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Just wondering.

People keep saying how brave I am to transition,  and at 6'3" I can't hide, so I decided to be out and proud.   

I'm torn.

I feel I've become a much better person since realising. A kind of person I couldn't have been if I was not TG.
But on the other hand I kind of just want to get on with my life. I wish things didn't have to be this way.

But I'm not going to sit around and be bitter about the way things are. I feel very sorry for those who do.

No, I'm not particularly proud of being transgendered..

I am kinda proud of myself for finally doing something about it though..

I have yet to feel proud of my trans* status but am slowly coming around to accept it. For instance, I used to avoid calling myself a "transman" because I felt it was a separator, but now I am learning to embrace it.

My issues that come along with being trans* are not fun, yes, but I have discovered a lot about myself, others, and the world. I probably would have remained oblivious to these things if I did not at least accept being trans*.

Pride will come in time for me, I'm sure.

No, but I hope to be eventually. I just find it so difficult, sometimes I think i'm there but then othertimes i'll be embarrassed of being trans.

I didn't actually vote because I'd feel like a dick voting yes, but I try to be proud of whatever I am. If it's something innate (i.e. gender, skin color, birthplace) then I'm pretty careful with my pride, and if it's some trait that's a choice or a result of my choices, then I keep in mind that things may change.

So yeah, with quite a few reservations and caveats, I am proud of being transgender. I'm also proud of having all my teeth, and proud that I can curl my tongue and cross my eyes.

Huh, I'm not proud of it at all. I can't even describe how much I hate it. But that's just me. I made this poll cause I'm curious about how others with this condition view it.

I can't fathom being proud of this (what I consider a curse), but I understand that everyone's feelings on the subject are just that... their own.

Proud?  That's like asking if your proud to have diabetes or any other medical condition.

No, I'm not proud, I'm not ashamed either, it just is.

I'm not proud of it because to me that's like asking would I rather be trans or a biomale (ahem.....biomale).  I'm just trying to accept it and do what I can to help ease it some.

I chose Other because while I'm not proud per se, I'm not ashamed of being trans either.

It is what it is. When I first started transition I remember feeling like it was a gift, now I see it as something that's just like anything else in my life, my brown eyes, my education, my hopes and dreams. It's not any more significant than anything else.

Yes.
Although I would perhaps rather call me 'Gendervarianted', I am very proud of it, and also thankful- Nowadays, as it have enriched my life, my Intellect and my Conception of things, and tought me things in ways that had not been possible if I had not been the way I now am.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on January 16, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
Proud?  That's like asking if your proud to have diabetes or any other medical condition.

No, I'm not proud, I'm not ashamed either, it just is.

As mentioned above, and...

I'm only proud to handle it well so far, and not to walk about accepting some folks opinion to be a nut or a freak.

So I chose OTHER
Axelle

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 16, 2012, 02:25:56 AM
No, I'm not particularly proud of being transgendered..

I am kinda proud of myself for finally doing something about it though..

This basically.  I'm not proud of having a medical condition.  What I am proud about is that I took the steps to help myself be comfortable and happy with myself.

I'm not proud of feeling something I have little control over and feeling like I'm trapped in the wrong body so I have to pay for surgeries and take hormones to correct it, no. Honestly, if I never had to go through something like this, I would have been so much happier. I'm only transitioning so I can be seen for who I truly am and finally be comfortable with myself.
     I honestly can only imagine someone being trans if they fall outside of gender spectrum of being strictly female or male. For instance, I know a lot of queer transguys who consider themselves proud of what they had to go through.

im a pretty out and proud kind of person but it depends on my mood,
somethimes im like "arg.. being trans is the worst ** every" and other times I feel its okay to be special.

I must say, I dont feel nessesarry so proud of being transgender myself, but Many people have been complimenting me for being open about it, and doing things who could change the rights and made it better for transgender people. I know not everyone can do those cause not everyone  can or want to be open about it. I totally understand that.

so to say it in another way, being trans itself isnt so much to be proud of, but to fight the challenge is alittle pridefull to me.

  Definitely not.  I am not proud of being transgender, nor do I take pride in the good works that I have done.  There is no room for pride in these times and with my like minded friends and family. 
  Joelene

I'm not proud of it, really.  I am proud of myself for having the courage and determination to act upon it.  Overall, however, I feel it's an inconvenience.

