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I was just wondering if it means anything at all, about the length of those 2 fingers. 
Someone told me that cis males have longer ring fingers than their pointers.

My pointers are longer than my ring fingers, but only a little bit.

Been on this site more often than Santa Claus at Christmas.

Bull I think is the correct way of interpreting the data

No.

And my digit ratio is 1:1

The main thing to be concerned about is the middle digit  :)

Quote from: V M on April 02, 2012, 07:08:31 AM
The main thing to be concerned about is the middle digit  :)

Oh?  Hmmm...well my middle fingers are a fair amount longer than all of my other fingers (which is useful sometimes  ;D). 

Does it have to do with hormones while in the womb or something?

VM is a very rude lady tramp

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LOL... I was being humorous  :laugh:

I have noticed however that on my right hand the ring finger is longer than the index and on my left hand the index is longer than the ring finger

I tend to doubt if finger length has much if anything to with gender

Actually, if the ring finger is longer than the index finger, it means you were exposed to higher testosterone levels as a pubescent.  A scientist proved this by taking 6sprinters and predicting the outcome of multiple races.  He was 100% correct in his predictions over all races and all were done blindly.  I guess it isn't completely fact, but highly suggestive

My ring fingers are longer than my index fingers. whatever that means.

Quote from: Keaira on April 02, 2012, 12:07:03 PM
My ring fingers are longer than my index fingers. whatever that means.

It means you're not really trans, at least that's what I think the OP is trying to get at.

 ;D

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 02, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
It means you're not really trans, at least that's what I think the OP is trying to get at.

Hahaha!!  No, no, I would never suggest that something so trivial as this would mean that a person is not trans, if their fingers aren't certain lengths. 

Somebody just said this to me after I came out to them, that is all.  Since people here are quite educated and experienced in trans issues, I thought i might be interesting to see if its valid or not.

I didn't mean to cause any offense to anyone; if that has happened, I sincerely apologize.

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 02, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
It means you're not really trans, at least that's what I think the OP is trying to get at.

LOL! Oh yea? so what if you have an adams apple? I dont. Isn't that affected by testosterone? Which makes me wonder about the finger length difference.
^_^

Well I think it's been pretty well-studied. Your digit ratio should be pretty indicative of the hormones you got in the womb.

You have to be very honest when measuring though, because the difference between the sexes is determined by just a couple millimeters.

Personally my ratio is just above 1 but that's not a surprise because I'm also short, small, have a natural waist and a wide pelvis, etc.

I think it's ridiculous personally. I think female and male are so suggestive in the overall picture of human characteristics. If someone is born with a penis, their biological sex is going to be male and the morphological structure is going to reflect that.

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 02, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
It means you're not really trans, at least that's what I think the OP is trying to get at.

There is no hierarchy in the trans community. Just a variation of an illusion. I don't think this xy is more xx than this xy. I think people desperately look for justifications for their transitions. When it's as simple as the jockulation "just being yourself".

Cisgirls don't debate who's vagina is more womanly than each other. So why should we? I thought pissing contests ended when we were males? LOL

My index finger and ring finger are the same length...hmm.

Quote from: Tom on April 02, 2012, 02:25:10 PM
My index finger and ring finger are the same length...hmm.

Backscratcher Wolverine.

Quote from: Tom on April 02, 2012, 02:25:10 PM
My index finger and ring finger are the same length...hmm.

Same here.  Some guys I know have gigantic ring fingers in comparison to their index

Quote from: galena on April 02, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
Same here.  Some guys I know have gigantic ring fingers in comparison to their index

Are your hands also large?

my ring fingers are 2mm shorter than the index finger...and as someone else mentioned, no "adams apple" either

not only that but as an adult I have always had small boobs and very long nipples, very odd for a skinny person born with boy parts ;)

Quote from: Michelle G on April 02, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
my ring fingers are 2mm shorter than the index finger...and as someone else mentioned, no "adams apple" either

not only that but as an adult I have always had small boobs and very long nipples, very odd for a skinny person born with boy parts ;)

Not really. Ever see a lot of gay men?

Feminine gay men must be hidden transgender women then. I mean they already act like women.

