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...Register with a Transsexual site ...and have all that I am wondering about 'dispelled'!

But, oh no ..groan ...the door is shut in my face 'again'! – Milligram dosages are not allowed to be talked about!

This restricted expression in milligram dosages on Transsexual sites is just plain silly.
I am a law abiding person. – And I'm not about to go out on the street and get dubiously milligramed street hormones.
I respect a doctor's assessment. – But I would like to confirm that my doctor is not giving me a placebo ...just for a doctor's monetary advantage in applying 'appointments'.
In that case ...I want to know, so I can know to look for another doctor.

I have been on what is termed HRT (I HATE acronyms) "Hormone Replacement Therapy" for 1 year now.
'In other words' I'm getting Spironolactone & Conjugated Estrogen prescribed by my doctor.

I'm just wondering if the dosage is right for the Conjugated Estrogen.
I've looked on the internet ...and all I can find for the dosage, is that I am receiving the lowest dosage of Conjugated Estrogen ...which is normally prescribed to menopausal women.

Simple alleviation of my doubts through questioning on a Transsexual site is much more preferable, because it took me 2 years to find the doctor that I have.
Looking for another doctor would be 'again' a horrendous monumental task.

Anyone that would like to contact me to cite 'milligrams' can freely speak to me through my e-mail address listed on my profile.

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

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Hi Skeptical,

The decision was made by Susan not to list suggested doses so it would not seem as if we support Self Medication.  These are the rules here, abide by them, accept them.  They are not going to change just for you.

Now, we all know that doseage information is available all over the web, that's fine.  Let them show what they feel is correct.  The problem is those are averages that people seem to be taking, they do not take into effect your own personal medical history.

If you don't trust what your doctor is giving you, you have no choice but to try and get a second opinion (from a doctor) I am not a doctor and have had no medical training (neither have the majority of our members) asking me or them for medical advice is just looking for misinformation.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on January 31, 2012, 10:19:37 AM
Hi Skeptical,

The decision was made by Susan not to list suggested doses so it would not seem as if we support Self Medication.  These are the rules here, abide by them, accept them.  They are not going to change just for you.

Now, we all know that doseage information is available all over the web, that's fine.  Let them show what they feel is correct.  The problem is those are averages that people seem to be taking, they do not take into effect your own personal medical history.

If you don't trust what your doctor is giving you, you have no choice but to try and get a second opinion (from a doctor) I am not a doctor and have had no medical training (neither have the majority of our members) asking me or them for medical advice is just looking for misinformation.

Why is it that so many 'involved people' get up in such a huff?
You are quite insulting.
You know that I am not self medicating.
How could I possibly be looking for misfortune? - I only use certified medical doctors.

Why don't you just ask your doctor what the range of dosage is? Print out what you've found online, take it and compare to what he/she says.

If you're getting the lowest prescribed dose, ask why. Ask for a higher dose, if there's nothing contraindicating. (I'm not a medical person, I just like using that big word  ;) )

Work with your doctor, not behind his/her back.

imho

Hi Skeptical, those are the rules here, you're not being singled out. We are all here to help each other. The full rules are in the Announcements section, take a peek. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 31, 2012, 10:46:32 AM
Why don't you just ask your doctor what the range of dosage is? Print out what you've found online, take it and compare to what he/she says.

If you're getting the lowest prescribed dose, ask why. Ask for a higher dose, if there's nothing contraindicating. (I'm not a medical person, I just like using that big word  ;) )

Work with your doctor, not behind his/her back.

imho

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I've already gone through the 'questioning of the dosage' with my doctor, Beth.
I'm just looking for confirmation that the lowest dosage - which is normally used for menopausal women - is also used for Transsexual transition.

'In other words' I'm wondering if my doctor is working behind 'my' back, Beth! lol

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Skeptical,

I did not mean to be insulting, nor did I say that "you" were self medicating, I was explaining our rules.  Why we could not give you specific doseage numbers.

I'm sorry if I came across wrong, it was unintentional.

I'm sorry but I have to say it, the red text and overuse/choice of emoticons is giving me the creeps...  It's hard to take your complaint seriously.

