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O.K. so I now have a problem that I need some advice about.  My breasts were already fairly large and after HRT they've gotten bigger.  I present as male and expect to do so for quite a bit longer by wearing large shirts.  But lately I have to be very careful and even wear some shirts unbuttoned times.  I thought that being overweight would hide them better but it's not helping.  Although a sports bra is a great way to hide without binding, it presents a problem since all my more normal relatives hug when greeting and they do show through at times. 

The incidents are:
First: While shopping a young couple in the same isle was staring at my chest.  I casually pretended to look down at canned goods and noticed my nipples were hard and poking a bit.  I finished shopping and while walking into the wind to my car, the same couple drove past and stared agian because my breasts were kind of flopping a little.
Second: At a local casino yesterday I had won at a slot machine and an older woman two machines down started talking to me.  Things were o.k. until I noticed her glancing at my chest every now and then.  I just moved to another machine.
Third: Today at a county fair it rained and I got wet.  While walking past the midway a barker said something to a couple other guys next to him and they turned around to look at me also.  It was a warm rain and the shirt was deffinately showing more that I had originally thought it would. 

So, I can't wear a bra unless I'm sure I'll be away from relatives, and a compression vest is terribly uncomfortable because of my weight.  Has anyone tried a smaller tee shirt or something similar? 
This isn't a big problem around my yard because I just wear real big tees.  It's just when I go out.

By the way. My sister-in-law surprised and embarased me the other day when she said "You look so much like your mother, but with a beard".  I can't have changed that much.

Well gotta get out of this parking lot and go home. (McDonalds)

Love, Kathy

Yes, they are not only hard to hide, but darn near impossible!

You are not alone.  I am begining to run on the treadmill in my cardio rehab sessions, and I am "bouncing" around a bit, and it hurts.

I am too much of a coward to wear a sports bra to rehab, while presenting as a male.  I note however, that most of the older genetic men there have moobs to one degree or another.

I have gotten used to it, I have really long hard Pokie nips and people stare at them all the time, I never gave it much thought back when I was hiding in boy mode for years on end, but now when I'm more "3D" and girly I don't mind at all actually, no stranger has ever mentioned them to me but if they did I would just act like I never noticed, lol

Some girls I know are a bit envious and that makes me very happy  that "I" have something they want   :)

 I am lucky(?) enough to only need to use a sports bra when I want mine hidden. It works fairly well.

I wear  sportsbra and I hide nothing :laugh: I did get a sideways backward sort of compliment today. I either wear a skirt and top or leggings and tops to work. Today  wore a skirt and top. Two of the girls in my lab said, I prefer you in a skirt, your legs are too thin for leggings and we get jealous.

I did post before that I got long stares at the gym from one of the trainers who seemed fixated on watching my boobs bounce, so I let the air from the fan blow down my Tee to cool off, he was even more fixated, if that is possible :laugh:

I think a rule of boob should be, if they bounce and the nipples are prominent it is time to come out to the world. 'cos they ain't going to get smaller >:-)

yes sports bra's help greatly but a little further down the road, transition seems to out you no the other way around and often choices need to be made if oyu are still pondering come out

and welcome to Womanhood btw :)

Quote from: kathy b on August 24, 2012, 12:54:07 AM
O.K. so I now have a problem that I need some advice about.  My breasts were already fairly large and after HRT they've gotten bigger.  I present as male and expect to do so for quite a bit longer by wearing large shirts. 

In the United Kingdom we have to prove we are living full time as female in order to get prescription HRT. If we are living as a male HRT is not usually prescribed especially if there is no commitment to present as female. I had to live as female for two years before I got prescription HRT.

Over in America you seem to be able to take whatever drugs you like including HRT no matter if you are full time or not without any medical supervision. I think you need to decide if you want to transition or not but while you live on the fence and remain presenting as male you should probably not be taking HRT if the commitment isn't there.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AM
I had to live as female for two years before I got prescription HRT.

Ouch.

I feel as though the UK system has a bit of hazing involved as it could be very very hard for some to have any quality of life presenting as female pre HRT.  (Paint a bullseye on someones back, please make it hard for them!)

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I think you need to decide if you want to transition or not but while you live on the fence and remain presenting as male you should probably not be taking HRT if the commitment isn't there.

I think what Kathy is implying is that she isn't quite ready for full time yet and wants to minimise the curious looks for now.  There are often good reasons to get the groundwork done in the background while presenting as male before taking the plunge so to speak.

HRT effects vary wildly - low dose changes can be quite minimal, and many on the androgyne section find that that is sufficient to keep the ghosts at bay.

Oops, forgot to get back on topic:
If the ladies are that big, then your options are going to be pretty limited.  About the only option you have is to lose a decent amount of weight, and then hopefully the compression clothing can work and be more comfortable.

Sometime it is very hard to hide them.  If you are over weight and see them looking just smile and say "Moobs."

have you tried wearing tank tops that are a size or two too small.  Works pretty well unless you are huge.

good luck
Tanya

Sweetie unless you are at least a C cup, I cannot see the problem - at all.

Also I assume no BA is involved which makes it even easier because all is a lot softer...

So, I don't really know what are you're trying to tell us, not really.

Axélle

Im a 36D and i had the same issue after my BA. even with really large shirts hidding them can he hard. you can try humping over some. or coats?

Being overweight would also give reason to why you have "gynecomastia" ... so hiding it is less of an issue. In fact I would think you'd draw more attention to yourself if you tried to hide it.

I wear a seamless medium impact sports bra when in boy mode. It's pretty much invisible and if it does show, it looks like a tank top.

I pretty much gave up on trying to hide the girls quite awhile ago  :)

I am a good full A to a B cup. By using a shaper cami I do fine in guy mode with loose cotton shirts. I tend to avoid tee shirts in sweat or wet situations for the obvious reasons you note. The cami is a bit like a compression Tee but the cups make it a lot more comfortable.

I think no matter what you try, hugging will be a problem. Unless it is with your very large busted aunt  :o  With close physsical contact, I can't see anything short of binding, and even that, working

What would you consider as the limit size that can be hidden?

I'm a believer in Spanx for Men:
http://spanx.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=11530462&view=all (http://spanx.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=11530462&view=all)

Then again, I haven't heard of anyone else using them while in boy mode.

Be proud and let em all hang out! I wish mine were bigger and I have the opposite problem of being insecure because my breasts are too small.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AM

Over in America you seem to be able to take whatever drugs you like including HRT no matter if you are full time or not without any medical supervision. I think you need to decide if you want to transition or not but while you live on the fence and remain presenting as male you should probably not be taking HRT if the commitment isn't there.

Some people like myself have started out with the intention of going full-time and for one reason or another have a change of heart as to how they want to present. It pisses some post-op trans-women that I decided to present androgynously, but they don't have that right because they don't live in my skin. I spend most of my days in skinny jeans, T-shirts and a baseball cap. I have a trim and fit body and wear soft cup casual racerback bras preferably because I have boobs. I get clocked a lot as a tomboy, been called a butch lesbian and a fem-boy. It's a matter of personal choice. I transitioned to about 90% complete and stopped because I'm happy right here.

I really love these Jockey T-Shirts.   They are very stretchy, and I wear a large even though an XL would be a proper fit.

http://www.jockey.com/products/Jockey-Seamfree-Crew (http://www.jockey.com/products/Jockey-Seamfree-Crew)

I wear them to work out at the gym, and underneath other clothes.  They are a bit pricey, but I happened to catch a 70% off sale and bought a bunch.

I still get some stares, but since I'm going to have the girls for the rest of my life I figure I'd best get used to that.

You can be assured that natal females get plenty of looks. 

Having noticeable breasts helps quiet my dysphoria.   I no longer look at women with so much envy since I have more boobage than many of them.

Randi

Quote from: kathy b on August 24, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
I'm going to try and present male as long as practicle, so there has to be some article of clothing that will help.  Gonna go to Walmart and look for the longest and most strechy top I can find to pull the girls in. 

I use shapewear tanks. My fav's are from Barely There (style 4290) and Bali (style 8623). I have others too. I am a very full A going on B cup with a 38 band at this point. Alone they are very nearly invisible under even a snug t-shirt (so long as it is darker in color, and having a pattern or screen print on the front does even more to hide the girls.) If you wear a compression type sports bra under it, the girls are even more hidden. I have worn both the Bali and Barely There shapewear tanks under sun protective swim shirts and not gotten any untoward looks. It's usually the horizontal line of the band that gives wearing a bra away, so either avoid it or cover it up with shapewear. The shoulder straps of tanktops look plausibly like men's undershirts (sometimes called 'wifebeaters.') I google specific styles and brands and can usually find them 30 to 50% off list price.

The one or two times someone asked what I was wearing under my shirt, I just shrugged and said "it's like an undershirt." Once I even pulled the hem of my shirt up to show the black fabric of a Bali shapewear tank to prove it came all the way down. People will see what they expect to see and think they were mistaken about anything else, including feeling straps from a sports bra.

This is a good thing and has happened to me as well even though I am not over weight.

Even in boy mode I have a tendency(as long as I dont open my mouth) to get mam'ed.  It actually makes me feel good when someone says that subconciously.

Those that I know and deal with all the time don't notice because they saw the gradual changes and not one huge one.  As long as you dont make a big deal about it most people will not care to notice.


Of course I do feel self concious as well, not because they exist but because it feels kinda awkward to know someone might notice.

I wear a bullet proof vest so hiding them ain't so bad but I do wear a danskin tank under everything.

Kathy b,

I know exactly how you feel. I too, am a 44 B, but I do not try to hide it. I just go braless in man mode and don't worry about it.

I enjoy the feeling of having some boobage and that makes up for any inconvenience.

I recently had to resort to getting some tight wifebeaters to hide whats going on. Dark/patterned shirts are now must haves and several thin cotton shirts I used to wear have hit the goodwill pile.

I knew I was in trouble the day a guy leered at my chest for an entire, very uncomfortable (to me) elevator ride.

The summer stuff is on sale here in the west, and there are some good deals so I got one more sport tank.  There's a lot of stuff going on in life right now, so I'm holding off on getting anything else new for another week or two.

