you should definitely post another picture while dressed en femme :)

Emi, Ill have to agree with her. It was a little difficult for me to judge because you were presenting totally male (albeit, a cute one)

Quote from: Keaira on January 02, 2012, 04:53:25 AM
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I have my ideas as to what can be done, but I am also open to others opinions.

Let's lose the beret and get you in a top with vertical lines instead of plaid

Quote from: likealolita on January 02, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Here's a picture of me from a few weeks ago wearing a wig and some foundation to cover up my acne.  I only have an iPod touch as a digital camera, so I apologize for the low quality of the picture.

I've only been on Estrogen (Estrodial) for a little less than two months, so I know I have a long way to go, lol.  I would appreciate any comments in terms of improving my appearance for "passing" as well as what you may think I would need for FFS (if I need anything at all; obviously the Adam's Apple is one thing that will be on the list).

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For the Adam's apple, uuntil you can get FFS, you can start a scarf collection. They come in all sizes, colors, patterns, and shapes. You can pair off a flirty scarf with a top and jeans or a demure scarf with a button shirt and skirt.

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 03:19:15 PM
Emi, Ill have to agree with her. It was a little difficult for me to judge because you were presenting totally male (albeit, a cute one)

Well...i dont  know  the basis to a make up, maybe i will pay a professional to give me one basi and teach me..and say me what i must buy.
Neighter have cloths  to dress, and the few times that i  try whit my sister´s cloth ...just look bad..at least to my taste.

But show this  pothos have a reason...i want advice to how chances my face and body to look as a female no matters what i dress or if i wear make up. In other words... maybe what you see i that ptho will be what i dress but only whit  a  litle make up and long hair. I want  just what so many  women have, be recognazed as women whitout   use   a  femme code dress.

But dont worry :P  at the end i know that is just a dream, i will need a lot of  make up, work and cloths. Well maybe when i had boobs...
Actually my  real issues is...go for breast surgery and maybe ffs ...or just take  HRT,  and what i can do to slim the  waist and wide the hips....to got the sand clock shape?  Surgery, HTR, gym? or cant be posibly  that?
But... well, would´t be soon  but i will try to upload in a future a  more femme  potho, surely when my hair  got more  long (when  that happen i will got a femme cut for sure)

PD : i see so many women having looks like mine and being taked as women yet :(   ... 

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
Let's lose the beret and get you in a top with vertical lines instead of plaid

NOOOO! not my hat! just kidding. I'll see what I can do ^_^

nervous about doing this but here it goes.

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best picture I could find of myself all dolled up. Long story short, had a bad 2009 and 2010, and lost alot of things, but am on my feet again and getting everything in order and going make up and clothes shopping this week.

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 07:53:27 PM
best picture I could find of myself all dolled up. Long story short, had a bad 2009 and 2010, and lost alot of things, but am on my feet again and getting everything in order and going make up and clothes shopping this week.

Get hair extensions. The presentation is still very "male" and post at a better angle of your face.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 02, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
Get hair extensions. The presentation is still very "male" and post at a better angle of your face.

hair extensions? Ok, thinking of just letting my hair grow long. Do you mean the way I stand or pose? Is that too masculine?

is this a better angel?

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Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

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Not really.

Sorry, I would redo your entire makeup... Turn down the red lips, get a natural hair color, and change the hair color.

You need a lot of werqk. Go to MAC and get a makeover...then get a wig. Experiment with DRAG and figure out what works and what doesn't.

thanks I will do that, and thank you again for your tips I really appreciate your help

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
thanks I will do that, and thank you again for your tips I really appreciate your help

Yeah. make some friends with the MAC girls or local drag queens, etc.

The idea is to condense the drag look into an every day, PASSING look.

will do ;D thanks

Quote from: likealolita on January 02, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Here's a picture of me from a few weeks ago wearing a wig and some foundation to cover up my acne.  I only have an iPod touch as a digital camera, so I apologize for the low quality of the picture.

I've only been on Estrogen (Estrodial) for a little less than two months, so I know I have a long way to go, lol.  I would appreciate any comments in terms of improving my appearance for "passing" as well as what you may think I would need for FFS (if I need anything at all; obviously the Adam's Apple is one thing that will be on the list).

