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I know this may sound like a stupid question, but twice in the past week I have been hit on by men who knew who I was.  The latest was last night.  We have a local trans forum.  When I signed on, a guy started in on me big time.  He was sending me pm after pm.  I answered the first one to be friendly, before I saw where this was headed.  He told me he was looking at my avatar and my gallery.  He told me where he works.  He gave me his cell #.  He told me:  "You are so hot!"  Then:  "I'll take you right now, babe!"   And on it went.  What a creep.  (That's why I like Susan's better.)

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why someone who identifies as straight would want to chase T-girls?  I have my opinions, but I'd like to know yours.

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Closet cases mostly. I could use vulgar language and the like in regards to what they want, instead I will simply say they want you to be as unladylike in the bedroom as possible, but look like one. It's sad really, because I know many cute gay guys that go dateless. Then again, I wouldn't wish these creeps on anyone.

-- Bridget

Most are creeps, a few are curious, some may even be in the closet. Most of the guys at my work also know my BF and back way off, he's 6'2" 250lbs and not an ounce of fat on him  >:D The funniest thing is some of the other women at work drool over him and sneer at me...

You're lucky. Even as an androgyne or whatever the heck I am, I get the creeps. Then again so does my sister, so I guess all the non-masculine members of my family must be creep magnets.  :P

-- Bridget

I will respond via PM. ;)

tink :icon_chick:

Ehm..
Well, this creep put aside..

Maybe there are some straight men who recognize the simple fact that you're a woman? I mean; it cán happen. Although I must say that behaving in such a fashion as you described is just...

Yuck.

Hey Kristi! You're so hot, let me give you my cell...just trying to make you feel at home!  >:D

Seriously, I have no idea why anybody does anything the way they do anymore! Well, I have a hypothesis: Men that behave that way are clearly desperate or they wouldn't behave that way. I know plenty of men that are respectful and gentlemanly,and they are not desperate (big surprise, there!)  I think these desperate guys are judging you by the very mistaken idea that transexual women are desperate and think that they actually have a chance!  You're best bet is not to be too nice (desperate men always take that as a sign of hope) and politely tell them you're not interested or simply ignore them altogether for their rudeness.  These guys are probably desperate for a reason. I assure you there are plenty of decent, non-desperate men out there than can appreciate you for being you. The trick is finding and identifying them, then catching them when they're not taken...ready your tackle box! >:D

Quote from: angelsgirl on March 29, 2007, 01:59:42 PM
Hey Kristi! You're so hot, let me give you my cell...just trying to make you feel at home!  >:D

Seriously, I have no idea why anybody does anything the way they do anymore! Well, I have a hypothesis: Men that behave that way are clearly desperate or they wouldn't behave that way. I know plenty of men that are respectful and gentlemanly,and they are not desperate (big surprise, there!)  I think these desperate guys are judging you by the very mistaken idea that transexual women are desperate and think that they actually have a chance!  You're best bet is not to be too nice (desperate men always take that as a sign of hope) and politely tell them you're not interested or simply ignore them altogether for their rudeness.  These guys are probably desperate for a reason. I assure you there are plenty of decent, non-desperate men out there than can appreciate you for being you. The trick is finding and identifying them, then catching them when they're not taken...ready your tackle box! >:D

A round of applause here  ;D

Quote from: angelsgirl on March 29, 2007, 01:59:42 PM
Hey Kristi! You're so hot, let me give you my cell...just trying to make you feel at home!  >:D

I'm sure that this was the part Cindy was applauding.  LMAO!

Well, to clarify, I am not looking and not interested.  So I am certainly not tempted either.  And if I ever am, it certainly will not be with someone like that.  I did not know them personally.  They saw my online profile.  So yeah, they certainly must have been quite desperate.

My own working theory is that it is a way of exploring their own secret desires, trying to live them vicariously through someone else.  However, I do not want to get close enough to test out this theory.  Now I have no delusion that all men are out for the same thing.  I know plenty of respectful guys, and have been known even to be one at times. ;) 

What really torqued me is that one of these guys who was calling was at work, on duty as an EMS dispatcher.  At the same time he was trying to score a ->-bleeped-<- touchdown, who know what emergency call he was ignoring.  Sounds like such a responsible individual.  NOT.  I would call him a scumbag, but then I would have to apologize to bags filled with scum.