Kathy

Interesting topic...

Being real thin and muscular I used to wear tight t-shirts to work.

In the beginning, I could wear a spaghetti-strap wireless bra and get away with a loose dark shirt to hide my nips. Now that my girls have bloomed I now have to wear a cami or a tight fitting ribbed tank under my baggy work shirts now to keep from being "exposed". Actually I found the ribbed tank top to work best because it flattens out and lets the boob sag a bit and it doesn't have cups to hold or shape the boobs which actually accentuates them.

Most trans men are motivated with hiding their chest like most trans women are with tucking their package, I think, which is why they/we are willing to go all day no matter how stuffy or uncomfortable they/we are, and probably rationalize that someday the parts will be gone so putting up with the pain is mentally bearable. With trans women, we want our boobs and they aren't going away, so we typically won't tolerate the discomfort or pain of compressing them for long term.

For myself, work is the last place to come out, and it's a touchy subject with the job market we have; don't want to be jobless and trans. I figure that it's time to start drafting a coming-out letter or plans when the girls get to be real hard to hide :)

And if it's the nips that are mostly giving you away try tape, something gentle like painters tape, yeah on sweaty days you may have to reapply it but I have tried it a few times and it works with a tank top.

one more thing... :) My ex-wife advised me to wear a form wire-bra as often as possible, even to bed, as it will help shape the fatty deposits as your boobs grow; I've noticed that mine have shaped nicely doing this. Can't say or prove that flattening and compressing new boobies is or is not a good thing- just something to think about ;)

This what I have had to deal with for many many years, growing up as a boy having really long nips and a tall skinny body was quite awkward at best, but now I really like it!

even in boy mode for work while wearing tighter tank tops I notice some "looks" but hey...its all me and all natural so thats just the way its gonna be ;)

these darn things are 1" long when hard :)  (which is always)


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Quote from: Michelle G on September 08, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
This what I have had to deal with for many many years, growing up as a boy having really long nips and a tall skinny body was quite awkward at best, but now I really like it!

even in boy mode for work while wearing tighter tank tops I notice some "looks" but hey...its all me and all natural so thats just the way its gonna be ;)

these darn things are 1" long when hard :)  (which is always)


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Hottie!

I'm in the same boat. As much as I hate to admit, when I have to "present" myself in M mode, I need to bind. I have been wearing baggy button up shirts more often, I don't bind when wearing them. I also droop my shoulders more when I walk. I know binding is bad but sometimes I have no choice.  :-\

Quote from: Christine Eryn on September 08, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
I'm in the same boat. As much as I hate to admit, when I have to "present" myself in M mode, I need to bind. I have been wearing baggy button up shirts more often, I don't bind when wearing them. I also droop my shoulders more when I walk. I know binding is bad but sometimes I have no choice.  :-\

I will never understand people who go on HRT and then complain they can't cover up the fact they now have boobs. If you want to stay male why do you want to go on HRT in the first place?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 10, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
I will never understand people who go on HRT and then complain they can't cover up the fact they now have boobs. If you want to stay male why do you want to go on HRT in the first place?

Sometimes it may not be compatible with a current job, or when we need to conceal the changed from certain family members... or until enough confidence has been built. With my hideous unpassable face I'd like to keep those things hidden until it can be fixed.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 10, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
I will never understand people who go on HRT and then complain they can't cover up the fact they now have boobs. If you want to stay male why do you want to go on HRT in the first place?

*points to Androgyne and HRT thread (http://"https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,116344.0.html").*  Not everyone here fits in the binary.

There are some of us who want to be on low dose HRT to keep ourselves sane and are not in a position to transition.  The psych effects of HRT are mainly what those in that position are after, and some of the physical developments are less than desired and hence the desire to hide those changes.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 10, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
I will never understand people who go on HRT and then complain they can't cover up the fact they now have boobs. If you want to stay male why do you want to go on HRT in the first place?

People come here who are transitioning and hope to receive support rather than criticism, they get plenty of that elsewhere, thank you!

Well said Shan! +1 for you!!

Quote from: luna nyan on September 10, 2012, 07:51:55 AM
*points to Androgyne and HRT thread (http://"https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,116344.0.html").*  Not everyone here fits in the binary.

There are some of us who want to be on low dose HRT to keep ourselves sane and are not in a position to transition.  The psych effects of HRT are mainly what those in that position are after, and some of the physical developments are less than desired and hence the desire to hide those changes.

Good point.  While I certainly hope for breast development I am first and foremost looking to explore the psychological aspects.  I can't claim to fully understand where I'm going with this process yet and I don't think I can until I know more about how it makes me feel.  Chicken-and-egg conundrum?

It is irksome to read some of the responses to this thread which criticize HRT use by those not currently presenting female. The idea that one should only go on HRT if one wishes to adhere to one side of the fence or the other is problematic, archaic, and stale. The truth about humanity and gender is much more accurately depicted by a spectrum. Don't criticize her for not presenting female, she has chosen to grow breasts - she obviously has made a commitment to this decision. Perhaps we all need a little encouragement to get outside the gate at times, but we don't know the motivation for her varied presentation.

Furthermore, it is irrelevant if someone wishes to present as one thing or the other. We find what works for us. All too often I see trans women criticize one another based on personal insecurities, and the need to validate their own decisions through admonishment of another's alternative choices. Lets remember that we are each of us distinct, and our realities are valid. What works for you, may not work for the next girl.

As far as hiding breasts, diva...I don't have any useful advice on that. But I do encourage you in your process.

I would follow up Noah's post by saying that breasts will be somewhat a side-effect of HRT for me, not necessarily a make-or-break goal.  It is very likely I will have to hide them for a little while at least to prevent trouble at work.  This is a fair and practical need.  I am in an environment which is typical of society right now where a gay man is generally accepted for his alternative sexuality but non-binary gender is like a creepy disease.  It may be weird to think that I'd be more accepted as a fully-transitioned female but it is reality and pretty much what I see as my goal.  Avoiding conflict in between will be a necessity.  I've made minor changes to my appearance so far that have gotten notice but not enough to set off the 'trans-alarm'.  The only trouble I've had is that one of my male coworkers has started acting weird like as if he's hitting on me but I'm not interested in knowing more about it and have so far been able to avoid the issue reasonably well.

Dear, dear, dear
Let your breasts breath
Enjoy your feminity
Nothing like the feeling of my bouncing breasts
Reminds me about my reak self
I know people will stare
But it is the price
For our feminity

Quote from: ifonlyican14 on September 10, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
Dear, dear, dear
Let your breasts breath
Enjoy your feminity
Nothing like the feeling of my bouncing breasts
Reminds me about my reak self
I know people will stare
But it is the price
For our feminity

*Sighs*
I'm pre-everything. You make sound worth going forward.

Please people.

Whenever we have posts with this sort of topic they can become upsetting to some members.

We have to remember that we are a very large group with a very diverse outlook on how we wish to live our lives and be accepted for who we are. What is normal for one person is not normal or desired by another.

We need to keep tolerance at the forefront of our discussions.

I think we all get upset by people in the general society being intolerant of us, no matter how we present.

Let us not fall into the same trap with ourselves.

If we disagree with someone do so politely. If we read a thread that is outside of our opinion or belief, let it ride and move on.

There are no right and wrong way for people to transition there is only 'our' way, and all of them are valid.

So don't let us build up head of steam.

Keep to the topic please.

Cindy

I don't see the issue here just buy a binder?!

Why is this thread 3 pages long?

Like MANY trans women, I'm proceeding with HRT and lazer BEFORE I start presenting as a woman full-time. My therapist and my endocrinologist are completely supportive of this strategy. Why? Because that's the approach I'M most comfortable with. That should be enough. Beyond that, there shouldn't be any aspect of hazing or punishment added to transition. It's hard enough without all that crap. Everyone's journey is different, and HRT/lazer/etc before transition is a completely valid approach. If you want to/have the ability to start living as a woman full-time before HRT, etc more power to you- But that's not for everyone. Plus, there are people who are aiming for a genderqueer/non-binary goal.. and that is absolutely valid as well.

So yeah, my breasts are growing, and pretty soon I'll need to start thinking about hiding the girls (temporarily)- Lots of helpful info in this thread. Thanks!

Quote from: Seyranna on September 11, 2012, 06:20:07 AM
I don't see the issue here just buy a binder?!

Why is this thread 3 pages long?

I have heard that binding while trying to grow breasts can cause problems with the process. For me, this is plenty of motivation to try and find other ways of hiding them until I am ready to go full time.

Quote from: Seyranna on September 11, 2012, 06:20:07 AM
I don't see the issue here just buy a binder?!

Why is this thread 3 pages long?

Hey I said that ! :P

I don't see the big deal, even if you don't want the constriction of a full on binder, buy something from loveboat. Their stuff is pretty good.

All the tops tried so far were just too uncomfortable.  Could be because they came off Clearance racks, etc.  But they aren't useable and didn't cost much, so they're going to Goodwill this morning. 

Back to loose fitting shirts over tighter tees when needed.    Or unbuttoned shirts over heavy loose tees.

Thanks for all the ideas.  Had to at least give them a tryout anyway.

K

It makes perfect sense to get HRT started months before "telling the world", your body will get a jump start on the girly stuff so girl clothes will have a better chance of looking the part, and your state of mind should be a bit more prepared for the big day as well.

As we move into fall and winter (top of the world peeps) baggy sweatshirts and cool weather clothes are much more concealing! summmer makes it tough to hide developing body parts that arent ready to be shown off yet.

Yep....each one of us are beautiful and unique in our own special ways, its amazing how we can be so "different and the same" I just love all my sisters here :)

Might sound funny but I notice large man boobs are covered by a larger tummy.  Where feminine boobs tend to be either on par or larger.  But I dont think anyone wants to wear any tummy extension pads.  ;D

The best way to over them up without going crazy is layers.  Layers of clothing tend to hide feminine breasts unless they are size DD.  But I am sure that was already suggested.

button up shirts tend to have extreme breast shrinking capabilities as well, until you put them back in a shirt.

