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I am wondering alot about this.


The girls that pass only with the aid of HRT.. Where they girly looking even before? or can even a not so androgyne male bodied and faced MTF pass with HRT only?

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I need FFS but still I am still thinking about my possibilities to pass after say 2years or so. I know that there is no ultimate guideline that you can follow because everyone is different. But is it possible that a male face can change over to the female range? even if it is not so andro? I have a huge problem and its my nose :((, all the female relatives on my mothers side have the same ugly nose but they are females from birth so for me the nose is a bigger problem because it makes my face look. Well harsh and maleish.


I really hate my face because it screams male :(, and I am pretty sure that I will never pass without major surgeries and therefore I planned to do something about it in a year or so. But now there are bigger priorities up ahead that needs to be adressed before any surgeries can be paid for. So it kind of painful to realize that I may have to present as a male for quite a while longer :(((, and I am not sure how to cope with that to be honest.

Theres no way i woukd have ever passed bedore HRT, but now after only 8 months and nothing other than hrt, i rarely get referred to as a guy even without makeup. My nose is awful too... ill post a before pic of me when i get home.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on May 12, 2012, 12:47:40 PM
Theres no way i woukd have ever passed bedore HRT, but now after only 8 months and nothing other than hrt, i rarely get referred to as a guy even without makeup. My nose is awful too... ill post a before pic of me when i get home.

If I look at your avatar picture your face looks female all the way :S. You did not even pass with makeup before HRT? if that is the case I just got a little more hope :).


Thanks btw I look forward to some pictures :).

Honestly the only thing that throws me off is your skin quality.. Which will get much better on E.

Quote from: Carolina1983 on May 12, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
I am wondering alot about this.


The girls that pass only with the aid of HRT.. Where they girly looking even before? or can even a not so androgyne male bodied and faced MTF pass with HRT only?


get rid of those awful so-2009 lip clip things, use some foundation to smooth your complexion  and you'll pass fine especially with a nice nose like that.
nice girlie pendant.

You'll be fine I'm sure if that photo is an accurate portrayal.
I was in a worse state than you and I've been on hormones for more than 2 years... I think... you stop counting after abit ya know. Most of the changes occur within 9 months although your body may vary.

as for myself.
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While I'm still alittle neurotic about it and I'm never sure, thinking that most people are just begin polite I seem to be pretty passable.

Me before HRT

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It would take one awesome makeup artist to made that look female.

Wow thanks for the pictures  :o.

I am stunned... Both of you changed to much with HRT.


I got more hope now  :)

Quote from: Kelly-087 on May 12, 2012, 03:48:21 PM
Honestly the only thing that throws me off is your skin quality.. Which will get much better on E.

Yep I have had a hard time with my skin.. And it has even been worse more oily and gigantic pores  :embarrassed:. But I have seen some improvement lately due to myself taking better care of it. Hopefully my skin will look better in a few months.



I saw some pictures yesterday and are quite impressed that skin quality can do so much difference lookswise.

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Quote from: Carolina1983 on May 12, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
I am wondering alot about this.


The girls that pass only with the aid of HRT.. Where they girly looking even before? or can even a not so androgyne male bodied and faced MTF pass with HRT only?


get rid of those awful so-2009 lip clip things, use some foundation to smooth your complexion  and you'll pass fine especially with a nice nose like that.
nice girlie pendant.

;D thanks for your opinion. I am not usually wearing those. I only have them when going to a certain place. I will get a girlie pendant or 2 this autumn though, along with a few other things  :), planning to go part time then if E will be kind to me.

This was me right before hrt (about 13 and a half months ago)... passing wasn't even a thought :P

I tend to pass now (as long as I fix myself up a little bit before going out :P If I don't try to cover the leftover beard shadow and stuff...it isn't as likely...though, I still pass sometimes like that too :|

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Long hair and sculpting eyebrows can make a HUGE difference apparently.

Rabbit : When I look at the before pic and compare it to your avatar I must say that there is a big difference. And the funny thing is that I cant pinpoint what it is but whatever it is it made a huge difference.