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I really don't know what it is. I think that most of them are perfectly straight. But there is a curious aspect to this part of sexuality.  I think that this is why we are so vehemently hated among some religious groups. They are attracted to us and it scares the be "jesus" out of them!

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 29, 2007, 08:27:43 PM
They are attracted to us and it scares the be "jesus" out of them!

By god that has the pstench (http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/answers/faqs/X0011_FAQ_ON_SLACK.html) of rightness about it!

Karen (Ordained SubGenius UberWoman)(Stick THAT in "Bob"s pipe and smoke it)

As a rule I don't date people who knew I was trans before they expressed interest.

QuoteI would call him a scumbag, but then I would have to apologize to bags filled with scum.

ROFLMAO!

Point.

Set.

Match.

Well one of these creeps will not stop writing.  Always wanting to know what I am doing.  I know I should just use my spam filter to block his emails.  But last night he wrote me, "Hey babe what are you doing?"  I write him back "Cleaning my Uzi and doing some target practice."  Funny, he stopped writing.  We'll see if he resumes.

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OMG you are a scarey girl. Remind me not to try pick you up in a bar. LOL.

Kristi, if I told you of all the guys who vowed their dying love for me you'd laugh.  These guys are living in a dream world when on the Internet.  They use it to do what they don't have the guts to do in real life.  Let's face it, guy rules are pretty rigid and most guys are homophobic.  We represent a bridge to the gay world.  We look like women but we have the same plumbing as a man (at least for a while) so they choose to see us as women but deep down they want to experiment with a man.  Not all are like this but once I started telling my suitors I WILL have SRS they dropped off the face of the earth.

Most guys are "sex first, ask questions later".  That's their nature.  I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it, it's just the way they're made.

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on April 01, 2007, 11:43:44 AM

Most guys are "sex first, ask questions later".  That's their nature.  I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it, it's just the way they're made.

Julie

I was never like that even when I was drunk, I'm not a regular 'guy', though.  :)

Quote from: RebeccaFog on April 01, 2007, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: Julie Marie on April 01, 2007, 11:43:44 AM

Most guys are "sex first, ask questions later".  That's their nature.  I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it, it's just the way they're made.

Julie

I was never like that even when I was drunk, I'm not a regular 'guy', though.  :)

Neither was I... I was just way too shy and I didnt believe in bugging anyone....
Heheheheh, now Im the one being bothered... idiots on yahoo... idiots on myspace who cant read... idiots at bars... though the ones at bars are the most tollorable... they may be drunk, but they know when to leave off and never come back...  Some of them are actualy pretty decent people  :)

Just watch out for the gay guys..  no offence to the gay populaton but some of them are more creepy than any straight guy... and because there gay, and they dont understand your TS not a DQ they are even more insessant and horrable than the most vulgar of the net peoples...  Atleast you can close a window on the net... IRL carry pepper spray.

One guy I knew who identified as straight but would date a T-girl did so because he might find the individual attractive and feel there is a connection.  finding guys like this can be difficult, but not impossible.  for the most part when I get hit on by a guy I just mention that I am transsexual and that is enough for them to run. 

Unbelievable.  He wrote me back and told me that "chicks with guns are so hot."  He then told me about his collection.  Maybe I deserved that.  Funny thing, I know who this guy is, through he has no idea who he is talking to.  Time to block his address.

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I would block it in a heart beat. He sounds like a sick ba____. Some one with guns might have one on them.
I have on occasion when I was a little younger told some straight guys that were making advances I was transsexual and if they would pay for the opperation they could use it anytime they wanted. All backed off with no physical violence. Just some verbal.

Deb

Deb GF be careful, that was gutsy you never know what could happen when you come out.

I know where you are coming from. I was younger and bolder. That is not to say I have smarted up too much. I am still a dingy blond. I don't run my mouth much any more. I have lost any desire to challenge people. My only defense now is that I would have to scratch their eyes out.