I am proud of being trans. While I agree with what another poster said about it being sometimes dangerous to be proud of innate traits or traits generally out of your control, I think when it comes to traits that cause some kind of marginalisation pride is important for political reasons. For me I'm not just proud to be trans for the ->-bleeped-<-s n' giggles. For me it's a matter of showing society that being trans isn't a "birth defect" (at least for many of us, though I know some trans people see it that way), it's not something to be pitied for or hated for. That it's just like being cis and that we're equally deserving of dignity and respect, and a unifying term to make visible a lot of the oppression that still goes on.

No.  Pride is a virtue that has to be earned.  Pride falls under the domain of ethics, not of metaphysics: You can take pride in the actions you take, in your accomplishments, but not in your genetics or where you were born.  You have no choice if you are born in America or in Russia, if you have brown hair or blonde hair; if you are cisgender or transgender.  You do have a choice to uphold American values, and thus take pride in being American.  You do have a choice in transitioning to your correct gender, and can take pride in that accomplishment and the courage you exhibit in making it.

Just like I'm proud of being white, blond, and blue.

To me personally, it'd be like being proud to have been born missing a limb (which I guess in a way, it is) or some other defect. That's how I see it, at least for myself, as a defect.

I'm proud of the BS I've endured to finally be myself, I'm proud of the excellent relationship I have with my boyfriend, and I'm proud of all the art and writing that's come from all of this internal tumult, but I'm not proud of the source. Not in the least.

I'm proud of the way I've dealt with my own GD but I'm not so proud of being transgender. I don't like being lumped in with everyone else because this can lead to being considered the same as everyone else. As much as I am transgender I feel like an outsider because I didn't follow the same path as seems typical....

I'm not proud for my transsexual past, I rather have been born in the right gender.
I mean, where should I be proud off? That mother nature or God made a nasty joke when I was born?
The only thing I can be proud on is the way I picked up my life since than  and making the best of it.
yes, one can be proud on things that one did, not for a birth condition.
So, I'm defenitely not OUT and PROUD, I'm just me.

Quote from: annette on January 20, 2012, 03:31:40 AM
I'm not proud for my transsexual past, I rather have been born in the right gender.
I mean, where should I be proud off? That mother nature or God made a nasty joke when I was born?
The only thing I can be proud on is the way I picked up my life since than  and making the best of it.
yes, one can be proud on things that one did, not for a birth condition.
So, I'm defenitely not OUT and PROUD, I'm just me.

I'm out and proud in the same way that I've ceased to try to hide my limp, or the fact that I didn't finish middle school, or that my kid has only met her other biological parent a couple of times and by court order, or the reality that I'm not particularly skilled at social behavior even with tons of practice. I'm tired of keeping secrets for other people's comfort, and the more they vilify any intrinsic part of me, the more I will glorify it.

Quote from: Arch on January 20, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Just like I'm proud of being white, blond, and blue.

Brave man! good for you!

Quote from: batgirl on January 20, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
I'd rather be a real woman but still.

so trans men and trans women aren't "real"

I guess the word "proud" is kind of problematic; I tend to be proud of accomplishments, not accidents of birth.

I go to Gay Pride events, but I wouldn't actually say that I'm proud to be gay. However, I'm unashamed. Yet I'm still somewhat ashamed of being trans.

Quote from: batgirl on January 20, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Brave man! good for you!

Hey, I worked really hard to be born white. All of that gene manipulation...>:-)

Quote from: Andy8715 on January 20, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
so trans men and trans women aren't "real"

I have to echo this. I'm not a real woman?

And, why should I be ashamed of my sexuality? If people find my sexuality distasteful, that's there problem. I'm queer, and I'm not ashamed of that, either.

Quote from: Andy8715 on January 20, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
so trans men and trans women aren't "real"

OMG! my post was deleted! lol

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 20, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
I have to echo this. I'm not a real woman?

And, why should I be ashamed of my sexuality? If people find my sexuality distasteful, that's there problem. I'm queer, and I'm not ashamed of that, either.

We should never be ashamed but being proud of your sexuality is like walking around in a trench coat and flashing people. It's not evil but just rude

Quote from: Arch on January 20, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
I guess the word "proud" is kind of problematic; I tend to be proud of accomplishments, not accidents of birth.

I go to Gay Pride events, but I wouldn't actually say that I'm proud to be gay. However, I'm unashamed. Yet I'm still somewhat ashamed of being trans.

Don't be ashamed of being trans! It's not sexual it's just you gender so it's quite socially acceptable.

btw the first sentence of your post is super masculine

Quote from: batgirl on January 20, 2012, 11:33:14 PM
We should never be ashamed but being proud of your sexuality is like walking around in a trench coat and flashing people. It's not evil but just rude

I disagree. Heterosexuals do this, most likely without realizing it, every time they are out in public with the children they've conceived.

