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I hate it, I dont touch it, and I dont let my partner to touch it either.                            it=vagina
I use my vagina for sexual pleasure with uncomfort, and plan to change asap.     
I am planning it, but I will wait until its more developed                                                 it=phallotplasy
If it's not going to be enough developed for my expectations, I will deal with my vagina.             it= phalloplasty
I don't think I need it, I'm okay with what I'm having now.                                                                   

I'm sorry, but I'm kind of confused about the choices.  Is the "it" supposed to be the front hole?  Or the neophallus/phallo?

I don't get the initial question at all.
The way it's set up is almost as if it's asking a person who was born without a penis whether he feels better with or without his penis.
Usually, if he identifies as male, he will say he feels better with it and as long as he is not asexual he will likely use it.

Quote from: JasonRX on May 30, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
I don't get the initial question at all.
The way it's set up is almost as if it's asking a person who was born without a penis whether he feels better with or without his penis.
Usually, if he identifies as male, he will say he feels better with it and as long as he is not asexual he will likely use it.

Yes, the question is for people born without penis, but the question is not if they wold feel better with one. The question is aimed at the will of changing vagina, and that how they feel about it.

Option for people still considering or want phallo (as it is now) or prefer meta instead (and don't use the front hole)?

At this point, I have a constant debate with myself over whether I should stick with prosthetics or get a meta.  But sometimes, like today, I feel the need for a phallo.  Generally, I'm leaning more toward bottom surgery with a preference for meta, knowing I could get a phallo later.

ETA:  So I think my progress will likely go like this:  Medical prosthetic (within 1 year) > Meta/hysto (within 2-5 years) > Possible phallo later on if necessary

Moot point due to lack of funds.

If it gets big enough down there , I will have a meta. If not then I will get the phallo.
Ive always felt very disconnected from my body since being a teenager so it doesnt really
effect me what I have....I dont know how to describe it. It just doesnt seem to fully register
thats my body.

At first I wanted the phalloplasty but now I am leaning more towards the meta only.

I have a lot of stretched veins on my body and it seems that I am getting more scars so that could be not aesthetically pleasing as the donor site.

Also sensation is very important to me.  Unless there are techniques now that can replicate spongey tissue from the donor site and will give me erogenous sensation instead of tactile sensation then I don't see myself getting the phalloplasty.  If the medical advances were there for that to happen then I would gladly get the phalloplasty and go through all of those stages and expensive procedures even with a scared and broken veined penis.  Otherwise to me personally chances are it won't be worth it.

My plan is to go for a metoidioplasty with the urethral lengthening/hook up with a scrotoplasty and vaginectomy.  Bonus points of they can give me an uncut look.  It may be on the small side but I'll pump and lose weight so it will look bigger.


I know that I need bottom surgery.  I got too much dysphoria downstairs to keep what I have. 

I'm still hoping for future medical advances though.

I went into transition thinking I would not need bottom surgery, but now I am constantly considering my options in the back of my head. You could say growth on T left me wanting more.

I do not pack and I don't want prosthetics or STP's. I just can't stand all the extra hassle they bring. I need something of my own flesh that, frankly, stays put. But still, the phalloplasty that is available in my country at the moment? No freaking way. Actually I'm not even sure if they still do it, because of their complication rates, I will ask them about their progress when I go there for top-surgery consultation next week.
Does feel likely I'd start with meta.

I'm personally not going for anything. I feel like my discomfort with my genitals is minimal. I can honestly see myself living the rest of my life without any surgical alteration of my naughty bits and it not being a big problem. From time to time I'll look at surgical option and how the results look. While I like what I see, I just can't see myself needing it. That and the thought of surgery on my genitals is absolutely horrifying @_@. I don't know why, but the thought of a scalpel anywhere near the no-no zone makes me want to vomit ;_;. God bless those of you that can get past that.

If I had the money I would get a phallo.

Quote from: Darth_Taco on May 30, 2012, 10:57:35 PM
I don't know why, but the thought of a scalpel anywhere near the no-no zone makes me want to vomit

Maybe because there are a lot of nerves down there and there is a real risk that you will end up with something that looks more appealing but isn't as functional for enjoying sex?

"Remember, Dahling. It's better to look good than to feel good!"
(A lot of you guys are probably too young to get that reference.)

But I'm just speculating.  ;)

Uhhhh, I don't think this is completely about phallo...or it's mostly not about phallo. I actually know a guy that had phallo and kept his extra hole. For the sake of not triggering myself, I'm just going to use the word "genitals" to refer to the entire crotch-region, and "front hole" for the orifice that's there.

My genitals and I are bros (finally). I had moderate discomfort with what I had but T has improved that situation. My front hole in particular has changed in a way that I'm not so happy with. I used to really enjoy it, we'd have a blasty blast but there's been a few complications lately due to T. So, in general the whole region and I are cool, I'm kinda "meh" on having an extra hole, but all in all, it's not really a big deal. It exists and that's about it.

I feel that phallo and meta have higher success rates, and way more satisfactory results than what people think. I'd wager most folks don't do the research, and now with Dr. Brownstein retiring, his replacement is said to have shadowed some of the Serbian surgeons for lower surgery (which means great results are likely).

So...I personally don't feel like I'll be getting any surgery (I don't intend on having top surgery either) but feel that could change in the future.


OTHER NOTE: I have limited sensation as it is, so losing the little I have would be very bad.

I'm not going to answer the survey 'cause it's a little confusing to me but my option would be (if, in the fantasy situation that I had the money) I'd go for meta. If you're talking about the 'front hole', I'm planning on getting a hysterectomy too. I wouldn't get one without the other though and since starting testosterone my confidence has gone up fantastically. I value sexual sensation over aesthetics, I think.

Quote from: Nygeel on May 31, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
I feel that phallo and meta have higher success rates, and way more satisfactory results than what people think. I'd wager most folks don't do the research.

In addition to this a lot of the photos out there are of the unfinished product, maybe step 1 or 2 of a 3 or 4 step process.

I hate my "natural bits" - don't look at them, don't like to touch them, won't even let my wife see them. 

I plan on having a phallo - but because of funds, I'll also probably start off with the metoidioplasty then upgrade.  I don't give a rat's ass about an aesthetically-perfect dick - I just want something that is permanently attached to my body, that resembles a cock and I can piss through.  I am willing to sacrifice all sexual feeling "down there" for that.

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on May 31, 2012, 01:06:59 AM
I hate my "natural bits" - don't look at them, don't like to touch them, won't even let my wife see them. 

I plan on having a phallo - but because of funds, I'll also probably start off with the metoidioplasty then upgrade.  I don't give a rat's ass about an aesthetically-perfect dick - I just want something that is permanently attached to my body, that resembles a cock and I can piss through.  I am willing to sacrifice all sexual feeling "down there" for that.

Sadly urethral lengthening. One of the things that is very likely to get a lot of complications. I know one surgeon who give the option to lengthen to the testicles which allows for peeing while standing and has less complications.

Im going for the Phalloplasty. I actually had another consultation with the surgeon, Mr Christopher in London on Monday, and now Im just "waiting for the call" (Im so frikkin excited!!!!).
  Id agree that alot of people just seem not to have done much research and/or seen recent pictures of recent results.

There are a few different types of phallo, such as forearm, abdominal, thigh, latissimuss dorsi. And they can increase the potential of developing erogenous sensation throughout the created penis. With the forearm op, you end up with the best sensation since they take various nerves and veins and hook them up, including to one of the nerves from the *clit*.
   However, Im going for the abdominal. Im getting the urethroplasty, which I knew I had to go for personally, and yes, it is common to get complications, or atleast things that need sorting and touching up afterward, but much of it will either clear on its own, or only require a small touch by the surgeon.

Meta would give the best sensation, but for me personally, I wouldnt be satisfied with the size.

In terms of the "front hole", yeah, I dont get why anyone would want to acknowledge or use it at all. As part  of my phalloplasty surgery, in the 3rd and final stage, Im getting all that wrong crap removed and sewn and made to look male.  ;D

There is a British series called "My Transsexual Summer"

In one episode (Episode 3), there is an explanation of the FtM bottom surgery, showing the results

Quote from: Nygeel on May 31, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
a guy that had phallo and kept his extra hole.

That's strange, when I did my research, I ve checked the serbian hospital, the most famous one for srs and I asked the best surgeon in my country, and both said they dont leave the front hole, they refuse if someone wants their front hole to be kept, in case of meta and phallo either.

Quote from: Nygeel on May 31, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
I actually know a guy that had phallo and kept his extra hole.

I feel that phallo and meta have higher success rates, and way more satisfactory results than what people think. I'd wager most folks don't do the research, and now with Dr. Brownstein retiring, his replacement is said to have shadowed some of the Serbian surgeons for lower surgery (which means great results are likely).

Yep, yep, and yep.  Quite a few guys with metas also keep the front hole.  Sometimes it has to be closed a bit so it's smaller but still there.  I used to read about surgeons leaving a small opening anyway to allow drainage of various body fluids; don't really hear about that anymore unless it's the patient's choice and the surgeon will accommodate (some won't).

The results are definitely way better than most people think.  Seeing old/incomplete photos does not help any.  Or just hearing rumors and passing it along each "generation".  I read about the new surgeon earlier this week.  I'm very excited to see who it is and what he's capable of. 

When I was a child I would have phalloplastry, but as I grew older and notice about the risk and what it was about I doubt it more, and now I am leaning toward option 5-4 voted for 5.

as I wrotte many other places on this site, I dont really hate my Vja, just hate how it makes me "female"
I still wish I had a penis, who was normal size one once in a while, but so far its not what I would do here or now.
If the person I am is okay with me below, then I dont mind my phobia part on this is always putted on ignorants.

For me, personally, it has to be a natural part of me or I wouldn't want anything to do with it. It would feel like some foreign thing attached to me. But then again I never planned on having any surgeries. I've got plenty to work with right now that's naturally occurring. Sure it's only half the size of most average cis guys but at least I get a lot of feeling out of it. And the "extra" hole is just meh. Always has been. It's there, whatever, don't make much use of it.

I've thought about it, and I'd rather have a metoidioplasty done. I'm not keen on how the phalloplasty is done, and while there have been advancements in terms of the erectile prosthesis and the appearance, a meta will be as close to a functioning penis as I feel I can personally get. Size isn't a big issue for me, I'd just rather have something there that isn't a...hole.

