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...and seeing "themselves?"


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...bodywise at least.

 I don't watch the Olympics, but it's nice that they can spread awareness that the female form does indeed have variation, and this can often make a female body look very masculine, or even male. And yet it isn't.


Always good stuff to know. Busting stereotypes and whatnot.

I love seeing these kinds of things, stereotypes are so </3 without them, life would be so much easier.

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Sax-say...

And who can forget?



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Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 08, 2012, 02:09:33 AM
...and seeing "themselves?"


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...bodywise at least.

Yep.....that be me!  tall thin build, broad shoulders, small boobs, blonde hair   ;)

but she wins races...I tire going up two flights off stairs, lol

Been watching quite a bit of the games this year actually.

sure do miss that "ribbon on a stick" competition though!!!

Isn't it great that one can have such an athletic build, without having to flex a single muscle.  :laugh:

Quote from: TessaM on August 08, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
Is painting your nails an olympic sport? Or how about watching reality tv?

I would have more medals than Phelps if that was the case, lol

I have never watched the Olympics.  It is interesting seeing the bodies of the Olympians and contemplating the disgust some males have expressed towards myself and women who transition.  Maybe it's all about the uterus?

I am surprised myself, I've found myself actually trying to find all the tall athletes. I am 6' 1.5" so I'm always looking for women who are as tall as I am and curious what they look like in terms of general body shape. I figure it is more likely to be a good place to look than either someone 5'4" or a 6' supermodel. The truth is I want to see them dressed normally and figure out the best source of clothes since I cannot imagine myself wearing what the beach volleyball players are in.  ;D

I apologize in advance from posting this rubbish but some days I cannot help myself!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185510/Newspaper-columnist-provokes-worldwide-outrage-saying-Olympic-Games-destroying-female-figure.html?ICO=most_read_module (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185510/Newspaper-columnist-provokes-worldwide-outrage-saying-Olympic-Games-destroying-female-figure.html?ICO=most_read_module)

'The Olympics has destroyed womanhood': Columnist provokes storm of criticism after attack on 'chestless, manlike' competitors. The piece - called Womanhood is dying at the Olympics' - was written by Yuksel Aytug
He said the Games was distorting women's bodies and that extra points should be given to female athletes based on how feminine they looked...

Spare me, please...but did this clown just now discover that many female athletes tend to be a bit on the butch side. Please for the sake of this writer's mental health, keep this Turk away from female bodybuilding competition.

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on August 08, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
I have never watched the Olympics.  It is interesting seeing the bodies of the Olympians and contemplating the disgust some males have expressed towards myself and women who transition.  Maybe it's all about the uterus?

That comes from the fragility of the male ego and fears that "there but for the grace of God, go I!"

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 09, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
I apologize in advance from posting this rubbish but some days I cannot help myself!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185510/Newspaper-columnist-provokes-worldwide-outrage-saying-Olympic-Games-destroying-female-figure.html?ICO=most_read_module (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185510/Newspaper-columnist-provokes-worldwide-outrage-saying-Olympic-Games-destroying-female-figure.html?ICO=most_read_module)

'The Olympics has destroyed womanhood': Columnist provokes storm of criticism after attack on 'chestless, manlike' competitors. The piece - called Womanhood is dying at the Olympics' - was written by Yuksel Aytug
He said the Games was distorting women's bodies and that extra points should be given to female athletes based on how feminine they looked...

Spare me, please...but did this clown just now discover that many female athletes tend to be a bit on the butch side. Please for the sake of this writer's mental health, keep this Turk away from female bodybuilding competition.

I think we have to admit the article you quote, which originated in Turkey, is clouded by cultural overtones.

This was the first summer Olympic Games in which every nation-team contained a woman, including Saudi Arabia.

From my own cultural perspective, athletic, muscular, healthy women are not "un-feminine."  Nor am I offended by seeing legs or torsos.  "Femininity" is very much a construct.

Jamie, the article originated in the British tabloid press and is clouded more by British tabloid journalism than it is by "cultural overtones" although EVERYTHING is clouded by cultural overtones. To wit: remember the discussion on the T-word? Yanks were adamant that the word was a slur, Brits and Aussies, not so much.

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 09, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Jamie, the article originated in the British tabloid press and is clouded more by British tabloid journalism than it is by "cultural overtones" although EVERYTHING is clouded by cultural overtones. To wit: remember the discussion on the T-word? Yanks were adamant that the word was a slur, Brits and Aussies, not so much.

"A Turkish newspaper columnist has been heavily criticised after writing an article which said the Olympic Games is destroying the female figure.

The piece - called 'Womanhood is dying at the Olympics' - was written by Yuksel Aytug and was published in the daily newspaper Sabah and on the paper's website."

I was referring back to the origin of the controversy - the original column in Sabah.

When dealing with societal and cultural norms from outside our own, we need to be careful of ethnocentrism.

Quote from: Jamie D on August 09, 2012, 06:17:47 PM
"A Turkish newspaper columnist has been heavily criticised after writing an article which said the Olympic Games is destroying the female figure.

The piece - called 'Womanhood is dying at the Olympics' - was written by Yuksel Aytug and was published in the daily newspaper Sabah and on the paper's website."

I was referring back to the origin of the controversy - the original column in Sabah.

