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is there anything that can be done to create the same affect well placed silicon injections have to create hips , but without the risk/ danger  besides fat transfers which im assuming dont last ?

Simple answer: NO

Quote from: Mich on May 11, 2012, 07:08:52 AM
Simple answer: NO

that sucks , id just use silicon if i could be guaranteed id have amanda lepores luck with it . she doesnt seem to have any migration or lumpy/ bumpy bits but knowing my luck id end up dying or having to have parts of my body amputated from someone horrible reaction

Some girls I know look lovely with silicone injections but even if it were a success, I'd be afraid of the long term effects.

Quote from: mementomori on May 11, 2012, 07:15:48 AM
that sucks , id just use silicon if i could be guaranteed id have amanda lepores luck with it . she doesnt seem to have any migration or lumpy/ bumpy bits but knowing my luck id end up dying or having to have parts of my body amputated from someone horrible reaction

Some women having older type breast implants, silicone is ALWAYS contained in a 'bag'. Yet those implants can rupture and so the silicone then WILL leak out. A close friend had that happening after a car accident.
(Newer type implants, Cohesive silicone gel, still on test in US, will not really leak)

She had to have the leaked out silicon removed due to the health hazard. Was feeling quite sick. It was expensive and VERY unpleasant to boot.

Now would you want to create such a health hazard by injecting the stuff?! Creating much the same effect. I guess not.

Leaking silicone implants were and still are a MAJOR health issue for breast implants not so very long ago... BTW, leaked silicon is considered carcinogenic too.
Just for further reflection on the subject.

Liposculpting, as it is called, is the process of taking the fat from your gut and putting it your butt (or hips).

It is actually quite effective and permanent.

What happens is that when the fat is harvested and transferred, a certain amount of the fat cells will die and be lost.  The amount that is lost depends on the part of the body where it is deposited.  Approximately 25-40% will be lost in the hip/butt and even higher in the case of facial fat sculpting.

However the amount that survives the transplantation will be there permanently and act just as they did before.  Like getting larger when you even look at a chocolate sundae.  :)

And the location where the fat has been harvested will never grow more fat cells.  So it's kind of a win in both areas.

But it can be expensive, but probably not more so than silicone implants.  And much safer.

Check around with the more popular plastic surgeons for their position on the subject.

I had liposculpting and fat with Dr Z about two weeks ago and although I'm still waiting for all the swelling and stuff to go down the results so far look amazing, I'll be able to make a better judgement on the results in a few months once everything has settled.

You can also get solid silicone implants which arn't as dangerous as silicone injections, I think Dr Chugay does them.

Quote from: Sandy on May 11, 2012, 08:28:47 AM
Liposculpting, as it is called, is the process of taking the fat from your gut and putting it your butt (or hips).

It is actually quite effective and permanent.

What happens is that when the fat is harvested and transferred, a certain amount of the fat cells will die and be lost.  The amount that is lost depends on the part of the body where it is deposited.  Approximately 25-40% will be lost in the hip/butt and even higher in the case of facial fat sculpting.

However the amount that survives the transplantation will be there permanently and act just as they did before.  Like getting larger when you even look at a chocolate sundae.  :)

And the location where the fat has been harvested will never grow more fat cells.  So it's kind of a win in both areas.

But it can be expensive, but probably not more so than silicone implants.  And much safer.

Check around with the more popular plastic surgeons for their position on the subject.

Interesting! is there more info on this subject anywhere on the net?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on May 11, 2012, 07:43:20 PM
Interesting! is there more info on this subject anywhere on the net?

Yes there is.
But what Sandy put is pretty much all you really need to know.

Liposculpting is so much more better health wise than silicone implants.

If one's top, as in my case, is a 14 (Chinese XL) and one's butt is a 12 (Chinese L); AND one still looks like having too narrow hips?

Some say the jig is up once you're past size 12 (as a European type female), and in my case I AM size 12 - well my butt is.

It be a consideration to remember that loosing more ON TOP - if possible, and during early-ish HRT and transition (2 years plus) .
It will need quite some more patience though, no question, and the same does of course apply to for BA considerations.

Quote from: Mich on May 12, 2012, 01:31:05 AM
If one's top, as in my case, is a 14 (Chinese XL) and one's butt is a 12 (Chinese L); AND one still looks like having too narrow hips?

Some say the jig is up once you're past size 12 (as a European type female), and in my case I AM size 12 - well my butt is.

It be a consideration to remember that loosing more ON TOP - if possible, and during early-ish HRT and transition (2 years plus) .
It will need quite some more patience though, no question, and the same does of course apply to for BA considerations.

loosing on top ? are you talking about loosing muscle on the shoulders etc ?

Quote from: JoeyD on May 11, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Yes there is.
But what Sandy put is pretty much all you really need to know.

Liposculpting is so much more better health wise than silicone implants.