My index finger is about 1/3 of an inch longer than my ring finger on both hands. No visible adams apple either according to the opinions in the pics I posed when the lady at my office said I had one.

Quote from: michelle666 on April 02, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
My index finger is about 1/3 of an inch longer than my ring finger on both hands. No visible adams apple either according to the opinions in the pics I posed when the lady at my office said I had one.

Sandra Bullock has an Addams apple. Having one doesn't make one more female than anyone else.

this has nothing to do with being trans. It does have to do with your testosterone levels, if you are male and your hormones are not out of wack, your ring will be longer than your index finger. women who have this issue ( which is rare ) are always recommended to go see a doctor cause it is ussually a sign that the female is getting more T than normal causing the ring finger to be longer. I always had female hands ( which is a sign that i might be intersexed ), when ever a girl looked at my hands ( when i was still a boy) they would freak out cause of the finger thing, i didnt mind tho. :)

I was talking to my mom and one of my gal friends about it, they both had their ring fingers longer.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on April 02, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
I was talking to my mom and one of my gal friends about it, they both had their ring fingers longer.

Both my mom's and my sister's fingers are like mine: index fingers are longer.  I wonder if it could be a hereditary thing?

I just came across this article;

http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/06/penis-size-it-may-be-written-in-the-length-of-his-fingers/

It seems penis length is possibly related to this finger thing also. They say shorter index finger, longer penis.

I think a lot of the "magic" ratios and "gender" markers are just a convenient excuse for our differences.  Some trans people feel more comfortable if they can "prove" they are physically different.  If you feel more socially acceptable because your finger ratio is just so or any other body parts then good for you.  As long as it isn't used as a test (trannier-than-thou) then who cares.

My index fingers are marginally longer and my second toe is smaller than my big toe (another "marker" people use), but I could likely find a dozen "tests" that would show maleness instead.  However my CIS-female wife's second toe is bigger than her big toe which is "supposed" to be a marker for maleness.

It is all so variable and there are so many interacting factors that it is never going to be that simple.  As some people said hereditary plays a huge role in some of this, but then sometimes some of our characteristics don't fit that mold properly.  For example even though I am 5'11", I was always considered short by my family.  Standing next to my 5'4" wife, our hips are at the same height so my legs are short, but then I have a long torso so even parts of my body fit the hereditary profile of that family while others don't.

Quote from: michelle666 on April 03, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
I just came across this article;

http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/06/penis-size-it-may-be-written-in-the-length-of-his-fingers/

It seems penis length is possibly related to this finger thing also. They say shorter index finger, longer penis.

That's actually a pretty interesting article.  Thanks for posting it.  :)

Quote from: michelle666 on April 03, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
I just came across this article;

http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/06/penis-size-it-may-be-written-in-the-length-of-his-fingers/

It seems penis length is possibly related to this finger thing also. They say shorter index finger, longer penis.

Interesting... my penis is small and so is my index finger.

Quote from: Jeneva on April 03, 2012, 06:57:40 AM
I think a lot of the "magic" ratios and "gender" markers are just a convenient excuse for our differences.  Some trans people feel more comfortable if they can "prove" they are physically different.  If you feel more socially acceptable because your finger ratio is just so or any other body parts then good for you.  As long as it isn't used as a test (trannier-than-thou) then who cares.

My index fingers are marginally longer and my second toe is smaller than my big toe (another "marker" people use), but I could likely find a dozen "tests" that would show maleness instead.  However my CIS-female wife's second toe is bigger than her big toe which is "supposed" to be a marker for maleness.

It is all so variable and there are so many interacting factors that it is never going to be that simple.  As some people said hereditary plays a huge role in some of this, but then sometimes some of our characteristics don't fit that mold properly.  For example even though I am 5'11", I was always considered short by my family.  Standing next to my 5'4" wife, our hips are at the same height so my legs are short, but then I have a long torso so even parts of my body fit the hereditary profile of that family while others don't.

Good post!   :D

it's a very crude measure of how much testosterone you were exposed to in-vivo

Note this is a factor that increases the chance of you begin transsexual yet it doesn't determine it. And as such it doesn't invalidate anyone here even if you lack the trait.

so don't start spewing crap and saying "WELL I DONT HAVE THAT THUS URRRR WWWRRROONNGG."

