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  Have you noticed how alot of people in the MTF section fight with each other non-stop more then any of the other section on the board?

  Is that supposed to be women debating? Looks more like a male pissing match to me.  ::)

  I don't know why but sometimes I get a male vibe when I vist there....

  Seriously girls please at least try' n get along with each other and play nice, it's kind of embarrassing.   

De-gendering people who are probably insecure about how others perceive them that isn't gonna make anybody listen or respect you.

I'm Just Saying.

Ever heard of the fact the female part of the tribe is more emotional?

Well, that's what I guess is the case here quite often.
Males don't enjoy it as much as girls do... should never try and take any part in it, for all I can tell. :)

Girls-talk is often very embarrassing for male expectations... something to take note of, the sooner the better.

Guess why we always move away into the kitchen, um?

Michelle

If this question were asked by some raving feminist, seeking to 'prove' whatever, I'd understand it.

I can understand how a deaf person must feel when asked why they don't just listen. Or a cripple how it must feel when asked why they don't just choose to walk.

I can't remember the last time I had to expend so much energy resisting the temptation to punch my screen.

I'm sorry, I know we are suppose to try to get along, but your ignorance and stupidity, not to mention your temerity or your dam cheek disgusts me.

Seems somebody mo-betta move out the kitchen already... wow :)

There is this saying: "If you can't take the heat... get out the kitchen", hum.

Michelle

I don't think it's limited to the MTF side, I've been dragged out of brawls in the FTM section, too! Seriously, though, if you look at the forum stats, the Male/Female ratio is nowhere near an equal split. It's just sheer traffic. Hugs, Devlyn

Hormones?  ;)

Quote from: MacKenzie on April 14, 2012, 03:30:37 AMmale pissing match...

...male vibe

So are you calling the MTF community here men? Women are known to be catty so I don't see how it's any different here.

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 14, 2012, 09:18:03 AMWomen are known to be catty so I don't see how it's any different here.

Exactly. As someone coming from the other side, these threads always amuse me. Seems like some people here put women on a pedestal, like they're always loving and cooperative. The most competitive and drama-filled jobs I've had have been in predominately female offices.

Quote from: driven on April 14, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Exactly. As someone coming from the other side, these threads always amuse me. Seems like some people here put women on a pedestal, like they're always loving and cooperative. The most competitive and drama-filled jobs I've had have been in predominately female offices.

Unfortunately I'm inclined to agree. If anyone refuses to believe what goes on then they should watch the Apprentice on TV - when it gets down to eviction time, the women behave less than admirably and it almost becomes handbags at dawn.

Quote from: Bexi on April 14, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
Hormones?  ;)

Yep... all over the place, um.

Pray, I say... there's life after being on hormones? :)

Even humour?

Good to know then, um.

Michelle
PS: and Amen! to "driven" ... actually amusing - one only got to SEE it though! :)

Quote from: driven on April 14, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Exactly. As someone coming from the other side, these threads always amuse me. Seems like some people here put women on a pedestal, like they're always loving and cooperative. The most competitive and drama-filled jobs I've had have been in predominately female offices.

It is not limited to offices, even out on the production floor there is a lot of drama!  As an engineer I've spent a lot of time in the office area and about as much out in production working amongst women. Women in real life are different than what some social anthropologists would have us believe. From what my wife tells me, female bosses are the worse for a woman. Not only do they spend the day trying to prove they can piss further up a tree than the guys, they ride the women that don't see the point to it.

Quote from: JoanneB on April 14, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
It is not limited to offices, even out on the production floor there is a lot of drama!  As an engineer I've spent a lot of time in the office area and about as much out in production working amongst women. Women in real life are different than what some social anthropologists would have us believe. From what my wife tells me, female bosses are the worse for a woman. Not only do they spend the day trying to prove they can piss further up a tree than the guys, they ride the women that don't see the point to it.

I agree.   The worst boss I ever had was female because of what you said, and this was just a job at the mini-BX.  Of course you can also get sexist male bosses, like I have right now.  It drives me crazy because he keeps insisting I call a guy to a job that I'm capable of doing myself (and have done myself).