I really don't have a very good endo either, but I've found a great GP in my area who's willing to check serum levels and other things that my endo should be checking.  Turns out that my E was too low...  and folate levels were also low. 

This might be the route you should attempt.  Don't replace your endo, but rather find a GP that you are comfortable with who is willing to check things that your endo might not.  Hope this helps.

Quote from: Devlyn on January 31, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Hi Skeptical, those are the rules here, you're not being singled out. We are all here to help each other. The full rules are in the Announcements section, take a peek. Hugs, Devlyn

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Quote from: Sarah Louise on January 31, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
Skeptical,

I did not mean to be insulting, nor did I say that "you" were self medicating, I was explaining our rules.  Why we could not give you specific doseage numbers.

I'm sorry if I came across wrong, it was unintentional.

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The dosage is irrelevant.
To achieve the appropriate levels, one person might be on two or three times the dosage another person is on.
What matters is how much of the hormone is circulating around your body and you will not learn that from reading other people's dosages. 
Get your bloods checked.

Quote from: Skeptical_Me on January 31, 2012, 10:06:12 AM

But, oh no ..groan ...the door is shut in my face 'again'! – Milligram dosages are not allowed to be talked about!

This restricted expression in milligram dosages on Transsexual sites is just plain silly.
I am a law abiding person. – And I'm not about to go out on the street and get dubiously milligramed street hormones.

May not you, but others can see your dosage reports and then try it on their own without any supervision. And dosages are different with everyone; blood results usually dictates the strengths of dosages and what types of medications.

QuoteI respect a doctor's assessment. – But I would like to confirm that my doctor is not giving me a placebo ...just for a doctor's monetary advantage in applying 'appointments'.
In that case ...I want to know, so I can know to look for another doctor.

Talking about different Doctors is great. I have nothing against that.

QuoteI'm just wondering if the dosage is right for the Conjugated Estrogen.
I've looked on the internet ...and all I can find for the dosage, is that I am receiving the lowest dosage of Conjugated Estrogen ...which is normally prescribed to menopausal women.

Your doctor can answer that question for you. If she or he cannot, then I would encourage you to seek a doctor who could best answer your questions in relation to your lab results. The issue about posting your dosages here is the fact that we are not licensed Endocrinologists with access to your lab results. If we did this and an accident happened, the site could be held liable for offering medical advice without certification of a trained professional.

QuoteSimple alleviation of my doubts through questioning on a Transsexual site is much more preferable, because it took me 2 years to find the doctor that I have. Looking for another doctor would be 'again' a horrendous monumental task.

I agree that using a trans site to find a network of doctors is a great idea but that really has nothing to do with comparing dosages.

Hi,
I am the author of this post.
'Please' don't anybody take a negative approach toward me.
I will respect the rules.

Re: Seriousness
The color of my print (and smileys) is my own self expression.
I'm happy. – And I don't see the need to make everything boringly dismal all the time.
'At times' I will also add some color (alleviation) to my words.
But not as a fool.
I have been Government evaluated as 'extremely intelligent'. And I'm probably twice the age (or more) of most of you.

I haven't the time to read everything here.
Sorry.

I got my pm.

Thank you to the administrations patience.

Skeptical

I'm cool with smileys and color! Hugs, Devlyn

And if you're twice my age, well, I'll stop by the nursing home and say Hi! Hugs, Devlyn

Good enough for me Skeptical.

But hopefully your not twice my age or you would probably be the oldest person in the world.  :)

67 x 2 = 134

Really not a problem though, you asked a reasonable question.

Big hugs from me too Skeptical.

I'm sure you understand the need for a prohibition on anything that might be seen as medical advice, on here.

But I do agree, it's frustrating.

Agreed. It ran it's course...and that last post that was deleted...may I suggest to that user to find another site if he hates it so much?

The restriction on talking about dosages is entirely to do with Legal Liability, if you want to moan about it, blame the overly litigious society that America and many other places have become..