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2znz41c.jpg&hash=ee53f1d67685b407389dc67086ac61ed090cf288)

How old are you, I can't tell from the picture?

24.

Quote from: Keaira on January 02, 2012, 07:03:30 PM
NOOOO! not my hat! just kidding. I'll see what I can do ^_^

you had to see that one coming, right? lol.

Anyway, you have a wide figure from what I can see... horizontial lines will slim you down and the flared jeans is not doing you any justice... it adds heaviness to your figure. Try straight boot cut legs.

Quote from: Emi on January 02, 2012, 07:00:02 PM
Well...i dont  know  the basis to a make up, maybe i will pay a professional to give me one basi and teach me..and say me what i must buy.
Neighter have cloths  to dress, and the few times that i  try whit my sister´s cloth ...just look bad..at least to my taste.

But show this  pothos have a reason...i want advice to how chances my face and body to look as a female no matters what i dress or if i wear make up. In other words... maybe what you see i that ptho will be what i dress but only whit  a  litle make up and long hair. I want  just what so many  women have, be recognazed as women whitout   use   a  femme code dress.

But dont worry :P  at the end i know that is just a dream, i will need a lot of  make up, work and cloths. Well maybe when i had boobs...
Actually my  real issues is...go for breast surgery and maybe ffs ...or just take  HRT,  and what i can do to slim the  waist and wide the hips....to got the sand clock shape?  Surgery, HTR, gym? or cant be posibly  that?
But... well, would´t be soon  but i will try to upload in a future a  more femme  potho, surely when my hair  got more  long (when  that happen i will got a femme cut for sure)

PD : i see so many women having looks like mine and being taked as women yet :(   ...

Ok, you are asking what you can do RIGHT NOW without any surgery, HRT, and FFS....

Obviously you are talking about what kind of clothing you should start out with-

Okay... first of all, get clothes that are strongly female-gendered and start wearing them.

For example - start collecting bras, camis, skirts of all different kinds, blouses. Get dangly earrings.

How tall are you?

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff237%2Fjon_ratt%2FPICT0007.jpg&hash=ed61ac94c42199169d4864ae8eee7d21a820893b)

angel or angle? I see no angel in your angle  :D sorry bad pun

Anyhoo... i know you said you said you are growing out your hair... but honestly, the frontal hair looks scary and makes you look depressed and gothtic. try changing the style.. perhaps cut it straight even across like Mahsa's hair?

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 02, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
Not really.

Sorry, I would redo your entire makeup... Turn down the red lips, get a natural hair color, and change the hair color.

You need a lot of werqk. Go to MAC and get a makeover...then get a wig. Experiment with DRAG and figure out what works and what doesn't.

I agree... When I first started out (even tho I wasnt a drag queen), I did go heavy on makeup and drag queen style to figure out what loooked good, etc, etc.

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 11:25:25 PM
angel or angle? I see no angel in your angle  :D sorry bad pun

Anyhoo... i know you said you said you are growing out your hair... but honestly, the frontal hair looks scary and makes you look depressed and gothtic. try changing the style.. perhaps cut it straight even across like Mahsa's hair?

I think she needs more length for that and needs a lighter color.

I hear kids using the term "goth" and I think, "I was into that when I was 14..." now I am into lookin preppy or something.

On on another note..gothic is still around? Is it 1994?

Quote from: MsDazzler on January 02, 2012, 11:23:01 PM
Ok, you are asking what you can do RIGHT NOW without any surgery, HRT, and FFS....

Obviously you are talking about what kind of clothing you should start out with-

Okay... first of all, get clothes that are strongly female-gendered and start wearing them.

For example - start collecting bras, camis, skirts of all different kinds, blouses. Get dangly earrings.

How tall are you?

