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I know ymmv but I'm looking for anecdotal evidence here ^-^

After several months on spiro-only I got a puffy "olive" under the nipples. About a 2 months in E it was the size of gulf ball, and now -7 months into E- is the size of a tangerine.

I noticed that most of the growth seems oriented towards the armpit (axila), and it is bigger in one side (ipsilateral). Also to keep in mind is that since I am a 42 band, my tangerines do not seem so big: Einstein strikes again.

Um, it's complicated. ;)

I was on a fairly low dose of E for almost a year before an anti-androgen (Spiro) was added. Once Spiro was I had rapid development to a B-cup (about three weeks), which probably had something to with the course of E previously, even though I had no noticeable physical effects on it.

End of month five today...and have golf ball size bumps under both areola. My areole/nipples have gotten about 60% bigger over the last 3-4 months. Pretty sore/sensitive to touch around month 4 and so far has only gotten more sensitive with growth. I could feel the ducts building around the 'bud' @month 4 very uncomfortable. In the last few days I have been able to see them(my breasts) in the mirror while raising both arms...and sometimes I lactate(usually if nipples are pushed, but sometimes with no prompting)

BTW finally feels like you get some of the puberty you missed the first time around = )

Karii Cloud: If you lactate, you should see a doctor. It MIGHT (but then again might not) be a sign of a health issue that is rather serious.

As for the original question, I'll just quote my blog post:

Quote from: A on April 24, 2012, 08:54:45 PM
HRT: 74 days (2,5 months)
[...]
Breasts

Since I last posted, I've had an intense episode of tickly, itchy nipples, for one week. I guess it marked the beginning of actual growth. Nothing is really visible yet, eh, but since then, the area tends to be painful on contact/pressure. I also notice some kind of stiff tissue building up the whole area, but more specifically the areola and a little around it (if I try to pinch it, there's obviously something below, and it hurts; plus the whole area feels like I have super thick skin on touch).

I guess mammary/lactation tissue is starting to appear. I have still seen no sign of the fatty "buds" reputed to mark the beginning of growth. I'm not in any hurry, though.

I noticed the budding after about a month. Little puffy and sensitive and slightly painful when poked. 3-4 months in I had to get sports bras because jogging without one had gotten very uncomfortably bouncy. I remember the docs who check on me every 3 months were surprised at my areolae. They got larger and a lighter pink and softer. 5-6 months I went fulltime and had noticable breasts and they started being less conical and filling out. That's still going on now at ~1 year. Growing in all dimensions. Started HRT at 24 (immediate average dose of Estradiol and Androcur)

That's interesting. I think I have almost the exact setup as you in terms of HRT, except I started a little younger (21). At one month, I did notice my areolas growing in height (not diameter), but after a little over 2.5 months, whilst glandular tissue seems to be growing, no sign of fatty tissue in the area yet.

I guess it really does vary a lot!

About a couple weeks in I got a lump that hurt like crazy if I bumped it... I've learned to be careful ever since.

Maybe the 1 month mark I noticed that cone shape and I was excited cuz I was getting breasts.

I wanna say around 4 months was when I could legitimately fit into an A cup.

About 7 months in I fully filled an A cup, and they're steadily growing still @ the start of month 8.

A year and a half on a reasonable to high dose has yet to get me to an A-cup, but I'm pretty sure that's just because I'm underweight... and it's not likely genes.

My boobs came in about 40 years before hrt.

But the second they got the bioidentical girl juice, yikes.

@Karii, you are probably experiencing galactorrhea, but you should probably get it checked.
Been there.

After 1 year and 2 months, I've almost filled out an A-cup. *sigh*

Quote from: Jamie D on May 01, 2012, 04:12:44 AM
My boobs came in about 40 years before hrt.

Ha Ha Ha Ha ......   Classic.  I hear ya sista !!

Love

Jen

OXXOXOX

They started coming in after 2-3 months, I think. By 6-7 months they were pretty noticable and now after 14 months they're about an A.

EDIT: Now that you've got me thinking about it; does anyone else's areolas kinda puff out a bit (or alot)? My sister said it wasn't normal, so I'm kinda scared they'll always be like that. 

How many did not have any fatty tissue build-up at months 2-3, but still ended up with something at least okay later on? How long did it take? And how old were you?

Reading the testimonies of how people who got something good seem to have had growth that begun early as well, I'm sort of getting pessimistic, with just my sensitive nipples and little bits of stiff tissue coming, with still no bulge or anything. I'm in no hurry, but I am concerned with the final results.

Yeah, my aerola diameter amost double in diameter, and is rised. I do have some fat accumulation as well as glandular tissue

Id say about 3 weeks I noticed nipples becoming more sensitive.  I'd bump a wall on my nipples and want to scream but id have to bite my lip because "guys dont scream from nipple bumps" so had to play it cool with my friends.  A little after that i started getting a little knot under them.  At the point im at now areolas are a lil bigger than where they started, nipples noticably poke out of my shirts and kinda point down a little.  Im at 2 months and have been on regular dose of spiro and low dose of E.

after about a week my nipples became sensitive... after about 3 weeks i felt a lump starting grow under my nipple and nipples starting expanding to a more female look..  I started wearing sports bra at this point to help protect my growing breast.

A-cup came around the 3 month mark and at this time i stopped wearing sports bra's and started wearing everyday bras.. now I am about a 1 and 4 months in.. and I have lovely C-cup breasts.. I love my boobs.. I wear plenty of low cut tops to show off my clevage.

Quote from: noleen111 on May 02, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
after about a week my nipples became sensitive... after about 3 weeks i felt a lump starting grow under my nipple and nipples starting expanding to a more female look..  I started wearing sports bra at this point to help protect my growing breast.

A-cup came around the 3 month mark and at this time i stopped wearing sports bra's and started wearing everyday bras.. now I am about a 1 and 4 months in.. and I have lovely C-cup breasts.. I love my boobs.. I wear plenty of low cut tops to show off my clevage.

*Pouts*

Some girls get all the luck... -_-

Seconded.  Im lil over 2 months and only have tiny triangle nipples poking out of my shirt :(  No where near A.

I'm pretty much a large A or a small B, somewhere in there I think. That's after 7 months and having had moobs before I started. ;D

I'm starting to feel like an under-achiever now. I thought I was past that when I graduated college. *sigh*

Quote from: noleen111 on May 02, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
after about a week my nipples became sensitive... after about 3 weeks i felt a lump starting grow under my nipple and nipples starting expanding to a more female look..  I started wearing sports bra at this point to help protect my growing breast.

A-cup came around the 3 month mark and at this time i stopped wearing sports bra's and started wearing everyday bras.. now I am about a 1 and 4 months in.. and I have lovely C-cup breasts.. I love my boobs.. I wear plenty of low cut tops to show off my clevage.

Wait, 14 months in and you got C-cups, or 4 months in and you got those? Because that would seem weird, given that you were A cup at the 3 month mark.

Quote from: peky on May 01, 2012, 02:43:28 PM
Yeah, my aerola diameter amost double in diameter, and is rised. I do have some fat accumulation as well as glandular tissue

Mine personally quadrupled in size. I had small nipples for a male before now I have pretty large nipples for a female.

Aside from that a peanut appeared early on behind my nipples then got bigger until it was the size of a walnut then fat accumulated after that the walnut decided to grow "roots" into the fat.

I´m 31 now and was on hrt 2 years before grs and had only very little growth. Almost nothing really. But still they where painful all the time. Before surgery I paused for 4 weeks and the little that was there went away. Now post op and on low dosage and something is happening but not much. At least there is no pain now. I am skinny. I guess that´s the problem. But I am hoping now that more will happen since the testosterone factories are out. At least many have said that it works better post op. I don´t know.
Don´t expect miracles but if you get them be happy...

@2 weeks low E had funky nipples, and vague discomfort around them and then it all settled down and nothing happened.
7 weeks - sort of vague puffiness in the areola, nipples poke out a bit with temperature changes and they're sort of pointy.