I have been considering liposuction around my belly area as that's what's happened after many years of HRT. Any fat accumulated in that area and not so much on the hip area. It is very frustrating.

Quote from: Mich on May 12, 2012, 01:31:05 AM
If one's top, as in my case, is a 14 (Chinese XL) and one's butt is a 12 (Chinese L); AND one still looks like having too narrow hips?

Some say the jig is up once you're past size 12 (as a European type female), and in my case I AM size 12 - well my butt is.

It be a consideration to remember that loosing more ON TOP - if possible, and during early-ish HRT and transition (2 years plus) .
It will need quite some more patience though, no question, and the same does of course apply to for BA considerations.

I am 16 on the top and 12 on the bottom which is pretty bad. I think many of us have a similar problem. It difficult when buying clothes, especially if they are a set and you have to quickly swap the tops around.

Quote from: mementomori on May 12, 2012, 05:53:32 AM
loosing on top ? are you talking about loosing muscle on the shoulders etc ?

Yes Dear, it's what I meant.
From start of transition (2 years back) to now, I have lost AT LEAST 1 size, and then some. This is despite actually having GAINED weight overall, about 10 pounds.
My chest (band size) was close to a 42 = 18! - now pretty much a 38 = 14.
The loss is a mix of fat and muscle, due to HRT and probably SRS.
All in all it's a function of TIME... low-ish T and ~ female E levels.

My experience.

I don't understand these #, 42=18, 16, 12..etc...I am 43 around my ribcage, there is no bra that fits me w/out certain adjustments. However, I am still in the male mode, HRT begins june 7, 2012, and hope that breasts begin to form in the next 12months or so.. Meaning, after my breasts grow a bit, I will be much larger around my pectoral area?

Quote from: Jackie Witt on May 12, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
I don't understand these #, 42=18, 16, 12..etc...I am 43 around my ribcage, there is no bra that fits me w/out certain adjustments. However, I am still in the male mode, HRT begins june 7, 2012, and hope that breasts begin to form in the next 12months or so.. Meaning, after my breasts grow a bit, I will be much larger around my pectoral area?

Those are common female cloths/dress sizes, and yes 43" around the ribcage is 'sizeable' - if measured BELOW your breasts/pecs.
In my experience though, when I measured 42" I could fit a (band) size 40 bras, having a stretch band!
However, any of those large bras do not come with small cups and start usually with a C cup going up to an E or F! Size 40 starting with a B cup which is still HUGE! (Cup size/volume for the same letter A,B,C,D etc. increase in volume with increased band size)
Once your breasts grow, your band-size will not normally increase, rather lessen due to loss of lats muscles and also loss of body fat on your back and behind arms and arm pits.
You are also quite likely to loose some fat, AND muscle below your breasts. All added may reduce overall chest size at least to a band size 40 (my guess), which happens to be about a dress size 16 or 18 depending on make.
The pectoral area is where your cup size comes in, the band size is measured BELOW your pectoral area.

I hope this all makes sense?

Axélle

I like the sound of this liposculpting, seems like eating cakes and lipo=way more fun than dieting!
Axelle if im 34 under bust and 38 on the bust what does that make me? Is there a guide to work out dress sizes/bra sizes that you would recommend?

Quote from: Siobhan on May 13, 2012, 04:38:56 AM
I like the sound of this liposculpting, seems like eating cakes and lipo=way more fun than dieting!
Axelle if im 34 under bust and 38 on the bust what does that make me? Is there a guide to work out dress sizes/bra sizes that you would recommend?

Oh hon, call YOUR self lucky, 34" eh?
That means about a 34 band (can't see a 32" here, really... that be tiny!) and B+ to a C cup?!?
UNLESS you have some major lats and pecs i.e. those 4" difference all spread about your upper chest, front AND back.
The under bust must be measured not exhaled, and bust (over nipples) not inhaled, eh? :)
Both just relaxed, um.
Each ~ 2 inches diff. is about one cup size as I recall.

Lastly, bras do differ A LOT, my experience.
Some band sizes are plenty smaller the others, some cups are lots closer together then others.
So... being able to try them on does help a LOT, meaning: saves money from a unsuitable purchase.

Axélle
PS: there are tables out on the web, yet I found them 'iffy' and for dress size you'd look at your under bust size or one up. So that be a 34 = size 10 - again I wonder. That small for the average male skeleton, for a tight t shirt it be fine, otherwise a size 36 = 12 = medium. Most of us at least at the start of HRT are more in need for a large, and if Chinese XL...

Haha I'm a 32" underbust :P
I have itty bitty tits though.

Well if I breathe in it is 32. I still got some weight loss to go yet too so maybe I will reach 32, that would be nice.

Quote from: JoeyD on May 13, 2012, 05:17:54 AM
Haha I'm a 32" underbust :P
I have itty bitty tits though.