I'm also not currently out (but working on it).  If you're around an A cup, I'd suggest a seamless sport bra + undershirt + baggy shirt.    The sport bra minimizes things without being too noticeable, the undershirt hides any lines from the seamless sport bra, and the baggy shirt helps to obscure any bumps in your clothing.  That's what I do at least, and it has worked well so far.  Wearing a tight sport bra for 12hrs a day isn't fun though...so it's definitely that much more incentive to come out soon.  ;)      Best of luck to you.  :)

Quote from: ifonlyican14 on September 10, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
Dear, dear, dear
Let your breasts breath
Enjoy your feminity
Nothing like the feeling of my bouncing breasts
Reminds me about my reak self
I know people will stare
But it is the price
For our feminity

I agree with the above and don't really understand this thread. I know the laws in America are very relaxed compared to the U.K where you are rarely allowed hormones unless you are showing you are living as a female, which I think shows some kind of commitment.

I don't think hormones do much anyway and I still have a male body shape after 14 years on hormones. No hips , no butt and very small breasts which are the type of breasts a guy could get being on the beer!

Quote from: Kay on September 12, 2012, 01:11:13 AM
I'm also not currently out (but working on it).  If you're around an A cup, I'd suggest a seamless sport bra + undershirt + baggy shirt.    The sport bra minimizes things without being too noticeable, the undershirt hides any lines from the seamless sport bra, and the baggy shirt helps to obscure any bumps in your clothing.  That's what I do at least, and it has worked well so far.  Wearing a tight sport bra for 12hrs a day isn't fun though...so it's definitely that much more incentive to come out soon.  ;)      Best of luck to you.  :)

That's pretty much what I wear. I wear the seamless bra, with a tshirt over it and I have a bunch of zip up hoodies that are made of a lighter, almost tshirt material that are a bit baggy that i wear over it  Luckily I can go casual at work, so this is my everyday outfit.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 12, 2012, 03:37:05 AM
I agree with the above and don't really understand this thread. I know the laws in America are very relaxed compared to the U.K where you are rarely allowed hormones unless you are showing you are living as a female, which I think shows some kind of commitment.

I don't think hormones do much anyway and I still have a male body shape after 14 years on hormones. No hips , no butt and very small breasts which are the type of breasts a guy could get being on the beer!

I'm not going to comment on your first paragraph but the second, you seem to say similar things regularly, have you posted a before and after? I bet after 14 years you look totally different :) youve mentioned you carry weight around your middle? Without knowing what you look like, I'd suggest this is perhaps visceral fat (fat that is inside the abdomin). It's the main cause of the waist line widening as people age, the best way to get rid of it is to jog every second day :) If you started hrt with an above average amount of visceral fat, the chances are it won't go anywhere. It has to be burned off by exercise and maintaining a caloric deficit. There are pleanty of calculators online that can show you your base metabolic rate so you can figure out your daily needs :)

Quote from: michelle666 on September 12, 2012, 06:05:07 AM
That's pretty much what I wear. I wear the seamless bra, with a tshirt over it and I have a bunch of zip up hoodies that are made of a lighter, almost tshirt material that are a bit baggy that i wear over it  Luckily I can go casual at work, so this is my everyday outfit.

Can you expand on the seamless bra?  brand names where to buy etc.  please :-)

I had a problem with finding a sports bra that helped bind and be comfy at the same time,  id recommend trying the seemless sports bras made by

Marika      they come in padded or unpadded, they have removable support pads. and im a nazi about how a sports bra feels, and I love them. 

just throw www  and .com infront and behind marika to go to their website,  dunham sports also sells them. dunno about other stores tho.

I'm finding all of this information potentially useful guys, thanks!  Personally speaking I'm not planning on putting a spotlight on myself until I know that HRT is compatible with my system.  Once I get my medical routine in place and put a proper life plan together then I will consider letting the new girls 'run free'.

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on September 12, 2012, 10:53:43 AM
Can you expand on the seamless bra?  brand names where to buy etc.  please :-)

The one I wear daily are the Adidas Medium Impact seamless sports bra. They're pretty cheap and are invisible under a tshirt.

Although I use sports bras more these days, I used these Underworks Compression Undershirts for a year or more. Very good stuff, especially because you can yank them up and fold them back to make them like a seamless bra with much more compression than any sports bra, or let it down if the shirt you want to wear is particularly sheer and you dont want to be seen wearing a bra-like thing underneath. Because a sports bra, no matter how seamless, will have ways to show through.... busy patterns, heavier fabrics, and a low body mass index (the tightness of the bra is very visible around the back of your arm area if you have excess weight) are your friends if you wear the bra and don't want to show.

Expensive but great quality, esp if handwashed only.
http://www.amazon.com/Underworks-Compression-Shirt-Girdle-Gynecomastia/dp/B0002TUJR8 (http://www.amazon.com/Underworks-Compression-Shirt-Girdle-Gynecomastia/dp/B0002TUJR8)

Quote from: Isabelle on September 12, 2012, 06:52:46 AM
I'm not going to comment on your first paragraph but the second, you seem to say similar things regularly, have you posted a before and after? I bet after 14 years you look totally different :) youve mentioned you carry weight around your middle? Without knowing what you look like, I'd suggest this is perhaps visceral fat (fat that is inside the abdomin). It's the main cause of the waist line widening as people age, the best way to get rid of it is to jog every second day :) If you started hrt with an above average amount of visceral fat, the chances are it won't go anywhere. It has to be burned off by exercise and maintaining a caloric deficit. There are pleanty of calculators online that can show you your base metabolic rate so you can figure out your daily needs :)

My before picture's look much better! and didn't have fat round the middle like I have now. I excercise daily and have a very good diet. I've tied most things to get rid of the belly fat. I look strange as the rest of my body is pretty skinny and my legs are very boney. Liposuction might be an option?

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on September 12, 2012, 10:53:43 AM
Can you expand on the seamless bra?  brand names where to buy etc.  please :-)

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I currently use a Hanes G393, which appears to be a discontinued model.  It is still available online in some places though.  Or they probably have a similar newer model replacement.  It's a common brand you can pick up in any Walmart/Shopko/department-store, etc...
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Basically, what I was looking for is this:
1) Inexpensive
2) pull-over (so if someone does give you a hug, there is no clasp to feel)
3) No wires or molded cups (if you're big enough to need those options, this won't help you much)
4) Edges of the garment are relatively flat and sewn on the inside to provide as smooth a line as possible under your clothes.
5) I also went with a racer back, because the most likely place for it to show through baggy clothes is where the clothes hang tighter on your body...near your your shoulders or upper back.
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Or just google "Seamless Racerback Sport Bra," and you should find quite a few options to consider.
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Hope this helps.  :)

How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Actually no, not if one doesn't want to and definitely not to suit the wishes of others! It's called freedom, something we all have here on this side of the pond!

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

I actually enjoy my androgyny, and ability to be one or the other or indeterminate as suits my mood. That is different from what you need, but it is great fun for me. ;)

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Some of us are non-binary - what decision should we make?

In my case I take HRT for the mental effects - it stops the intense dysphoria attacks and allows me to live my normal boy life. I'm bigender so I do have a female gender and she likes the physical changes so it's not all bad. I live my life mostly in boy mode so hiding my breasts in boy mode is just something that i have to do.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Hi Naturally.

I'm not posting this to be contentious.  So if you or anyone else reads it and disagrees, please understand that it's my view of my country and society.  There is no need to respond or comment.

I am slowly approaching a point to come out, but on a schedule that suits my needs.  These breasts are rarely tightly covered or bound to hide them unless I'm around my sons, their friends, or my relatives.  And even that cover-up will end soon. 

The HB Standards of care are more lightly applied here in the US, and that has allowed so many of us to adapt to our gender in a very humanistic way.  I am so very grateful that I live in a country where medicical care has progressed to address our individual rights, and the rights of the transsexual/transgender community at large.  We have our problems, and I'm sure our community will have far greater difficulty negotiating the rules that the new National Health Laws are going to impose.  It will limit access to more expensive medications, and prioritize medical procedures to the detriment of transwomen and men.  But at least we can still find so very many ways to be treated with dignity and respect by medical professionals.  Yes I had trouble finding my way through the medical maze to the proper doctors, but they are here, and they are compassionate.

You should visit this place sometime because I think you'd be surprised by the people now.  There is still a lot of prejudice against trans individuals, and I personally will never vacation in the deep south, or try to live in the Bible Belt.  Yeah, we screw things up once in a while, and we are far from perfect.  But the US is populated by more open minded people than it is by hard core bigots, cowboys and thugs.  I do love the various cultures, history and people of the English Commonwelth, and EU specifically, but also those of most nations in this world in general.  However, there is still no substitute for the freedoms and diversity I enjoy here.  And it's unfortunate that others don't have the same opportunities and freedom.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this, and all should probably have gone to a different thread somewhere.   

Kathy

Quote from: kathy b on September 14, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I do love the various cultures, history and people of the English Commonwelth, and EU specifically, but also those of most nations in this world in general.  However, there is still no substitute for the freedoms and diversity I enjoy here.  And it's unfortunate that others don't have the same opportunities and freedom.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this, and all should probably have gone to a different thread somewhere.   

Kathy

Good post Kathy!

Kathy, you're entirely right to post that.  Indirectly your message is simply that we must all live where and how necessary to not endanger our lives and wellbeing and preferably not be miserable.  It is also often required when being considerate of the affects on family members within your family structure and in their community social circle.  This is entirely a logical, practical and fair way to proceed and the approach must be uniquely tailored to our individual situations.  It also applies to many other things completely unrelated to ->-bleeped-<- which are also used to marginalize people.

Quote from: riven1 on September 14, 2012, 09:13:29 AM
In my case I take HRT for the mental effects - it stops the intense dysphoria attacks and allows me to live my normal boy life. I'm bigender so I do have a female gender and she likes the physical changes so it's not all bad. I live my life mostly in boy mode so hiding my breasts in boy mode is just something that i have to do.