I have  5´10´´     well, maybe i am too afraid of  out in women cloths...but well someday i will  must do that xD if i am woman at least

Quote from: Emi on January 03, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
I have  5´10´´     well, maybe i am too afraid of  out in women cloths...but well someday i will  must do that xD if i am woman at least

baby steps, baby steps, cutie :)

i know ^^ ,  i whish be more young and feareless, like was my girlfriend, now i have  a whole life (luckily dont have  childs) ,  and feel  what the age is falling over me  quickly >.<

By the way..about Base?  the onyl way to discover the  correct tone and colour is trying right?  i buy one but i fear is to muh clare :s
Is i have yet some shadow beard ... is better if is more dark the tone skin of the base?
mmm, if i mistake the tone..what is less worse...darker or  clare?

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

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Do you have a more neutral, straight on face shot?  They're nt the most flattering, but it might help give a better idea of what can be improved.

Quote from: Lily on January 01, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
I thought the "can I pass one day" thread already fulfilled this role.

Oh wells, I like posting pics. I know my eyebrows need work, but what else? I'm clueless about the hair. I part it down the middle to hide some minor hair loss, but it doesn't look that great I think.

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I'm sorry, I missed your picture!
Don't think I had forgotten about you xP
I think your hair hinders you from passing.
Sleek, straight hair will boost your femininity by over 9000. :3
Also, I would stop splitting your hair down the middle, not many transwomen pre-FFS can pull that off.
Full bangs or side swept ones are always best.

HRT has changed your face a lot, I've seen your pre-HRT pic on one of the picture threads and I was pretty impressed.
Your skin complexion is gr8, if you did something with your eyes, slightly fixed your brows a bit more, your face could pass.

Quote from: likealolita on January 02, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Here's a picture of me from a few weeks ago wearing a wig and some foundation to cover up my acne.  I only have an iPod touch as a digital camera, so I apologize for the low quality of the picture.

I've only been on Estrogen (Estrodial) for a little less than two months, so I know I have a long way to go, lol.  I would appreciate any comments in terms of improving my appearance for "passing" as well as what you may think I would need for FFS (if I need anything at all; obviously the Adam's Apple is one thing that will be on the list).

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I think your face is pretty, nice hair too.
But I cringed when you said you were 6'4 and only 124 pounds X:<

IMO I think MTFs and FTMs run into this problem with weight. (I'm not saying all of them do.)
If you could gain a bit more weight, your face would look less gaunt and bony. (Where as if an FTM lost weight, his face wouldn't look so "plump")
etc etc.

I think you get what I'm saying lol.
Don't be scared to put on a couple pounds :D

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 07:53:27 PM
nervous about doing this but here it goes.

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best picture I could find of myself all dolled up. Long story short, had a bad 2009 and 2010, and lost alot of things, but am on my feet again and getting everything in order and going make up and clothes shopping this week.

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

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I'm sorry but you can't pull off the whole "serious" look thing in pictures.
You should try smiling first of all :]
Your bang needs to start further back, the less forehead you show the better. (I'm not picking on you btw, I'm speaking for all t-women with long foreheads.)

I would get your brows done, they look bushy.
And experiment with makeup.
I don't know if you're wearing any, but if that's a lip color your applied then that's way too red.

If that's your natural lip color then you can put foundation on them(the same one you use for your face) and then apply a softer colored lip.
There's plenty of videos on youtube that shows you how to do makeup.
I'm not kidding, there's THOUSANDS of gurus on there.

If MTFs spent a day or two watching them, she could put it to use to help her pass better.
But no one ever seems interested in learning.
Now I'm ranting lawl.

Thanks for the comments, Joey. :) Unfortunately, it's really hard for me to gain weight.  It seems I've been given one of my uncle's genes, who happens to be tall and thin just like me.

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Better?

Quote from: Keaira on January 03, 2012, 12:29:02 PM
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Better?

Better because your hair is in front of your ears :)
Tucking hair behind the ears is a no-no o:

Why is that? 
Right now my hair length is at that annoying stage where you almost certainly end up with a mouth full of it.  On a windy day or while eating if you are not careful.

Quote from: Keaira on January 03, 2012, 12:58:34 PM
Why is that? 
Right now my hair length is at that annoying stage where you almost certainly end up with a mouth full of it.  On a windy day or while eating if you are not careful.

I'm not sure, it just bothers me.
It's something a little girl would do to move her hair out of her face.