I don't know what the future brings (...may it change when someday I get my first T shot?) - but now I think I'll need nothing, I would keep my stuff. :)
I never hated it, never attached the title "female genitalia" to it - there it is, shape of - kind of this... and that's all. However I've thought about it many times already, maybe a meta- would be fine too but why should I have a cut if it works fine for me, at the moment..? (I don't even pack, IDKW.)
Of course, I totally understand y'all guys who'd change but for myself... hmm, no need. If my brains feel that I am treated like a man, my genitalia IS something unique male and that's it.

I plan on going for Phallo rather than meta maybe its just me but I hate my lower parts I wouldn't even let my ex girlfriends touch it and my next girlfriend wont either. Say something goes wrong and i can't feel anything down there thats fine as long as it looks somewhat decent. Call me crazy, but thats just me.

Quote from: Andris on June 13, 2012, 06:39:20 PM
(...may it change when someday I get my first T shot?)

Wow, you look pretty guyish to not be on T. Just sayin'.

Quote from: landon_marius on June 14, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
No offense, but lrn2english.

Susan's is an international site that serves people from dozens and dozens of countries. If you don't like the way someone writes, you can always block that person. Attacks are uncalled for. I think you owe Caliyr a public apology.

And FWIW, his English is better than some of the writing I get from native speakers in my English classes. And those people are writing formal essays that supposedly took hours to write and revise. How do you think those students would feel if I told them "No offense, but lrn2english"?

Quote from: dalebert on June 14, 2012, 01:33:25 PM
Wow, you look pretty guyish to not be on T. Just sayin'.

I concur! Look great Andris, I can only imagine the changes once you do start T. Hopefully you decide to share with us!  :)

Regarding the OP - I have not considered phallo and don't believe it is something that will change in the coming years.

For a long time I identified as "stone" and had absolutely nothing to do sexually with my genitals. However, with time I have come to accept my genitals and have been able to degenderize them. I do not associate my clitoris, or vaginal opening, with my gender identity. To me it is simply my sexual organ(s). I went from completely 'stone' to being far more comfortable with exploring my sexuality with my partner who's own stone identity has evolved. Although I still have problems with her performing oral sex on me without my strap-on, I have no problems with her touching me.

Then again it is also a lot about the fact that she does not feminize me with her touch. Which is wonderful. For example, I could never feel comfortable with her strapping and penetrating me lol.

But yeah, I'm good with my goods. They are no longer tied to my gender identity. The clitoris holds over 8000 sensory nerve endings... and I'm not too keen on risking any sensation.

I don't have any problem with my genitals. I wish they were different, but they're not, and oh well. Yes, others have touched them, yes I enjoy it, yes I touch them often, and I find other men with typically "female" parts attractive, especially when testosterone-enhanced.
As for surgery... ehhh... someday medical science will advance enough that phalloplasty is an option for me, but to be frank -
- hehe, -
...I'd really rather not have a prosthetic penis. Having to pump it up, and possibly having no sensation? Yeah, no thank you. Not to mention I'll probably never be able to afford the surgery anyway.
I like my functioning micro-penis, thank you.
So possibly, metoidoplasty is an option, but I'm fine with what I have. I never understood the genital hate, possibly because physical sex and gender are completely unrelated in my mind (aside from the obvious fact being that most men have penises, and most women have vaginas) and so I don't think of my junk as being "girly-parts", since it belongs to a guy.
Unfortunately, it's shared with a lot of girls, so there's that...
Which has it's advantages, I mean, we know what to do when in bed with a girl, something that takes biological males practise.

Im guessing that Mr.Tentacles, youre just not as informed about the procedures and what the possible outcomes are, rather than just being offensive to those considering or having had the op (I for one, am having the surgery this Summer). I could be annoyed by that comment, but instead I assume you just havent read up recent information, as many phalloplasty results do end up with sensation now due to the improvements to the techniques. Also, not all guys opt for the erectile device (I dont want it. Too many risks and long term complications. And I dont want all this fiddly equipment in me). Also, after having spoken to guys post op, and the actual surgeon himself, Ive learnt that it is possible for guys (mainly the abdominal or thigh phallo, as opposed to forearm) to have penetrative sex without the erectile device. Instead, they can use their sensate, penis for sex, without pumping it.

   So, theres a little bit of info for you :p

I never understood the lack of genital hate...!

Something that makes sense to me --> For so many guys to keep wanting phalloplasty results to improve before they consider it, how are surgeons going to perfect their techniques if 90% of guys have this attitude?  I'm not saying it's bad/wrong to want better results - not saying "be a guinea pig", but just saying it's something to bear in mind.  Surgery results can't improve if everyone approaches phallo with the "frankenstein cock" attitude I see all the time - there will be so few of us for surgeons to operate on and learn from that advances will be years coming.

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on June 16, 2012, 11:19:54 AM
Something that makes sense to me --> For so many guys to keep wanting phalloplasty results to improve before they consider it, how are surgeons going to perfect their techniques if 90% of guys have this attitude?  I'm not saying it's bad/wrong to want better results - not saying "be a guinea pig", but just saying it's something to bear in mind.  Surgery results can't improve if everyone approaches phallo with the "frankenstein cock" attitude I see all the time - there will be so few of us for surgeons to operate on and learn from that advances will be years coming.

Agreed.  I'm still thinking about having meta done first and then going back for phallo if necessary though.  But you're absolutely right.  Techniques can't improve if there are too few people to improve them on.

Guys would you mind sharing some links to this information? I would really be interested in reading about the advances. Regrettably when I do searches for it, I come across the same old images I've always come across. Which is deterring for me.

Quote from: Nicolas on June 16, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
Guys would you mind sharing some links to this information? I would really be interested in reading about the advances. Regrettably when I do searches for it, I come across the same old images I've always come across. Which is deterring for me.

Same here with me too please if you guys don't mind.  :)  I can't seem to find new information on it.  I look on transbucket often only to see the same 21 pictures of phalloplasties done and some of those pictures won't even show up.  Despite what I said earlier I am still somewhat interested in the phalloplasty and may upgrade after a meta if I feel that won't personally satisfy me.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about personal preference here.
If you want surgery, that's fine. I don't.
My point was that I'm fine with what I have, and it looks to me like there are plenty of people who want surgery, and therefore, plenty of room for surgeons to improve.
I'd personally rather not risk it, and I'm sorry if my personal preference offended or annoyed anyone.

Quote from: Mr. Tentacles on June 16, 2012, 04:05:14 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about personal preference here.
If you want surgery, that's fine. I don't.
My point was that I'm fine with what I have, and it looks to me like there are plenty of people who want surgery, and therefore, plenty of room for surgeons to improve.
I'd personally rather not risk it, and I'm sorry if my personal preference offended or annoyed anyone.

It was the wording that was seen as offensive, definitely not your personal preference.

If anyone finds a post offensive, please report it by way of the "Report to Moderator" button in the lower right.

QuoteI'd personally rather not risk it, and I'm sorry if my personal preference offended or annoyed anyone.

I don't think people were put off so much by your preference for yourself--I think they were responding to some unfortunate phrasing in your post.

Quote from: Mr. Tentacles on June 16, 2012, 05:35:16 AM
I mean, we know what to do when in bed with a girl, something that takes biological males practise.

Actually, I haven't got the first clue of what to do with a girl in bed (and even less interest). Back when I was forcing myself to experiment with that sort of thing, I was quite the amateur, perhaps as incompetent as a regular guy messing around with girls for the first time. It was quite horrible, and a couple of times I found myself thinking, "How the f*** would I know what girls like?!" Those were weird moments indeed. :P

I can't really go with any of the options in the poll. I sexually enjoy very much what I have, but it's the wrong thing and that makes me feel bad. I'll get lower surgery if it ever comes within reach financially, and I am very particular about which methods I want and how far to go with it.

I dunno. My breasts give me so much dysphoria that it's hard to see past top surgery for myself personally. Tunnelvision.

Not exactly the warmest welcome...
I really didn't mean anything offensively. I mean that sincerely.
Kinda hesitant to post anything now...

Quote from: Mr. Tentacles on June 17, 2012, 01:27:58 AM
Not exactly the warmest welcome...
I really didn't mean anything offensively. I mean that sincerely.
Kinda hesitant to post anything now...

Sometimes these forums (as well as many other places) will chew a person up because one or two people take offense to something that wasn't intended to be offensive.

Please don't refrain from posting what you think and believe. If a few sensitive people are bothering you... then try not to worry about it; address them about it if necessary, however. Sometimes, people being sensitive can be insensitive to other people.

Quote from: Mr. Tentacles on June 17, 2012, 01:27:58 AM
Not exactly the warmest welcome...
I really didn't mean anything offensively. I mean that sincerely.
Kinda hesitant to post anything now...

Aw, don't worry about it. We all say things we don't think anyone will have a problem with, and next thing you know, someone is painting a big target on our roof and calling in the Navy. Just try to be a little less...rude, lewd, and crude. :P

I agree that people can be too sensitive sometimes just ignore them and mov on with your day because you opinion is just as valid though i don't always agree with people I know that they are free to say what they think as well

People can be hyper sensitive when it's talking about genitals - maybe just remember they belong to someone, especially here it's not just talking about hypothetical procedures.. If surgery isn't for you that's great and you're completely within your rights to an opinion.. You will not find anyone here who will not allow you an opinion. At the same time if it is something in your future well hey that's great too! Just a matter of choosing the right words to get your point across without making it sound as if you're being disrespectful to the person who did choose to have the surgery - going through all the pain, financial battles and struggles etc...

I for one am looking to book my phalloplasty in Jan 2013 -I'm talking to both Miro and Rados in Serbia. I have always hated my natal genitals - I have a lot of trouble even just saying the biological term of what I happen to unfortunately have. I used to say that I would wait until the procedures are improved some more but honestly how long am I supposed to put my life on hold for - 5yrs, 10??! Nah, I've been on hold my entire life never done anything or gone anywhere because I'm not comfortable enough to walk out of my comfort zone and risk getting 'found out' - NO MORE!! I will complete my transition (in my eyes) and then be free to finally live MY LIFE as I always should....

Jay

Quote from: Aussie Jay on June 17, 2012, 02:18:38 AM
People can be hyper sensitive when it's talking about genitals - maybe just remember they belong to someone, especially here it's not just talking about hypothetical procedures.. If surgery isn't for you that's great and you're completely within your rights to an opinion.. You will not find anyone here who will not allow you an opinion. At the same time if it is something in your future well hey that's great too! Just a matter of choosing the right words to get your point across without making it sound as if you're being disrespectful to the person who did choose to have the surgery - going through all the pain, financial battles and struggles etc...

