Susan's Place Transgender Resources

I looked for one on line but couldn't find one so here's my offering.



(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7794G0lHSEE/UDY2ohbvF6I/AAAAAAAAAEU/Fex0LkfmgiU/w497-h373/Androgyne+flag.jpg)

Its the transgender flag with the added pink and blue bars that represent that androgens can move from masculine to feminin. Yin, Yang, Yaun represent masculine, feminin and androgyne working in harmony.

I like it.

The closest I'd ever found to an androgyne pride flag was a gendqueer pride flag.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_la5sf7mngs1qe14wlo1_500.png&hash=c12827c64ae8ff767de22981a9b07a05f8a699e6)

With all of the terms and definitions being as fuzzy and overlapping in most cases, non-binary would be a more appropriate flag that is just one color, solidifying the nature of being other than binary. Or, as it seems to be, many flags, called many things, that have overlapping colors, for many groups that are overlapping. Would some of you also consider androgynous, the fashion presentation of Androgyn, also? Should the sexuality of individuals also be represented, as a recent discussion seems to imply the different ways a persons sexuality is defined is an important component of the nature of being non-binary? There is and probably always will be, this fuzzy definition of terms and the definitions themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Non-binary being more of a journey with ones self than a change of presentation to adjust ones appearance to ones gender, as binary Trans* people do.

I would envision a flag, if I thought I needed one, as being one with many colors splashed, sprayed, dripped, or wildly brushed on while blindfolded. These would of course all be different color and designs, for each individual, as we are all different in our life's journey when it concerns the nature of our genders.

I think that would be a fair representation of the diversity that is a major part of our nature as non-binary Trans*.

Ativan

Howard Hodgkins should paint it.

Yes, he could make his own flag, if he wanted one.
Personally, I would want to make my own, one that represents me, not Howard, even though I do admire his work.

The point of it would be that no two flags are alike, yet all being as abstract as our individual natures, are.

*sipping my morning coffee, contemplating life, as usual*
Ativan

I just figured I'd rather it was more like his paintings and less like a Jackson Pollock. Rich colours are essential, and chaos doesn't preclude harmony.

Or something.

Incidentally one thing that has always struck me about the rainbow flag is that it has discrete lines of colour, whereas the spectrum is a continuum. I know, it'd harder to make that way, but worth it!

While fooling around with MS Paint a while back, I took the Trans* pride symbol, applied the genderqueer colors, and added arrowheads to indicate fluidity.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1088.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi329%2Fcam94080%2FArtwork%2Ftg-gq-gf_W112xH115.png&hash=042cb04c38d8c17a56d9f97d97dbf8947fe4f456)

Although, I guess it could be said that the image implies more of a cycle rather than fluidity.

I demand the right to go counter-clockwise!! *mock rage voice* ;)

Quote from: Padma on August 23, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
I just figured I'd rather it was more like his paintings and less like a Jackson Pollock. Rich colours are essential, and chaos doesn't preclude harmony.

Or something.

Incidentally one thing that has always struck me about the rainbow flag is that it has discrete lines of colour, whereas the spectrum is a continuum. I know, it'd harder to make that way, but worth it!

Out of apparent chaos, one finds harmony in things. Such is the nature of the journey, I would think.

I love Pollocks work, especially knowing of the anguish of the man. Out of searching, he found harmony in his chaos.

I feel the same way about the rainbow flag. But then, I never did see the distinct lines that others seem to have a need for.
I never understood the nature of the 'box', and the reasoning to think outside of it, since there isn't any distinct sides to such things.
I attempt to, as it makes conversation easier at times.
I suppose that makes it easier for the rainbow flag to be distinct in its stripes.
Why does everyone make their flags square or rectangular?
A balloon flag that has colors swirling like a soap bubble would seem more appropriate, but that's just me.
Who said the box was square or had flat sides, so to speak?
I'd rather think about all the boxes from somewhere other than in a box.
The concept of the need for a flag escapes me.  ??? :-\
But I can see the reasoning behind it, as so many others represent themselves with such a thing.
How about a plain Mylar balloon that reflects everything instead?
You could still carry it around on the end of a stick, but a randomly crooked one.

Counter clockwise or clockwise depends on which side you stand on.
Just move to the other side.  :laugh:

*still drinking my coffee*
Ativan

How about a bladder on a stick - with which to belabour binary-fascists, much in the manner of a harlequined fool?

I don't want a flag either, unless it's shaped like a Klein bottle, or an endless Escher staircase explosion - flags tend to reinforce the "we're united = we should all be the same" tendency in some people.

Quote from: Padma on August 23, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
How about a bladder on a stick - with which to belabour binary-fascists, much in the manner of a harlequined fool?

I don't want a flag either, unless it's shaped like a Klein bottle, or an endless Escher staircase explosion - flags tend to reinforce the "we're united = we should all be the same" tendency in some people.