It doesnt look right on someone whos not that age.

It doesnt make you less passable. But you look much much much better with your hair framing your face.

thank your your help will work on my make up and look for a lighter hair color, I don't smile much, have been a goth kid for years still love the music and the culture its just who I am

Quote from: JoeyD on January 03, 2012, 01:30:34 PM
I'm not sure, it just bothers me.
It's something a little girl would do to move her hair out of her face.

It doesnt look right on someone whos not that age.

It doesnt make you less passable. But you look much much much better with your hair framing your face.

I see.  I can appreciate that. Sort of like doing pigtails after 30.  And I guess it does hide my sticky-out ear. I'll do that then. Thanks JoeyD! ^_^

Wait, you think I'm passable? o.O

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

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I understand you want to keep the goth look, and I think you can...partly. The problem with the goth look is that it is very hard and aggressive. On a girl who is very soft to begin with, this isn't a problem. She may look more masculine in the process, but not like a guy. Most trans girls don't have that luxury. On top of that, you have sharp, angular features. You want to soften those to look more typically feminine.

So, what can you do? Well, what I would suggest, is to start with a base, and then goth it up from there. The trick is to blend in with other girls your age and class, but then add in personal touches.

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I was actually playing around with a edgy look, tonight. Now, if you learn anything from make up, learn this: Focus on either the eyes, the lips, or the cheeks, but  only one. If you do an intense smokey eye, pair it with a toned down blush or bronzer, and nude lips, or something that is very close to your natural lip color. If you focus on the lips and do something intense with them, then use neutral shades on your lids, with liner on the top lid and mascara. KISS.

Another thing I wanted to bring up, was posture and angle. In both of your pics, you were either aggressively leaning forward, or had the camera at an angle that maximized your more angular features. IF you notice with mine, I was trying to look edgy, but relaxed, too. It may sound lame, but it wouldn't hurt to look through fashion magazines to see how models do it. Emulate them, learn from them. You don't have to pose like a model in real life, but having an understanding of what they do, will help with pics. Obviously for real life, emulate the posture of girls your age and class.

And really do what the others suggested. I just wanted to add some things. Remember, this is going to take WERQ.

Quote from: A_Dresden_Doll on January 04, 2012, 01:53:53 AM
I understand you want to keep the goth look, and I think you can...partly. The problem with the goth look is that it is very hard and aggressive. On a girl who is very soft to begin with, this isn't a problem. She may look more masculine in the process, but not like a guy. Most trans girls don't have that luxury. On top of that, you have sharp, angular features. You want to soften those to look more typically feminine.

So, what can you do? Well, what I would suggest, is to start with a base, and then goth it up from there. The trick is to blend in with other girls your age and class, but then add in personal touches.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft3%2Fhuntaar%2FPicture37.jpg&hash=e00bcc2e4135c4780e095b08572a3e42876f68a5)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft3%2Fhuntaar%2FPicture36.jpg&hash=7394d29e33fae3b2aadf1d0637af42d5b5f2da3c)
I was actually playing around with a edgy look, tonight. Now, if you learn anything from make up, learn this: Focus on either the eyes, the lips, or the cheeks, but  only one. If you do an intense smokey eye, pair it with a toned down blush or bronzer, and nude lips, or something that is very close to your natural lip color. If you focus on the lips and do something intense with them, then use neutral shades on your lids, with liner on the top lid and mascara. KISS.

Another thing I wanted to bring up, was posture and angle. In both of your pics, you were either aggressively leaning forward, or had the camera at an angle that maximized your more angular features. IF you notice with mine, I was trying to look edgy, but relaxed, too. It may sound lame, but it wouldn't hurt to look through fashion magazines to see how models do it. Emulate them, learn from them. You don't have to pose like a model in real life, but having an understanding of what they do, will help with pics. Obviously for real life, emulate the posture of girls your age and class.

And really do what the others suggested. I just wanted to add some things. Remember, this is going to take WERQ.

thank you, I have so much to learn. Still a baby thank you for all your help

Quote from: A_Dresden_Doll on January 04, 2012, 01:53:53 AM(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft3%2Fhuntaar%2FPicture36.jpg&hash=7394d29e33fae3b2aadf1d0637af42d5b5f2da3c)

Gorgeous pic!