I really love you Aussie Jay, because that sums up my feelings perfectly.

Thanks Andy means a lot to say something people actually read :D and agree with!

Quote from: Aussie Jay on June 17, 2012, 03:25:31 AM
Thanks Andy means a lot to say something people actually read :D and agree with!

Also congrats, are you booking it for Jan 2013 or just calling at that time to book it?  What an exciting time for you!

Quote from: Andy8715 on June 17, 2012, 03:38:01 AM
Also congrats, are you booking it for Jan 2013 or just calling at that time to book it?  What an exciting time for you!

Thanks man yeah I plan to book it soon so I actually have the procedure in Jan :) and yeah pretty excited but scared at the same time!! Massive decision...

Malachite and Nicolas - if you guys, or anyone else for that matter, is interested in seeing a variety of newer results, you're free to send me a private message with your email address and I can send you the information that I sent to Casey. I dont mind doing that for anyone, it just details a little bit about each technique, roughly what scarring to expect, and some more up to date results of different surgeons. :)

And Aussie Jay, good luck with everything. I hope you manage to sort everything out and have all your planning run smoothly for Jan 2013 :) Miro and Rados produce some really impressive results dont they? And you get to experience an interesting part of the world! (Albeit, mainly from a hospital bed, but hey, theyve got windows... :p)

I'm a bit confused about the sensation you get with a phalloplasty. I've heard you can achieve an orgasm but if it's taken from your arm just for example, wouldn't that just feel like someone running your arm?

Tom - Many guys will either orgasm by the motion stimulating their original/mini penis, or, since many surgeons now are improving their techniques, the phalloplasty can develop erotic sensation (not just tactile, like the touching of an arm) due to the nerves present in the skin graft, being connected up to nerves from the original penis. So the erotic sensation spreads and develops throughout it all, or atleast parts of it. This coupled with the original still being able to be stimulated is how guys can orgasm.

Quote from: Make_It_Good on June 20, 2012, 07:43:24 AM
Tom - Many guys will either orgasm by the motion stimulating their original/mini penis, or, since many surgeons now are improving their techniques, the phalloplasty can develop erotic sensation (not just tactile, like the touching of an arm) due to the nerves present in the skin graft, being connected up to nerves from the original penis. So the erotic sensation spreads and develops throughout it all, or atleast parts of it. This coupled with the original still being able to be stimulated is how guys can orgasm.

Thanks for that pal. I was worrying I'd have to choose between a penis and a orgasm lol.

Quote from: Make_It_Good on June 20, 2012, 07:43:24 AM
Tom - Many guys will either orgasm by the motion stimulating their original/mini penis, or, since many surgeons now are improving their techniques, the phalloplasty can develop erotic sensation (not just tactile, like the touching of an arm) due to the nerves present in the skin graft, being connected up to nerves from the original penis. So the erotic sensation spreads and develops throughout it all, or atleast parts of it. This coupled with the original still being able to be stimulated is how guys can orgasm.

That's certainly new to me!

Do you know if ejaculation is possible after a phalloplasty?  I know it's possible after a metoidioplasty for some guys but I've never heard of that happening after a phalloplasty.  My thinking is that if one has the ability to do it after a metoidioplasty and that person decides to get a phalloplasty later then the possibility should still be available if the Skene's gland wasn't messed with.

Then again I could be way off the mark.

6 day old thread!! ohh well not been on a while so forgive me!

none of the above fits me as i had phalloplasty and i think for ME its the right choice i could have made!

Some facts for ME and my results:

I can orgasm from my new penis
erections are easy with my fitted pump
i have feeling in my penis and its NOTHING like rubbing my arm


had mine in the uk

Quote from: thatsme on June 25, 2012, 06:30:05 PM
6 day old thread!! ohh well not been on a while so forgive me!

none of the above fits me as i had phalloplasty and i think for ME its the right choice i could have made!

Some facts for ME and my results:

I can orgasm from my new penis
erections are easy with my fitted pump
i have feeling in my penis and its NOTHING like rubbing my arm


had mine in the uk

Thanks for the input, are you happy with the result in terms of looks and such?

Yes i am i mean my testicles are smaller than i would like as in tight to my body but as my penis hangs over them it does not show so don't matter plus having looked on site online i see other men born with testicles can look like mine too!

but penis look wise very happy been to changing rooms and things with no odd looks and of course i can use urinals ect if i wish more than happy overall with my resuls  ;D

Quote from: thatsme on June 26, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Yes i am i mean my testicles are smaller than i would like as in tight to my body but as my penis hangs over them it does not show so don't matter plus having looked on site online i see other men born with testicles can look like mine too!

but penis look wise very happy been to changing rooms and things with no odd looks and of course i can use urinals ect if i wish more than happy overall with my resuls  ;D

Ah brilliant! I can't wait for mine. I'm looking forward to it more then top lol. Thanks for the info and I'm glad your happy with it.

Definitely contemplating Meta for the near future, but will wait until i'm 100% happy with phallo to invest in that. for the meantime though, i'll be much happier with metaoidioplasty

I loathed the hole, so I got rid of it.  Phalloplasty is not right for me, but I have seen some results and they are amazing.  I am happy with my meta.  If it would miraculously grow into an average sized penis I'd be elated, but since it won't, I'm happy with it.

Jay

I have to admit, part of why I never post (been checking out this forum for over a year now!) is because I'm always terrified someone will misunderstand me, I noticed it happens a lot. Confrontation is clearly not something I'm good at  :-\ I'm also one of those people who is equally shy on the internet. Somehow I haven't quite grasped the concept of "anonymity"!

Anywho... While I don't really care much at the moment as my priorities are school and T, and then finally fixing my chest. I think one of the reasons I'd prefer meta is because of size. I don't see people talk about it much but the size of your penis doesn't really matter unless there's penetration involved. I'm just over five feet tall and a six inch (I'm assuming you can get them smaller, just sayin') dick dangling there 24/7 would be a tad awkward.  It'd be a tenth of my height! I don't really like the current erectile device and from what I understand it makes the penis thicker and harder but doesn't make it much longer. So I think, if I could have the surgery at this moment, I'd choose meta, or even nothing. Because I specifically want something that can grow, not just harden. But my opinion might be a little biased because I horseback ride. Spandex and a giant dick? Actually, maybe I SHOULD try out for my college riding team.  :laugh:

I wonder what fundamentally straight vs fundamentally gay trans men tend to prefer--whether there is a trend. I know more than a few former lesbian trans men who don't intend to have bottom surgery at all. They don't want it. I feel as if their former community--lesbian circles, that is--made it easier for them to appreciate certain anatomies and be more comfortable with themselves as they are. But it's just a theory, and I've met guys who are exceptions. It's not like I'm keeping a running total.

I used to go places in my head. That was my retreat--other worlds, other futures, other realities. In these private spaces, I was always male and gay, and I always had typical male equipment. I know that I can only imagine how it feels to have the right parts down there, but I got very used to climbing inside my head and slipping into the right body and feeling my penis and testicles down there, and sharing them with men. When I stopped being able to access those worlds four years ago, I missed too many things to list here. But one thing I missed was that feeling of having the right parts bobbing around down there. And having sex with them.

I don't see how I could be happy with meta because I still have those memories--and expectations. It's almost as if I had those parts and lost them and need to replace them. I also have a very stereotypically gay attitude toward male genitals. That attitude has only gotten stronger over the years, I'm afraid.

Quote from: Arch on August 14, 2012, 07:21:10 PM
I wonder what fundamentally straight vs fundamentally gay trans men tend to prefer--whether there is a trend. I know more than a few former lesbian trans men who don't intend to have bottom surgery at all. They don't want it. I feel as if their former community--lesbian circles, that is--made it easier for them to appreciate certain anatomies and be more comfortable with themselves as they are. But it's just a theory, and I've met guys who are exceptions. It's not like I'm keeping a running total.

I think you might possibly be on to something there.  I'm still sort of part of a lesbian community (hate the word lesbian though) as I'm not doing anything towards transition at the moment due to the tension it'll put on my family, potentially losing my gay girlfriend and gaining nothing in terms of medical transition due to my age.  When I'm older then I'll have to reconsider my situation, but it will probably consist of me going ahead with transition pretty quickly.  I plan to go on T one day, but the change I'm looking forward to least would probably be dick growth because I've grown comfortable with down there, especially in the last 6 months when I've been with my girlfriend.  I know that she appreciates down there and it suffices for what it needs to do perfectly well to me.

Not being too keen on having either phallo or meta could also be something to do with just not liking dick as well, for me at least.  Cis men's dicks look nasty to me and having something which isn't totally like them seems even more bizarre and unattractive and I don't really think I'd want that attached to me if that makes sense.  I don't expect to be attracted to my parts - I'm not now and I'm into women - but I don't want to have something I feel is ugly either.  At least I can't really see it with it how it is.  I don't know whether I've just had poor hygiene, but on the two times I've been confronted with a cis guys penis the smell... it wasn't particularly strong but enough to make me want to throw up a little.  It was probably from cum or something but I'd not want to risk smelling like that really.


Edited for personal info.

Alex, it could have been a hygiene issue, or it might have been a compatibility issue. I actually don't like the way most guys smell. When a guy is compatible, he smells good to me, and so does his crotch. Or, if you are attracted to women, maybe you're not capable of being attracted to guy-smell.

But if you go on T, your crotch odor will change.

I suppose I've got a terrible case of penis envy and always have had. :P I've only ever enjoyed sex with guys, I like the way a well-groomed, compatible guy smells down there, and I've always loved d*** (even more after transition).

I 'grew up' in the lesbian community and it was almost indoctrinated into you that as a lesbian you didn't like dicks. to some extent that was true for me- looking at another bloke's penis has never done anything for me; but the thought of having my own? Different matter entirely. I did think for a while that i would go with meta and maybe use a sleeve over it so it was big enough for penetration but now ive had my chest surgery there is definitely a need growing in me to have a 'normal' sized penis. Especially if, as people are saying , orgasms are now possible. If i have to choose between size and sensation/orgasm then i'm afraid the orgasm wins every time.(at the minute)

I do not understand why some Transsexual men would hesitate to go through with it at all. The sex corrective surgery is not perfect for male to female transsexuals either, but it is better than the alternative. It is awful having to dilate ones vagina for their whole life three times a day for 15 mins, but it has to be done. No, Lewis, and other Transsexual men, us girls prefer big ones or at least average size ones. In regards of penis sizes, 6" length x 5" circumference is considered average and the smaller the penis the thicker it should be in order to compensate for length.