Well mine are small so I dont see how I could even be a b? I'll just be waiting patiently for the boob fairy for the next few years ;D

Quote from: Axelle on May 13, 2012, 04:52:37 AM
Oh hon, call YOUR self lucky, 34" eh?
That means about a 34 band (can't see a 32" here, really... that be tiny!) and B+ to a C cup?!?
UNLESS you have some major lats and pecs i.e. those 4" difference all spread about your upper chest, front AND back.
The under bust must be measured not exhaled, and bust (over nipples) not inhaled, eh? :)
Both just relaxed, um.
Each ~ 2 inches diff. is about one cup size as I recall.

Lastly, bras do differ A LOT, my experience.
Some band sizes are plenty smaller the others, some cups are lots closer together then others.
So... being able to try them on does help a LOT, meaning: saves money from a unsuitable purchase.

Axélle
PS: there are tables out on the web, yet I found them 'iffy' and for dress size you'd look at your under bust size or one up. So that be a 34 = size 10 - again I wonder. That small for the average male skeleton, for a tight t shirt it be fine, otherwise a size 36 = 12 = medium. Most of us at least at the start of HRT are more in need for a large, and if Chinese XL...

Oh god does that really make me tiny? I wear a 32 band but have to move it up a notch to make it tighter.o.o

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/8466984/la-woman-loses-limbs-after-buttock-injections (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/8466984/la-woman-loses-limbs-after-buttock-injections) ugh more silicon disasters

what doctors do the feminizing liposculpting by the way ? i know zukowski does it but does anyone else do it too ?

Lot's of doctors across the US (and Thailand) do body sculpting liposuction with or without a buff lift but not all do trans patients. There are a whole bunch in the LA area who work with trans people, Dr Z (obviously) and others scattered around the place. THere are so many you would have do the research yourself. In some some ways choosing a surgeon for this is much of a muchness so long as a) the surgeon has worked on lots of trans people before AND knows exactly what they are doing b) is medically qualified c) you like their work d) you feel comfortable with them doing the proceedure.
It is really important to ask how they do it, what sort of fat cells they use and all of that. Some techniques are better than others. That being said the overall "sucess" of it depends on how much fat you have to sart with, how much fat you can retain, your doctors and of course your expectations!
I don't know if it has been mentioned before but Dr Chugay in LA does solid silicon implants. I have heard mixed reports about his ability as a plastic surgeon, but the photos I've seen looked good. I haven't heard anything from any patients directly about silcone implants though. He does good tits too (Dr Z generally -but not always- does terrible tits if you are thinking of getting a BA with him).

Quote from: mementomori on May 11, 2012, 07:02:52 AM
is there anything that can be done to create the same affect well placed silicon injections have to create hips , but without the risk/ danger  besides fat transfers which im assuming dont last ?

There are implants.

http://beta.locateadoc.com/pictures/case/33589 (http://beta.locateadoc.com/pictures/case/33589)

Interesting.

Looking at those before/after pictures, they look real - but frankly I'm NOT impressed. In most cases the before looks simply more like the real item.
Is it just me?

Axélle

I thought his results looked amazing, so I went to the main site of his practice...

$18,000 for a butt? Yea, no.

Even I'm not that vain/desperate/stupid  ::)

Quote from: Butterflyhugs on May 19, 2012, 12:28:31 AM
I thought his results looked amazing, so I went to the main site of his practice...

$18,000 for a butt? Yea, no.

Even I'm not that vain/desperate/stupid  ::)

You already have a nice one *flame*

IHMO, silicone injections are a BAD IDEA as there is little to no control over where it might end up in the long term.  In fact, I'm wary of silicone implants for BAs as if a leak happens, the stuff could end up somewhere irretrievable.  As with any implanted material - if capsular contraction (formation of a fibrous scar around the implant) occurs, you'd want to be able have revision done easily.

The thing that many surgeons don't tell people about BA is that depending on your luck, they may need replacement at the 10 year mark. :(

the solid silicon implants has me interested, but it seems like only limited doctors do them and i wonder if they have to be replaced after a number of years like breast implants have to be

Quote from: Sandy on May 11, 2012, 08:28:47 AM
Liposculpting, as it is called, is the process of taking the fat from your gut and putting it your butt (or hips).

It is actually quite effective and permanent.

What happens is that when the fat is harvested and transferred, a certain amount of the fat cells will die and be lost.  The amount that is lost depends on the part of the body where it is deposited.  Approximately 25-40% will be lost in the hip/butt and even higher in the case of facial fat sculpting.

However the amount that survives the transplantation will be there permanently and act just as they did before.  Like getting larger when you even look at a chocolate sundae.  :)

And the location where the fat has been harvested will never grow more fat cells.  So it's kind of a win in both areas.

But it can be expensive, but probably not more so than silicone implants.  And much safer.

Check around with the more popular plastic surgeons for their position on the subject.

I'll take a super-size order of this to go, please!!