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Ok, so I'm almost 5 months post op and I tried to take the new equipment for a test drive. However, it was a total buzzkill when he couldn't even get his whole head inside of me, never mind the rest of him. I also leaked quite a bit of discharge (lube from dilating I think) while this happened, will this stop eventually? I would like to be able to get wet naturally like gg's do at some point?

I'm not skipping dilations, and I can conquer the biggest size dilator no problem now, even without lube. So why would it be hard to do some 'organic dilation'?

Frustrating :(

Quote from: Icephoenyx on July 12, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Ok, so I'm almost 5 months post op and I tried to take the new equipment for a test drive. However, it was a total buzzkill when he couldn't even get his whole head inside of me, never mind the rest of him. I also leaked quite a bit of discharge (lube from dilating I think) while this happened, will this stop eventually? I would like to be able to get wet naturally like gg's do at some point?

I'm not skipping dilations, and I can conquer the biggest size dilator no problem now, even without lube. So why would it be hard to do some 'organic dilation'?

Frustrating :(

If you can accommodate the biggest size dilator, then it seems you should be able to accommodate a larger-than-average guy.

As you retain your prostate and Cowper's gland, you should be able to secret lubrication:

WHERE AND WHAT IS THE PROSTATE GLAND?

The initial segment of the urethra is surrounded by the prostate gland. The prostate is the largest of the accessory glands and puts its secretions directly into the urethra. These secretions are alkaline to buffer any residual urine, which tends to be acidic, and the acidity of the woman's vagina. The prostate needs a lot of zinc to function properly, and insufficient dietary zinc (as well as other causes) can lead to prostate enlargement, which potentially can constrict the urethra to the point of interferring with urination. Mild cases of prostate hypertrophy (enlargement) can often be treated by adding supplemental zinc to the man's diet, but severe cases require surgical removal of portions of the prostate. This surgery, if not done very carefully can lead to problems with urination or sexual performance.

WHERE AND WHAT IS THE COWPER'S GLAND?

The bulbourethral glands or Cowper's glands is the third of the accessory structures. These are a small pair of glands along the urethra below the prostate. Their fluid is secreted just before emission of the semen; therefore, it is thought that this fluid may serve as a lubricant for inserting the penis into the vagina, but because the volume of these secretions is very small, researchers are not completely sure of this function.

Obviously this is written with the natal male anatomy in mind, but you retain some residual functions, even after SRS.

Foreplay.

It that an offer?
I'm blushing.   :icon_redface:

No titillating allowed! 

The lube thing doesn't matter.  Is this a depth issue?  Or perhaps because your body knows it needs more time to heal it didn't cooperate with you (a possibility).

Honestly I didn't enjoy any of the sex I had for at least a year after SRS, possibly a bit longer than that.  In my experience really honestly healing from SRS takes at least a year.

Im a year post op this month and still cant fit my fiance inside me. Its just gonna take time, be patient!

Ok thank you ladies. I'm wondering more about the natural lubrication. Since it comes from the male glands, it's not the same as a gg's natural lubricant right? What are the differences? It's embarrassing that even though I'm post op I still technically create semen, to some extent.

The Bartholin's glands are the female homologue in natal women to the Cowper's glands in males.
They serve the same lubrication function.

It is thought that the Skene's gland in females is the homologue to the male prostate.

Quote from: Icephoenyx on July 15, 2012, 10:33:35 PM
It's embarrassing that even though I'm post op I still technically create semen, to some extent.

Um no... no you can't produce semen.

Quotese·men  (smn)
n.
A viscous whitish secretion of the male reproductive organs, containing spermatozoa and consisting of secretions of the testes, seminal vesicles, prostate, and bulbourethral glands. Also called seminal fluid.

No, you can't.  Unless there was a third testicle that the surgeon missed.

Well she can certainly squirt a substance that is very much like semen, lacking only the swimmers.  I wouldn't know what to call it......  Semen Light perhaps?

Randi

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on July 18, 2012, 05:19:45 AM

Um no... no you can't produce semen.
No, you can't.  Unless there was a third testicle that the surgeon missed.

The term y'all are looking for is "seminal fluid".  ;)

And since the Cowper's Gland is still present... it is physiologically possible.

Back to the OP.
You've got to know that you're ready.
Yes its been 5 months and you can get the biggest one in, but is your mind ready?

So often I read threads on here about girls who just have sex for sex' sake. They end up regretting it and it takes a long time to get over that.

Quote from: Randi on July 18, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
Well she can certainly squirt a substance that is very much like semen, lacking only the swimmers.  I wouldn't know what to call it......  Semen Light perhaps?

Randi

You could also say that she produces a substance that is very much like what other females produce.  This discussion feels agenda-ish to me which is why I chimed in.

Male sex organ parts tend to be analogous to female sex organ parts and glands like the prostrate tend to have their analogous sister glands in the female anatomy.  When HRT is introduced (especially after removal of the testes) those glands change and their form and function becomes that of the sister gland because at one point in our development as fetuses we essentially have all the same parts and what causes our different parts to develop differently are Hormones.

Saying that women who transition produce a substance that is very much like semen is like saying that women who transition will always have male chests.  Depending upon the age and health of the body the sex glands will change and the fluids they produce will change and become female.

Quote from: Deila on July 13, 2012, 11:16:59 PM
Im a year post op this month and still cant fit my fiance inside me. Its just gonna take time, be patient!