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First, let's please be mindful of language and use only medical terminology for anatomy.

Secondly, not all of "us girls" are interested in being physically intimate with men regardless of size. Please refrain from blanket statements.

Thank you.

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Quote from: Realdimensionaltggirlhere on September 03, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
I do not understand why some Transsexual men would hesitate to go through with it at all. The sex corrective surgery is not perfect for male to female transsexuals either, but it is better than the alternative. It is awful having to dilate ones vagina for their whole life three times a day for 15 mins, but it has to be done. No, Lewis, and other Transsexual men, us girls prefer big ones or at least average size ones. In regards of penis sizes, 6" length x 5" circumference is considered average and the smaller the penis the thicker it should be in order to compensate for length.

You don't need to understand our reasons, our choices do not affect you. And might I remind you that not all women, like Connie said have an interest in guys. Blanket statements do nothing but try and fit people into silly catagories.

I was writing something for this thread and it was getting kind of long. Meanwhile I was listening to a podcast by some friends of mine and they mentioned me. They said I talk a lot and sometimes they can hardly get a word in edgewise... I took it as an omen to shut up and filed my post away in my private journal. :)

Quote from: dalebert on September 04, 2012, 12:42:33 AM
I was writing something for this thread and it was getting kind of long. Meanwhile I was listening to a podcast by some friends of mine and they mentioned me. They said I talk a lot and sometimes they can hardly get a word in edgewise... I took it as an omen to shut up and filed my post away in my private journal. :)

And now you have pique my interest, you minx!  ;)  :laugh: Actually, I do wonder what non-trans folks think about it. My partner and I have talked in depth about the surgeries, but he is overall supportive of what I want to do.

Quote from: Ayden on September 04, 2012, 02:15:52 AM
And now you have pique my interest, you minx!  ;)  :laugh: Actually, I do wonder what non-trans folks think about it. My partner and I have talked in depth about the surgeries, but he is overall supportive of what I want to do.

I'll PM you. It's a basic "If I were trans..." (but I'm not) post. I'm worried it might be triggering for some.

The more I think about this point, the more I wonder if maybe I should start calling myself genderqueer or something.  I identify fully as male, I'm loving testosterone and I want top surgery... but I'm totally content with what I've got down below (except for when it bleeds.)  It's not just a grudging acceptance, either.  I like to be penetrated and everything.  And the growth and extra sensitivity from being on T makes me like it even more.

Part of my reason for not wanting phalloplasty is that I'd never trade a perfectly functioning vagina for a tube of skin you can pee through that (usually) barely looks like a penis.  But I'm not sure I'd want it even if the results were indistinguishable from a cis-male.  I know there's no one right way to go about transition, but I'm still running around in my head wondering if I'm "not trans enough" because of this.

I'm pretty okay with stuff down there as it is, it does what it needs to and I hardly ever pay any attention to it, unless having sex, in which case I'm just thinking about the feeling rather than what's happening down there.  Maybe it's only because I've seen old/incomplete phalloplasty results and trying to compare them in my head to a prosthetic, but I'm not sure I could have something that wasn't realistic down there.  I don't know, I just feel that I'd rather have something that was natural rather than something which to me isn't either natural or realistic looking.  Even if they do look better finished and healed properly I don't know if I'd be okay with spending at least a year with something that to me resembles a beanbag rather than a penis.

And seeing the photos of the actual procedure freaks me out a little, I'm normally okay with surgery photos but it's something about being down there and the way they pull everything around.... nope I'm not comfortable with that.  And anyway, I absolutely hate the idea of being under general anaesthetic (I kicked up a huge fuss and freaked out the whole hospital when I told them I wanted a simple 9 minute operation on my hand done under general when I was about 13-14), I just don't trust people enough to let them do what they want with my body and me being powerless to stop them/know what happened when I woke up.  Even when I have top surgery one day I'll probably see if there's anyway at all if I can have someone I trust watching or have it filmed, even if I have to destroy the tape in the hospital after I've checked it or something.

Quote from: Sylvester on September 04, 2012, 10:08:57 AM
I know there's no one right way to go about transition, but I'm still running around in my head wondering if I'm "not trans enough" because of this.

Oh, Sly...please don't do that to yourself.

Quote from: Arch on September 04, 2012, 09:28:45 PM
Oh, Sly...please don't do that to yourself.

I'll third that. Don't put yourself through that, man. Your identity is yours alone. Its about what makes you happy, not meeting the "status quo".

I used to feel rather put off by phalloplasty after seeing a set of photos documenting the procedure, but as dysphoria has progressed for me in the past few months, it's seemed like a much more attractive option. I, personally, am completely disgusted with my genitals most days and have felt like crying throughout the entire ordeal of releasing sexual tension. The idea of penetration makes me feel like physically ill and thinking about it happening is on par with a nightmare, especially when I have a twisted moment in which I've jinxed myself and cannot stop thinking about it. I've recently been been researching it a tonne because of this, but I have the feeling that fear of problematic turnouts and the unlikeliness of getting a healthy skin graft from myself will ultimately stop me from going down that road should I have ever wanted it. Metoidioplasty, however, seems like a much more do-able option for me.

I am open to my feelings on this changing, though. I am not yet on T and have not had any type of surgery, and having only really found out that successful transition was possible early this year and consequently was thrown into an identity search that lead me here, I have a long long way ahead of me yet. All I really know for sure is that stuff down there is not at all right and it needs to change in at least some way that is masculine.

Obviously, my post was not directed to genderqueer individuals, it was meant only for TRANSSEXUAL MEN. Those of you who claim the phallopasty results are not realistic enough, Have you seen the video I posted with my comment? Please look at the video before commenting. The phallopasty produces a very good results in regards to appearance, functionality, and sensitivity. In fact a lot of cissexual men get a very similar procedure done to treat erectile dysfunction disorders. There are risks in every surgery. Like the phalloplasty(FTM), the vaginoplasty surgery(MTF) is not exactly perfect, but is better than the alternative. Surgery only can progress if there is a high demand for it. Would you agree?

I have uploaded a couple of awesome phalloplasty results to photobucket. Hopefully you can see them!

NSFW, obviously  8)
http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/ (http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/)

Quote from: harlee on September 06, 2012, 06:59:19 AM
I have uploaded a couple of awesome phalloplasty results to photobucket. Hopefully you can see them!

NSFW, obviously  8)
http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/ (http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/)

Those look really neat and real. (Do you actually get to choose the size? Or is it on case by case basis)

great results looks like many of the pictures I have seen of cis men.  Does he have the erection device in place too?  If he does he could look and function like any guy of the street.  Who was his surgeon?

Quote from: harlee on September 06, 2012, 06:59:19 AM
I have uploaded a couple of awesome phalloplasty results to photobucket. Hopefully you can see them!

NSFW, obviously  8)
http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/ (http://s1060.photobucket.com/albums/t447/picturesofpictures1/)

Thanks for sharing! Looks great. How did the whole process take, if you don't mind my asking.

Quote from: Realdimensionaltggirlhere on September 05, 2012, 05:03:04 PM
Obviously, my post was not directed to genderqueer individuals, it was meant only for TRANSSEXUAL MEN. Those of you who claim the phallopasty results are not realistic enough, Have you seen the video I posted with my comment? Please look at the video before commenting. The phallopasty produces a very good results in regards to appearance, functionality, and sensitivity. In fact a lot of cissexual men get a very similar procedure done to treat erectile dysfunction disorders. There are risks in every surgery. Like the phalloplasty(FTM), the vaginoplasty surgery(MTF) is not exactly perfect, but is better than the alternative. Surgery only can progress if there is a high demand for it. Would you agree?

First off, yes, I did watch your video. Secondly, I understand what you are saying. However, I believe you are missing a point that a lot of folks don't consider. Just because someone chooses not to do something that is common within their communities does not change that they are a part of that community. You don't have to be pro-war to support your country's military personnel, you don't have to own a gun to be American, and or you don't have to be Christian to be patriotic (in the American sense.) And for some, what is in the mind is what is important and the body is just that - a body. Take Christian Scientists or Rastafarian. Christian Scientists believe that their faith and prayer will keep them healthy and heal them. They will choose to die rather than seek medical intervention. This doesn't make them bad people innately, it is a religious conviction. Rastafarian do not believe in modifying their bodies, which is why Bob Marley died instead of getting a surgery that could have easily saved his life, or at least prolonged it. Both groups can still have transsexual members - saying that those people are not transsexual in their identity or mind is saying that because they place their own religious beliefs as more important, they are someone how less valid that someone else. I don't think that is fair, nor is it right.

Saying that someone cannot be a member of a community because they have a different set of priorities does not work and it is a rigid category when the world is grey, not black and white. What if they cannot afford it? What if they do not heal well? What if they have a medical condition that would prevent them from seeking surgery or hormones? I know of at least one guy on this forum who was on hormones and chose to go off of them because they made him feel bad. What if someone is terrified of surgery to the point where it is a phobia? Are you saying someone who is poor or afraid is less transsexual? What about people who live in an area where it is unsafe for them to transition? Are they less of a man or woman for trying to keep themselves safe? What about people who chose not to transition for reasons such as family or career? Are they less transsexual because they chose to put their family before their own desires and wants? People can be more than one thing, and they can hold different priorities and still be a part of this community. What makes us a community is that we fundamentally feel our gender is out of sync with out bodies. A community is made of shared experiences and feelings, not a set formula that everyone follows to a T.

I'm not saying that how you feel is wrong - you are free to have your own opinions on what ever you chose. However, I do not believe you can ascribe your personal opinion to me or any other person. You don't have to understand anyone else's motivations or feelings to respect their identity. It doesn't make us enemies or put one at a greater level than another. It just means we are human.

Quote from: Ave on September 06, 2012, 09:25:23 AM
Those look really neat and real. (Do you actually get to choose the size? Or is it on case by case basis)

Im pretty sure you can choose the size (it might depend on the surgeon) but most surgeons recommend that you dont get more than 6 inches!