Fat distribution though has happened relatively quickly.  Usually when I exercise I lose weight from the hip area, then the waist - this time though it's going from the waist and tending to stay around the hip area.  I just hope I don't end up with tuck shop lady's arms as my shoulder muscles atrophy*lol*

It looks like people whose HRT was instilled gradually had better results. If that's true, I'm even more worried about having been put on the maximum dose after only a week.

Quote from: A on May 04, 2012, 08:26:57 AM
It looks like people whose HRT was instilled gradually had better results. If that's true, I'm even more worried about having been put on the maximum dose after only a week.

Spiro cannot and should not be prescribed at  the highest clinical endpoint dose; the same could be said about E, but age, cardiovascular risk, and liver function are of critical importance.

PS I am not a doctor, I just stayed at the Holiday Inn Express

Well, it's not really the "highest dose" there is. Just the highest recommended dose for treatment of transsexualism. The guideline documents for doctor I read said to start at 1/4 or 1/2 my dose, then "gradually" increase up to a maximum of my dose.

The endo told me: "If you want, you can go gradually, like, take 1/2 dose for a week, then add the second half after another week"... I found that a little fast/much, especially since it's generally better to stay at the lowest effective dose, but I trusted his experience and confidence. He even said that going gradually for a week wasn't really necessary. But now I'm sort of worried. It should be safe, especially since I'm relatively young, but I don't know about the end results.

By the way, I don't take spironolactone. They prescribe cyproterone here.

Oh, and I didn't understand the thing about the Holiday Inn.

Quote from: A on May 04, 2012, 11:20:35 AM

By the way, I don't take spironolactone. They prescribe cyproterone here.

Oh, and I didn't understand the thing about the Holiday Inn.

In my book cypro = risk

The Holiday statement is sort of a disclaimer that I am not giving medical advice. It come from a commercial by "Holiday Inn Express" that claims that if you sleep in their Hotels you would be come and expert, very knowledgeable. :)

At about 2-3 weeks on estrogen, progesterone, and spiro, my nipples began to get very sensitive. I dropped a USB flash drive into my shirt pocket and even that touch hurt enough to make me gasp. Like others mentioned, it was like a lump under the nipple that was really tender and sore for some months.

I'm 11 months into HRT and my breastlings are still quite small. But, they are noticeable enough for me to have some slight cleavage and the tenderness has subsided.

I've heard that one can expect that HRT could result in breasts that are about a cup size smaller than close female relatives. If this is true, I might be looking at nothing larger than an A cup without breast augmentation surgery.

Also, I didn't starty HRT till I was nearly 42-years-old. So, I'm guessing that having only T in my system for nearly 42 years might have something to do with the fact that changes are happening slowly.

I've been on a low dose of Estradiol for nearly 6-months now. I started off with a really atheltic, muscular body and its mostly the same, with the exception of my "moobs"! My friends who I haven't told slaughter me relentlessly about my new figure! Physical activity can be quite uncomfortable with all the new sensitivity and in the coming weeks i'll have to invest in a sports bra.

Also, if I end up with similar sized bresticles to my family, i'll have to carry them in a wheelbarrow! (my female relatives are tremendously busty!)
X

I've been on oestrogen for nearly 7 months and all I have are small fatty build ups, no glandular tissue or anything :(

Been on different types and levels of estrogens since the mid 90's. My experience is that what is a typical few years of development for genetic females is definitely not applicable for transsexuals. I had breast buds for a long time but last year the gland mass that was relatively small began to get a lot bigger and very girly. So don't lose heart and get implants, you may be surprised.

I've been on spiro and estradiol for a little over 8 years and still only have an a cup.  But then I'm 5'10" and only weigh 135 pounds too. But then my little sister has about the same size breasts as I do too, only she's like tiny, she's around size zero or so.

well, I may end up a B cup. my A cup bra is starting to get a little tight. But we will see. My Doctor started me out on the maximum dosage of spiro that was recommended and started my estradiol off at a low dosage. She said she's seen poor results when starting out with everything ramped up at 11.


hehe... Spinal Tap reference there. ;)

Quote from: Jaime on May 04, 2012, 10:29:01 PM
I've been on spiro and estradiol for a little over 8 years and still only have an a cup.  But then I'm 5'10" and only weigh 135 pounds too. But then my little sister has about the same size breasts as I do too, only she's like tiny, she's around size zero or so.

Genetics plays a big part, although you are a bit light weight relative to your height. I know some people just can't arbitrarily put on weight, but you could probably benefit from a few more pounds.

Quote from: Shantel on May 05, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Genetics plays a big part, although you are a bit light weight relative to your height. I know some people just can't arbitrarily put on weight, but you could probably benefit from a few more pounds.

My smoking a pack of cigarettes a day doesn't help either. My job keeps me on my feet moving for more than 8 hours a day and starting work caused me to drop almost 18 or so pounds in the last year. So with the increased activity and smoking, its just been impossible to keep weight on.  The recent pic of me standing in my living room though is at my current weight, so its not terribly bad, just lost some butt, boobs and a little thigh. But then if you had seen pictures of my figure before the weight loss, it was a bit better than it is now, even my size 8 jeans are a little loose on me and I've already poked about 4 new holes in the belt I wear most often.

Quote from: Jaime on May 05, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
My smoking a pack of cigarettes a day doesn't help either. My job keeps me on my feet moving for more than 8 hours a day and starting work caused me to drop almost 18 or so pounds in the last year. So with the increased activity and smoking, its just been impossible to keep weight on.  The recent pic of me standing in my living room though is at my current weight, so its not terribly bad, just lost some butt, boobs and a little thigh. But then if you had seen pictures of my figure before the weight loss, it was a bit better than it is now, even my size 8 jeans are a little loose on me and I've already poked about 4 new holes in the belt I wear most often.

Another ten pounds and you'd be just about perfect female weight! Back when you were still probably just a twinkle in your daddy's eye, I quit my two pack a day Pall Mall habit. (1976) My breath smelled like ->-bleeped-<- and the index and middle finger on my right hand was stained so brown you'd think they belonged to an East Indian and I had greasy looking hair all the time. One morning after coughing up a big green lunger (not pretty) I decided that smoking was a dead end and quit cold turkey though I had been smoking for 18 years. Get the patch if you have to but quit! You can do it sweetie, you'll get that ten pounds back on and be healthier and last longer. Do it for yourself Jaime!

I'm 5'5, 171lb. I'm trying to lose some of my belly weight. You'd think working where I'm at would cause me to lose a bunch of weight, but the sweating and excersise doesnt really help much except to maybe keep me from gaining more weight.

Quote from: Keaira on May 03, 2012, 04:12:24 AM
I'm starting to feel like an under-achiever now. I thought I was past that when I graduated college. *sigh*

Don't worry Keaira. :) Don't we reach maximum boob growth at 5 years? lolz

Quote from: Keaira on May 05, 2012, 12:10:08 PM
I'm 5'5, 171lb. I'm trying to lose some of my belly weight. You'd think working where I'm at would cause me to lose a bunch of weight, but the sweating and excersise doesnt really help much except to maybe keep me from gaining more weight.

I learned that unless you go on "The Biggest Loser" and beat your body with almost continuous hard exercise coupled with a radical diet, you won't lose it, and they most always gain it back again. It seems that the body usually doesn't use stored fat when dieting, but most always goes into a "starvation" mode and begins to store more body fat while you actually lose weight by losing muscle mass which takes up three times less body volume than does fat pound for pound.  I was introduced to HCG diet by naturopathic doctor and lost fifty pounds and my belly fat and dropped fifty seven inches overall from various points measured before and after. HCG is a hormone present in pregnant women that releases stored fat to be used for energy, I was never hungry. I went from eating 2000 calories a day to just 500 a day for 42 days while the HCG was releasing another 1500 or so calories per day of stored fat to be used up, I was never hungry. Kind of like a fat eating PacMan. Meanwhile I learned the caloric values of various foods and proper portion sizes and during the finale phase of the 42 day plan my metabolic rate was reset. I lost the initial 24 pounds during the 42 days and have lost the rest since then due to the metabolic reset and observing proper eating habits and exercise. It been a year now and I'm still losing ever so slightly, but it stays off. This HCG came from a compounding pharmacist, there are fakes on the internet, so beware.