Quote from: Sarah7 on January 20, 2012, 11:48:29 PM
So I'm not allowed to hold hands with a girl in public 'cause people might be uncomfortable? 'Cause my gayness is distasteful? What the <not allowed>?

I didn't say that

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 20, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
I disagree. Heterosexuals do this, most likely without realizing it, every time they are out in public with the children they've conceived.

How so?

batgirl: it's obvious you are an unimaginative troll.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 20, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
I disagree. Heterosexuals do this, most likely without realizing it, every time they are out in public with the children they've conceived.

Agree.  They don't even have to be children they conceived.  People are going to assume, that they are their genetically conceived child.

Quote from: Andy8715 on January 21, 2012, 12:08:05 AM
batgirl: it's obvious you are an unimaginative troll.

Unimaginative? You really don't know me at all. My craftiness knows no end but I assure you I'm am transgender. I was born male but live as female.

I think that was mean to say I'm unimaginative and a troll.:(

Trans people can troll too.

Quote from: Andy8715 on January 21, 2012, 12:24:03 AM
Trans people can troll too.

I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll. I prefer being called "drama queen"

I'm proud of being trans. I used to be ashamed of it, and I used to want to be totally stealth and move to a foreign country just so nobody would figure out I was trans... but then I figured, what the hell, people are going to judge me no matter what I am so I may as well be proud to be exactly the way I am. I don't announce it from the rooftops, so to speak, but I no longer feel bad about myself if people look at my chest for what I perceive to be longer than normal, etc. Now the way I see it is, people either get it or they don't, and their own views on what my gender is or on whether I fit into their neat little categories of how men should act are irrelevant and there's no point letting it effect me. It's like, instead of obsessing over getting my chest uber-flat, I don't care that much anymore because it's easier to just accept that my chest can only get to a certain flatness til I can get surgery, so it's ok if it's not perfect now. So, yeah, I'm proud of being trans, and of being all the other things that I am. For me it's less of a "pride=sense of accomplishment" and more of a "pride=self-acceptance" type of thing.

^this is perfect. people judge you anyway. anyone who's been a pretty boy knows that prejudice isn't reserved for just gays or trans.

Quote from: batgirl on January 20, 2012, 11:51:58 PM
How so?

As previously stated, the answer is obvious.

For instance, every time I was out in public with my soon-to-be-ex-wife and our kids, we were publicly displaying the results of part of our sex life. The same holds true for any female who conceived through sexual intercourse and is out in public. It's not "dirty" in the least. Personal? Yes. But dirty? No. "Dirty", to me, connotes an unhealthy view of sex.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 21, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
As previously stated, the answer is obvious.

For instance, every time I was out in public with my soon-to-be-ex-wife and our kids, we were publicly displaying the results of part of our sex life. The same holds true for any female who conceived through sexual intercourse and is out in public. It's not "dirty" in the least. Personal? Yes. But dirty? No. "Dirty", to me, connotes an unhealthy view of sex.

I think children are individual people in their own right. not just the product your sexual gratification.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll. I prefer being called "drama queen"

Perhaps a better approach would be to listen, digest, and then comment after giving the issue some consideration.

Sometimes you can make a point better through a dialogue, than through an impulsive comment.

Wow. I feel very sad that so many people are not proud to be themselves.

Quote from: sonic on January 22, 2012, 05:59:29 AM
Wow. I feel very sad that so many people are not proud to be themselves.

I'm proud of being myself for having started my transition.. But I'm not proud of being trans.. To me, that's like being proud of having a limp, or a cleft palate or any medical condition..

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 22, 2012, 06:10:52 AM
I'm proud of being myself for having started my transition.. But I'm not proud of being trans.. To me, that's like being proud of having a limp, or a cleft palate or any medical condition..

Depends on what type of TG it is, and, not the least, who that TG are as a person.
As Wikipedia says; "Transgender is a general term applied to a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies to vary from culturally conventional gender roles."

In other words, even the type of trans consisting of those persons that rather 'chooses' it as a lifestyle, is Transgender. And those persons, for the most part, generally tends to hold a more positive attitude towards being such, as they have never really been dysforic about their anatomies but have rather chosen it as a lifestyle as they felt that it gave them a better life, although they were generally not exactly unhapy with the old life and bodies.

It is fully understandable why some may be just as proud of being TG as much as others are being unhappy about it and considers it being a condition.

I don't see it as anything to be proud of nor ashamed of, it just is.  I'm proud of stuff that I choose to do and the person I've become despite all the things that have happened to me in life.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
I think children are individual people in their own right. not just the product your sexual gratification.