Quote from: mm on September 06, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
great results looks like many of the pictures I have seen of cis men.  Does he have the erection device in place too?  If he does he could look and function like any guy of the street.  Who was his surgeon?

Im not sure which ones have erection devices but I have now put the names of the surgeons for each one in the photo descriptions.

Quote from: Ayden on September 07, 2012, 12:10:56 AM
Thanks for sharing! Looks great. How did the whole process take, if you don't mind my asking.

I wish that these were my pictures but sadly they arent  8)

Undecided

Pro
-super dysphoric about not being able to penetrate and feel it
-i want a penis
-it is covered by the government

Con
-I can get it covered by government but the surgeon referred to does not create the best looking ones, so id likly end up paying out of own pocket to go elsewhere
-I worry that senesation will not be the same anymore. I rather like having the different sensations in the head and shaft of enlarged clitoris, somehow I don't think theyd be the same after phallo - though I could be wrong
-Again, many are ugly, especially when it comes to the testicles.. a lot just look super unrealistic and fake - I want function and design!
-and doesn't work like a real penis
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Quote from: Tad on September 08, 2012, 12:05:53 AM

-Again, many are ugly ass, especially when it comes to the testicles.. a lot just look super unrealistic and fake - I want function and design!
-and doesn't work like a real penis
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Calling them ugly and fake looking isn't necessary.  You could have said "I don't like the look".

Doesn't work like a real penis?  I guess all those guys who report happy sexual function with their are just bull->-bleeped-<-tin.

Sorry, I'm hating on the surgeon that i would be required to go to.


Government system sucks. My chest surgery was a massacre because of government funded surgery.

Quote from: Andy8715 on September 08, 2012, 12:17:21 AM
Doesn't work like a real penis?  I guess all those guys who report happy sexual function with their are just bull->-bleeped-<-tin.

When the docs can surgically create a penis that levitates on its own and ejaculates (even if not real sperm), then I'd say it works a lot like a "real" penis. The ones they're making now? Uh, no, not so much.

I know I'll be flamed for this, but seriously, I think people are being FAR too sensitive. You ask what people's personal preferences are, and you get precisely that. If Tad doesn't want a phallo because he knows the technology currently creates nothing like a natal penis, that's his business! That's just how some of us think.

Personally, I could say I'm offended by the comments from people who say, "I can't imagine why ANYONE wouldn't have a phalloplasty!" but I figure everyone is entitled to his or her opinion (though that certainly doesn't mean they're right). I'm fine with my anatomy down there, because it works. I'd be overjoyed if, one morning, I woke up with a penis, but it's not going to happen. In the meantime, there's no way in hell I'd spend all the money and time to have something that only resembles what I should have had. I have what I have, and I make the best of it. I already have 2 1/2 inches in my pants thanks to T, and if I pumped, I imagine I would be pretty satisfied with the results (and my partner already is satisfied). My life is about SO much more than sex. I'd rather save my money for things that will edify me.

Luc

I certainly don't believe phallo is for everyone or expect everyone to enjoy or like the way phallos look and they are welcome to an opinion.  That said an opinion about a very personal surgery can and should be expressed in a way that doesn't diss or put down others surgery results (which is exactly what saying "phallos look like (x)" does with x being something negative or hurtful.  A simple "I don't care for the results" or "phallo is not for me" or "current phallo technologies don't meet my needs" works fine.  No need to take it further. 

People talk plenty about the reasons they want the surgery. There's no reason to exempt comments about why people don't.

Again there is a way to say it.  "I don't like the aesthetics" vs "they look like fake dicks"

People actually have had this surgery remember? "Super unrealistic and fake" is a pretty personal and directed comment for those folks. It basically comes down to "your cock is lame." Surprising that people might be offended?

If you said vaginoplasty looked "super unrealistic and fake" I'd kind of think you were a prick. Because I've had vaginoplasty. And you'd basically just have said my body is gross and unappealing in the most callus and vicious possible manner. And on the women's boards, you'd get torn to shreds for saying that. Andy is being far more polite.

There is a difference between stating an opinion and being flat-out insulting.

I know some guys are sensitive about their junk.  I personally don't care what other people think of metas.  Diss them all you want if they aren't right for you.  In an ideal world I'd want a 3" flaccid/6" hard dick that gets erect and ejaculates.  Since that isn't gonna happen in my lifetime, having a 1" flaccid dick that gets over 2.5 inches hard and has ejaculated twice so far and is pleasurable is fine by me. The alternative (no surgery) was not for me.  Not trying to disparge those who can't afford surgery, as that is beyond control of many people, and not trying to disparge those who choose no surgery.

I'm happy with my junk and that is all that matters.

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 08, 2012, 08:40:23 PM
People actually have had this surgery remember? "Super unrealistic and fake" is a pretty personal and directed comment for those folks. It basically comes down to "your cock is lame." Surprising that people might be offended?

If you said vaginoplasty looked "super unrealistic and fake" I'd kind of think you were a prick. Because I've had vaginoplasty. And you'd basically just have said my body is gross and unappealing in the most callus and vicious possible manner. And on the women's boards, you'd get torn to shreds for saying that. Andy is being far more polite.

There is a difference between stating an opinion and being flat-out insulting.

Poppycock! :D

Nah, in all seriousness I think the mtf forums tend to be very laid back and supportive and all-inclusive, with the exception of maybe two or three people tops.

Not that this place isn't, just that I think people have this idea that mtf's are catty and whatever and if they are, they're not the only ones.

the technology isnt even there to fix genetic mens penises that have had a bad injury /peyronie's disease . the problem is they cant replicate erectile tissue in a lab to even replace a small section of damage tissue on a genetic man little alone grow an entire one for a transman

Quote from: mementomori on September 09, 2012, 05:01:50 AM
the technology isnt even there to fix genetic mens penises that have had a bad injury /peyronie's disease . the problem is they cant replicate erectile tissue in a lab to even replace a small section of damage tissue on a genetic man little alone grow an entire one for a transman

I think it could possibly be feasible in a generation or two's time seeing as they've grown a trachea from stem cells.  Although of course we'll probably be the last people to get this technology after people with life threatening illnesses and once transphobic people stop trying to stop us.

Just to encourage the guys. ( As if men's egos needed any more boosting.  You are blokes, it goes with the territory ;) )
I would just put my hand down the front of the jeans and see what I could find!  >:-) 
My burgeoning Bisexuality now allows me to happily think these thoughts.  Us girls find you just as attractive as cis-guys you know.

I don't really feel the need for it, personally. In some ways, I'm kinda indifferent on having a penis... I'm alright with what I've got, and getting on t and having top surgery in the future is what will really make me feel right.

I really, really want MLD phalloplasty. It'll be a good 15 oe 20 years before that's a possibility, and there will probably be some new techniques by then, but that's what I want based on what's available now.

Quote from: mementomori on September 09, 2012, 05:01:50 AM
the technology isnt even there to fix genetic mens penises that have had a bad injury /peyronie's disease . the problem is they cant replicate erectile tissue in a lab to even replace a small section of damage tissue on a genetic man little alone grow an entire one for a transman

they've supposedly done it on rats and rabbits. there's a lot of research being done that we never get to hear about, and i choose to believe that they will find ways in the future. the question is just how expensive it will be to have your penis grown in a laboratory.

Quote from: thatsme on June 25, 2012, 06:30:05 PM

none of the above fits me as i had phalloplasty and i think for ME its the right choice i could have made!

Some facts for ME and my results:

I can orgasm from my new penis
erections are easy with my fitted pump
i have feeling in my penis and its NOTHING like rubbing my arm


had mine in the uk

I think again, this is important, to be reminded that everyone's preferences and needs are different.
   I feel like the topic has gone to abit of a sensitive area with people making comments that are abit more general while making statements about what they feel. Some people don't like phallo, that's fine, but some of us have gone through all the pain, time and hassle of the long process and are very happy with it. On the other hand, some others just don't feel it is for them/is feasible (even if they may want it) so we cant claim that its crazy or anything that someone wouldn't have the surgeries.

Just like Thatsme, for me, it was by far, the right choice. I always felt it was the only choice for me and I am very, very pleased, and extremely grateful to have had phalloplasty (in the UK is where it was done). The sensation is fine, and I didn't have to choose between having it all done vs being able to orgasm. I chose to not have the "little guy" moved or tampered with. There are options there for specifics like that.
    The aesthetics Im pleased with, Ive not had any complaints from partners, or weird looks.
No, it doesn't get erect naturally as there isn't a way to replicate erectile tissue, whether they will ever be able to fully recreate a biological penis, I don't know, I guess that has no bearing on me now, but science is always moving in some way.

P.s it is also possible to have sex without the erectile device.

If you don't have an erectile device such as a pump, you can apparently make a soft phallo rigid enough for sex by putting on condoms. I don't know how much sensation you might get with two or three condoms on your part, though.

There are erectile sleeves that are kind of like a stiff condom you can use if you opted out of the pump!

At this moment I don't really feel like I'd need phallo, or even meto. My down-below isn't really a source of dysphoria or anything to me and what I have thanks to T kinda works like a cockles anyway lulz.

And I'm not gonna have a surgery this big unless I'm at least 99,9999999999...% sure of it. From what I've read the complication rate is high as hell and if I ever planned to get one, I'd wait till it has developed further. Even so, I'd most likely get a meto instead. :P

Quote from: Arch on September 08, 2012, 12:27:08 AM
When the docs can surgically create a penis that levitates on its own and ejaculates (even if not real sperm), then I'd say it works a lot like a real penis. The ones they're making now? Uh, no, not so much.

lulzy, then I guess guys with erectile dysfunctions do not have penises that "work like real penises". Bet they would love to hear that. I find it incredibly odd to call a penis real vrs fake. brb my penis is fake.....it doesnt exist. brb my penis is inside the puff the magic dragon and the tooth fairy and santaclause are having and orgy with it. 

My opinion?

Phallo was the right choice for me. Do I care in the slightest who gets one and who doesn't? Not really, in fact, the less guys that have them done the less teeny boppers on youtube showing off their "phallo scars" and making mine more appearantly related to the transsexual commuity.

Everyone has a right to their own body. I support guys who use their "front hole" and guys who think its disgusting. Everyone has their own convictions that are just as important to them as mine are to me. So to argue that someone should or should not have it is silly.

The only argument should be when guys make assumptions about phallos or metasor any surgery for that matter?