Deb

Now if only I would get smarter and stop threatening the guys that are three times my size by saying I'll slap them so hard their grandma will feel it! I get tired of people taking my seat (and moving my stuff) or using me as a point of intersection in a crowd because I'm little.  >:( I'm developing a Napoleon complex!  >:D

The guy just can't take a hint.  He can't email me directly, but he still pm's me from the forum.  And then it shows up.  Seems like every time he goes to work he starts in on me.  That forum has no ignore feature either.  May just have to dump it but I don't want to.  And I can't believe this is what he's doing when he's supposed to be an EMS dispatcher.  He must really be hard up.  I've seen my pics and I have no delusions.

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Men are horney fracking beasts! Rule 34 and 35 [4chan] should be the only warnings one needs as the overly sexed up imaginations of males. ;) Nothing personal, but it's true. :3

-- Brede

Kristi,

First I do not respond to sales people.  This is clearly a salesperson.

Second tell the sales person I will report you to the Forum Leader if you do not stop.

Third send them to Debbie

Quote from: debisl on April 04, 2007, 11:39:31 AM
My only defense now is that I would have to scratch their eyes out.

Fourth tell the Sales person you do not want any more private messages.

Fifth Delete, Delete, Delete.

Quote from: Wendy on April 05, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
Kristi,
First I do not respond to sales people.  This is clearly a salesperson.

Sales guy, huh?   Wonder what he's selling.

Quotehey sexy,what ya doin tonight?

Quotehey there babe, call me lets talk xxx-xxx-xxxx

Quotehey sexy, you know you want me.  I'm on duty right now.  Call me and let's meet up. xxx-xxx-xxxx

QuoteO yeah, you know I'd take you..............

He's got one heck of a sales pitch.

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Hi Kristi,

   I finally thought of how to stop that guy.
   Phase 1.   Let him know that you really don't like the communications and that you are feeling he is harassing you. I know you've tried to discourage him and if you feel you've definitely done all you can with that, then go into what I call phase 2.
   Phase 2. Since you have his phone number and you know what he does or where he works for a living, send him notice that you are not flattered by his attention and if he continues harassing you, then you will be forced to call his place of work and notify them of what he is doing on their time. You can be nice and tell him that you don't want to do that, but you will if you feel it is necessary.


Rebecca

Kristi, Rebecca has a great plan.  However go to step 2 and tell the Sales Person that you will leave a message at their office.  Go for the eyes!  Stop being nice.  If the person is married ask Debbie to leave a message for you with the wife.

I thought about giving his number to this skanky street walked that always hangs around near my office.  But that would be cruel to her.  I know I'm no prize catch, but surely that would would be a step down.

Or maybe I could post it out on our sign board and advertise a free cruise if you call this number.

Or maybe call and request that this phone number be disconnected.

Or maybe I post a fake ebay ad with his phone number as the contact auctioning off his motorcycle with no reserve.



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Kristi, you are so funny but that is evil!

Have a heart for this guy.  Post his number with the following:  Big burly man wanted for roommate.  Free rent if like top position.  (That will get a lot of calls!)

Seriously do not tolerate that kind of stuff.  If it were me I would just call the office and leave a message that I was not interested in what he was selling.  That would not get him in trouble but would stop the calls.

W

QuoteOr maybe I post a fake ebay ad with his phone number as the contact auctioning off his motorcycle with no reserve.

Kristi, that's perfect! Seriously though, good luck keeping this sleazy guy away.

zythyra

Ummmmm
ricki thinks
PERVERT!
>:( work past the slime and something clear and good shows through!
Ricki

Quote from: Kristi on April 05, 2007, 05:58:05 PM
I thought about giving his number to this skanky street walked that always hangs around near my office.  But that would be cruel to her.  I know I'm no prize catch, but surely that would would be a step down.

Or maybe I could post it out on our sign board and advertise a free cruise if you call this number.

Or maybe call and request that this phone number be disconnected.

Or maybe I post a fake ebay ad with his phone number as the contact auctioning off his motorcycle with no reserve.