Your very impatient, Icephoenix sweetie, Deila is correct, it does take about a year, my reply in your last thread hasn't changed https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,120837.msg940997.html#msg940997 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,120837.msg940997.html#msg940997) there have been lots of threads on this subject, read my reply here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92216.msg673801.html#msg673801 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92216.msg673801.html#msg673801) your a perfect normal girl going thru a healing process, it takes time for a girl to heal,

Quote from: Cindy James on July 13, 2012, 04:01:43 AM
Foreplay.

Thank you Cindy, just 1word guys need to understand to get a woman in the mood.
When it happens Icephoenix, its awsome and great being a woman.
Pauline

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on July 21, 2012, 08:29:26 AM
You could also say that she produces a substance that is very much like what other females produce.  This discussion feels agenda-ish to me which is why I chimed in.

Male sex organ parts tend to be analogous to female sex organ parts and glands like the prostrate tend to have their analogous sister glands in the female anatomy.  When HRT is introduced (especially after removal of the testes) those glands change and their form and function becomes that of the sister gland because at one point in our development as fetuses we essentially have all the same parts and what causes our different parts to develop differently are Hormones.

Saying that women who transition produce a substance that is very much like semen is like saying that women who transition will always have male chests.  Depending upon the age and health of the body the sex glands will change and the fluids they produce will change and become female.

Thank you for that explanation, Noey.

My understanding is that the fluids involved in "lubrication" are chemically very similar, as one would expect.

For those who might be interested, here is a fun, non-scientific, discussion about sexual fluids:

http://www.gurl.com/2011/05/02/sexual-fluids-discharge-sexual-play-masturbation-pre-ejeculation-lubrication-sweat-facts/ (http://www.gurl.com/2011/05/02/sexual-fluids-discharge-sexual-play-masturbation-pre-ejeculation-lubrication-sweat-facts/)

Quote from: Icephoenyx on July 12, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Ok, so I'm almost 5 months post op and I tried to take the new equipment for a test drive. However, it was a total buzzkill when he couldn't even get his whole head inside of me, never mind the rest of him.

Could you give a few more details about why he couldn't enter?  Was it to painful for you, to tight, was he not hard enough?  My girl friend has this latter problem with her boyfriend.  If a man is not adequately hard, its really difficult for him to penetrate.

Quote from: Robertina on July 25, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Could you give a few more details about why he couldn't enter?  Was it to painful for you, to tight, was he not hard enough?  My girl friend has this latter problem with her boyfriend.  If a man is not adequately hard, its really difficult for him to penetrate.

Well we tried and he seemed hard enough, it just felt way to tight for him, and if he pushed in anymore I started to hurt.

5 months is probably too soon. I know it was for me. Sure you are able to put the dilator in, but you might not be ready for the real thing so you tighten up or something. At 5 months it was still very much a surgical site and I was scared of breaking something. It took about a year before I was able to enjoy it.

I didn't intend for it to happen so soon, but I had sex 3 months after surgery - it was a little painful, but actually not as bad as I imagined, certainly easier than dilating at that point, so the stage you are at is possible, but I would imagine that after a year or so it will actually be rather more pleasurable than uncomfortable!

It sounds like the problem's with your pelvic structure, unfortunately.

People with female-assigned skeletons have very wide pelvises that flare out. They're designed to accomodate a penis and to birth babies through. Trans women have male-assigned skeletons, unless they started hormones while their bones were still developing. A minority of people with male-assigned skeletons have pelvises so narrow that if they had a vagina, they wouldn't be capable of being penetrated, or it'd be very uncomfortable. It sounds like you're in that minority.

Then again, it's only been five months. Your vagina's still new. If you can't be penetrated by 1-2 years post-op, though, there might be a problem.

 
Interesting point?
There have been measurements of the 'pelvic opening' and quite to the contrary of the general perception, they differ VERY little between male and female. It rather is the width between the hip-bones that differs quite substantially (on average) which is to accommodate a growing foetus/baby.

The poor baby would be most uncomfortable inside the narrow confines of an MAAB pelvis. Though as it seems, the birth canal would be by far the lesser issue.
Just as well we cannot fall pregnant as MtFs, as much as it deeply hurts many of our feelings, pride in being female, and all that goes with it.
There are of course some very rational MtFs that consider it "just as well" not to be burdened with procreation...
I though this little correction might be adding some more perspective...

Axélle

Quote from: Stealthy on August 04, 2012, 09:19:38 PM
It sounds like the problem's with your pelvic structure, unfortunately.

People with female-assigned skeletons have very wide pelvises that flare out. They're designed to accomodate a penis and to birth babies through. Trans women have male-assigned skeletons, unless they started hormones while their bones were still developing. A minority of people with male-assigned skeletons have pelvises so narrow that if they had a vagina, they wouldn't be capable of being penetrated, or it'd be very uncomfortable. It sounds like you're in that minority.

Then again, it's only been five months. Your vagina's still new. If you can't be penetrated by 1-2 years post-op, though, there might be a problem.

would starting hormones young really create a pelvis shape identical to a genetic womans though? i dont see how thats possible , wouldnt it just be closer to a genetic womans not identical ?

Starting hormones before bone growth finishes feminizes the skeleton. Pelvic shape isn't going to be identical to that of an average cis woman no matter how early you start, but it'll be very close, and depending on genetics, might end up in the normal female-assigned range if you start pre-puberty.