Quote from: Shantel on May 05, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
I was introduced to HCG diet by naturopathic doctor and lost fifty pounds and my belly fat and dropped fifty seven inches overall from various points measured before and after. HCG is a hormone present in pregnant women that releases stored fat to be used for energy, I was never hungry. I went from eating 2000 calories a day to just 500 a day for 42 days while the HCG was releasing another 1500 or so calories per day of stored fat to be used up, I was never hungry. Kind of like a fat eating PacMan. Meanwhile I learned the caloric values of various foods and proper portion sizes and during the finale phase of the 42 day plan my metabolic rate was reset. I lost the initial 24 pounds during the 42 days and have lost the rest since then due to the metabolic reset and observing proper eating habits and exercise. It been a year now and I'm still losing ever so slightly, but it stays off. This HCG came from a compounding pharmacist, there are fakes on the internet, so beware.

As you said it gets a bad rep from stuff on the internet.  So you actually felt it was worthwhile?

The endo I am using now does have a sign up that says they offer a monitored HCG diet plan, but I had just assumed it was just another scam.

Quote from: Shantel on May 05, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Another ten pounds and you'd be just about perfect female weight! Back when you were still probably just a twinkle in your daddy's eye, I quit my two pack a day Pall Mall habit. (1976) My breath smelled like ->-bleeped-<- and the index and middle finger on my right hand was stained so brown you'd think they belonged to an East Indian and I had greasy looking hair all the time. One morning after coughing up a big green lunger (not pretty) I decided that smoking was a dead end and quit cold turkey though I had been smoking for 18 years. Get the patch if you have to but quit! You can do it sweetie, you'll get that ten pounds back on and be healthier and last longer. Do it for yourself Jaime!

You are to be congratulated on quitting.   :)

Quote from: Jeneva on May 05, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
As you said it gets a bad rep from stuff on the internet.  So you actually felt it was worthwhile?

The endo I am using now does have a sign up that says they offer a monitored HCG diet plan, but I had just assumed it was just another scam.

Yes absolutely, go for it! I don't know if you saw my torso shot I had used as an avatar on an earlier thread about boobs, it dislayed my boobage, but more importantly it showed off my lean and fit physiology, the results of HCG and time at the local fitness center. I took it down because it was a bit over-the top, I was getting comments.

Quote from: Jamie D on May 05, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
You are to be congratulated on quitting.   :)

Thanks no bondage for this old broad! The tobacco companies don't give a rip if it kills you just as long as they get a piece of you until you check out.

Quote from: Shantel on May 05, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Another ten pounds and you'd be just about perfect female weight! Back when you were still probably just a twinkle in your daddy's eye, I quit my two pack a day Pall Mall habit. (1976) My breath smelled like ->-bleeped-<- and the index and middle finger on my right hand was stained so brown you'd think they belonged to an East Indian and I had greasy looking hair all the time. One morning after coughing up a big green lunger (not pretty) I decided that smoking was a dead end and quit cold turkey though I had been smoking for 18 years. Get the patch if you have to but quit! You can do it sweetie, you'll get that ten pounds back on and be healthier and last longer. Do it for yourself Jaime!

Actually, by then I was already smoking myself.  And I know I need to quit, I watched my dad and my grandma die from it too. I just have to make up my mind to just stop. And the patch doesn't help, I've tried it along with a number of other methods.

Quote from: Jaime on May 05, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
Actually, by then I was already smoking myself.  And I know I need to quit, I watched my dad and my grandma die from it too. I just have to make up my mind to just stop. And the patch doesn't help, I've tried it along with a number of other methods.

Yea, the problem with patches is that they don't stay lit!
I've never smoked or done any drugs, etc. According to the MMPI I'm in a group that's at risk of substance abuse.

I wore my only B cup bra today. It's really hard to find a 38A bra. But I seem to fill a good deal of my B cup so I might wear that more often so the girls will have room to grow. :p

Quote from: Keaira on May 05, 2012, 11:04:46 PM
Yea, the problem with patches is that they don't stay lit!
I've never smoked or done any drugs, etc. According to the MMPI I'm in a group that's at risk of substance abuse.

I wore my only B cup bra today. It's really hard to find a 38A bra. But I seem to fill a good deal of my B cup so I might wear that more often so the girls will have room to grow. :p

Try tightening the shoulder straps. That helps "fill" them out slightly.

Quote from: Jaime on May 05, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
Actually, by then I was already smoking myself.  And I know I need to quit, I watched my dad and my grandma die from it too. I just have to make up my mind to just stop. And the patch doesn't help, I've tried it along with a number of other methods.

I've heard that hypnotherapy works well with smokers and other addicted types, you might look into that. Somehow the crux of it all is to get the stubborn brain to click over a notch or two and surrender to the idea. I was able to do it through sheer willpower, but most people just can't so don't feel down over it, just investigate all of your options and make your dearly departed daddy proud that he was able to get the message through to you. We learn good things from parents and also what not to do. I'm sure he wouldn't want you to make the same mistake that he did. You can do it Jaime, go for it girl!

Quote from: Shantel on May 06, 2012, 09:43:06 AM
I've heard that hypnotherapy works well with smokers and other addicted types, you might look into that. Somehow the crux of it all is to get the stubborn brain to click over a notch or two and surrender to the idea. I was able to do it through sheer willpower, but most people just can't so don't feel down over it, just investigate all of your options and make your dearly departed daddy proud that he was able to get the message through to you. We learn good things from parents and also what not to do. I'm sure he wouldn't want you to make the same mistake that he did. You can do it Jaime, go for it girl!

We tried that route, dad, his girlfriend and myself.  His girlfriend finally quit for good while she was in the hospital getting stents put in.  I'll do it eventually, I just have to get my mind into the right place for it. 

I know we're getting off subject but I'll submit this last thought on smoking here. A native American friend of mine is forever pissing about how awful the white man was to his people, I told him that he needs to rethink his argument when one considers that the Indians introduced the whites to tobacco and have long since gotten retribution and killed a lot more whites and others not with arrows but with cigarettes!

Jaime, I've never smoked, so perhaps what I'm going to say will sound ridiculous, but related to what you just said, I'd want to offer a little personal experience about smoking in my family.

My mother had smoked for over ten years when she quit around the age of 35(?), when I was more or less 7-9 years old (don't know her birth date by heart, so I can't be sure). Having learned how bad smoking was, and being somewhat stubborn about a few things, I started putting "no smoking" signs around the house, cutting her cigarette packs into two whenever I found them, and put a lot of negative social pressure around her to get her to stop. She then stopped smoking and didn't touch a cigarette for another ten years.

Lesson 1: Being with people who disapprove of smoking helps some people.

My sister started smoking at about 21 years old, under the bad influence of people from the army, despite her being just as against it as I.

Lesson 2: Distance yourself from smokers, at least when they do smoke. For example, don't go out with them when they smoke.

My mother started smoking again about 3 years ago. It started out as "social smoking", then under the influence of my sister and the fact that she had a pack of cigarettes next to her and someone going out to smoke every hour or even more often, it became worse. She now smokes at least 12 cigarettes a day, if I average from what she smokes when I'm there.

Lesson 3: Don't think you limit someone's freedom by not allowing them to smoke near you.

Recently, both my mother and sister stopped smoking together. It lasted one month (more than enough to beat the physical addiction), after which they started again.

Lesson 4: Tell people around you when you stop smoking, and don't let them do crap like "respect your individual choice". Tell them not to allow you to smoke near them.

Both of them tell me they intend to stop; that they just have to put their minds into it. And they don't stop. Well, when they do, it lasts anywhere from 1 day to 1 month.