Quote from: GendrKweer on September 14, 2012, 08:09:33 AM
I actually enjoy my androgyny, and ability to be one or the other or indeterminate as suits my mood. That is different from what you need, but it is great fun for me. ;)

So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Its not up to me to judge their lifestyle.  I might not understand why someone would take hormones and not want the effect they produce, but it is their life.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Oh sweetie, the breasts don't make the woman. A generous heart, a caring soul, pride in appearance and presentation, and a gusto for life, those are the kinds of things that make the woman.

You are all the woman you need to be.

There are some trans people that aren't all that keen on getting a divorce and trashing their families and friends for the sake of a 100% MtF or FtM transition. Some TG types know in their heart of hearts that they would never pass under any circumstances. Others realize that they could risk their income and experience untold personal loss of home and property working in a conservative business environment, and no doubt there are a number of other reasons why some prefer an androgynous presentation. I find it difficult to believe that people who are uptight about negative comments usually made by CIS people would do the exact same thing to other transgendered people. It smacks of a kind of sickening self righteousness and a willful refusal to understand and to give other types their due respect as they themselves expect to be treated. Once again, that sort of behavior reminds me of the film "Mean Girls" and leads me to think that perhaps some haven't made it past high school yet! Not pis**d, just sharing something I've observed in this thread!

I think it would be good at this point to leave this topic to those people wanting to discuss how best to hide their breasts, which was its original purpose.

If you want to discuss why people want to do that, start a new topic, please. People have come here to get information, not to have their motives questioned.

It is not in the spirit of this site to demand that people justify the direction or extent of their transitions, or how they're going about that.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Obviously this thread does not relate to you, or your situation. It does however relate to mine and I do not want to come here for advice and read your posts criticizing my choices and my life. If you do not agree with what we are doing than just leave this thread alone. Please, let us discuss this in peace.

About using a binder;

I would not recommend it to an mtf. Using binders, over time will make your breasts less dense, therefore makes them look squished and saggy.
For an ftm who hates his breasts and wants them gone, messing them up like that ain't such a big deal.

But I'd assume you girls don't want squished, saggy boobies; a my right? ;)

Go with a tight sports bra. And layer shirts.
Using lots of patterns on your shirt helps too.
Stripes help a lot in my opinion.

Just tried 3 and they were too constricting, so loose shirts and tees will do for now.  But I want to come out to my sons, brothers and sisters in November, and then I start wearing a bra.  Only have one now, and so I need to find a few more to fit my odd shape.  I'm overweight but loosing a lot, and somewhat busty but saggy and widely spaced. 

K

Quote from: Jayr on September 14, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
About using a binder;

I would not recommend it to an mtf. Using binders, over time will make your breasts less dense, therefore makes them look squished and saggy.
For an ftm who hates his breasts and wants them gone, messing them up like that ain't such a big deal.

But I'd assume you girls don't want squished, saggy boobies; a my right? ;)

Go with a tight sports bra. And layer shirts.
Using lots of patterns on your shirt helps too.
Stripes help a lot in my opinion.

No squishy, saggy Cooper's droopers puleeze! Check out Rhonda Shear bras, she has a variety that work well with sizes for everyone. I own half a dozen, they wear well under T - Shirts!

Quote from: Shantel on September 14, 2012, 08:49:40 PM
No squishy, saggy Cooper's droopers puleeze! Check out Rhonda Shear bras, she has a variety that work well with sizes for everyone. I own half a dozen, they wear well under T - Shirts!

Will they keep them closer together, and lift them up at the same time?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Judge much? I just spent 20k all up on SRS surgery, dear; I'm as serious as , well, an SRS. I identify as a female, but like a good number of cisfemales I know (including the one to whom I'm married), I like to push boundaries of gender. Your way is not the only way.

Quote from: GendrKweer on September 15, 2012, 12:26:03 AM
Judge much? I just spent 20k all up on SRS surgery, dear; I'm as serious as , well, an SRS. I identify as a female, but like a good number of cisfemales I know (including the one to whom I'm married), I like to push boundaries of gender. Your way is not the only way.

Ditto that! I live in Washington state where a vast number of cis females dress androgynously most of the time, jeans and blouse or T, sweater or hoodie. Some even dress like loggers, so for the most part I fit in just perfectly. Dresses and heels are viewed as either work place, party or special occasion attire generally. Cis woman are liberated and self assured enough to be able to be comfortable in non-gender specific presentation. Personal comfort being the key. They don't have to try hard to impress others that they are women because they are, and they are quite self assured about it.

I wonder if tight sports bras will have a detrimental effect on breast growth or appearce? It seems to me the human body is pretty susceptible to compressing forces shaping it, so does anyone have much insight of this?

Any kind of binding you do could be detrimental (ever hear of old chinese maiden feet that were tiny and childlike due to constriction!)

If you do plan on transitioning, wearing a bra and/or letting your shirt pop out slightly.  Most people will think its your tummy poking your shirt even if you look different underneath =p. 

As far as HRT goes, before its physical it is mental.  HRT rewires our bodies to meet the specifications of our mind.  It is invisible but you can feel it.

Quote from: Rita on September 15, 2012, 12:01:32 PM
Any kind of binding you do could be detrimental (ever hear of old chinese maiden feet that were tiny and childlike due to constriction!)

If you do plan on transitioning, wearing a bra and/or letting your shirt pop out slightly.  Most people will think its your tummy poking your shirt even if you look different underneath =p. 

As far as HRT goes, before its physical it is mental.  HRT rewires our bodies to meet the specifications of our mind.  It is invisible but you can feel it.

Oh my.  Knew compression garments were uncomfortable before trying them, but never considered the damage they could do.  -----  Now this girl's head is spinning.  Can't afford to go out and buy a bunch of tops and bras anymore.  So about bras in general, what is best?  I've owned soft, underwire, and sports, but they are all gone to the trash or Goodwill except for one Vanity Fair underwire that is now too small.  Has anyone done a thread about what is best for a plus size girl?  I'm just too tired and confused now to start one.

Quote from: kathy b on September 15, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
Oh my.  Knew compression garments were uncomfortable before trying them, but never considered the damage they could do.  -----  Now this girl's head is spinning.  Can't afford to go out and buy a bunch of tops and bras anymore.  So about bras in general, what is best?  I've owned soft, underwire, and sports, but they are all gone to the trash or Goodwill except for one Vanity Fair underwire that is now too small.  Has anyone done a thread about what is best for a plus size girl?  I'm just too tired and confused now to start one.

I'm 5' 7" and 169 pounds today and dress in an androgynous mode with bra. It's a stage in my transition, I have boobs, lots of people do, especially plus sizes. I'm assuming that as you describe yourself you had man-boobs (Moobs) not long ago, so go with the flow rather than allow yourself to let self-consciousness overwhelm you. It can be emotionally crippling if you let it.

Mmm. Leaving tiny boobs visible could be difficult for me, since everybody at work knows I am an exercise nut with almost no fat. I'd have to go back to my old (and now oversized) shirts. My current "moobs" are just tiny pointy things, exercise induced.


Now thinking about another thing. BA could be a point of no return? Even with FFS and SRS I could use "boy mode" if I wanted or needed it for something, but with decent boobage... I don't know if it would be bindable, or even if I was to do it (it is covered in social security along with SRS, so if they still looked like manboobs I would take it), I would not want to damage it...

I've never been a fan of big boobs, preferring functional things that won't obstruct, but... Sometimes...

Well, this is me whether as myself or in boy mode for work...I love these little things and dont really want to hide them :) however loose tshirts do the job just fine while working.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg4%2FKR3259%2Fodds%2520n%2520ends%2F41AB0E26-A886-49AE-A17C-174F67307D33-7738-00000A9DA2B90BFF.jpg&hash=cd6c9aaf8cbb3251f4e2ff431aee1184dc8e95a0)

I just got a new seamless bra, it's the "Danskin Now!" medium impact sports bra, I think it does a good job of hiding them and it's very invisible with even a tight t-shirt. I like the Danskin better than the Adidas that I've been wearing. The Adidas can be detected under a tight t-shirt, unlike this one.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg689%2F1116%2Fsep2m.jpg&hash=daa6099e118e36e072219a0559f6d15ecff3a79c)

and here's one with a regular bra for to see the difference.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg826%2F2770%2Fsep5.jpg&hash=369b913e45dd98591d9f98f561ceb99bef001d35)

I'm 5'7", 220- dropping weight, but still "curvy." I'm hoping that will help me pass off the girls as "moobs" for a while, but they are growing faster than I had anticipated- and starting to take the rounded, fuller shape of female breasts. I know- it's a good problem to have :) But I'm going to try undershirts and "layers" if I need to before going to compression shirts or sports bras..

Quote from: michelle666 on September 16, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
I just got a new seamless bra, it's the "Danskin Now!" medium impact sports bra, I think it does a good job of hiding them and it's very invisible with even a tight t-shirt. I like the Danskin better than the Adidas that I've been wearing. The Adidas can be detected under a tight t-shirt, unlike this one.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg689%2F1116%2Fsep2m.jpg&hash=daa6099e118e36e072219a0559f6d15ecff3a79c)

and here's one with a regular bra for to see the difference.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg826%2F2770%2Fsep5.jpg&hash=369b913e45dd98591d9f98f561ceb99bef001d35)

Michelle, I like that look a lot! Might look into one of those one day....thanx :)

Quote from: michelle666 on September 16, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
I just got a new seamless bra, it's the "Danskin Now!" medium impact sports bra, I think it does a good job of hiding them and it's very invisible with even a tight t-shirt. I like the Danskin better than the Adidas that I've been wearing. The Adidas can be detected under a tight t-shirt, unlike this one.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg689%2F1116%2Fsep2m.jpg&hash=daa6099e118e36e072219a0559f6d15ecff3a79c)

This looks like it works very well!
It doesn't hurt/feel too snug, does it? I'd be afraid of limiting my breast growth long term.

Quote from: Slightly Interested on September 16, 2012, 01:17:42 PM
This looks like it works very well!
It doesn't hurt/feel too snug, does it? I'd be afraid of limiting my breast growth long term.