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I'm sure you're kidding, but please don't do anything that could get you in trouble. You don't want to be investigated or taken to court for anything.

Hey Rebecca,
Thanks for the concern, hon.  But I do assure you I am really joking.  I wouldn't do anything to draw more attention to me.  Not on purpose anyway.  Sometimes I get a little loopy and start to daydream and act silly.  I'll probably just keep on ignoring him until he gets tired of it.

Peace!
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Don't know how computer savy you are, but if you go to a telephone directory site, many of them have a reverse look up section... ie enter a phone number and get an address.  If his number isn't unlisted, then you could send him something interesting in the mail.... Not that I would EVER do such a thing myself....

>:D LGF

Well I can tell you I am a straigh guy that loves transgender women. I am in a very serious relationship with a TG in Phoenix and I live in Louisville KY. We talk every night when she get in from work for about 1 to 4 a night. I have never treated her the way you decribed that man did he is not a gentleman he is what give men a bad name (he is a jerk) some one that just wants one thing. If you really care about the TG you are talking to you need to get to know them first. We call each other Husband and Wife, we have never meet in person but there is concection between us that we can not break and don't want to. In April she is coming to meet me and my children then we are going out to Phoenix for her birthday by the end of the year she is moving here. Her dreams and now mine are to open a half way house for TG people in Louisville with in the next 5 years. She says i am special (uniquic)there are not alot of men that want to understand the TG people but I care about them so much I can't understand why there are groups out there that would want to hurt them and anyone in GBLT community

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 29, 2007, 08:27:43 PM
I really don't know what it is. I think that most of them are perfectly straight. But there is a curious aspect to this part of sexuality.  I think that this is why we are so vehemently hated among some religious groups. They are attracted to us and it scares the be "jesus" out of them!

Cindi

:D :D :D

Thanx for the laugh, Cindi.

What you said however, evokes a little thought.

Quote from: Kristi on April 05, 2007, 05:58:05 PM
I thought about giving his number to this skanky street walked that always hangs around near my office.  But that would be cruel to her.  I know I'm no prize catch, but surely that would would be a step down.

Or maybe I could post it out on our sign board and advertise a free cruise if you call this number.

Or maybe call and request that this phone number be disconnected.

Or maybe I post a fake ebay ad with his phone number as the contact auctioning off his motorcycle with no reserve.



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:D :D :D :D

Hey Kristi,

I dont know what your intentions are but sexual harrasment is a serious offence, How would you feel about telling the police.

Or yer just delete the messages and block that e-mail address, much easier ow and make sure that e-bay posting can be seen here in the UK to ;D.

But seriousely get rid of this sex pest it might be e-mails at the moment but you dont know what hes capable of.

good luck
LUCY

Well only two emails this past week.  Looks like he's losing momentum.  Just choosing to ignore for now.

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One of the things I did in the early stages of recognizing my GID was opening an adult site profile (No, no intention to go hook up with a bunch of random guys. I never met anyone.) I didn't do anything too bad, for the most part just some sexy shots of myself. And it felt good to have those appreciated.

It was pretty much the same thing. "Straight" guys. As much as I'd like to think that they were doing what someone else said and looking to the inner woman, that's just not possible from such a detatched level. It's physical, pure and simple.

A lot of young 'bottoms' (women, tg, gays, lesbians - regardless of your orientation, the non dominants) are vulnerable and open to sweet talking or whatever else makes them feel wanted and desired. Someone dealing with such confusion as we do and expressing it at my age is extra vulnerable. Easy target for a hookup.

And gays who think drag queen, or think we're just wearing womens' clothing because we're gay.

Oh, and the other groups were the 40, 50, 55 year old guys. 80% of my mail was from guys twice my age, to significantly older than my father wanting me to be their little girl. Oh god, that was creepy.

I did get contacted by a few crossdressers/TG/TS/etc, which made sense. Though, I really don't have any interest in another MTF or a crossdresser.