I hope that I will be as lucky as you :).

Quote from: Carolina1983 on May 13, 2012, 12:49:56 AM

Yep I have had a hard time with my skin.. And it has even been worse more oily and gigantic pores  :embarrassed:. But I have seen some improvement lately due to myself taking better care of it. Hopefully my skin will look better in a few months.



I saw some pictures yesterday and are quite impressed that skin quality can do so much difference lookswise.

I had the same problem.. looking forward to seeing it get really white on HRT.

Quote from: Rabbit on May 13, 2012, 05:57:44 AM
This was me right before hrt (about 13 and a half months ago)... passing wasn't even a thought :P

I tend to pass now (as long as I fix myself up a little bit before going out :P If I don't try to cover the leftover beard shadow and stuff...it isn't as likely...though, I still pass sometimes like that too :|

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Long hair and sculpting eyebrows can make a HUGE difference apparently.

Wow! Um is it getting hot in here? Let's just say that if you have a brother pm me his phone number ;) amazing transformation...

Reference my avatar. :-)

Well this is me 3 months before hormone blockers and i've never once been "read" as you call it :L
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AlexisB : I am stunned  :o, you look just like any girl. Before hormone blockers? Oh my.


I am 7 months in and still look very much male. It is a bit depressing to be honest, I really hate it! FFS is the only option for me. But I am glad for you girls that can make it without.



You look really good.

  I may not pass, but I was a hairy Neanderthal before.  The body hair decreased and turned fine and light.  The head hair is the longest it has been for an 18 month growth, much longer with the two year try earlier before HRT.  It is now shoulder length.  My doctor two days ago was impressed by the growth. 

  Joelene

As has been said many times, we are our worst critics.  A friend came to see me last week who hasn't seen me for about 2 months, and said 'your face has changed so much' So stuff does happen over time. I have had a few spurts in changes the last few months. after everything seemed to have slowed down. Well never really got going for over a year.

Carolina all i'm saying is that you look like any other female to me! Your features are very well defined and not in a masculine way x

Carolina, Alexis has said it well, and Alexis you look as natural a cis born female that I have seen here, very Beautiful face and love the hair in your avatar.
Hugs
Jamie

Awk JamieP thanks! I did start blockers at 15 if that helped haha but thanks

Quote from: pebbles on May 12, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
You'll be fine I'm sure if that photo is an accurate portrayal.
I was in a worse state than you and I've been on hormones for more than 2 years... I think... you stop counting after abit ya know. Most of the changes occur within 9 months although your body may vary.

as for myself.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv63%2FDarkphantom%2F188881_109858632427096_100002088781883_92259_4235183_n.jpg&hash=ee15b1241a03a48bc3aba751db752dde09e3dab1)

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While I'm still alittle neurotic about it and I'm never sure, thinking that most people are just begin polite I seem to be pretty passable.

With your bangs down, you look very female to me. As in, I don't think I'd read you. Your expression seems a little off in that picture though.

Thanks for the kind comments :).


Hmmm I cant see much female in the mirror when I look at myself. But maybe it will get better in time? some days I see myself for a few seconds or so but then the image turns to a male =/, its pretty irritating. And some days I feel good about myself and how I look but the day after can be a total disaster and I just want to hide under the pillow or something. Is it always going to be like this? :P.

Carolina,

You already pass. Any of us will be in a position where we are read as male. That is the inevitability of transitioning in this binary world. I didn't want to transition unless I could do so in full acceptance of myself. This doesn't mean I am comfortable with being perceived male, but I do acknowledge and accept that my body is socially categorized male. Transition is about embracing my femininity, and negotiating between my soul, body, and world - who I am, and how I can assert myself here best to nurture myself. This is about self care. Be gentle on yourself. You pass when you believe in yourself. And of course the way you look plays an essential role in passing but be honest about your appearance and be grateful for the part of yourself you do like. You look like a woman to me.