That works but is a bit severe for someone developing breast tissue. I keep saying to check out Rhonda Shear, she has an Ahh Bra that is made from stretchy material that fits nicely, smoothes out the pointiness, controls the jiggles, and is slightly compressive and doesn't even show through a T-shirt or make a statement that says, "See, I'm wearing a bra!" Don't get white, it shows through even a white shirt or top, get flesh tone and black which will cover all your needs. I've been doing this for some time now and I can assure you that I do have a set of rockets and these bras do a nice job of understating one's assets.

Quote from: Slightly Interested on September 16, 2012, 01:17:42 PM
This looks like it works very well!
It doesn't hurt/feel too snug, does it? I'd be afraid of limiting my breast growth long term.

After wearing this one for a day, it's way too constricting. I'm going to look into that ahhh-bra. I dont want to potentially damage what I have going on here.

Quote from: michelle666 on September 19, 2012, 06:58:03 AM
After wearing this one for a day, it's way too constricting. I'm going to look into that ahhh-bra. I dont want to potentially damage what I have going on here.

You won't be sorry hon, let us know what you think when you've worn one for awhile!

Quote from: michelle666 on September 19, 2012, 06:58:03 AM
After wearing this one for a day, it's way too constricting. I'm going to look into that ahhh-bra. I dont want to potentially damage what I have going on here.

I wear something very similar to the ahh-bra. I have four of them now and I do not wear any other kind of bra.

http://www.jmldirect.com/uk/personal-accessories/belvia-bra-4-for-3-offer/invt/b13ao60100000001 (http://www.jmldirect.com/uk/personal-accessories/belvia-bra-4-for-3-offer/invt/b13ao60100000001)

Amazon sells them. They are very comfortable and for small breasted women like me (A-cup) they are great.

Quote from: brc on September 19, 2012, 08:19:17 AM
I wear something very similar to the ahh-bra. I have four of them now and I do not wear any other kind of bra.

http://www.jmldirect.com/uk/personal-accessories/belvia-bra-4-for-3-offer/invt/b13ao60100000001 (http://www.jmldirect.com/uk/personal-accessories/belvia-bra-4-for-3-offer/invt/b13ao60100000001)

Amazon sells them. They are very comfortable and for small breasted women like me (A-cup) they are great.

  I think these are the ones I have also.  While I'm not on HRT yet and have no chest to speak of I've started wearing them under my shirts in male mode anyway to get used to it and because they feel so damned comfortable.  (They work well with inserts of course when desired.)  I'm not sure if it would be enough to hide more than an A-cup but they are so thin and stretchy layering more than one might be an option.  The Ahh Bra infomercial suggests layering theirs too but for other reasons.

@michelle666:
Compressed or not you seem to have decent form there at your size.  In fact, they're pretty hot!  I have little attraction to anything over a B so you're good in my books.

Quote from: Violet Bloom on September 19, 2012, 10:54:41 AM
I'm not sure if it would be enough to hide more than an A-cup but they are so thin and stretchy layering more than one might be an option

They will NOT hide an A-cup. Trust me on this - I know!!! If anything they lift and boost my A-cups.

Quote from: brc on September 19, 2012, 11:54:11 AM
They will NOT hide an A-cup. Trust me on this - I know!!! If anything they lift and boost my A-cups.

  Well, this is actually good news to me because later on when it's time to show off they will still have been a good investment.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 12, 2012, 03:37:05 AM
I know the laws in America are very relaxed compared to the U.K where you are rarely allowed hormones unless you are showing you are living as a female, which I think shows some kind of commitment.

I was completely freaked when I saw that ... my entire transition strategy will depend on delaying the point where I go full-time until I have already made significant progress with hair restoration, beard removal, voice and HRT. For personal and professional reasons I absolutely have to pass pretty much from the word go, certainly from the point where my transition goes public. I had got the impression from doctors and shrinks I'd spoken to that this would be possible. And it is. here's what the official NHS website has to say about treatment of gender dysphoria ...

"Cross-sex hormone therapy means taking the hormones of your preferred gender:

a trans man (female becoming a male) will take testosterone
a trans woman (male becoming a female) will take oestrogen

The aim of hormone therapy is to make you more comfortable with yourself, both in your physical appearance and how you feel psychologically (mentally). These hormones start the process of changing your body into one that is more female or more male, depending on your gender identity.

Hormone therapy may be all the treatment you need to live with your gender dysphoria. The hormones may improve how you feel and mean that you do not need to start living in your preferred gender or have surgery."

In other words, you CAN have hormone treatment before living in role. I think it's important that any other Brits reading this should be reassured. The link is here:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx)

Quote from: Violet Bloom on September 19, 2012, 11:43:23 PM
  Well, this is actually good news to me because later on when it's time to show off they will still have been a good investment.

When they get beyond the point where they are, (to quote someone here), more than just traffic cones and have a little meat and cush around them, then the Ahh Bra will round off the pointy-ness and control the bounce so that you are not overstating your boobs. Lots of cis women wear them as leisure bras.

BTW - for those who want to track the actual breast development as opposed to fat, look in the mirror and lift both arms over your head. Those round humps on your chest under the nipples are breast glands developing, everything else is just fat. Only do it once a month if you want to see dramatic and measurable results, do it every day and you won't notice much if any changes.

Quote from: Carlita on September 20, 2012, 10:00:17 AM
I was completely freaked when I saw that ...

The standards and requirements change from time to time

Quote from: Carlita on September 20, 2012, 10:00:17 AMmy entire transition strategy will depend on delaying the point where I go full-time until I have already made significant progress with hair restoration, beard removal, voice

All of which you can do without HRT.

Quote from: Carlita on September 20, 2012, 10:00:17 AMand HRT.

:D

Quote from: Carlita on September 20, 2012, 10:00:17 AMFor personal and professional reasons I absolutely have to pass pretty much from the word go, certainly from the point where my transition goes public.

I would say, it has to be obvious that you are serious about your transition and putting effort in. Everyone I have encountered has seen how important it is to me and that I really am doing my best to transition to an ordinary woman. Everyone has been accepting (if somewhat puzzled and baffled).

I would say its important to have hormones before living in role, hormones play a major part in your mental health and going from T balance to E balance made me feel oh o so great on the inside.  Dressing up while still having like no E and massive T is definitely detrimental to feeling beautiful.

Modulating your voice becomes easier to... not because of physical changes but confidence levels.

I really admire the strength and will of those who went through a horribly difficult transition under the strict application of the Harry Benjamin Standards.  But those standards do get revised to meet changes in society, medical practice, and improvements in psychiatric understanding of how patients must live within thier family and social constraints.   Hopefully those countries that lag behind will see the light soon and become as progressive as the US.

Kathy

Quote from: Carlita on September 20, 2012, 10:00:17 AM
I was completely freaked when I saw that ... my entire transition strategy will depend on delaying the point where I go full-time until I have already made significant progress with hair restoration, beard removal, voice and HRT. For personal and professional reasons I absolutely have to pass pretty much from the word go, certainly from the point where my transition goes public. I had got the impression from doctors and shrinks I'd spoken to that this would be possible. And it is. here's what the official NHS website has to say about treatment of gender dysphoria ...

<snip>

In other words, you CAN have hormone treatment before living in role. I think it's important that any other Brits reading this should be reassured. The link is here:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx)

It's also worth noting that you can go private in the UK too.  My therapist and psych follow the SoC v6 guidelines of 3 months of therapy prior to HRT. Did that. On HRT. No requirement to do anything beyond the therapy.   

To start the NHS process, first you need a "mental health check" from your local mental health authority.  I waited for my referral for 5 months. (By then I had seen my private psych.) Once that's done, it goes back to your PCT where they have a think and an argument over who is going to pay for you.  Then you get referred to a GIC.  This can take another 5 to a-really-long-time-to-get-sorted-out.  I've heard stories of up to 16 months to get into CharX.

Privately, 3 months of therapy, get HRT, go full time when you're ready, 12 months after that you can have your surgery letters if that's your path.  Three months of therapy at an average £50/week is £600, the two psych appointments and the letter to my GP cost me £450.  The psych "share-cares" with my GP, issues the prescription to my GP who turns it into an NHS 'script, and the meds are on the NHS (less dispensing fees).

So in 15 months, you can be through all the physical stuff, or possibly still be waiting on the NHS to get started.

Also, you can switch into the NHS from private, but they won't prescribe apparently in your first year in their care, nor will you get surgery in the first 2 (again if that's your path). However, you can get started on hrt ahead of that (by going private initially) and switch in later.  They wont make you stop hrt, as they at least understand people will DIY.  I think they'll kick you out of the NHS GIC if you don't swear your allegiance to your GIC by the end of your second visit, so you can sit on the fence and test the waters (or stay properly supervised for your HRT with your private Psych) while checking out the NHS.

There's more that one option in the UK. Private isn't cheap. Neither is transition in general. :)

Quote from: kathy b on September 20, 2012, 11:31:17 AM
I really admire the strength and will of those who went through a horribly difficult transition under the strict application of the Harry Benjamin Standards.  But those standards do get revised to meet changes in society, medical practice, and improvements in psychiatric understanding of how patients must live within thier family and social constraints.   Hopefully those countries that lag behind will see the light soon and become as progressive as the US.

Kathy

as someone transitioning in one such country and with no choice but to go out in boy-mode am wondering how will I ever be able to handle things if the girls ever got too big - I mean a part of me really wants them to be big and visible but am scared cause it means I can't go out in boy-mode anymore which can cause an insane number of headaches and heartaches for me.

anyways crossing my fingers and hoping I can get hold of a really good sports bra and take care of it without anyone noticing me wearing it or keeping one in the closet.

Quote from: michelle666 on September 19, 2012, 06:58:03 AM
After wearing this one for a day, it's way too constricting. I'm going to look into that ahhh-bra. I dont want to potentially damage what I have going on here.

I have a photo of myself in a white Ahh bra, (the third photo down in my flickr account) and a couple wearing a black one under a navy long sleeve T. The idea is to try and understate the obvious, obscure points and bounce until you're ready to let it all hang out. Hope this is helpful!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/87446629@N07/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/87446629@N07/)

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AM
In the United Kingdom we have to prove we are living full time as female in order to get prescription HRT. If we are living as a male HRT is not usually prescribed especially if there is no commitment to present as female. I had to live as female for two years before I got prescription HRT.