Lesson 5: Remove "eventually" from your vocabulary when it comes to that. I haven't seen it work.

Whenever they stop and restart, my sister and mother never throw away their lighters, etc. So every time they want to start again, they have everything right under their nose.

Lesson 5: Whenever you make your mind to stop, throw away everything you own that is related to smoking. (Don't worry about the cost; smoking costs you THOUSANDS every year, so what's losing a ten-dollar ashtray and lighter?) You mustn't be able to find a single cigarette, lighter, match, ashtray, etc. if you wanna smoke. Throw away your car's cigarette lighter, too. Nothing you can control must remind you of smoking. Also, when you have the urge to smoke again, it'll be such a pain in the ass to buy all those things again that it might just discourage you.

You should try nicotine inhalators. They're designed to provide the same nicotine, taste and feel (even the moist and temperature) like real cigarette smoke, but they're nowhere as harmful - well, nicotine is arguably not a healthy product, but nothing compared to the rest of products in the smoke. They say they feel EXACTLY like smoking. You can smoke them and gradually reduce the dose, until you're able to only smoke placebo ones, and eventually stop.

The only objection that people have to them is that they're expensive, but honestly, considering the inhuman amount you smoke, I don't think the price difference can be so big.

Oh, yeah, and additional tips that would work on me, but that might only be attributed to my rather strange personality.

-Put into your mind that it's not okay, and even a terrible thing to smoke near anyone, to let anyone breathe the smallest amount of secondary smoke from you. Isolate yourself when you smoke, like it's a punishment. Eventually, you should tend to smoke less.

-Put the focus not on "smoking or not", but on "buying cigarettes or not". Don't overestimate your mental strength. It's much easier to resist going to the convenience store + spend over 10 $ for a pack of cigarettes, than to resist taking a cigarette in your pack and smoke it.

-Never buy cigarettes along with other things. Always make sure you have to walk to the store or something just for that. Make it a pain. Also, always buy the smallest pack available.

-You might also want to ask the clerk of your local store not to allow you to buy cigarettes even if you ask.

Some people also find it's a great help to put in a pot/account all the money they should have spent on smoking but didn't, and save it for a project, like a trip in the South, or maybe some transition expense you might still have in front of you. That, or offer themselves a restaurant+theater night a week, for example.

I hope I helped. I really think of smoking as a tragedy, and I hope you're able to stop, "eventually" ;).

Well, a lot of that is difficult as I have friends that I care a lot about that smoke and the biggest is that I am a store clerk, so I sell them all day long.  I have a few customers that want to quit too, and when I know they want to quit, I will sometimes question their decision to buy more. 

I am working on removing some of the stresses from my life and once that is done, I think I can set them aside a bit easier at that point.

And I'll stop with this on this thread as it is off topic. Sorry to the op for that.

My girls started growing about few months after starting spiro and oestrogen when I noticed they we sore all the time but they remained tiny as I was always doing alot of cycling at the time and any fat gain was burnt off on long hard rides.
It wasn't till I was off the bike all together for a year that the girls started there second attempt as the muscle mass dropped and the body gained weigh (fat) they got bigger now there a nice 18c 8 years after starting HRt..

Cheers Tracy

I can feel my breast buds and it's not even one month yet. Can't enjoy it though because I just got outta the hospital and have to take pain meds :embarrassed:

I had small ones before hrt but they where so small that it looked like I was just a strong man.


2 weeks in I could see a slight difference in the shape but nothing big.


Now at 4 weeks+ they hurt and start to get alot more puffier. I can feel a lump under the nipples :).

Still no boobs for me. I have gone through a phase where I didn't care if I grew anymore or not - similar to a current, recent phase for not caring if I get SRS or not - because I knew that I likely wouldn't be getting any besides surgery (which is years on the horizon as far as I can tell). Yay for coping mechanisms.

After 9 months, EVERYBODY is noticing mine, lol. They're big enough to give me more pass points imo. When someone figures out I'm trans (mostly new friends met through someone who knows... for some reason he likes to see if they could tell) they're like "Did you pay for those? Are those silicone?" Nope... my own DNA did that :D

Um... about 1 or 2 months in my right breast started growing. Then my left about a couple weeks after.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on May 25, 2012, 04:09:58 PM
After 9 months, EVERYBODY is noticing mine, lol. They're big enough to give me more pass points imo. When someone figures out I'm trans (mostly new friends met through someone who knows... for some reason he likes to see if they could tell) they're like "Did you pay for those? Are those silicone?" Nope... my own DNA did that :D

Oh yeah I've gotten that one for a source of mixed pride/embarrassment.

"wow those have gotten bigger since I last saw you."
"huh?"
*Nods at chest* "them"
:icon_redface:
"Yep coming along nicely."
"STOP TALKING ABOUT ME LIKE THAT!"

One question: is it me or Spiro is actually more important than E?

Can one take spiro first?

Just a thought! :-)

Spiro doesn't have any effect on breast growth per se. If used alone, by blocking the effects of testosterone, it might clear the way for the little natural estradiol males have to produce minimal, usually slow, breast growth, but, yeah.

Anyway, testosterone is a "dominant" hormone. If you take estradiol alone, its effects are going to be greatly diminished by the presence of a lot of testosterone, probably. That's why anti-androgens are so effective. They clear the way for estradiol to act.

About the order, uhm, yes, some endocrinologists prescribe anti-androgens before estradiol. Sometimes, they try estradiol alone first (since by itself it acts as a weak anti-androgen and in some cases it can suffice). And sometimes, they prescribe both at the same time. It's all about the endo's beliefs and the patient's hormone levels, I guess.

I should say though that using an anti-androgen for a long time (many months or years) without taking estradiol can be bad for your health.

Well before HRT I already had some good sized man boobs, probably AA or A cup to be honest. And strangely enough, just after 9 days I started to notice them getting bigger and getting sore, and today, being day 10, they are definitely sore, and I feel more fat on them already. I'm hoping this is a sign that they'll turn out nice and big and natural looking.

Quote from: toxicblue on June 01, 2012, 02:37:01 AM
Well before HRT I already had some good sized man boobs, probably AA or A cup to be honest. And strangely enough, just after 9 days I started to notice them getting bigger and getting sore, and today, being day 10, they are definitely sore, and I feel more fat on them already. I'm hoping this is a sign that they'll turn out nice and big and natural looking.

That is great to hear :). I have had similar experience as you timewise.

I am now 5 weeks + on hrt and there is definately something going on there. Its even visible now *yay*

Quote from: Hannah on May 01, 2012, 02:07:50 PM
They started coming in after 2-3 months, I think. By 6-7 months they were pretty noticable and now after 14 months they're about an A.

EDIT: Now that you've got me thinking about it; does anyone else's areolas kinda puff out a bit (or alot)? My sister said it wasn't normal, so I'm kinda scared they'll always be like that.

My nipples(the whole thing, but saying aeroles sounds dumb) are always puffy when they're aren't hard, they're soft and stick out, kinda like a dome shape.
And when somethings rubs against them or its cold they harden and look "normal".

still waiting...

I've been on HRT for 2.5ish years. Shortly (couple of weeks) after I started, they'd just ache and ache and ache. Now, not as much, but it still happens. They're soft and squishy and whatnot so, yay boobs, I guess.

To the questions about hormones: Spiro alone will probably be used before you get E because you want to clear out the T from your system ahead of time. Get ready... that stuff does FUNKY things to you (it's on-label use is a BP reducer).

Breast development varies but the general rule is that you'll be about your mother's size if you start HRT before 25 and thereafter about 1/2 to 1 full cup size smaller. Older than 40 and things get a lot less likely to develop to any sort of satisfaction. You can't beat genetics though and you'll have about the same number of estrogen receptors as your mom and can't really get around it. I'm a full A but because I'm rather large (38 band) they look small. Extra estrogen won't help this though Progesterone did have pretty good efficacy with me. Having a good endo and a doc who knows what they're doing is also a good thing™. Trust them, give things time, don't be impatient and screw with your dosage.