But women do often getting "catty" discussions, but sometimes it's just viewed that way from people who aren't a part of the woman club.  I've probably had discussions with females that could be seen as "catty", but we were all just having a good time and discussing things. -shrug-

LOL hormones and insecure people adding a pinch of internet anonymity. Really it should be pretty obvious...I do find it Ironic though that the content of the original post, was nearly certain to provoke an negative response.

Quote from: driven on April 14, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Exactly. As someone coming from the other side, these threads always amuse me. Seems like some people here put women on a pedestal, like they're always loving and cooperative. The most competitive and drama-filled jobs I've had have been in predominately female offices.

QFT

And I will add that pissing matches here have a decidedly feminine tone - a lot of appearance one up man ship and cattiness over how another woman dresses or presents herself (in the cisworld, it's about who's dressing/acting like a slut. Here, it's who's dressing/acting like a drag queen (man).

There's also a heavy age bias is the mtf community very common with ciswomen. With ciswomen, it's who's younger, prettier, had work done, still hot, etc. Mtfs, it's who started earlier (and therefore has more potential of being hot), had FFS, looks most like a cisgirl, etc.
Add puberty level hormones to that and you can end up with a bunch of mean adolescent girls *

And women are more likely to see another woman as the enemy than men are.
* Not saying you all are like that  :laugh:

Quote from: MacKenzie on April 14, 2012, 03:30:37 AM
  Have you noticed how alot of people in the MTF section fight with each other non-stop more then any of the other section on the board?

  Is that supposed to be women debating? Looks more like a male pissing match to me.  ::)

  I don't know why but sometimes I get a male vibe when I vist there....

  Seriously girls please at least try' n get along with each other and play nice, it's kind of embarrassing.

Somebody doesn't know many women.  >:-)

If you think women aren't argumentative you should meet my mother...or grandmother...or me, lol.

Sigh... how is "Chloe liked Olivia" STILL a revolutionary concept after 80 years?

Quote from: Forum Admin on April 14, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
Add puberty level hormones to that and you can end up with a bunch of mean adolescent girls *

    Gretchen: Well, I mean, you wouldn't buy a skirt without asking your friends first if it looks good on you.
    Cady: I wouldn't?
    Gretchen: Right. Oh, and it's the same with guys. Like, you may think you like someone, but you could be wrong.

Quote* Not saying you all are like that  :laugh:

(I'm totally like that.)

see!.....this thread just turns into normal "girl talk"

whats the issue? ;)

I have known so many dominant bossy women over the years that I have just learned how to politely nod and say "uh huh" with a smile as I know when I'm outgunned

"I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job." ~ Margaret Thatcher

Quote from: pebbles on April 14, 2012, 05:53:00 AM
De-gendering people who are probably insecure about how others perceive them that isn't gonna make anybody listen or respect you.

I'm Just Saying.

  Haha yeah you're right I probably should have worded that a little better, it kinda gets me mad though to see all this senseless arguing over silly things when we should be helping each other.

  I know alot of women, i'm around women 24/7 where I work and they don't act like that when they argue with each other lol. Just saying people on here need to take other people's advice with a grain of salt and not so worked up. I'm not trying to "provoke" anyone so please stop trying to turn it into that.  ::)

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 14, 2012, 09:18:03 AM
Women are known to be catty so I don't see how it's any different here.

  Jen are we looking at the same forum? It's more like "except my opinion or else!!" *beats chest* far from catty....

   

I lurked foryears, and waited until things were calmer at Susan's, which happened a few months ago when a group of people left. So, I started to post, but no matter who careful I phrase my posts, I ended up offending somebody.

I do not come here to offend anybody, but to seek information and found support. I think that some people are either oversensitive or immature or both.

Quote from: MacKenzie on April 14, 2012, 04:21:20 PM
  Haha yeah you're right I probably should have worded that a little better, it kinda gets me mad though to see all this senseless arguing over silly things when we should be helping each other.

  I know alot of women, i'm around women 24/7 where I work and they don't act like that when they argue with each other lol. Just saying people on here need to take other people's advice with a grain of salt and not so worked up. I'm not trying to "provoke" anyone so please stop trying to turn it into that.  ::)

  Jen are we looking at the same forum? It's more like "except my opinion or else!!" *beats chest* far from catty....