LMFAO! The idea of an endless Escher staircase explosion shall keep my otherwise wandering mind, thinking for the rest of the day!

Gone shopping,
Ativan

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on August 23, 2012, 10:49:33 AM

I would envision a flag, if I thought I needed one, as being one with many colors splashed, sprayed, dripped, or wildly brushed on while blindfolded. These would of course all be different color and designs, for each individual, as we are all different in our life's journey when it concerns the nature of our genders.


Ativan

Bring it on... Just do it... :)

Quote from: Connie Anne on August 23, 2012, 11:17:48 AM
While fooling around with MS Paint a while back, I took the Trans* pride symbol, applied the genderqueer colors, and added arrowheads to indicate fluidity.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1088.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi329%2Fcam94080%2FArtwork%2Ftg-gq-gf_W112xH115.png&hash=042cb04c38d8c17a56d9f97d97dbf8947fe4f456)

Although, I guess it could be said that the image implies more of a cycle rather than fluidity.

I saw one of these on a tee shirt but the andro icon was a question mark.

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on August 23, 2012, 11:44:59 AM
The concept of the need for a flag escapes me.   
But I can see the reasoning behind it, as so many others represent themselves with such a thing.

So can plegde our aligence  and fight epic battles over. :police:


That's just what they call them. I guess they were made as a flag for an event somewhere sometime.
I like the idea of a personal flag, crest, code o arms. You really have to think about "what/who you are" and put it into a single picture.
Actually, i was thinking of making it a button or pendant rather then a flag.

We could evolve a fine tradition of trans heraldry :).

Quote from: Padma on August 23, 2012, 12:35:09 PM
We could evolve a fine tradition of trans heraldry :).

You mean like this:

http://photobucket.com/cam94080art (http://photobucket.com/cam94080art)

Although it would be hard to put on a stick and wave around, I think this would be an excellent version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Gate)

or this...   http://icicp.blogspot.com/2010/04/healing-earth-with-service.html (http://icicp.blogspot.com/2010/04/healing-earth-with-service.html)

or http://www.lsa.umich.edu/psych/diversity/images/diversity2.gif (http://www.lsa.umich.edu/psych/diversity/images/diversity2.gif)

But my sense of reality tells me that each persons version of abstract would still be more accurate.
Or the explosion of endless Escher stairs in all directions would work, too.  :laugh:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Zrhyrmq0wr4/TNfd2zE4sII/AAAAAAAAAvs/nM22JUc8Ws4/s1600/escher-stairs-g.gif (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Zrhyrmq0wr4/TNfd2zE4sII/AAAAAAAAAvs/nM22JUc8Ws4/s1600/escher-stairs-g.gif)

*Bought a sh~tload of tubes of oil paint at a garage sale today*
Ativan

I hav the Genderqueer Pride flag on my car, and a genderqueer pride friendship bracelet, though I prefer to call myself nonbinary instead.

Nonbinary.org also uses it on its website and Facebook.

The lavender is supposed to represent androgyne (pink + blue), white agender, green other genders that don't include male or female (the opposite hue of lavender).

I like it.  Like my profile says,, all three of those seem to apply to me in varying situations/times.

Heh, I spent 3 years of my life dressed entirely in lavender (by choice, I might add - if I was in a cult, it was a cult of one). This explains a lot... 'cause I never could stand pink :).

I like this one. Wish i could get a pendant.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frlv.zcache.com%2Fisapi%2Fdesignall.dll%3Frlvnet%3D1%26amp%3Brealview%3D113806545690729643%26amp%3Bdesign%3Ddef8ebd2-5e30-42c6-bc42-6a2057c64ff6%26amp%3Bstyle%3Dladies_fitted_babydoll%26amp%3Bsize%3D%26amp%3Bcolor%3Dlime%26amp%3Bpending%3Dfalse%26amp%3Bpdt%3Dzazzle_shirt%26amp%3Bmax_dim%3D512&hash=ff31e9caf5b0fc7cdb98d3e37d9eb3080aa1169b)

That's really nice.

Quote from: joann on August 24, 2012, 06:03:32 AM
I like this one. Wish i could get a pendant.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frlv.zcache.com%2Fisapi%2Fdesignall.dll%3Frlvnet%3D1%26amp%3Brealview%3D113806545690729643%26amp%3Bdesign%3Ddef8ebd2-5e30-42c6-bc42-6a2057c64ff6%26amp%3Bstyle%3Dladies_fitted_babydoll%26amp%3Bsize%3D%26amp%3Bcolor%3Dlime%26amp%3Bpending%3Dfalse%26amp%3Bpdt%3Dzazzle_shirt%26amp%3Bmax_dim%3D512&hash=ff31e9caf5b0fc7cdb98d3e37d9eb3080aa1169b)

My genderqueer offspring would love this shirt, I think.