My index fingers are a bit longer than ring fingers, on both hands. Though I really don't believe in such things as a scientific method.

Now, in all honesty, does it really matter? We are all different.

My two cents worth.

my ring finger is very slightly longer than the index

Quote from: Maja.V on April 03, 2012, 07:34:31 AM
My index fingers are a bit longer than ring fingers, on both hands. Though I really don't believe in such things as a scientific method.

I remember reading it was actually proven and researched that pre-natal androgen ratios affect the digit lengths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio look at the references at the bottom of the page

Quote from: Maegan on April 03, 2012, 07:51:32 AM
Now, in all honesty, does it really matter? We are all different.

My two cents worth.

I don't think it matters really.  The original post was just out of plain curiousity of the matter.  It caused a bit of a fuss though, I think. 

Quote from: Cindy James on April 02, 2012, 06:38:27 AM
Bull I think is the correct way of interpreting the data

This.  It's definiely not a valid scientific theory.

Also just out of curiousity, I measured the lengths of my ring and index fingers.

Right hand
Index: 6.9cm
ring: 6.5cm

left hand
index: 7.1cm
ring: 6.4cm

I just learned something useless about myself  ;D

Quote from: Stephanie_b on April 03, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
I just learned something useless about myself  ;D

Not useless. If you ever need to measure something to exactly 7.1cm, then you'll know that you only need to apply your left hand index finger to it. ;D

Quote from: Sephirah on April 03, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Not useless. If you ever need to measure something to exactly 7.1cm, then you'll know that you only need to apply your left hand index finger to it. ;D

Hehehe, yea! ;D

scientific or not....I'm just glad my "boy parts" are not bigger than they are...ugh  ;)

very interesting discussion though!!

Heh, well, my boyfriend has the same finger ratio as me (shorter ring finger than index), and he's a normal, quite many, and very well endowed guy. So I don't know. The penis size vs. finger size doesn't seem to hold for everyone. :D

Quote from: Andy8715 on April 03, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
This.  It's definiely not a valid scientific theory.

Of course not--after all, you have just posted a very scientific debunking.

And really, you should be able to tell just by looking at someone what kind of digit ratio they have (well, if you measure accurately).

http://www.livescience.com/18484-finger-length-masculine-faces.html

Yeah-it's definitely linked to testosterone exposure in the womb. The average ratio is 0.99 for a 'woman' and 0.96 for a 'man' (not sure if that would be gender identity or birth-assigned sex...). Ratios above 1 are a longer index finger, ratios below 1 are a longer ring finger.

Me...I'm an FTN. I discovered the finger-digit ratio when I was questioning, and I looked down at my fingers and was all like "EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW!"

I once took a test that said it would figure out my brain sex (it came out as neutral-go figure-though I'm diagnosed autistic and autistics are considered to have extreme male brains, so I'm going with that). It had my finger-digit ratio as one of the questions on that test...I discovered my ratio was 0.85 on my left hand and 0.8 on my right :o

Now that makes me wonder how I ended up with a vagina :D

I like Cindy's interpreting as Bull  ;D

Jean

Quote from: Stephanie_b on April 02, 2012, 06:29:23 AM
I was just wondering if it means anything at all, about the length of those 2 fingers. 
Someone told me that cis males have longer ring fingers than their pointers.

I'm MtF, my index finger is shorter than my ring finger. My spouse is cis female both of hers are the same length. This is probably just a generalization though!

Quote from: Jean510TV on April 04, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
I like Cindy's interpreting as Bull  ;D

Jean

Yeah me too i've noticed Cindy's posts tend to be pretty hilarious  :D

Ive also noticed that depending on if I look at my fingers with my palm towards or away from me my index finger is longer or they are both the same or occasionally my ring finger looks longer.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on April 02, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
I was talking to my mom and one of my gal friends about it, they both had their ring fingers longer.

I found out that for my mom, this is only true for one hand, the other follows the rule. Also for me, my right hand's ring finger is significantly longer than my right index, and on my left hand, my ring finger is only slightly longer, but they look the same length.