When dealing with societal and cultural norms from outside our own, we need to be careful of ethnocentrism.

But I wasn't, I was primarily referring to the hysterical tabloid reaction to it.  And, for the purposes of being acerbic, I will be as ethnocentric as I damn please, thank you.   

If anything, your admonition should be directed to the author of the hysterical tabloid piece who actually gets PAID for writing this rubbish!

My "admonition" was simply a truism.

You criticized the Turkish author ("this clown").

Quote from: Jamie D on August 09, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
My "admonition" was simply a truism.

You criticized the Turkish author ("this clown").

Zarathustra himself, however, stunned and strange, rose from his
seat, looked around him, stood there astonished, inquired of his
heart, bethought himself, and remained alone. "What did I hear?"
said he at last, slowly, "what happened unto me just now?"
  But soon there came to him his recollection, and he took in at a
glance all that had taken place between yesterday and to-day. "Here is
indeed the stone," said he, and stroked his beard, "on it sat I
yester-morn; and here came the soothsayer unto me, and here heard I
first the cry which I heard just now, the great cry of distress.
  O ye higher men, your distress was it that the old soothsayer
foretold to me yester-morn,-
  -Unto your distress did he want to seduce and tempt me: 'O
Zarathustra,' said he to me, 'I come to seduce thee to thy last sin.'
  To my last sin?" cried Zarathustra, and laughed angrily at his own
words: "what hath been reserved for me as my last sin?"
  -And once more Zarathustra became absorbed in himself, and sat
down again on the big stone and meditated. Suddenly he sprang up,-
  "Fellow-suffering! Fellow-suffering with the higher men!" he cried
out, and his countenance changed into brass. "Well! That- hath had its
time!
  My suffering and my fellow-suffering- what matter about them! Do I
then strive after happiness? I strive after my work!
  Well! The lion hath come, my children are nigh, Zarathustra hath
grown ripe, mine hour hath come:-
  This is my morning, my day beginneth: arise now, arise, thou great
noontide!"- -

Thus spake Zarathustra and left his cave, glowing and strong, like a
morning sun coming out of gloomy mountains.

THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA
by Friedrich Nietzsche
  translated by Thomas Common (public domain)

Jenna Marbles did a funny video on "this clown" and how sports bras work.

Some Idiot/How Sports Bras Work (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag4C0MFRnmE&feature=g-u-u#)

So...do I watch the Olympics? Not with any sincerity. I watched Nadia in the '76 Olympics get a butt-load of gold...but ever since usually didn't even know they were on.

The Winter Olympics I did, mainly because the ex loved to watch Pairs Skating.

Basically I see the Olympics (and the many "stupid" games that are allowed) as just another way to gain money from pretty stupid people. Not only that, but the Olympics are supposed to be "amateur only"...but the amount of training the athletes put in is probably superior to what the pros get. The major difference seems to be in the lack of experience some of the athletes have. (They're so young.)

Sorry I didn't see somehow that some already posted Jenna's rant on idiots and sports bras.
Hilarious though.

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 09, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
Zarathustra himself, however, stunned and strange, rose from his
seat, looked around him, stood there astonished, inquired of his
heart, bethought himself, and remained alone. "What did I hear?"
said he at last, slowly, "what happened unto me just now?"
  But soon there came to him his recollection, and he took in at a
glance all that had taken place between yesterday and to-day. "Here is
indeed the stone," said he, and stroked his beard, "on it sat I
yester-morn; and here came the soothsayer unto me, and here heard I
first the cry which I heard just now, the great cry of distress.
  O ye higher men, your distress was it that the old soothsayer
foretold to me yester-morn,-
  -Unto your distress did he want to seduce and tempt me: 'O
Zarathustra,' said he to me, 'I come to seduce thee to thy last sin.'
  To my last sin?" cried Zarathustra, and laughed angrily at his own
words: "what hath been reserved for me as my last sin?"
  -And once more Zarathustra became absorbed in himself, and sat
down again on the big stone and meditated. Suddenly he sprang up,-
  "Fellow-suffering! Fellow-suffering with the higher men!" he cried
out, and his countenance changed into brass. "Well! That- hath had its
time!
  My suffering and my fellow-suffering- what matter about them! Do I
then strive after happiness? I strive after my work!
  Well! The lion hath come, my children are nigh, Zarathustra hath
grown ripe, mine hour hath come:-
  This is my morning, my day beginneth: arise now, arise, thou great
noontide!"- -

Thus spake Zarathustra and left his cave, glowing and strong, like a
morning sun coming out of gloomy mountains.

THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA
by Friedrich Nietzsche
  translated by Thomas Common (public domain)

I never saw a purple cow.
I never hope to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one.

- Gelette Burgess, c. 1895

I do not have a TV at home, but I just wached a few football games through the internet.

A female lifting athlete is famous here in my country, although she failed to get a medal this time. She also appears in several TV advertisements, and people seem to like her. The image of her is an unyielding and hard-working woman to sustain her family. That image was typical to mothers when I was child.

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Of course, the most popular female athlete here is Kim Yu-na for winter olympics.

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Barbie~~

Sorry, I missed this thread. I was watching the Olympics...

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Kudos USA Women Hoopsters!

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I'm a fan of rhythmic gymnastics, they are so gracefull.