Over in America you seem to be able to take whatever drugs you like including HRT no matter if you are full time or not without any medical supervision. I think you need to decide if you want to transition or not but while you live on the fence and remain presenting as male you should probably not be taking HRT if the commitment isn't there.

I'm sorry your government's policies for HRT are so archaic and fundamentally transphobic, not to mention extremely dangerous psychologically and physically for those in RLE without hormones.

Here in Washington D.C. I go to a clinic that operates on a "patient consent" basis for HRT...if you want HRT and understand the risks by signing the release, they'll give you 'mones.

Most clinics in the U.S. do NOT operate on a "patient consent" basis and require a few months of gender therapy and a letter from the therapist supporting HRT

The right to gender expression is a fundamental human right, and the right to being comfortable in one's own body is also inalienable, so I'm in full support of "patient consent" policies.

If one hasn't done the research or doesn't understand the real physical and social dangers that HRT present and they end up at a liberal "patient consent" place and on hormones and then regret it, it's their fault for not being informed.

Their ignorance should not impede my right to swift and equitable gender transition & expression.  I know who I am and what I want, and I'm pretty bloody sure that's why "patient consent" has started to be adopted in some clinics.  To provide access to HRT for those who want it, fast and simple.

This policy of patient consent also really helps bi-gendered, androgyne, gender fluid/queer, or otherwise non-binary gender identified individuals achieve partial femininization/masculinization as needed/desired.

The policy in the UK is not (usually) that archaic nowadays. The situation varies from gender clinic to gender clinic, and also depends on the circumstances of the client. I got HRT very soon after I began living full-time, for example, and for many people it's a fairly straightforward process taking around 2 years from walking through the clinic door to being eligible for surgery.

  Sorta related to the topic - Today was the first in a long time that was cool enough to wear a jacket.  I had to go to the clinic I'll be dealing with in the future to take care of some paperwork so I used this as an excuse to 'put in my boobs' for the first time outside the house.  The leather jacket hid them completely.  I wasn't interested in showing off yet so this worked out well.  I just wanted to get used to the sensation of walking about with them in without any chance of trouble.  Kinda like an actor getting into character it really helped me feel the part in my head.  It's a wonderful sensation when there's more 'bounce' in your step than just in your step!  It's a feeling of completeness.  I'm really working hard at allowing my mind to flow freely as female on the inside first so when the time comes to present openly it won't be such a big leap.  There's a very special feeling in being out in public knowing I'm female but everyone else is hopelessly unaware.  I'd rather be empowered by that feeling than get my panties all in a knot because everyone is calling me "Sir".  It makes me grin when people sit down beside me on the transit and have no idea they're sitting next to a transwoman. ;D

Quote from: ShawnaB on September 20, 2012, 12:26:48 PM
It's also worth noting that you can go private in the UK too.  My therapist and psych follow the SoC v6 guidelines of 3 months of therapy prior to HRT. Did that. On HRT. No requirement to do anything beyond the therapy.   

To start the NHS process, first you need a "mental health check" from your local mental health authority.  I waited for my referral for 5 months. (By then I had seen my private psych.) Once that's done, it goes back to your PCT where they have a think and an argument over who is going to pay for you.  Then you get referred to a GIC.  This can take another 5 to a-really-long-time-to-get-sorted-out.  I've heard stories of up to 16 months to get into CharX.

Privately, 3 months of therapy, get HRT, go full time when you're ready, 12 months after that you can have your surgery letters if that's your path.  Three months of therapy at an average £50/week is £600, the two psych appointments and the letter to my GP cost me £450.  The psych "share-cares" with my GP, issues the prescription to my GP who turns it into an NHS 'script, and the meds are on the NHS (less dispensing fees).

So in 15 months, you can be through all the physical stuff, or possibly still be waiting on the NHS to get started.

Also, you can switch into the NHS from private, but they won't prescribe apparently in your first year in their care, nor will you get surgery in the first 2 (again if that's your path). However, you can get started on hrt ahead of that (by going private initially) and switch in later.  They wont make you stop hrt, as they at least understand people will DIY.  I think they'll kick you out of the NHS GIC if you don't swear your allegiance to your GIC by the end of your second visit, so you can sit on the fence and test the waters (or stay properly supervised for your HRT with your private Psych) while checking out the NHS.

There's more that one option in the UK. Private isn't cheap. Neither is transition in general. :)

Personally, this is one aspect of my medical care that I would totally do as a private patient: you just have so much more control over and input into the whole process that way.

Tho' it should be said that it's pretty amazing that the UK has a system that allows people to be treated for free - and by the exact same people, pretty much, that look after private patients - even if it does take a lot longer on the NHS.

Quote from: Carlita on September 21, 2012, 04:51:48 AM
Tho' it should be said that it's pretty amazing that the UK has a system that allows people to be treated for free - and by the exact same people, pretty much, that look after private patients - even if it does take a lot longer on the NHS.

You have got me really angry now Carlita! I live in the U.K and I have never got anything for free! I have had to pay for all my treatment privately (including starting on HRT) and the NHS has never helped me in any shape or form with anything. It's not for the want of trying and I went through the NHS GIC system for 6 years. At present I am trying to save for my operations. You need a reality check girl!

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 21, 2012, 04:55:21 AM
You have got me really angry now Carlita! I live in the U.K and I have never got anything for free! I have had to pay for all my treatment privately (including starting on HRT) and the NHS has never helped me in any shape or form with anything. It's not for the want of trying and I went through the NHS GIC system for 6 years. At present I am trying to save for my operations. You need a reality check girl!

I'm sorry, but just because this has been your experience doesn't invalidate the truth of most other people's. Please stop universalising your own experience, grim though it clearly has been. I can understand why it would make you feel bitter, but it is a fact that most people get a very good deal from the NHS going through transition.

Quote from: Padma on September 21, 2012, 05:29:53 AM
I'm sorry, but just because this has been your experience doesn't invalidate the truth of most other people's. Please stop universalising your own experience, grim though it clearly has been. I can understand why it would make you feel bitter, but it is a fact that most people get a very good deal from the NHS going through transition.

Granted, some people do get help through the NHS in the U.K depending on their geographical location and the willingness and financial situation of their PCT (Primary Care Trust). But many are discarded and their NHS treatment is very limited. The best regions for getting NHS support seem to be in London and Scotland. I do not live in either of these areas, and for me personally I have found it hard to get funding or support from the NHS.

It is unfortunate that the treatment varies so much from one area to another. Can you contact the higher ups and explain the differing approaches? Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 21, 2012, 06:27:32 AM
Granted, some people do get help through the NHS in the U.K

Some areas and some GICs are better than others, but if you are prepared to create a fuss then the PCTs usually cave in. I was initially told I faced a 3 to 5 year wait for my first GIC appointment. A few sharp letters later and my wait was down to 18 weeks. At first my doctor did not know what to do with me as I was his first ever TS patient so I prodded him along a bit and that helped.  I was referred to the initial pysch review within 6 weeks and from that review straight to a GIC.

I personally know others in this region (N. Wales / NW England) who have been told of delays or given denials and who have fought back and had success. One person has her appeal against a PCT next month and is already getting her MP involved.

The three GICs used by that most people I know are Sheffield, Leeds and Charing X and a number of PCTs are in this area and they are all different but the message that comes across consistently is 'Stay in touch with the PCT and the GIC and kick-off the first time you get a bureaucratic problem and you will move through the system'. So far it works.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 21, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
It is unfortunate that the treatment varies so much from one area to another. Can you contact the higher ups and explain the differing approaches? Hugs, Devlyn

Devlyn - everyone knows about the different approaches, twas ever thus, but next year the whole system gets ripped apart and replaced with GP commissioning and the PCTs are abolished. The GP practices will have all the money and so it will be my GP that decides what funding is available. That brings the whole system a lot closer to the patient and many have high hopes for an improvement in service.

Good information, and I'll cross my fingers that the system gets fixed so everyone gets the proper care. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: brc on September 21, 2012, 06:42:26 AM

Devlyn - everyone knows about the different approaches, twas ever thus, but next year the whole system gets ripped apart and replaced with GP commissioning and the PCTs are abolished. The GP practices will have all the money and so it will be my GP that decides what funding is available. That brings the whole system a lot closer to the patient and many have high hopes for an improvement in service.

Getting rid of the PCT's can't happen soon enough. All about box ticking, targets and lining their own pockets. The doctors will still continue to run rings round the gov't, but at least the service should improve.

And the gender clinics will have much more choice over what they spend on - I've been told that post-PCT, my clinic will be able to fund electrolysis, for example (I think they mean pre-op de-pubing).

Quote from: brc on September 21, 2012, 06:42:26 AM
Some areas and some GICs are better than others, but if you are prepared to create a fuss then the PCTs usually cave in. I was initially told I faced a 3 to 5 year wait for my first GIC appointment. A few sharp letters later and my wait was down to 18 weeks. At first my doctor did not know what to do with me as I was his first ever TS patient so I prodded him along a bit and that helped.  I was referred to the initial pysch review within 6 weeks and from that review straight to a GIC.

So in the UK you pay high taxes for this outstanding care by the National Helth Service, and that wonderfully personal touch by employees of the government?  Then to top it off many TS's have to go out to private clinics for more responsive care and pay all those costs also.  I'm just kidding around here, because if this is what we have to look forward to under the new Health Care Law in the US, I personally want the laws changed.  I'd like to stick to choosing my own insurance and getting decent care.  And I really don't want to pay extra taxes and fines to the IRS, then ultimately end up with a system like the UK has where I'd get a sub-par government bureaucracy making decisions about healt care. 

Hey, I don't want to get into a political discussion about this.  It's just how I feel.

Quote from: Violet Bloom on September 20, 2012, 04:52:16 PM
  Sorta related to the topic - Today was the first in a long time that was cool enough to wear a jacket.

Going camping in Yosemite today.  It's cold at night and warm in the day so I'm likewise wearing a jacket for the first time this fall, but also again relying on those loose tees and unbuttoned shirts to cover during the day.  I really have to come out to the rest of my family soon because on camping trips like this hiding the girls is getting tiresome.