I got them so fast it's crazy and now since I switched to injectables multiply by ten. My levels are all normal but I guess I just have some extra receptors in there. Plus Im a minor so I'm riding on the lucky wave.

Quote from: pebbles on May 27, 2012, 03:43:05 AM
Oh yeah I've gotten that one for a source of mixed pride/embarrassment.

"wow those have gotten bigger since I last saw you."
"huh?"
*Nods at chest* "them"
:icon_redface:
"Yep coming along nicely."
"STOP TALKING ABOUT ME LIKE THAT!"

Sounds like the conversation with my endocrinologist, except I'm proud of mine!! Even if they're only a small B atm.

After six or seven years on HRT in 2006 I was going to have a boob job as my breast growth was pitiful and almost non existent at that time. But 14 years later they have started kicking in. Why it's taken so long I don't know but they are starting to grow now.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 01, 2012, 05:47:21 PM
After six or seven years on HRT in 2006 I was going to have a boob job as my breast growth was pitiful and almost non existent at that time. But 14 years later they have started kicking in. Why it's taken so long I don't know but they are starting to grow now.

Thats an awful long time. Did you change regimens?

I have been on a doctor regulated EE regiment for a little over 8 months now and am a small C cup. I did have a minor case of gyno to start with but not enough to fill an A cup. I only wish the EE had those same effects on the facial side that I have seen on the boobs and fat deposits..

Quote from: Andi on May 28, 2012, 02:15:10 PM
One question: is it me or Spiro is actually more important than E?

Can one take spiro first?

Just a thought! :-)

Endocrinologic side effects have been due to the antiandrogenic properties of spironolactone. Five percent to 30% of male patients complained of breast enlargement (http://doublecheckmd.com/EffectsDetail.do?dname=spironolactone&sid=12274&eid=2152 (http://doublecheckmd.com/EffectsDetail.do?dname=spironolactone&sid=12274&eid=2152)). 

Personally, after 1 1/2 years on spiro I had some breast growth, but  then when E was added, the growth was significant. Now, after 2 years on spiro and 8 months one E, I have a B cup.

Quote from: GhostTown11 on June 01, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
Thats an awful long time. Did you change regimens?

Yes over the 14 years I tried everything I possibly could. Some HRT's and anti androgens worked better than others, some didn't work at all. What I'm taking now seems to work best for me but I'm still trying new things to improve on that. The biggest blow for me was not getting shots at they are illegal in the U.K.

I think the implicit question was: what was the most recent regimen change that seemed to spur those changes?

Quote from: A on June 02, 2012, 07:16:05 AM
I think the implicit question was: what was the most recent regimen change that seemed to spur those changes?

Yes, I think it did.

Uhm... I'm sorry, but it wasn't really a question you can answer in a yes-no manner. I meant, uhm, you know... what the change was.

11 days of hrt:   I can notice something behind my nipples now, kind of hard and sort of squishy too.  My chest is kind of getting a little pointy, my nipples and the area aren them are starting to protrude just a bit, but having a concave chest makes it more obvious:

They already stock out similar to boobs. 

Am wearing a whit tshirt today that is kind of long and hangs...my chest is noticeable from certain angles....yikes!  I love it but will need a bra in a couple of months if this continues

A funny thing that happened yesterday.. A guy I have worked with for a couple of years now looked at me in a strange way, his eyes where going from my chest to my arms all the time when we talked. I had a t-shirt on me but did not think that anything would be noticable.




But..... It felt strange, he has never looked on me like that when we talked before :S.


Maybe I am paranoid  :o

Quote from: Carolina1983 on June 04, 2012, 09:52:07 AM
A funny thing that happened yesterday.. A guy I have worked with for a couple of years now looked at me in a strange way, his eyes where going from my chest to my arms all the time when we talked. I had a t-shirt on me but did not think that anything would be noticable.




But..... It felt strange, he has never looked on me like that when we talked before :S.


Maybe I am paranoid  :o

Well, I think maybe he liked what he saw?  Hehehe, he may have been checking you out. 

I have read this thread once or twice this year to see some of the discussion about breast growth as I am 8 months into my HRT and am curious about others' development. I would love it if the OP wanted to update us on how her breasts have developed over the past year, and all of the responders who seemed to be growing as well...At 8 months I don't know if you can classify mine as AA or what but they are growing...just very small. There is fatty tissue, some glandular stuff I think, my nipples protrude like 2 inches its weird...but theyre big and sensitive and I think its all normal...anyway hope no ones annoyed I got curious about this thread and thought itd be fun to see some updates.

I'm 5' 9" & weight 190 pounds for now, kind of a baby fat type body I guess. My breasts have definetely grow some after renewing HRT just for the past 2 weeks. My nipples are far more sensitive. They are an A cup easy.

A year ago, no HRT, @200 pound, maybe just under an A cup (moobs)

Now, 7 weeks into E-only HRT, @145 pound, working towards an A cup. The areola is expanding slowly, and is usually fairly puffy. I can feel new ducts and glands, and the breasts are getting that fatty tissue.

Perhaps I was pre-disposed to breast development though. I had breast development as a child. At about 12yo or so, I had the 'walnut' sized gland under each nipple, and they were sore back then. That was the limit of the growth sadly, and those glands slowly shrunk over the years into nothingness. With E now, it took about three weeks for those glands to return to their former state.

I definitely had some fat in the area beforehand - I could get a bit of "cleavage" if I shoved everything together hard enough - and I also had the breast buds and swelling in puberty. Which probably explains why I had tenderness by day 5 and could fill an A-cup comfortably by the end of week 1. The shape kept filling in and improving over the next couple years, and by now (a bit past 3 years on HRT) I am a 38D-42DDD depending on the bra. I did notice that it seems to go in cycles : soreness, then the breasts suddenly seem very dense and stick straight out, then softening as fat is layered on, then a rest period where nothing seems to happen, then repeat. And the areolae look all puffy and sticky-outy in the first two phases, then fade back into the breast in the latter; I assume eventually they'll stay less puffy once my breasts are done growing. I'm OK if they want to stop soon, honestly... I've heard of trans women who ended up needing reductions, and the last thing I want is to find I need to pay for *another* surgery!

My mom's a 34B, so I count myself lucky I apparently didn't get her genes. :) My sister is more endowed too, though; looks like we both take after my father's side, which has comfortably plump, curvy women.

After 2 years I'm almost filling a B-cup. Which is good, because if the general rule is 1 size smaller than my Mum, then I've been lucky and gotten bigger than her.  But then my frame and everything is bigger than her so I guess it was just going to happen anyway.

Quote from: sam79 on May 04, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
...I can feel new ducts and glands, and the breasts are getting that fatty tissue.

It's good. 

My partner poked, prodded, nagged  and finally got me in to see her OB/GYN.  The OB/GYN is quite nice, and I like her a lot, but I usually see the nurse practitioner there.  After they gave me my first breast exam, the NP told me and showed me how to identify the glands and ducts.  I have a lot of good glands, apparently, and good big ducts.  I am in to see the NP a lot the last year or so, always a breast exam, and the report is good breast health for me.

So do not worry about the size so much as the glands and ducts.  They are important.  The size can take care of itself, and others will admire what you have, but the real issue is the glandular and ductal tissue.

One year on hrt and I am very close to a B-cup. They are growing faster now than ever before so I hope that they will get a little bigger than this :).


I will probably have BA in the beginning of next year to a D.

I posted on the first page of this thread a year ago. I was filling out an A cup then @ 8 months HRT. Around the 14 month mark I was fully filling out a B cup. They haven't grown much since then, but the shape is getting more girly if that makes sense. Some of my B cups are too small and almost act as a binder, but my C cups are too big... so it's a bit of a dilemma. I think I'm at tanner stage 4 which is rare for trans women who start late. The areolas just started getting bigger. The last guy I was with mentioned how feminine I looked with my shirt off and I thought that was a HUGE deal for me.