You're not doing a good job of this at all. Maybe quit whilst you're ahead hun.

Quote from: peky on April 14, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
I lurked foryears, and waited until things were calmer at Susan's, which happened a few months ago when a group of people left. So, I started to post, but no matter who careful I phrase my posts, I ended up offending somebody.

I do not come here to offend anybody, but to seek information and found support. I think that some people are either oversensitive or immature or both.

This ^  I cannot agree with this enough.  Before I post anything I review what I say and make terms more "open-ended".  Even then there is always someone who takes offense..

For example:

Random person #1: "In my opinion I feel that blue is a great color for a wedding because to me it represents a calmness and since the wedding is not far from the beach I feel that blue would be a great color to represent the waters."

Random person #2 "Your opinion is wrong.  So what if the wedding is taking place next to the beach?  Blue is a bad color because the words "bad" and "blue" starts with the same letter.  You need to go with the traditional white because it's traditional and I think white is the best color to go with.  You are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!  Stop being so selfish.  There is more to the world than just you. *goes off into a tangent about the color blue*

Obviously I've never ran into that exact convo but that's the feeling that I get from some topics in every forum.

Just ignore it. You're feeding the fire by posting stuff like this.

Also, girls argue and fight like morons too... it's not a guy thing. Who woulda thunk it!

Quote from: peky on April 14, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
I lurked foryears, and waited until things were calmer at Susan's, which happened a few months ago when a group of people left. So, I started to post, but no matter who careful I phrase my posts, I ended up offending somebody.

I do not come here to offend anybody, but to seek information and found support. I think that some people are either oversensitive or immature or both.

That is true peky.  :D

Quote from: Malachite on April 14, 2012, 04:53:55 PM
This ^  I cannot agree with this enough.  Before I post anything I review what I say and make terms more "open-ended".  Even then there is always someone who takes offense..

For example:

Random person #1: "In my opinion I feel that blue is a great color for a wedding because to me it represents a calmness and since the wedding is not far from the beach I feel that blue would be a great color to represent the waters."

Random person #2 "Your opinion is wrong.  So what if the wedding is taking place next to the beach?  Blue is a bad color because the words "bad" and "blue" starts with the same letter.  You need to go with the traditional white because it's traditional and I think white is the best color to go with.  You are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!  Stop being so selfish.  There is more to the world than just you. *goes off into a tangent about the color blue*

Obviously I've never ran into that exact convo but that's the feeling that I get from some topics in every forum.

Lmao!!  :laugh:

Quote from: The Passage on April 14, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
Just ignore it. You're feeding the fire by posting stuff like this.

Also, girls argue and fight like morons too... it's not a guy thing. Who woulda thunk it!

  Yeah i guess so lol.

Quote from: MacKenzie on April 14, 2012, 04:21:20 PM"except my opinion or else!!"

It's accept, not except. I don't get that at all though. I just see women debating. Sometimes people do make personal insults but I wouldn't call them men because of it. Saying you "get a male vibe" is hardly "playing nice".

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 14, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
It's accept, not except. I don't get that at all though. I just see women debating. Sometimes people do make personal insults but I wouldn't call them men because of it. Saying you "get a male vibe" is hardly "playing nice".

Ugh stop arguing with me.....jesus if you want the last word you can have it.  ::)

I'd just advise folks to be aware of this:

Quote from: Site terms of service10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:
•Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
•Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

That some people aren't as thick-skinned as others, and may have confidence/self-esteem issues which lead to them being more sensitive than they might otherwise be isn't something which should be mocked, in my opinion. People come here for support, and this is often the first place they come to before saying even a word to anyone else, when everything is new and terrifying. Throwing words around like 'oversensitive' and 'immature' isn't helpful. Maybe more helpful is to try and understand why people are the way they are. No one knows what goes on in people's everyday lives which lead them to feel the way they feel, and their state of mind when they come here. I'm not sure it's something which should be made light of.

Oh.. I should be careful. You're probably getting a male vibe from me.

Topic locked, as I'm getting ungendered unkind vibes from many posts here.