I also believe it's internet-obsessed guys into anime dickgirls and ->-bleeped-<- porn, the pathetic creeps. And the confused straight guys who are afraid to explore their sexuality. I feel for the latter because it isn't an easy position to be in, but they don't really understand. Heh, ->-bleeped-<-, i'm TG with bi desires (though I still can't figure out if liking women makes me "gay" or not  ::)) and of course fill everything out/answer as Straight unless it's directly related to me being TG.

Quote from: Autumn on April 18, 2007, 03:39:21 PM
And the confused straight guys who are afraid to explore their sexuality. I feel for the latter because it isn't an easy position to be in, but they don't really understand. Heh, ->-bleeped-<-, i'm TG with bi desires (though I still can't figure out if liking women makes me "gay" or not  ::)) and of course fill everything out/answer as Straight unless it's directly related to me being TG.

   That's odd. You just described me

MTF and preferring women?

Not so odd Rebecca, it seems pretty common for us. And! Most of my GG friends over the years have said women look better than men, and those of us who've lived as men know the quality of most guys :p

Though, let's face it. The real reason we want to find women is the hope that they'll be our size.  :angel:

The gay thing was pretty tongue-in-cheek, the very last concern I have is worrying about labeling that, haha.

Well,  I admit that most women that I know take excellent care of themselves, and they do look better than some of my male friends; however, that does not mean that I could ever be sexually attracted to them (women) regardless of how beautiful and fabulous they may be or look.  Yikes!  :icon_yikes: no, no, no, no, no!  :P

tink :icon_chick:

i like straight guys, which shouldn't be a surprise. a guy who just wants sex doesn't interest me. being post-op, "->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s" looking for that "bridge" to some kind of gay sex stay away from me. a lot of men who have been attracted to me backed off very quickly when i informed them of my history, and that is just as well. i am open about my history to men who give me the signals, if i am interested in them, even though i would just like to put it in the past like any other medical condition. it is a lot easier to be rejected up front, and not after you have developed a friendship. (or more) why tell them at all? i guess because i want to have a real relationship with a real guy who can see me for who i am, with all of my imperfections. i lived a lie for way too long to want to adopt another one. i have a few guys who i am seeing. at my age, they all have baggage. married, recently divorced, seperated, or maybe just not looking to commit. they say you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you will find your prince. i hope not too many... i don't really want much. just an ordinary guy who can be a friend, who really wants to share his life with me.

ps- i don't hate "->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s", or women, or gay guys, or guys who just want sex, or anyone. they don't disgust me or frighten me. they just don't interest me or make me feel any attraction.

Quote from: Dryad on March 29, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
Ehm..
Well, this creep put aside..

Maybe there are some straight men who recognize the simple fact that you're a woman? I mean; it cán happen. Although I must say that behaving in such a fashion as you described is just...

Yuck.

I don't know.  I used to be spend alot of time with YM turned on so I could see when my friends were on, but no more.  It got so that at least a half dozen guys would be hitting on me for sex every day.  When I got tired of politely telling them to leave me alone, I sometimes would tell them what I really am.  They never failed to turn tail and run.

Quote from: Julie Marie on April 01, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
Kristi, if I told you of all the guys who vowed their dying love for me you'd laugh.  These guys are living in a dream world when on the Internet. 

Oh, lordy!  I had one of those ('cept he wasn't straight) who would call me up on my cell phone and tell me that he worshipped me.  Do you have any idea how creeped out that made me?

Quote from: RebeccaFog on April 05, 2007, 05:44:13 PM
   I finally thought of how to stop that guy.
   Phase 1.   Let him know that you really don't like the communications and that you are feeling he is harassing you. I know you've tried to discourage him and if you feel you've definitely done all you can with that, then go into what I call phase 2.
   Phase 2. Since you have his phone number and you know what he does or where he works for a living, send him notice that you are not flattered by his attention and if he continues harassing you, then you will be forced to call his place of work and notify them of what he is doing on their time. You can be nice and tell him that you don't want to do that, but you will if you feel it is necessary.