Of course they're people in their own right. But, if they are conceived through sexual congress then it is a very visible, albeit round-about, way of displaying one's sexual orientation quite publicly.

Your original protest against being proud of being gay was that it publicly proclaimed something about one's sex life. And what I'm saying that children conceived through sexual intercourse is a way in which the heterosexual privilege is manifested. Rarely do people complain that it's "dirty" to be proud of one's children.

Back to the topic: I am not ashamed of being either transgender or pansexual (although I prefer the non-existent term "panaffectionate"). I agree with Z7Z in that "pride=self-acceptance."

I will not apologize for what I am. If others are offended by my existence, that's their problem.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 22, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
Of course they're people in their own right. But, if they are conceived through sexual congress then it is a very visible, albeit round-about, way of displaying one's sexual orientation quite publicly.

that's generalizing. They could have been artificially inseminated.

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Your original protest against being proud of being gay was that it publicly proclaimed something about one's sex life. And what I'm saying that children conceived through sexual intercourse is a way in which the heterosexual privilege is manifested. Rarely do people complain that it's "dirty" to be proud of one's children.

Again another stereotype. You are saying hetero people are the only ones who have children.

Quote from: Gifted on January 16, 2012, 02:13:13 AM
Just wondering.

I'm proud of what I've accomplished so far to become the person I feel to be on the inside.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll.

Perhaps you should look into why you are being called this instead of a "drama queen". People can usually tell the difference, so perhaps you're presenting yourself the wrong way?

Quote from: JasonRX on January 22, 2012, 04:48:50 PM
Perhaps you should look into why you are being called this instead of a "drama queen". People can usually tell the difference, so perhaps you're presenting yourself the wrong way?

I'm often called a drama queen on the internet.

However, how do you like is when people call you she? perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?People can usually tell the difference.

Quote from: batgirl on January 22, 2012, 05:05:37 PM
I'm often called a drama queen on the internet.

However, how do you like is when people call you she? perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?People can usually tell the difference.

Um.
Are you trying to be offensive?
People rarely do that to me actually anymore as I pass next to 100% in real life.
:]

So, no, I'm not doing anything wrong.
Try again later.


I was asking you a question out of curiosity and making a suggestion so people take you more seriously. I was trying to be helpful and you resort to a personal attack. Classy.

Other

I am proud of trans people being strong and out!

But I am not proud of being me. By now I feel it more as a burden than as an opportunity, and I do recognize I am trans, but I am too much worried by the consequences to be proud.

Quote from: batgirl on January 22, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
You've been attacking me for days through back stabbing, a negative rep where you accused me of being a HATER.

You hound me as a troll just because I'm not a Trotskyite like 90% of transgender. Some of us are creators, not destroyers. Deal with it. I have to put up with the majority so get of my case and get back to crying with your pals.

I couldn't care less if you pass, think you do, or not. I've got my own mind and I won't be conscripted into the lgbt crying competition due to your bullying.

Interesting use of the word Trotskyite..  Are you saying that 90% of Trans people are advocates for a Revolution?

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I've come to accept the whole tg/ts thing as being a congenital medical trait that really is nobody's business except those that we trust, help us, or have close relationships with. We should take pride in our accomplishments on what we do with our lives via our intellect, knowledge, and capabilities rather than our physical attributes that make each of us unique individuals.

Quote from: veritatemfurto on February 11, 2012, 07:03:38 AM
I've come to accept the whole tg/ts thing as being a congenital medical trait that really is nobody's business except those that we trust, help us, or have close relationships with. We should take pride in our accomplishments on what we do with our lives via our intellect, knowledge, and capabilities rather than our physical attributes that make each of us unique individuals.

Well said, I so agree.

Axélle

To be honest I am ashamed of being a trans. So that's why I struggle to pass as a bio female. I HATE being known as a trans with all these ->-bleeped-<-ing prejudice people have on us. TOO MUCH REJECTION FOR BEING A TRANS. I have no force and energy to struggle with my family, straight men I love, work colleagues and the society in general. I prefer pass and pretend as a bio female, it's easier. I let the more brave ones come in the limelight to open more doorways to our rights etc...but me I prefer conceal myself and hide in the background and act as a bio female.

Other. I'm not proud of being trans as such, but I think I'm proud of being a guy; and since I'm currently biologically female, being a guy necessitates being trans. I guess I'm kind of proud of myself for dealing with being trans... but that said, not proud enough that I wouldn't give it up like a shot for being biomale.

I'm not proud, but I'm also not not proud.   It's just one of those things that happens.  I didn't do anything to be this way..  so..  I dunno.  XD   /bad at words