This thread is disco shark approved

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 04, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
This thread is disco shark approved

She has deemed it, so let it be so!!

Party time! wooohoooo! O0 :icon_joy: :icon_geekdance: :icon_dance: :icon_walk: :icon_pepsi: :icon_joy: :eusa_clap: :eusa_naughty: :icon_chick: :icon_clap:

Now, where is the one for coke...

Quote from: A_Dresden_Doll on January 04, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
Now, where is the one for coke...

FOUND IT.
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Wait..

Quote from: Venus-Castina on January 04, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Just took this pic: Bad lighting, no make-up and 5 'o clock shadow: a pure untainted image of my current status. Still waiting for hrt.
Slowly I see some progression but I fear ffs is an absolute must for me to pass.

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Definitely FFS.
Poor thing, you.

Just joking.
I don't even see what hormones would do to your face.
You look feminine enough.
Yeah, I'm sure someone is going to point out your forehead, but it's proportionate with your face.
I feel bad for the poor saps with surgically lowered hairlines where it's not even a "four-head" anymore.
And they go on and say "I HAVE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FOREHEAD EVER NOW"

Oops there I go ranting again.
But thats because I couldnt find anything to tell you.
I like that coat.
I think you should fill your eyebrows in.
There's plenty of good tutorials on how to do so on Youtube.

Growing your hair out? Good, I think you would look good with medium length hair.

Quote from: Venus-Castina on January 04, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Just took this pic: Bad lighting, no make-up and 5 'o clock shadow: a pure untainted image of my current status. Still waiting for hrt.
Slowly I see some progression but I fear ffs is an absolute must for me to pass.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg600.imageshack.us%2Fimg600%2F9679%2Fimg1952bb.jpg&hash=c169c0d1dfec2b17732a8f1bba3b44f0a5f6b53c)

The good news is that you are going to be just fine. You look very androgynous at this point. I would just spend the time learning make up, fixing up those eyebrows a bit, and continue to grow the hair. I agree with JoeyD that your forehead is fine for your face, but with the right styling, I think your hair can, and will, frame your face nicely. Go to a stylist for that. And get your eyebrows down by a professional, too. It's like 10 bucks. Srsly.

So...ya. Not much to say at this point, you are just going to have to stay in limbo for a bit longer. But when you finally get out of it...WOWZA.

Quote from: Venus-Castina on January 04, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Just took this pic: Bad lighting, no make-up and 5 'o clock shadow: a pure untainted image of my current status. Still waiting for hrt.
Slowly I see some progression but I fear ffs is an absolute must for me to pass.

I see potential. But you should honestly consider wearing makeup. Even a simple foundation and something to play up your eyes.

You're feminine, but not feminine to get away with how you look now. make sense? Good.

Needs moar ranting you gaiz.

Jk.
I think the ranting scares people.
Non-crazies if you will :D

Quote from: JoeyD on January 04, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
Needs moar ranting you gaiz.

Jk.
I think the ranting scares people.
Non-crazies if you will :D

You mean people who don't see transsexual women through rose colored glasses? I turn on my gay male side while on this board. You know the kind that says, "Oh hun that hair WILL NEVER work with your bone structure" or "I didn't know there was a transgender woman in Metallica...cuz you look like Lars Ulrich minus the beard"

Quote from: EvilEm on January 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
is this a better angel?

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The way your eyes look and everything looks quite male. If you practice a little bit you could probably use the serious face and just change up a few things about your expression and you'd look a lot more convincing.

Right now I am about to head off to work. But I snapped a picture or two with my hat off. since people want to see that. I think I need a better hairstyle though but right now I just want to grow it out. Sorry it's me in uniform. ^_^

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Yay - you look better without the beret hiding your face. The bangs could be softened into feminine fringes... straight across blunt bangs do not flatter your facial shape...

ok i tried to combine all the advise i was given and here is the end result....

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i require brutal honesty please. Thank you so much...........