Maybe I'll get to a C some day.

Quote from: Fezzika on May 06, 2013, 02:37:32 AM
...perky tangerines at my armpits instead of watermelons at my belly button.

It is common for women to have most of the glandular tissues laterally, into the armpit area.  One's eye-catching area is up front but the working machinery is further back and to the side.

That is the case for me.  My nurse practitioner explained that the lumpiness under my arms was not lymph glands but milk glands.  That is one reason I try not to wear an underwire bra.  My Bali Flower supports me fine, but the outer part of the U shaped wire is like a low grade tourniquet on the glands and ducts between the nipple and the underarm area.  I want them to be unconstricted and healthy, so a soft cup bra is more my style.

So... as for me, the "perky" armpit area is a good thing.

Well little over 1 year since I've restarted HRT and I've had about 2 inches of breast growth, about an A cup.

I am not wearing a bra yet so am wearing sports vest under my clothes.

I'm IS an had breasts ever since puberty many years ago my left breast was almost a B-cup an the right breast was between a A-B Cup I had small areolas an nipples, This coming Friday I will be on HRT for 9 weeks my nipples have been sore for 8 weeks now my areolas are getting larger in diameter an very puffy my nipples are getting larger my left breast is getting larger an the right one seems to be catching up. I was with a friend an I was getting into her car an the door hit my nipple an I hollered "Ouch" an it did hurt.   

Quote from: Sarah S on August 08, 2013, 12:55:52 AM
...getting into her car an the door hit my nipple....

Sarah, I have one thing to say about car doors: BE CAREFUL! 8)

Quote from: generous4 on May 06, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
It is common for women to have most of the glandular tissues laterally, into the armpit area.  One's eye-catching area is up front but the working machinery is further back and to the side.

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I started noticing buds at around like 3-4 months.

Around like months 7-8 I was about 38A.

I'm 11 months now and I'm currently in a 38B :)

over nine years and I'm still waiting...

Buds appeared ~ 2 weeks after starting estrogen (I was 2 weeks on Spiro before starting E, so maybe E just kicked in stronger... I dunno :) ). Afterwards, they started to grow - each in its turn - even now they tend to compete with other. About 2 months in total I noticed that the fat tissue has started to grow around them as well. At 3 months on the HRT they are quite perky now, but with that soft tissue which could jiggle a bit at times :P

Well I got small buds in about a couple weeks after I started spiro, was already on E. Now that I'm on a high dose of E I'm really hoping that those buds, which haven't grown really :( will finally start to really come out.

Quote from: Joules on May 06, 2013, 02:37:32 AM
lol, luv ya Jamie.

I'm like you, I've had moobs for many years.  My current estimate is that I have about a B cup without any female hormones.  I am overweight, that adds to it.

I'm intensely curious what would happen if I started HRT.  My Mom was well endowed, I understand that my trend would likely follow hers.  Not sure it's the best thought for me, I'd rather have nice lil perky tangerines at my armpits instead of watermelons at my belly button.

My condition was called "persistent pubertal gynecomastia."  In other words, it never went away.  I can't say I fully understand the mechanism, but I responded well to even low doses of estradiol.

Quote from: Jamie D on August 09, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
...it never went away. 

Same here.  My breasts came in when I was a sixth grader, like most of my cis- classmates.  I showed my mom but she did not do anything, never talked to me about it.  Memorable moment: one of my 6th grade classmates seeing me with my top off while dressing for a school play, "You need a bra!" 

It was not true: I did not need a bra in sixth grade.  But over the years, got larger, slowly, enough to feel conspicuous, barely enough to pass the pencil test.  Then when I began hormones, a bit more and did feel like wearing a bra.  Last year on the new protocol, quite a bit more, definitely MUST wear my bra!  :o   :D

I also  had persistent pubertal gynecomastia which presented itself as a small breast bud under a small bit of fat directly behind the nipple about 1' in diameter, as well as Montgomery glands on the nipple surface. day 3 they started aching, day 6 the disk/bud pushed up past the fat to the surface of the nipple. it grew into what felt like a cylinder mass and they looked kind of pointy, the mass/disk subsided and softened and about a week later they rounded out. 8 weeks and a lot of pain later, 34b....and stretch marks :/

Quote from: generous4 on August 13, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
Last year on the new protocol, quite a bit more, definitely MUST wear my bra!  :o   :D

That was a great day for me, the day I was required to wear a bra.

Quote from: noleen111 on August 15, 2013, 09:25:03 AM
That was a great day for me, the day I was required to wear a bra.

The great day for me was being encouraged, by my boss, to wear my bra at work if I was comfortable.  She wanted me to feel comfortable; I had been binding, but it had gotten really painful.  She was great about it.

Quote from: noleen111 on August 15, 2013, 09:25:03 AM
That was a great day for me, the day I was required to wear a bra.

When my S.O. said I'd better wear one or they will be going south!

I'm really looking forward to wearing a bra for its actual intended purpose instead of faking breasts. I really hope that somewhere along the way, my breasts do come in. I really don't want to end up with nothing, stuck faking things forever.

Question... I'm 22 years old. Started HRT at 20, almost 21, but I was on a very low dose of estrogen, which was increased by 50 % a month ago. I don't have a thin physique or thin person genes at all; I still look sort of fat at ~132 lbs for 165 cm (5' 5") while I should be in a very healthy range.

I got soreness and tingling for a while, and since then, I've always had my nipples/areolas relatively sensitive to pressure, with them having a lump underneath. Right now I vaguely look like I sort of have a fat man's man-boobs, and they might look like they have grown a tiny bit since increasing my dose, even though I'm pretty sure my torso can still pass as male. Since going full-time, I've been using a very padded bra to fake A cups.

So, here's the question. How likely is it that I never end up growing any acceptable size of breasts? I know that some women don't even have much breasts at all, but what worries me is that all of those women, from what I know, barely have any fat anywhere to begin with. They're naturally very thin, and their small or nonexistent breasts follow that fact. But sheesh, I'm definitely not a naturally thin type, I'm relatively young and both my sister and my mother have very respectable sizes.

I'm getting a bit worried, to be honest. I wish I could just instantly test my blood levels at home, whenever I want to, to make sure I'm in the appropriate range, and see if an increase can be considered.

That's not the point. I know I pass and all and all. But the very act of disguise is a profound annoyance. As is the fact that I cannot in any circumstances be seen by anyone before I get dressed (and put on my bra), or risk a very weird impression. (Because I certainly don't keep it on at night. It's sensitive, and I figure it needs a break.)

'Cause you know... On any woman who isn't naturally thin, having no breasts (heck, even having small fake A's like mine) looks especially awkward, because it virtually never happens. And looking at myself

Also, I seriously doubt I can even consider implants in "a few years". I still have to empty my priority list of facial hair removal, then body hair removal, then Adam's apple removal. Even when I get a job in my domain (which is, if I decide not to go to university, over a year away, but at least 3-4 if I do (and I think it's likely that I will)), I doubt I can produce the funds for all that so soon.

I know, the previous paragraph was utterly useless. Sorry. Anyway, mainly, more than encouragement, I was looking for information and experiences. But thanks.

Well, TBH, I don't think many trans women experience breast growth beyond a B cup, if that. I think the stats are, if you believe the site second type woman, that 75 percent of trans women never get to a C. And 50 percent never get to a B. But even if you don't, when you graudate in 4 years and get a job, then you can get BA. I think a lot of the trans women who get big boobs had gynecomastia, and thus are recpetive to E. I had severe gynecomastia since I was 18. It's not a result of being overweight as I am skinny as a rail. I'm 5'6 and 130 lbs. I tried working out to get rid of them but it just made them bigger.

That being said I think your E dose has a lot to do with it. Now that you are on a higher dose you should see some more development. Have you considered trying Prometrium? I know the jury is out and there is no evidence either way, but the way I feel about it is I would rather take it and not get anything then not take it and still not get anything but never knowing if I could get more. Sometimes years in on HRT some trans women really develop so you still gots a ways to go.