Kathhy

It's an imperfect system but way better than what you have, it's just very badly managed.

I recently had a tooth abcsess flair up at 5.30 on a friday. My dentist (private obviously she can't be bothered with the paperwork) was finished for the weekend so I went to the all night clinic at the local hospital.

Three doctors standing three feet from me having a chat.
I asked the receptionist for an appointment with the doctors but told I'd have to ring the PCT 20 miles away. 

She handed me the phone ??? and I told them I just needed some antibiotics.
No you'll have to go to the dental clinic 30 miles away on Saturday morning ???.

Soooo what if I had an abcsess on my leg, could the doctor here see me - yes - ok - I've got an abcsess on my leg.
Can I have an appointment? - I'll call you back
90 minutes later the receptionist rang them and said look the doctors will see him.

Got in to see the doctor who had heard the whole thing he said "so you have a tooth abscess here's some antibiotics."

1 other patient had been in and three doctors who had been shipped in from abroad had just been sitting around +1 receptionist + 1 person  in the PCT.

It didn't use to be like this.  In France recently we needed the doctor, went to the local evening surgery queued for 30 mins and saw the doctor, that's what we used to have.

Quote from: Padma on September 20, 2012, 04:18:42 PM
The policy in the UK is not (usually) that archaic nowadays. The situation varies from gender clinic to gender clinic, and also depends on the circumstances of the client. I got HRT very soon after I began living full-time, for example, and for many people it's a fairly straightforward process taking around 2 years from walking through the clinic door to being eligible for surgery.

I lived in and on the borders of London, so maybe that's why I had better treatment? But nothing can be proved really, beyond hearsay. I got my private HRT prescriptions converted to NHS ones the first time around, before I transitioned anything. I even got my GP to pay for my private psychiatrist (Russel Reid). I avoided the GIC route. And I don't want SRS on the NHS. My GPs have always been sympathetic and have always been virgin in regard to TS issues.

Quote from: brc on September 21, 2012, 06:42:26 AM


I personally know others in this region (N. Wales / NW England) who have been told of delays or given denials and who have fought back and had success. One person has her appeal against a PCT next month and is already getting her MP involved.

I got my MP involved too but Charing Cross GIC refused to reply to her letters. I also had another battle with the PCT for two years. I thought my transition would take two years max. I didn't know my transition would take over 11 years! and counting....

Quote from: Cindy James on August 24, 2012, 03:39:16 AM


I did post before that I got long stares at the gym...

I think a rule of boob should be, if they bounce and the nipples are prominent it is time to come out to the world. 'cos they ain't going to get smaller >:-)

That is a funny story about the gym.

I got a  lesson on your "rule of boob" a few weekends ago. 

I am not full time; probably will not transition fully.  :(  I always bind myself at work, boy mode for the most part.  Other than work, though, I generally layer and so forth when presenting boy mode.  I am a B-cup normally, so it works OK. With friends, though, I do not hide my figure.  I wear by bra at home.   

Big change: I am inducing lactation for my partner, since July, and I am getting much larger, now wearing a C-cup.  So when I am out and about, it is really hard to camouflage my shape.  At work I still bind, for safety.  My friends all know I am inducing lactation, so it is OK.  I really WANT to wear my bra full time, my breasts are so heavy now, but I still do not wear it in public.   ::)

Anyway, my partner and I were out at the grocery store -- a quick dash in and out for vegetables.  I was not wearing my bra, of course, but also not layering or anything.  So I was plainly "out there" braless for everybody to see, hence the need to make it quick.  But my boss ran into us in produce, with her witless husband.  OMG!  :o  She was smiling and friendly, and she even told me I looked great.   Her husband looked fit to be tied, very uncomfortable.

So my partner and I were really nervous after that.  She and I work in the same office, same boss.  I thought we'd get fired. 

But the boss was excellent.  She wants me to feel comfortable, so I can now wear my bra at work, and she supports me in that.  My partner says, "About time."  :laugh:

So I am stepping daintily and slowly following your rule of boob.  It's good.

Wonderful news.  I have thought about taking Motilium for lactation.

Quote from: spx_1112 on October 10, 2012, 07:09:37 AM
Wonderful news.  I have thought about taking Motilium for lactation.

Wonderful that I nearly got fired?  ;)
It's actually painful and heavy -- which is why I want to wear my bra all the time, even to bed!  Getting used to it now, but still... it will be worth it when we finish.

How are you inducing lactation?  Are you wearing a nursing bra?

Hello

I have large boobs 38 D and sport bras i dont like.
I wear normal bras in my size and be proud to have very nice boobs

Klaudia

 I guess I just never cared. Now full time everywhere but work, but even when I was in guy mode more often; didn't really try to hide them. Much like a cyouplemonths ago I got tired of things dragging (management already knew about my transition plans, but things were stagnant) and started to not take off my nail polish before work. wear my hair in ponytails... little things like that. Sure I got some questions from co workers, but I simply dealt with them. Now having said that: this not caring of mine clearly isn't right for everyone, but the thing to remember is that everyone should go at their own pace and if you feel the neef to be in guy mode for awhile longer and to hide thinhgs like breasts; more power to you!

Quote from: Jenna_Nicole105 on October 11, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
...even when I was in guy mode more often; didn't really try to hide them.

...my nail polish before work. wear my hair in ponytails... little things like that.

...everyone should go at their own pace and if you feel the neef to be in guy mode for awhile longer and to hide thinhgs like breasts; more power to you!

I always felt the need to hide, but now lately I am getting to that same point, not trying to hide now, just going about my business, which feels good.  And it is always the little things, like the other day I was walking down the hall and I reached up to adjust my bra strap a little.  Just as I did that, one of my coworkers turned the corner and saw me and she lit up a great smile.  Later I saw her on the way down in the elevator at the end of the day and she told me how well I looked.  "You look great." Very encouraging.

And OMG it is good that I do not have to bind at work anymore! :D

Hide these lil' things...never :)

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Generous. How is your lactation?  Hugs Shannon

No kidding. That's what made me have to come out to my dad, his girlfriend and some others. My dad's girlfriend noticed when her coworker said something to her about it when she saw me one day years ago. When my dad told me what she had said, I was like "oh, crap" and then I decided to come clean about being on hormones and transitioning with them. It was a bout a year later that I came out to everyone in one fell swoop, but by then most had guessed but were just waiting to see if I would ever say something, lol.

So you think people may not know, but...

I'm so indifferent about this issue. Since I'm not full time due to my name change not being done yet. I'm already a full A cup and I'm about to reach my first year. I know as the next 6 months pass. It's going to be a lot more difficult to keep them concealed. Since I have such a skinny frame and all. However at the same time, I'm really looking forward to more growth  ;D

I have a feeling sometime in the coming months I'm going have to force myself to go into full time. Lately I've been considering to just go for it but being full time in the middle of laser sessions doesn't sound fun. Since you have to let your hair grow out eek! Idk

Its the worst!! Literally sports bras are useless!! useless!! haha, my only solution is baggy jackets and hoodies. I live in Africa the heats bad this time of year so that doesnt help either.

But yea tight clothes under and baggy on top can provid some hiding help sadly not enough.

Right! a part of me is dreading the coming seasons. I wont be able to get away with as many layers as I do now.

my breasts are round, perky, B-cup as well.  They stick out through my shirt like a sore dumb  but I already look feminine in boy mode so I dont even care anymore haha.  I hide my bra still by a thin layer as to not draw too much attention as my shirts are fairly baggy, so you dont see my full figrure until you pull back on the shirt.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AMOver in America you seem to be able to take whatever drugs you like including HRT no matter if you are full time or not without any medical supervision.

It is true that here you don't have to be full-time --- but it is patently untrue that you can do it without medical supervision. (That is, unless you do black-market stuff).

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AMI think you need to decide if you want to transition or not but while you live on the fence and remain presenting as male you should probably not be taking HRT if the commitment isn't there.

Do you have any idea what it is like living as a transsexual in the United States? In many areas here, it's dangerous *enough* being full-time when you're just pre-op --- let alone pre-hormone. Doctors who treat patients who live in trans-hostile areas by the exact same standards as patients who live in trans-embracing areas are recklessly disregarding the safety of those whom they are supposed to be helping.

Furthermore --- let's assume there's someone who has no desire to transition --- but the high level of testosterone and low level of estrogen in their blood is causing a *chemical* depression that can only be successfully treated with HRT? (And yes --- such cases do occur.) If you feel that such a person should be denied such treatment just because it doesn't go along with how you feel transition and hormones aught to be approached --- then you have no heart. Plain and simple ---- if you can be that apathetic to someone's agony you have no heart.

Even more so if we're speaking of someone who *does* feel the need to transition --- but in their life situation can't safely do so. You are essentially saying that someone in that situation, even if they need HRT, should be denied it --- unless they can prove that they are doing something that can get them fired, or in some places even killed!!!

If you think I am making this up --- or if you think I'm even *exaggerating* ---- then you have no idea what it's like in many places in the USA.

Quote from: spx_1112 on February 16, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Generous. How is your lactation?  Hugs Shannon

Still working on it. My nurse practitioner wants me to stay on the protocol a bit longer, but she says I should be fine when my milk comes in.  She is pretty much an expert at inducing lactation, so that is a good report.   She can actually squeeze out a little milk now, teeny droplets that she collects in an eye dropper.

And my partner is foaming at the mouth almost, with the waiting.  She will be busy feeding in a few weeks I hope.  We are both looking forward to it.

My partner's mom has a lingerie shop, and I was there getting fitted for a new bra last week.  I would not believe the fitter.  She wants me in a D cup.  So my partner says, "You have a case of BSD, bra size denial."  Nipples are noticeably bigger now, darker.  Breasts are very heavy, so the bra becomes a survival device.  I even sleep in my bra.  [Groan]

Things are still going well at work. My boss is super.   I am dressing more and more feminine at work, thanks to my partner.  Other than my breasts, I am not ever going to be very girly looking or cute, but my hair is good now, and my "look" is getting there.  Got a "ma'am" at the Burger King drive through -- they must look down at a lot of cleavage every day.