Yes I can come from sex
Yes My dick looks good (though I migh have the color tattood)
Yes I can have sex with no erecile pump
Yes it was expensive
No I did not lose sensation
No my cawk is not "ugly ass" (probably quite "pretty ass" if I do say so myself)

Quote from: chuck on September 09, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
Yes I can come from sex

You are the first person I've known of to be able to come with a phallo.  I've always wondered is it possible to do so with the phallo surgery.  Did your surgeon tell you that the possibility was there first or was it something you discovered on your own?

The only thing I think is that they could do better, I would like a phallo because I don't want a small dick especially being a black guy, The only thing with phallo is that Ive seen pictures and Ive seen more unrealistic ones than realistic ones, I mean when I first figured out I was trans here I was thinking I'd have a fully funtional dick, And If I told my friends that is was not the case they would look at me like Im crazy,  No offence the phallo is really not all that good, I would still feel like a fake, Who wants to loose sensation down their, Or not feel anything, Not get erect on its own why would I want a girl to squeeze my balls or werever the pumps located to get erect, I want to be able to get a boner and get turned on by myself by my gf/wife, I wanna be able to let my girl know that she's doing something to me, I mean what about the shading because everyones genitalia is somewhat darker than them that falls in the unrealistic catergory, No ejaculation can't even produce sperm, I want biological kids again they have a hella lot of work to do, These are things that are important to me, May not be to you but everyone is different, I want something hat looks acts and feels like a dick, And no I don't want the meta unless it can grow larger than what is said I have a problem with that no offence to people who have had the surgery, It's my oppion.   No offence to the transwomen but I think they spend way more time perfecting Mtfs surgery rather than trans men, Because they do not care

Quote from: Make_It_Good on September 09, 2013, 06:30:08 AM
I think again, this is important, to be reminded that everyone's preferences and needs are different.
   I feel like the topic has gone to abit of a sensitive area with people making comments that are abit more general while making statements about what they feel. Some people don't like phallo, that's fine, but some of us have gone through all the pain, time and hassle of the long process and are very happy with it. On the other hand, some others just don't feel it is for them/is feasible (even if they may want it) so we cant claim that its crazy or anything that someone wouldn't have the surgeries.

Just like Thatsme, for me, it was by far, the right choice. I always felt it was the only choice for me and I am very, very pleased, and extremely grateful to have had phalloplasty (in the UK is where it was done). The sensation is fine, and I didn't have to choose between having it all done vs being able to orgasm. I chose to not have the "little guy" moved or tampered with. There are options there for specifics like that.
    The aesthetics Im pleased with, Ive not had any complaints from partners, or weird looks.
No, it doesn't get erect naturally as there isn't a way to replicate erectile tissue, whether they will ever be able to fully recreate a biological penis, I don't know, I guess that has no bearing on me now, but science is always moving in some way.

P.s it is also possible to have sex without the erectile device.

I agree with this. Once you start making comments like "it's just me but", well they don't always come off so well. For instance, "It's just me, but I personally think you are an idiot". See how well that doesn't work, not... "Hung Jury" is a book which talks with a bunch of guys who have had both metas and phallos and what they think. It is also completely ok not to want either. But for those who have some opinions like "it's just...." (described unflatteringly), you obviously are not educated about it.

Perhaps a better way to find out info is asking for info from people who have had phallos. Ask info from people who have had metas. And perhaps ask people who do not want lower surgery. I totally had my mind changed-- not what I want to do, at Philly Trans Health, but more how I talk about this subject.

One thing totally NOT true: They haven't spent more time perfecting MTF surgery because someone cares more or less-- a they have been doing them a lot longer and b. it is easier to put it sort of crudely to make an outie into an innie than the other way. It's just a harder problem surgically.

The other thing, my age feels like a much more determining factor. Of course people who have surgery at many ages but just that this is a lot of surgeries to recover from. But I know people's dysphoria sometimes "moves" for lack of a better explanation, after top  surgery.



--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on September 09, 2013, 06:35:23 PM
I agree with this. Once you start making comments like "it's just me but", well they don't always come off so well. For instance, "It's just me, but I personally think you are an idiot". See how well that doesn't work, not... "Hung Jury" is a book which talks with a bunch of guys who have had both metas and phallos and what they think. It is also completely ok not to want either. But for those who have some opinions like "it's just...." (described unflatteringly), you obviously are not educated about it.

Perhaps a better way to find out info is asking for info from people who have had phallos. Ask info from people who have had metas. And perhaps ask people who do not want lower surgery. I totally had my mind changed-- not what I want to do, at Philly Trans Health, but more how I talk about this subject.

One thing totally NOT true: They haven't spent more time perfecting MTF surgery because someone cares more or less-- a they have been doing them a lot longer and b. it is easier to put it sort of crudely to make an outie into an innie than the other way. It's just a harder problem surgically.

The other thing, my age feels like a much more determining factor. Of course people who have surgery at many ages but just that this is a lot of surgeries to recover from. But I know people's dysphoria sometimes "moves" for lack of a better explanation, after top  surgery.



--Jay

I still think they could do better that's just me though

Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 06:38:46 PM
I still think they could do better that's just me though

Its just me, but I think there are more important issues in the world.

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 09, 2013, 07:22:57 PM
Its just me, but I think there are more important issues in the world.

Yea I know never said their wasn't, But hey could still perfect to make people more happier

Quote from: chuck on September 09, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
lulzy, then I guess guys with erectile dysfunctions do not have penises that "work like real penises".

Sorry, my bad. I generally put "real" into quotation marks or just use a more appropriate word, such as "typical" or "homegrown." And I did say "works a lot like" one as a qualifier because I'm well aware that not all homegrown penises behave as expected.

I expect that the vast majority of guys with homegrown penises likely had good function at some point in their lives, probably for decades, before they started experiencing difficulties. I never have and likely never will--especially given my age and how slowly the state of the art is advancing. Not to mention that most guys with erectile dysfunction appear to be pretty unhappy that their penises don't behave typically, and they feel a lot of shame an inadequacy about it, rather like we do. But many of those guys are able to get better function through medication, surgery, or psychotherapy. I don't expect that I ever will.

ETA: I should also point out that I was responding to someone else who was using that exact same language. Anyway, I fixed the post.

Was wondering if someone could answer a question I have about this...I know you can get tattooing done after phallo, and from photos I've seen it definitely looks better to me than not getting it. So I was curious if there's some downside to it I'm missing, or if people just don't bother?

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 03:19:27 PM
You are the first person I've known of to be able to come with a phallo.  I've always wondered is it possible to do so with the phallo surgery.  Did your surgeon tell you that the possibility was there first or was it something you discovered on your own?

I've yet to hear of a single person who isn't able to cum with phallo. The rumor that there is no sensation just simply isn't true.

Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 03:57:45 PM
The only thing I think is that they could do better, I would like a phallo because I don't want a small dick especially being a black guy, The only thing with phallo is that Ive seen pictures and Ive seen more unrealistic ones than realistic ones, I mean when I first figured out I was trans here I was thinking I'd have a fully funtional dick, And If I told my friends that is was not the case they would look at me like Im crazy,  No offence the phallo is really not all that good, I would still feel like a fake, Who wants to loose sensation down their, Or not feel anything, Not get erect on its own why would I want a girl to squeeze my balls or werever the pumps located to get erect, I want to be able to get a boner and get turned on by myself by my gf/wife, I wanna be able to let my girl know that she's doing something to me, I mean what about the shading because everyones genitalia is somewhat darker than them that falls in the unrealistic catergory, No ejaculation can't even produce sperm, I want biological kids again they have a hella lot of work to do, These are things that are important to me, May not be to you but everyone is different, I want something hat looks acts and feels like a dick, And no I don't want the meta unless it can grow larger than what is said I have a problem with that no offence to people who have had the surgery, It's my oppion.   No offence to the transwomen but I think they spend way more time perfecting Mtfs surgery rather than trans men, Because they do not care

The reason you see more unrealistic ones than realistic ones is because 1. a lot of posted surgery results are not the final product and 2. at least half of the ones you can find on a google search are from like 1990 or older because men who have had phallo don't want to show their results because of the way people talk about them.

Saying no offense doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is offensive. Just because phallo isn't what you want or need it to be doesn't mean its "not that good". It's a life saving surgery and it's good enough for the men that have it. Like I said in my last comment, you don't lose sensation. There have been guys who have even spoke of GAINING sensation. The coloring on phalloplasty varies by the person. In men of color in every result i've seen the penis was the right color. Mine looks like the proper tone for my genitals. For shading, there's medical tattooing.

Quote from: mangoslayer on September 09, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
I've yet to hear of a single person who isn't able to cum with phallo. The rumor that there is no sensation just simply isn't true.

I know there can be some good sensation in the phalloplasty, but in the last couple of years of researching guys who had a phalloplasty done, none of them never spoke of ejaculating.  Orgasm yes, but nothing about come.

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
I know there can be some good sensation in the phalloplasty, but in the last couple of years of researching guys who had a phalloplasty done, none of them never spoke of ejaculating.  Orgasm yes, but nothing about come.

Ahh i think there was some miscommunication there. I use the words cum and orgasm interchangably. I have heard of one guy ejaculating post phallo and several post meta.

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
I know there can be some good sensation in the phalloplasty, but in the last couple of years of researching guys who had a phalloplasty done, none of them never spoke of ejaculating.  Orgasm yes, but nothing about come.

Because you can't ejaculate even with a Phallo. I think you're getting confused by what "cum" means. When people say "Cum" they usually mean an orgasm not always actual ejaculating.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and hear-say going on in this thread about bottom surgery. The thing is, most pics online are like 2 or 3 weeks after the surgery and you know what? Top surgery usually looks crappy 2 or 3 weeks after surgery too and trans guys get that in droves without all the backlash. People need to give it a rest. If you don't know about it, DO RESEARCH and look at credible sources like people that have ACTUALLY had the surgery. No more hear-say internet BS from people that have never had it.

No matter the bottom surgery, it will never be a fully functioning cis male penis. Thats the sad, cold, reality. No trans man can get a woman pregnant just like trans women can't get pregnant. It's not easier in the surgery dept for MTF. They also can't do some things that cis women can do naturally. I'm not being mean or anything. It's the truth. I think when we transition, we need to be realistic about what our options are and what we can do to make ourselves happier. The truth is, transition isn't a fix all. It doesn't make all of our problems go away and in many cases for trans dudes, even post transition, have dysphoria. It's a reality. For anyone who is deciding to transition or wants to, be realistic about what you want and what you can have.