Whatever else you do, I suggest you go here:

http://dontdatehimgirl.com/index.html

Lisbeth sounds like your a real man eater, so they just cant leave you alone, you lucky girl. LOL ;D

Quote from: Lucy on April 23, 2007, 12:56:14 PM
Lisbeth sounds like your a real man eater, so they just cant leave you alone, you lucky girl. LOL ;D

ROFLMAO!!!!  Ya, right.  On-line and in-person aren't quite the same.  I don't mind in-person guys checking me out.  I just wish most of them weren't so... old.  Actually that's not true anymore.  Some of them now are of a reasonable age.

Speaking of not leaving me alone, there's this guy at church, Bob.  He acts like he's really interested in me.  Only thing is, he's in his eighties.  Of course, he has me indentified as connected to my kids, but last Sunday he pointed out Deb, my spouse, and referred to her as my "friend. Or is she your mother?"   :laugh:  Nothing like estrogen to give you that youthful look.

Quote from: Lisbeth on April 25, 2007, 03:18:41 PM
but last Sunday he pointed out Deb, my spouse, and referred to her as my "friend. Or is she your mother?"   :laugh:  Nothing like estrogen to give you that youthful look.

My wife would plotz if she heard something like that. :)

Rhonda

Quote from: rhondabythebay on April 26, 2007, 12:22:20 PM
My wife would plotz if she heard something like that. :)

I'm glad mine didn't!

sometimes the simple answer is the best?

maybe he saw a very attractive woman and wanted sex?

crude, but to the point...I think many men are looking for feminine women (most tgirls are more feminine than 'real' women') but they have made a false assumption that 'us' girls are all alike...there are many girls out there exploring their sexuality and 'one bad apple spoils the whole barrel'

Always...Teree

Hopefully nobody will mind me chipping in my two cents, even if they are slightly overdue. I'm a genetic male and consider myself straight (should anyone be wondering: the reason I joined Susan's is because of my girlfriend, who is a post-op m2f).

Most men (the large majority) don't look for a t-girl at all and stick with genetic girls. This is because they either don't know, or because their fragile ego's are too easily overwhelmed and can't handle it (ever notice that sometimes when you tell a man you're m2f, it suddenly becomes about him and how you 'reflect' on him, and not about you?).

There are a few men who don't actively look for a t-girl over a genetic girl, but would have no objections dating one or having a serious relationship with one. To them, it makes no difference if a girl is a genetic female or a t-girl. I fit in this category. They're both women, and if you're into women, what's the problem?

Then there are men who actively pursue t-girls over genetic girls. Some of them (albeit few) do so because they are looking for certain qualities which genetic females don't possess in equal measure, the femininity (sp?) thing, for example. One of the things I like the most about my girlfriend (apart from her eyes) is that she behaves way more feminine than any genetic girl I've ever met. I was drawn to her because of that, so I can understand if some men are actively looking for those qualities (I wasn't).

The other kind of man who actively pursues t-girls over genetic girls is the one who does so for the wrong reasons. They aren't interested in the person herself at all, they are only interested in sex with a t-girl exactly because she is a t-girl . The fact she's a transsexual is objectified (=they don't look at t-girls as people, but like objects that are there to fill their urges). It is made into a fetish, which they want to satisfy. They have no interest whatsoever in the people themselves, and (ab)use them to get their own way. They aren't interested in a genuine, real relationship. Their family and friends don't know about their "fetish" and they want to keep it hidden from their surroundings. They are lavish with words but will never back them up. These are the ->-bleeped-<-s. Unfortunately it seems most men who approach t-girls fall into this category :(. Sometimes it can be difficult to discern if they're being genuine or not.

I'm not saying every men can be categorised as such, but from what my girlfriend told me I think many can.

Hi Kristie
This may have been covered as I went to the end of the  thread. I've had a similar experience and talked through it. He wanted sex, nothing else just sex. Very basic, oral and anal. I'm not a threat to his girl friend.  I look attractive enough to overcome his sexual doubts (presumption). I'm just a sex object, he was doing me a favour. He was a prick, mentally and physically. I was very tempted even knowing where he came from. I enjoy oral and was interested, but then realised he was just into using me. His straight GF or wife would suffer; and lord knows where he had stuck it before.

Nasty Guys are sometimes attractive

Cindy