Besides which, as had been pointed out, dosage info is fairly useless.. A dose that is fine for 1 person, may be useless for another. The important numbers are your levels, which can only be determined by blood tests and someone who is trained to read the results.. Because guess what? You need to know what more than your E and T levels are..

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 31, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
The restriction on talking about dosages is entirely to do with Legal Liability, if you want to moan about it, blame the overly litigious society that America has become..

Please don't put this on America...getting sorta tired with the America trashing bashing

God forbid anyone infringe upon the mantras of a man of Ayn Rand. Seriously though having so many clinics shut down as needless charity by both public and private officials is a major problem. I cannot think of a better way to drive people to self medicate than to leave all official channels too expensive, I do no expose people give out dosage information, but we do need to do more to actually help eachother find cheap qualified help and not just go -pleh, go see your local specialist like everyone else. 

For what it's worth, the policy, as listed in a sticky on the HRT page is:

C. Discussing dosages is strongly discouraged to prevent information obtained on this site from being used to self medicate.

I emphasized the key phrase to point out it is not a prohibition.  Nevertheless, the rationale behind it is sound, for a number of reasons.

Not sure what I missed that a post had to be deleted, but it should be remembered that a lot of people claim to be doctors, professors, lawyers, and lots of other things. Even here on Susans. Good rule of thumb: Anyone who tells you they have too collage degrees doesn't. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Danacee on January 31, 2012, 06:32:49 PM
God forbid anyone infringe upon the mantras of a man of Ayn Rand. Seriously though having so many clinics shut down as needless charity by both public and private officials is a major problem. I cannot think of a better way to drive people to self medicate than to leave all official channels too expensive, I do no expose people give out dosage information, but we do need to do more to actually help eachother find cheap qualified help and not just go -pleh, go see your local specialist like everyone else.

That's why this site exists.

You can ask for help to find cheaper doctors without asking for dosage tips and DIY tips.

I have helped people find LGBT friendly jobs and colleges. I have helped someone find a therapist who did price adjustments according to the patient's income. I have posted information on jobs that includes SRS in their job package.

Before you rail the site for not doing it's job or doing people injustice for not allowing DIY dosage information, you should stop and look around and read the countless of threads where people have helped others.

Quote from: Devlyn on January 31, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
Good rule of thumb: Anyone who tells you they have too collage degrees doesn't.

LOL I laughed with this one!!

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 31, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
The restriction on talking about dosages is entirely to do with Legal Liability, if you want to moan about it, blame the overly litigious society that America and many other places have become..

Besides which, as had been pointed out, dosage info is fairly useless.. A dose that is fine for 1 person, may be useless for another. The important numbers are your levels, which can only be determined by blood tests and someone who is trained to read the results.. Because guess what? You need to know what more than your E and T levels are..

I would rather blame the people who are to blame.

The US has a constitutionally protected freedom of speech that apply's to EXACTLY this subject.

There are plenty of forums out there where you can discuss what dosage of heroin you should be doing... this has nothing to do with what the admins 'can' do, just what they're willing to risk.

I don't want to risk my membership, I've gotten close to being banned over this topic before, so I will say this as politely as possible.

I believe the admins here have made a personal decision, which is in fact their right to make, that they would rather prohibit discussion of a potentially beneficial topic for harm reduction, because of their fear of litigation.

The most unfortunate part is that they believe or state they believe that this is about protecting people instead of protecting themselves. I would have far more respect for their decisions if they outright stated it was a liability thing not a protecting people thing.

Arguing that prohibiting dosage discussion is helping people is basically the same as abstinence only education. "Just say no".

At the end of the day, until there's a change of management, this is the way it is, and if you don't want to get banned you simply have to abide by it.

Hon, maybe you should take a peek at the rules, too. Publicly protesting the staff is another taboo. Hugs, Devlyn

I wasn't protesting, I was stating the situation as unemotionally as possible as I perceive it.

I did not tell people to rebel, to post dosages anyway, I was explaining the rules and the reasons for them as I understand it.

I know you might not have been referring to me, but I feel I should state my position, I've gotten in trouble for overly charged posts on this subject before.