Quote from: mangoslayer on September 09, 2013, 09:28:43 PM
The reason you see more unrealistic ones than realistic ones is because 1. a lot of posted surgery results are not the final product and 2. at least half of the ones you can find on a google search are from like 1990 or older because men who have had phallo don't want to show their results because of the way people talk about them.

Saying no offense doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is offensive. Just because phallo isn't what you want or need it to be doesn't mean its "not that good". It's a life saving surgery and it's good enough for the men that have it. Like I said in my last comment, you don't lose sensation. There have been guys who have even spoke of GAINING sensation. The coloring on phalloplasty varies by the person. In men of color in every result i've seen the penis was the right color. Mine looks like the proper tone for my genitals. For shading, there's medical tattooing.

No I was not offensive, It was in oppion, Their still lacking in areas

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 09, 2013, 09:41:56 PM
Because you can't ejaculate even with a Phallo. I think you're getting confused by what "cum" means. When people say "Cum" they usually mean an orgasm not always actual ejaculating.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and hear-say going on in this thread about bottom surgery. The thing is, most pics online are like 2 or 3 weeks after the surgery and you know what? Top surgery usually looks crappy 2 or 3 weeks after surgery too and trans guys get that in droves without all the backlash. People need to give it a rest. If you don't know about it, DO RESEARCH and look at credible sources like people that have ACTUALLY had the surgery. No more hear-say internet BS from people that have never had it.

No matter the bottom surgery, it will never be a fully functioning cis male penis. Thats the sad, cold, reality. No trans man can get a woman pregnant just like trans women can't get pregnant. It's not easier in the surgery dept for MTF. They also can't do some things that cis women can do naturally. I'm not being mean or anything. It's the truth. I think when we transition, we need to be realistic about what our options are and what we can do to make ourselves happier. The truth is, transition isn't a fix all. It doesn't make all of our problems go away and in many cases for trans dudes, even post transition, have dysphoria. It's a reality. For anyone who is deciding to transition or wants to, be realistic about what you want and what you can have.

Yea that's messed up which is why I'm so dysphoric and you just made it worse, Thanks


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Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 09:47:58 PM
No I was not offensive, It was in oppion, Their still lacking in areas

Opinions can still be offensive. If I said you were ugly it would be offensive even though it's an opinion (I don't think you are ugly, i'm just using this as an example)

Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 09:50:22 PM
Yea that's messed up which is why I'm so dysphoric and you just made it worse, Thanks

Don't try and make this guy feel bad because you're dysphoric. It's not his fault.


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Quote from: mangoslayer on September 09, 2013, 09:56:39 PM
Opinions can still be offensive. If I said you were ugly it would be offensive even though it's an opinion (I don't think you are ugly, i'm just using this as an example)
Don't try and make this guy feel bad because you're dysphoric. It's not his fault.

Yea but because I'm not ugly I wouldn't find it offensive because I know I'm and I wasn't trying to make him feel past everything he said in that post is what I want to be able to do that's why it made me dysphoric, And how about you quit taking sides, If you read it you would get it

Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
Yea but because I'm not ugly I wouldn't find it offensive because I know I'm and I wasn't trying to make him feel past everything he said in that post is what I want to be able to do that's why it made me dysphoric, And how about you quit taking sides, If you read it you would get it

Okay then I guess that was a bad example but do you get what i'm saying about how an opinion can still be offensive?
you said "you just made it worse, thanks" that's blaming him and comes off as you trying to get him to feel bad. I'm not taking sides, i just think it's rude to blame someone for something that isn't their fault.

Quote from: mangoslayer on September 09, 2013, 10:09:37 PM
Okay then I guess that was a bad example but do you get what i'm saying about how an opinion can still be offensive?
you said "you just made it worse, thanks" that's blaming him and comes off as you trying to get him to feel bad. I'm not taking sides, i just think it's rude to blame someone for something that isn't their fault.

I was not blamming him, It probally sounded like that but it wasn't, Im dysphoric because th sugery options arent as good as well as not having support, Cisgendered peoe have even said that to me

Quote from: mangoslayer on September 09, 2013, 09:35:24 PM
Ahh i think there was some miscommunication there. I use the words cum and orgasm interchangably. I have heard of one guy ejaculating post phallo and several post meta.

Gotcha.  Yeah the ratio of ejaculation seems to be far more in metoidioplasties than the phallo.  Perhaps there's not enough force to shoot out the fluid in the longer urethra.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 09, 2013, 09:41:56 PM
I think you're getting confused by what "cum" means. When people say "Cum" they usually mean an orgasm not always actual ejaculating.

That's interesting.  I have never seen anyone mention the word "cum" without fluids being involved. When I hear the word "cum", it's usually referring to some sort of ejaculation, be it sterile or not.  Perhaps it's just the part of the world I live in.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 09, 2013, 09:41:56 PM
There seems to be a lot of misinformation and hear-say going on in this thread about bottom surgery. The thing is, most pics online are like 2 or 3 weeks after the surgery and you know what? Top surgery usually looks crappy 2 or 3 weeks after surgery too and trans guys get that in droves without all the backlash. People need to give it a rest. If you don't know about it, DO RESEARCH and look at credible sources like people that have ACTUALLY had the surgery. No more hear-say internet BS from people that have never had it.

I understand that any surgery looks bad until the swelling goes down, the incision heals, and so on, but where do we find photos of well-healed bottom surgery results? I've seen results that are shortly post-op, but I haven't managed to find any that are a taken after the healing is complete.

Any website suggestions would be appreciated, I don't even want to consider getting a surgery unless I know what to expect after it heals.

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 10:19:45 PM
That's interesting.  I have never seen anyone mention the word "cum" without fluids being involved. When I hear the word "cum", it's usually referring to some sort of ejaculation, be it sterile or not.  Perhaps it's just the part of the world I live in.

Same up here in New England Malachite. I've heard "come" as in orgasm, but "cum" is just always the ejaculation.

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Quote from: LearnedHand on September 09, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
I understand that any surgery looks bad until the swelling goes down, the incision heals, and so on, but where do we find photos of well-healed bottom surgery results? I've seen results that are shortly post-op, but I haven't managed to find any that are a taken after the healing is complete.

Any website suggestions would be appreciated, I don't even want to consider getting a surgery unless I know what to expect after it heals.

Same up here in New England Malachite. I've heard "come" as in orgasm, but "cum" is just always the ejaculation.

That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

As far as phallo results,  there are some good ones in some of the yahoo groups.  Dr. Crane has some pictures of his phallo work, though they aren't all the way healed they aren't too bad.  There's also transbucket and a clip of "My Transexual Summer" on Youtube that has a guy's completed phallo results.  I was also emailed some photos by a guy here of some phalloplasties, I could email you them if you're interested.

i'm just waiting for the day when they can replicate erectile tissue. maybe i'd get too tempted by the possibility.

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

"cum" is a variant spelling of "come". to come is to orgasm, with or without ejaculation, i think it's used the same for males and females. for some interesting reason, many people think that "cum" is a verb of its own, and spell the past tense "cummed" (it's actually "came"). it might eventually have to get its own dictionary entry if people continue doing that. "cum" is also used as a noun, meaning semen ejaculated at orgasm. the original spelling is still "come".
it's not that "come" sounds less vulgar, i think it's more like "cum" looks more sexual (better for porn). many languages use verbs equivalent to either "come" or "go" for orgasming.

Quote from: Malachite on September 09, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

As far as phallo results,  there are some good ones in some of the yahoo groups.  Dr. Crane has some pictures of his phallo work, though they aren't all the way healed they aren't too bad.  There's also transbucket and a clip of "My Transexual Summer" on Youtube that has a guy's completed phallo results.  I was also emailed some photos by a guy here of some phalloplasties, I could email you them if you're interested.

I think these are three sources of recent results for phallo. My Transsexual Summer knocks your socks off honestly it looks so good, but no explanations.

A LOT of cisguys don't necessarily have completely "normal" (this is a dryer setting and I don't use this term) use of their penises. For instance many older (and I don't mean old-- perhaps over 40) guys need the pumps or other ways to deal with not getting ejections. I don't know the percentage, but I have heard that it is actually quite high.

No ejaculation, but organism. I don't know re these terms as I have heard ciswomen use the term "cum" and "come" somewhat interchangeably. Probably a porn term that filtered down into regular use.

Anytime you need to start a sentence with the words "I don't mean to offend you but..." Let's just say it is not a good sign that the sentence is going to turn out ok. :) Or "It's just my opinion but..." same problem.

I also feel that people should read these threads with care. They are sort of bound to be triggering to some people. I don't mean they shouldn't be posted but just if this is about surgery, phallo, meta, even top surgery (though those threads often are so broad they are unlikely to trigger anyone) etc. people are going to find concepts and so on that trigger them.



--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on September 10, 2013, 12:07:03 PM
No ejaculation, but organism. I don't know re these terms as I have heard ciswomen use the term "cum" and "come" somewhat interchangeably. Probably a porn term that filtered down into regular use.

read my above post regarding this. i don't really believe porn came up with this meaning to the word "come", though i suspect it of changing the spelling to "cum".

Quote from: androidnick on September 09, 2013, 11:46:24 PM
I think my biggest worry with phalloplasty is the fact that it is multiple surgeries and stuff dealing with creating a urethra can get tricky. But if I knew I was under the care of someone who was truly good at what they are doing and it wasn't impossibly expensive I would definitely love it. In time though. Hopefully things change and insurance will cover more.

Definitely agree here.  It's not just the costs but the whole process does take some time and is, indeed, complex.  I'd like it but I'm not entirely optimistic about it ever actually happening because of these reasons.  And the arm scars are a little off putting to me personally. 

However, the fact that I do still want it despite that makes me fearful of how desperate I may become for it following top surgery, knowing how the dysphoria can just amplify there afterwards.

I don't want additional surgeries. I don't want the pain, I don't want the risks, and I don't want the recovery time. I don't want to lose time from work, and I don't want to pay out more money (I will have to, even if the procedures are covered by insurance). I don't want to go through an entire process that could take a couple of years to complete. I worry about the results, and I am afraid of complications.

But I don't see any other alternative. At the very least, I would get meta and then save phallo for later, but if I'm sure I'm going to have phallo, I might as well just do that from the beginning.

Sometimes I wish I could be happy with what I have, but that ship has sailed. I'm in favor of phallo for myself because it's just what I have to do--at some point.

Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

Quote from: CursedFireDean on September 12, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys.

I really hope so too.  I'm not going to hold my breath, but it's nice to dream, right?  I always say this, but at least one of the good things about being a broke, 21 year old is that hopefully by the time I'm able to afford bottom surgery, that there will be more advancements, even if they are small advancements.

Quote from: CursedFireDean on September 12, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

from what i understood, they use smooth muscle cells and the cells on the inside of blood vessels to create erectile tissue. i don't think it's as easy as just taking tissue from the clit, if they could do that, it shouldn't be as difficult as it really is. it was also interesting to read about how erection happens when smooth muscle cells are relaxed to give more space for blood. might be a reason for why stress can cause ed.

Quote from: CursedFireDean on September 12, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

I'm 19 and afraid i'll die first before they come out with something that complex.  :(

Quote from: Exus on September 13, 2013, 05:01:43 AM
I'm 19 and afraid i'll die first before they come out with something that complex.  :(

I would bet it happens in your lifetime, maybe even while you're still reasonably young. The singularity approaches. I'm expecting fully-functional-in-every-way sex changes to be as trivial as going to get a haircut before too long. And as options get better, I expect the percentage of people who identify as trans to go up.

Quote from: dalebert on September 13, 2013, 07:44:22 AM
And as options get better, I expect the percentage of people who identify as trans to go up.

This also works the other way - when there are more trans people, the options will get better because the market will be larger, and surgeons will have an incentive to expand and improve techniques and capabilities. The number of trans people seems to already be increasing exponentially as people are realizing they can transition.

Quote from: dalebert on September 13, 2013, 07:44:22 AM
The singularity approaches.

I used to think Kurzweil was crazy, but then he got hired by Google.

Quote from: spacerace on September 13, 2013, 01:24:41 PM
This also works the other way - when there are more trans people, the options will get better because the market will be larger, and surgeons will have an incentive to expand and improve techniques and capabilities. The number of trans people seems to already be increasing exponentially as people are realizing they can transition.

This so much ^

Even now, I'm starting to see improvements in bottom surgery than when I first started researching a little over two years ago (Dr. Cranes scrotum creation comes to mind).   It was one of my biggest fears that the surgeries would never improve because it didn't see like many guys were getting them done.  I also feel that with more exposure to ftm trans identities and guys coming out that the market for GRS will also expand.  That's one of the things that keeps me going.

I would only consider it if they could grow me a proper dick from stem cells and it wouldn't cost a fortune.

I'm a bit on the fence about it. I figure since I hate what I have down there enough as it is, phallo in any shape or form could only be an improvement, but I wanna see what T does to me first before I make any major plans.

I personally am just leaning toward a Meta and going as natural as possible.I was pro phallo but after all the research i have done and seeing what i have *and maybe i just seen the bad images* i think with alot of training down there,maybe even some enlargement,the meta is the best for me.This might change in the future as doctors get better at over all construction of the phallo *what i have seen are just huge lumps of skin*

I ain't gonna lie y'all, but I have my concerns with much of the surgery. I'm uncomfortable with the urethral lengthening. Since I want to still have a penis, but don't want to do urethral lengthening, I want to see about keeping my vagina (for sexual function as well) and getting a phallo just for the visual confirmation of my masulinity and sexual function.

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 09, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
I understand that any surgery looks bad until the swelling goes down, the incision heals, and so on, but where do we find photos of well-healed bottom surgery results?

There are yahoo groups for those seriously considering bottom surgery: ftmphalloplastyinfo and ftmmetoidioplasty.  Then there's a group for general surgery info: ftmsurgeryinfo.  And one for those who are torn between phallo and meta: thedecidingline.

Quote from: Gene on October 24, 2013, 06:59:06 PM
[...]I want to see about keeping my vagina (for sexual function as well) and getting a phallo just for the visual confirmation of my masulinity and sexual function.

Does anyone have any info on this? I've seen it several places that surgeons refuse to just do phallo and keep a vagina

My bottom dysphoria isn't frequent/severe enough for me to have surgery, especially such a complex one. Honestly, I don't know if I'll even have top surgery. Not because my chest dysphoria isn't bad, but because surgery terrifies me, even if it's minor. It wouldn't be worth putting my body through a presumably-painful and stressful process when I can cope OK with what's there.

It's an absolute no. The dysphoria down there isn't substantial, wouldn't be able handle such scars on my arms and the money needed for such an operation can be better used for something else.

If phalloplasty were significantly improved and didn't require transplanting a skin graft from my arm or leg, I would be more likely to take it into consideration. I haven't really thought that much about bottom surgery, to be honest, but I'm leaning more towards a meta if anything because it seems less invasive and recovery doesn't seem nearly as strenuous, nor does it take as many steps as phallo does. But again, probably something I won't even have for ten years, if not more, so it's not really something on my mind.

This is my answer at the moment (knowing that I may change my mind at any point down the road and that is okay!):

I am not considering any bottom surgeries other than a possible oopho.  For me, it is only the parts people see and read female that cause my dysphoria.  I will be getting top surgery at the end of this year, and I am on T.  Those are what I, personally, need for my transition to feel "complete."  I just want to walk through society (the public parts!) and be read as male.  Anyone who is close enough emotionally to see me without pants will be in the loop about the incongruities in my body, so I don't plan to change anything visible downstairs.

But just one year ago, I wasn't considering T... so, opinions and needs change!  If I wake up tomorrow and start considering bottom surgeries, that is okay!

I've seen very sexy, masculine *beautiful* phallo results. After the final stage & full healing they can certainly look darn good.
(I've also seen a couple "adult" clips of guys with phallos "in action." Now i'm not in their shoes but from my POV they certainly looked like they were having a good time.)

Myself, i'm somewhat in-between genders. Don't plan to lose the bra-fillers or the pussy. I would consider a phallo except for two reasons:
1 to my knowledge, it's difficult/improbable that genderqueer persons would "pass the test" required by the standards of care to receive access to lower surgery (gatekeeping against nonbinary folks, essentially)
2 big ol' scar somewhere on my body. I like my body contours .... and also am extensively tattooed. So which tattoo would i want removed from one part of my body, to then appear on another (new) part of my body? It's just a weird choice to consider. ("Would this flower, flame, or skull look good on my dick? Cause there aint a lot of un-inked real estate...!")

For me, anything would be better than the situation I have naturally. I have some good growth from years on T, so would likely go the metaoidioplasty route with urethral lengthening to preserve sensation. Cost is definitely a factor in my decision as well!

I've been on the fence about bottom surgery for a while now. I recently flew to America and the public bathroom situation at airlines drove me crazy. A few times, I would walk into a stall and just stand there, flush the toilet and walk out without peeing, because someone else would walk in after me and I'd get too anxious. Ever since then, bottom surgery has been a bigger deal, but it's a loooong process that I'd have to go overseas to get.

 If it was fully functioning and free penis sure. But that's not gonna happen in my life time I assume. So i'm down with having a vagina, its a pretty rad thing anyways  ;)

Quote from: King Malachite on May 30, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
At first I wanted the phalloplasty but now I am leaning more towards the meta only.

I have a lot of stretched veins on my body and it seems that I am getting more scars so that could be not aesthetically pleasing as the donor site.

Also sensation is very important to me.  Unless there are techniques now that can replicate spongey tissue from the donor site and will give me erogenous sensation instead of tactile sensation then I don't see myself getting the phalloplasty.  If the medical advances were there for that to happen then I would gladly get the phalloplasty and go through all of those stages and expensive procedures even with a scared and broken veined penis.  Otherwise to me personally chances are it won't be worth it.

My plan is to go for a metoidioplasty with the urethral lengthening/hook up with a scrotoplasty and vaginectomy.  Bonus points of they can give me an uncut look.  It may be on the small side but I'll pump and lose weight so it will look bigger.


I know that I need bottom surgery.  I got too much dysphoria downstairs to keep what I have. 

I'm still hoping for future medical advances though.

I have changed my mind since I posted this.  Now, I plan on having a phalloplasty in the future, if I can get my weight down.  I feel that I need something larger than a meta to feel *whole*.  I probably have at least 10 years before I would be able to have this procedure done, so hopefully there will be advancements for phalloplasties in the future, even if they are small ones.

None of the options were me haha. I want phallo with the front hole to still be there. Testicles are just so cool to me though and I really want them. Like I feel like after surgery I'll just be in shock that I have them! I'm getting more and more ok with part of my arm being grafted for it and I'm saving up now for the future even though I'm poor. I've got a donations bucket and all my spare money goes for transitioning.

I don't care much about size other than I want  it to be pretty normal tbh. Many other black guys may feel dysphoric about size, but I'm more dysphoric about it just not being there. Seeing guys with 6inches makes me feel so great for them and it looks so natural to me. It's weird because I'm bisexual and have always sort of toed the line of gender nonconformity anyway so it's going to be more for my own happiness and not a partner. There's another person on here who I felt immediately like I connected with who is gnc I believe and I felt that that's what I wanted. To be femme but get rid of the 1st and 2ndary features. I really want to masturbate with a neophallus and it's been a heavy thought on my mind that I want my dick to be that size.

  I wanted meta before and saw some great ones, but the longer I'm on T and see my body changing, the more I feel like I want phallo. I might to to Europe to do it honestly. I'm still confused about whether I should go for having balls or not because I know many surgeons will want to close the hole up if you want to get balls.  I was going to go for Marcy Bowers and ring meta because she is the most understanding doc, but her price is on the edge of phallo prices! Might as well get phallo! I do wonder if you can get everything done in one stage though but I'm not sure how to research that.

Quote from: King Malachite on February 02, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
I have changed my mind since I posted this.  Now, I plan on having a phalloplasty in the future, if I can get my weight down.  I feel that I need something larger than a meta to feel *whole*.  I probably have at least 10 years before I would be able to have this procedure done, so hopefully there will be advancements for phalloplasties in the future, even if they are small ones.

It's interesting you say this! I've gained muscle and lost weight, but I think I might need a mons reduction because it gives me dysphoria....Good luck on getting phallo. You can save up, get a meta and it will be less work for the future while relieving that dysphoria

I'm pretty happy with the current state of my genitals, more so than I was before transitioning (oddly enough). My dysphoria there has lessened, and now I really appreciate having that extra hole :icon_redface: haha. Sometimes I do have genital dysphoria, but it's not often. If I did ever get surgery, I would prefer a meta though.