I really do hope you get some more growth. You're such a awesome, sweet woman that you surely deserve it :-)

Quote from: A on August 16, 2013, 02:52:18 AM
That's not the point. I know I pass and all and all. But the very act of disguise is a profound annoyance. As is the fact that I cannot in any circumstances be seen by anyone before I get dressed (and put on my bra), or risk a very weird impression. (Because I certainly don't keep it on at night. It's sensitive, and I figure it needs a break.)

'Cause you know... On any woman who isn't naturally thin, having no breasts (heck, even having small fake A's like mine) looks especially awkward, because it virtually never happens. And looking at myself

Also, I seriously doubt I can even consider implants in "a few years". I still have to empty my priority list of facial hair removal, then body hair removal, then Adam's apple removal. Even when I get a job in my domain (which is, if I decide not to go to university, over a year away, but at least 3-4 if I do (and I think it's likely that I will)), I doubt I can produce the funds for all that so soon.

I know, the previous paragraph was utterly useless. Sorry. Anyway, mainly, more than encouragement, I was looking for information and experiences. But thanks.

You'd be amazed how many cis-girls, including some very famous beauties have tiny, or close to non-existent breasts. Kiera Knightley is one obvious example, also Kate Hudson and Paris Hilton, though both have had boob-jobs in the past couple of years. That's always something you could consider if you can't get natural growth.

Quote from: A on August 16, 2013, 02:52:18 AM
But the very act of disguise is a profound annoyance. As is the fact that I cannot in any circumstances be seen by anyone before I get dressed (and put on my bra), or risk a very weird impression.

I totally get this. It's the same with me. I've got acceptable breasts (but I still use breast forms so that they are obvious). My problem is my hair which is thin up above and makes me look like a middle aged man. I cannot allow myself to be seen without a wig.

I am consoled by reminding myself that this is an authentically female experience. Females in generations past felt naked without their make up, and even the silkiest tresses look like a holy mess before considerable care.

Quote from: Carlita on August 16, 2013, 06:10:35 AM
You'd be amazed how many cis-girls, including some very famous beauties have tiny, or close to non-existent breasts. Kiera Knightley is one obvious example, also Kate Hudson and Paris Hilton, though both have had boob-jobs in the past couple of years. That's always something you could consider if you can't get natural growth.

I know that. The next thing I know is that I've never seen one cis woman with very small breasts who wasn't quite thin. And I looked up all of these celebrities, and heck, every single one of them is pretty thin. The small breasts don't look the slightest bit weird on them. but give them my butt, thighs, belly, even arms, and sheesh, NOW it'll look extremely unnatural.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 16, 2013, 03:45:32 AM
Well, TBH, I don't think many trans women experience breast growth beyond a B cup, if that. I think the stats are, if you believe the site second type woman, that 75 percent of trans women never get to a C. And 50 percent never get to a B. But even if you don't, when you graudate in 4 years and get a job, then you can get BA. I think a lot of the trans women who get big boobs had gynecomastia, and thus are recpetive to E. I had severe gynecomastia since I was 18. It's not a result of being overweight as I am skinny as a rail. I'm 5'6 and 130 lbs. I tried working out to get rid of them but it just made them bigger.

Lucky. Well, honestly, even a simple A would be extremely encouraging in my present state. Like, something that looks like actual breasts, not a slightly fat man's chest.

That being said I think your E dose has a lot to do with it. Now that you are on a higher dose you should see some more development. Have you considered trying Prometrium? I know the jury is out and there is no evidence either way, but the way I feel about it is I would rather take it and not get anything then not take it and still not get anything but never knowing if I could get more. Sometimes years in on HRT some trans women really develop so you still gots a ways to go.

Well, I intend to discuss it with my doctor once I reach a desperate state of estrogen having been obviously at the right levels for a good while and still nothing happening. Though I really hope I at least get something, someday, without it, because, well. I doubt I can convince my doctor to prescribe me a medication that isn't proven effective at all. So I hope I don't need to try.

There's implants, yeah, but I wonder... implants in something that doesn't remotely look like breasts... Wouldn't that make balloons? x.x

I really do hope you get some more growth. You're such a awesome, sweet woman that you surely deserve it :-)

...Well, on me right now if you forget about my face and hair it still doesn't look especially unnatural, but that's for the sole reason that my torso still looks absolutely male.

Quote from: A on August 16, 2013, 02:01:05 PM
I know that. The next thing I know is that I've never seen one cis woman with very small breasts who wasn't quite thin. And I looked up all of these celebrities, and heck, every single one of them is pretty thin. The small breasts don't look the slightest bit weird on them. but give them my butt, thighs, belly, even arms, and sheesh, NOW it'll look extremely unnatural.
...Well, on me right now if you forget about my face and hair it still doesn't look especially unnatural, but that's for the sole reason that my torso still looks absolutely male.

Where's you T level at? You're in Canada so are you on CPA? CPA is technically a progestin. It also a true AA as it blocks T at the androgen receptor. It is not radically different from  Provera as they are both Progestins. But Provera acts upon the Pituitary gland and stops T production at the source and also inhibts GnRH. Both are used as chemical castration agents for sex offenders.  It should cause better breast growth judging from anecdotal accounts. If you can get on it I would. I know people say progesterone is bad and it doesn't work but one study (not a double blind true study) says that in MTF patients who took a progesterone have breast development that is unable to be differentiated from a genetic female but MTFs that have not taken progesterone do not have the same result. You could tell the difference between MTFs who never took progesterone and MTfs who did by the amount of glandular tissue. The study was flawed though so take it for what it is: anecdotal. But if you are getting zero breast growth I feel like it is worth a shot. if you reacted badly. Stop.

I got into an A cup after two months of HRT (the first one I started with a lower dose). I'm now 3 months and a half, and slowly getting into a B cup.

I take estradiol valerate and cyproterone acetate, both in pills form.

Testosterone is really low... It's in the lowest part of the normal female range. And yeah, I take cyproterone as an antiandrogen.

...Now, I wouldn't say I'm having ZERO growth... But so far, I'm definitely having nothing significant enough to make my torso look female. Of course, after just a month of HRT on a decent dose of estrogen, maybe it's normal; I don't know. It really annoys me not to know what to expect though.

Also, if I indeed get zero growth, you can officially crown me the most unlucky in the domain. Not even having modest breast growth is rather rare, and even more if you consider my age group and body type. Actually I've never heard about it and I'll bet that since so many of his patients are a lot older, my doctor didn't see any either, and how he said that I shouldn't be too disappointed if it happens disregards the importance of age. Or something like that.

Sigh, today, I talked to this random guy on the Final Fantasy XIV open beta and told him I would only play until the beta is over, because of the crazy prices. He said that 15 $ a month for a game was actually very reasonable, to which I replied that it's more than 10 % of my available income after essential expenses (excluding food because it's hard to calculate). Apparently being able to pay 15 $ a month for a game is normal.

I hate poverty. I can live simply and go without all the games and entertainment in the world, but when I look at the fact that I'll probably have to go through another full school year still having to shave my face because I ran out of money for facial hair removal and then think that I might eventually have to add the crazy expense of breast implants to that, I just want to wake up from the nightmare already.

Sorry, slice of life/very depressed episode.

I loved the new breast tenderness soreness and growth. Hugs Shannon

I just restarted my HRT after about 2 months off.

My Areola are so puffy, it's awesome. At some points they get massive...

My question is, does this mean that fat is being deposited into that area?
Why I ask is because over 20 years ago I had my nipples pierced, but had removed the nipple rings years ago.
But the round shape of my nipples were ruined. They are more elongated then any form of round shape.

I am hoping that the shape may get filled in and make them a bit more round looking and fat, is this possible?

Also, how much %wise will my nipples size and areola increase? I am hoping for LOTS...

Comments? Experiences?
Thank you.

Mine have crept along, slowly but surely, over the first 9 months of HRT.

It's only now that my HRT has been maxed out, that they are really taking shape.

mine have really rounded out after 18 months

I was born mostly as female but never had boob grow. So i started hrt when i was 20 and now got a cup B. It went quick BC i am a biological female but one year later i realize i feel more like a guy so i am starting T ...

i had very low tstosterone to begin with, but, after going on low dosage estrogen, and spiro i had nodules behind my nipples that i noticed at day 16.  and now, at 2 month mark, they have spread out to ~1.5inches in diameter.  and have pretty much been constantly painfull to the touch since day 12-13 or so.

Don't we love boob talk!  YMMV remains the bottom line and there are countless posts here about drug regimens and responses. 

An earlier responder, Jamie D, noted they came in 40 years before HRT and I have a twist on that.  From around puberty it felt to me that i did have very real breast, however small, that were part of what I knew as my shadow self.  I cross dressed for years with breast forms but found it very unsatisfying until I came out full time and started transition.

Now having the growth and size of some typical teenagers it is a wonderful confirmation and validation of, what to me, was always there.  It is so good to be real!

I started last month on Spiro and E initially then double that a week later. Now a month later, I have sore nips and expect it to last a long while. I started out just short of filling a 42a and am now easily a full 42a and expect to have to by new bras soon. All the ciswomen in the immediate fam are DDs or bigger. I'm looking forward to seeing how things go from here. TTFN Hugs.




*No Dosages Please*

 ??? Sunday last ,nipples sore and chest too, as the week has gone on theres a ping pong ball size lump under nipple and the, what id call the breast triangle,under collar bone ,to chest centre and round following the breast line under and back to collar bone has really grown and is bl*dy sore.right breast bigger than left. Nipples hard and pointing out 1/2 inch and dont relax.so 2 weeks into hrt there was starting reaction 3 weeks and im thinking i need advice of a gentle bra cos when i lean forward i have a surprising shoch of what hangs down , i wouldnt mind but i was flat chested before hrt.  :o dont get me wrong im happy  :laugh:  but i believe this isnt the norm. P.s since on hrt ive never been more happier,i wish when i was 14 year old 39 year ago id asked to do what i felt right then instead of keeping my mouth shut and pleasing family,doing service in forces, while married 12yr, she helped with crossdressing and then my second wife bought me female clothing ect, i decided it NOW im gonna do what my boy feels and i desperatly have always wanted.  Thank you for everyone on Susans Place, your giving me support and confidence.

Hi, Gillian!

Welcome to Susan's.

Congratulations on starting HRT!  Yes, breast tenderness and nipple stimulation is pretty normal at 2-3 weeks on HRT.  It is too early to estimate how your breast development will go, but if you have pin-pong ball sized breast buds already, you might do very well!

I would recommend a sports bra for now, particularly if you are not yet 'out'.  A tank top style sports bra will be mistaken for a tank top under a shirt, and it will contain the girls and control their movement.

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I've been on Spiro and Estra for a month + 1 week and there's no discomfort or anything yet, should that have happened by now??

My freaking endo isn't returning my calls, I had bloodwork like 3 weeks ago and I want to know what my levels are.

QuoteI should say though that using an anti-androgen for a long time (many months or years) without taking estradiol can be bad for your health.

I've been on dutasteride, as prescribed by my doctor for BPH, for over 1.5 years.  I think I've had a small amount of breast growth since then, but can't say for certain.  One can only hope!   ;)

I started out with very tender nipples between 2-3 months. Now, at 7 months, I have small breasts that will probably get an A-cup bra very soon. My breasts seem to have a mind of their own too. One minute they ache, and then out of the blue my nipples seem ready to burst from clothing.
They're funny little gals and I love having them :)

Amie June

Hello again Amie June

Gosh! It is precisely the same for me. Breast buds 2-3 months and small boobs after 7 months and aching and bursting!

I am 8 months HRT and the only additional point is right boob larger than left but I understand this may or may not change.

Hugs

Pamela

*Dramatic turn* They never did!

Quote from: Madison2002 on October 18, 2018, 11:53:05 PM
I've been on Spiro and Estra for a month + 1 week and there's no discomfort or anything yet, should that have happened by now??

My freaking endo isn't returning my calls, I had bloodwork like 3 weeks ago and I want to know what my levels are.

For me, it took about 3 months for any significant growth. I only got tender at around 1.5 months out. I'm a thin gal and it was a long time ago, but I'd say give it a bit more time.

Quote from: pamelatransuk on October 20, 2018, 04:31:04 AM
Hello again Amie June

Gosh! It is precisely the same for me. Breast buds 2-3 months and small boobs after 7 months and aching and bursting!

I am 8 months HRT and the only additional point is right boob larger than left but I understand this may or may not change.

Hugs

Pamela

Pamela, my left is bigger than my right! My endo and a female friend said this is normal for cisgender women too. I've grown to like/accept the difference and actually prefer my smaller boob. We've entered a new and wonderful world, haven't we? :)

Hugs
Amie June

Tenderness and budding started around week 3 for me. Currently at week 7, and they're almost noticeable in a t-shirt, and can easily be seen in anything more form fitting. Had about an inch added to my bust so far. I'm super skinny, 120ish, 5'8", so it seems like they're more obvious since I'm built like a stick. Also lost an inch on my waist, definitely getting a more feminine silhouette.

Quote from: Amie June on October 20, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
Pamela, my left is bigger than my right! My endo and a female friend said this is normal for cisgender women too. I've grown to like/accept the difference and actually prefer my smaller boob. We've entered a new and wonderful world, haven't we? :)

Hugs
Amie June

We sure have. So exciting and so beautiful!

My cisfemale friends have also told me their norm is asymmetry rather than symmetry!

Hugs

Pamela

Started at three weeks, continued for over three years and counting.

Quote from: Memento on October 20, 2018, 06:52:12 AM
*Dramatic turn* They never did!

For me, it took about 3 months for any significant growth. I only got tender at around 1.5 months out. I'm a thin gal and it was a long time ago, but I'd say give it a bit more time.

What about libido? Mines definitely lower after a month but still very much existent. I'm at low dose and afraid that it's not doing anything. Should I look for a different endo?

I don't really remember to be honest, been too long ago but I think it was sometime after a few weeks to maybe a month  :icon_chick:

This is fascinating reading for me,  because what I am biologically, I am growing my own breasts without estrogen.   Size wise I am between an A cup and a b Cup, or if we measure in fruits, a normal sized orange or an apple.  And surprise, surprise, my left boob is larger than my right side one.  The difference is clearly visible!
I do not have any tenderness in my nipples (but definitely can feel sexual stimulation), so, no hurting but good feelings.  This might be because the girls are growing naturally and slower?  My problem are erect nipples for 24/7, no matter whether it is cold or hot, or what kind of thoughts are going through my head, those guys are erect.  This is a little bothersome, because they get almost sour rubbing against fabric the entire day long.
I wonder what will happen to my breast growth once I am on hormones by the en of the year!  I don't want to have real big breasts, and I hope they stay in a pleasant size limit!

HI there,

I started finasteride and e early last week and after 3 days on meds my nipples started to "be at attention" all the time and they i dont want to say ache because there is no pain but they definitely let me know they are there. 
I am not out yet but am a larger lady so i already have something there already so an increase or change won't be noticeable yet, but i am working on losing some weight!!

Good luck all!

Quote from: Tria on October 24, 2018, 07:55:53 PM
HI there,

I started finasteride and e early last week and after 3 days on meds my nipples started to "be at attention" all the time and they i dont want to say ache because there is no pain but they definitely let me know they are there. 
I am not out yet but am a larger lady so i already have something there already so an increase or change won't be noticeable yet, but i am working on losing some weight!!

Good luck all!

It may be the finasteride with me, too that makes my nipples be up all the time.  Nosy little buggers!  I have no pain either, just the rubbing inside the clothing gets uncomfortable after a while.
I am about 6 years on that stuff now, but I never really paid attention to those nipples.  I realized it two or three years ago, after my breasts started to grow.