So it is going good.

I'm almost eight months in on HRT, and still in guy mode for the near/medium term. That timetable might get sped up because of my breast growth, though. I'm right at the borderline where I can no longer pass "the girls" off as manboobs, but I'm conflicted... On one hand, I know that I'll have to get more aggressive about hiding them soon if I want to still pass as a "normal" guy. But on the other hand, I love my breasts, I'm proud of them, and I kinda want to show them off to a certain extent. Here's a pic.. I'm not sure it totally comes across here, but I'm almost a B-cup and still growing rapidly:

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Layering has been my friend so far, but as others have said that's going to get harder as summer approaches.

This thread needs to be marked as informative or something. I stumbled across a few gotchas and lots more howto's. My family does hugs all around for showing up and leaving. It hadn't even occurred to me that it might be a problem. I was also thinking being overweight would make it easier to hide. What was scaring me were the family outings to the beach/lake/pool. Not sure it's even possible to hide a bra under a wet t-shirt. No biggy though. I'm expecting to go fulltime in about 2 years. I can find myself working overtime every summer between now and then.

OK, here's a better one, I think. Honestly, I think they still read as "moobs" when I am clothed (they DON'T when I'm naked- yay!)... but I think I'm getting close to a tipping point.

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Quote from: JohnnieRamona on March 18, 2013, 07:52:26 AM
OK, here's a better one, I think. Honestly, I think they still read as "moobs" when I am clothed (they DON'T when I'm naked- yay!)... but I think I'm getting close to a tipping point.

In time they will be in the way, and you'll see them everytime you look down.

I thought this thread was forgotten, but here's my update on exposure.   Except for a six day trip to Michigan I've been wearing a bra every day and put on any womans top in the closet when around the house, or man shirt if I'm in the front yard or off to the store.  They are larger, but JoAnn says they might top ot soon because they're reaching that final stage.   >:(
Well, that's life.
Kathy

Quote from: kathy b on March 18, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
In time they will be in the way, and you'll see them everytime you look down.

I thought this thread was forgotten, but here's my update on exposure.   Except for a six day trip to Michigan I've been wearing a bra every day and put on any womans top in the closet when around the house, or man shirt if I'm in the front yard or off to the store.  They are larger, but JoAnn says they might top ot soon because they're reaching that final stage.   >:(
Well, that's life.
Kathy

Don't bet on it Kathy, I've been on HRT for close to 18 years and though I've lost a load of weight over the last three years, the boobs have once again had a new growth spurt. We are not governed by the same development criteria as that of a genetic female and thus their are a lot of different factors that come into play. Sensitivity of hormone receptors is one, the propensity for fat storage in gender typical areas like tummy and love handles as opposed to breasts and bottoms is another, and gravity.

Quote from: Shantel on March 18, 2013, 10:36:17 AM
Don't bet on it Kathy, I've been on HRT for close to 18 years and though I've lost a load of weight over the last three years, the boobs have once again had a new growth spurt. We are not governed by the same development criteria as that of a genetic female and thus their are a lot of different factors that come into play. Sensitivity of hormone receptors is one, the propensity for fat storage in gender typical areas like tummy and love handles as opposed to breasts and bottoms is another, and gravity.

Well.  Here I come EEE.  lol
Honestly Shantel, I pleased to hear that and I'd be glad to see one cup more some day. 

Kathy

I wear women's Racerback tanks with a built in shelf bra.  There are several brands and I wear a size smaller than I really need.  Over the tank, I wear a normal button down shirt that is one size larger than I need.  This gives me three layers with which to to hide the girls.  I wear this to work and I wear it when I go out with my wife.  There are a couple pf brands that can be worn and hugs are not an issue.  I get the kind that doesn't have the pronounced racerback but still has some for support to keep from giggling.  I'm 40D and the cup is getting tight.  The three layers hide the nips relatively well.   

Quote from: JLT1 on March 18, 2013, 11:35:48 PM
I wear women's Racerback tanks with a built in shelf bra.  There are several brands and I wear a size smaller than I really need.  Over the tank, I wear a normal button down shirt that is one size larger than I need.  This gives me three layers with which to to hide the girls.  I wear this to work and I wear it when I go out with my wife.  There are a couple pf brands that can be worn and hugs are not an issue.  I get the kind that doesn't have the pronounced racerback but still has some for support to keep from giggling.  I'm 40D and the cup is getting tight.  The three layers hide the nips relatively well.

I don't really hide them anymore, just tastefully cover them up with a tee or top at home, and a man's shirt while I'm out-and-about.  I don't toss them out for people to gawk at, but if things look a little top-heavy that's the way it goes.  My cotton Fruit of the Loom bras can allow the nips to show once in a while if the wrong shirt is worn., and  I keep track of what I'm wearing, especially now that winter is over out west. 

Since I'm definitely not full time I figured out the hard way there's some places where nail polish, a hot pink tee (even under a man's shirt), or women's sandals just shouldn't go.   1. Auto parts stores,  2. Parties at my sister's house when members of her church are there,  and 3. Small town cafes and restaurants in Northern Michigan. ... Oops.

Take care.
Kathy.

Quote from: kathy b on March 19, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
I don't really hide them anymore...

Same here, K.  A year ago, I was 75% of the time camouflaging my shape, mainly at work, never at home.  Now, it is pretty much 0%, by necessity since I have gotten larger in the last half year and pretty much have to wear my bra 24/7 hard to hide... as this thread is named.  I am 100% public now at work, everyone knows, no secrets.

It is good now, and my partner has always encouraged me to be proud of my shape.  "Don't hide your breasts!" she always says.  She has made a lot of difference. 

Nice large breasts after only 8 months of HRT???? Lots of us girls would kiss a frog for a nice large normal pair of breasts. I know I sure would.

Guess just hide as best you can & when your time comes to open up it will be easier.

Good luck.

I catch people staring at my very pokie boobs all the time when I wear a tight tshirt while in boy mode, I really don't even care that much anymore....let em look ;)


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Quote from: FrancisAnn on March 26, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
Nice large breasts after only 8 months of HRT???? Lots of us girls would kiss a frog for a nice large normal pair of breasts. I know I sure would.

For me the large size is partly from a terrible history of using large doses of over the counter meds that could have killed me, and then a few years of being way overweight.  Lost a lot of pounds, but still fighting that weight.   :'(

Kathy

When I'm out in boy mode hanging out with the guys, I'm usually wearing a soft bra and a T shirt and maybe a guy shirt opened down the front with the tails hanging out, sloppy joe style. Most of them know that their old bud is "different" but what really bugs me is when someone I haven't seen in several years shows up and gives me the open handed, male bonding guy slap across the chest. It nearly drives me to my knees.  >:(  Needless to say I'm limiting my time with the boys because of it.

Quote from: Shantel on March 30, 2013, 11:06:16 AM
When I'm out in boy mode hanging out with the guys, I'm usually wearing a soft bra and a T shirt and maybe a guy shirt opened down the front with the tails hanging out, sloppy joe style. Most of them know that their old bud is "different" but what really bugs me is when someone I haven't seen in several years shows up and gives me the open handed, male bonding guy slap across the chest. It nearly drives me to my knees.  >:(  Needless to say I'm limiting my time with the boys because of it.

LOL -  A friend played football in college and would give his friends a lighthearted forearm shiver as a greeting.  Not always good.

K

And then there is the "biker hug" greeting my riding friends like to give...A bra strap across your back could be a big "out" if your not wearing a thick coat ;)

Quote from: Michelle G on March 30, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
And then there is the "biker hug" greeting my riding friends like to give...A bra strap across your back could be a big "out" if your not wearing a thick coat ;)

Oh yes, and it's summer so no coats. 

K

Yep...."loose puppies" all summer ;)

Well for me my nipples didnt develop so in terms that isnt a factor when hiding, however i made a B cup and learnt fast they are a night mare to hide. All that works for me are tight sports bras, tight shirts and then baggy jackets. So far its the best way for me but hey in summer people if your even human standing next to them in winter clothing haha.

It helps if you can convince everyone you're really just fat. I walk around wearing whatever the heck I want and nobody suspects a thing. I think. 'Cept if I went to work in a men's small or so - I think things would turn obvious at that point. :|

I'm out everywhere in skinny jeans, tight colored T shirts with bra and no additional cover, no-one gives it a second glance and frankly I don't care because I know being afraid of what other's think is kind of stupid of us all. Be who you are and let them get over it. C'mon girls let's hear about some victories at overcoming this kind of social anxiety, you can do it if I can.

I am beginning to experience this...I had to quit wearing solid-color polos to work because it was becoming a little obvious there was something going on.  A pattern helps break up the visual, or a button-up.  Didn't expect this by now but like hell I'm going to complain.  ;)

I ended up moving up the date that I planned to go full-time work because I couldn't hide my breasts anymore. :) It was that or start binding, and I was afraid of what that would do to the developing tissue.

I might need to do the same thing, Jenna Marie.

JohnnieRamona : I hope you're OK with that... I didn't mind, since it only moved up the schedule by a month or so.

Quote from: Shantel on March 30, 2013, 02:43:59 PM
I'm out everywhere in skinny jeans, tight colored T shirts with bra and no additional cover, no-one gives it a second glance and frankly I don't care because I know being afraid of what other's think is kind of stupid of us all. Be who you are and let them get over it. C'mon girls let's hear about some victories at overcoming this kind of social anxiety, you can do it if I can.

I was never really "anxious" about my chest, always wanted a set of "girls"...within 6 months I had a bit more than nips, and decided to just let 'em grow, presenting as they came out (I'm ft, btw).

This would give people-and myself- time to get used to things, and reduce potential anxiety (if you'd asked me to wear a set of forms at 6 months, I'd have refused because of anxiety)...now I have B cups, and even though I catch a few people sneakin' peeks, it doesn't bother me.

Good posture helps bring the girls out, too. Slouching tends to reduce/conceal them.

I go everywhere, btw. Auto parts stores, churches, sporting good stores...even the tool section at Sears. ;)

Why do people want to hide their breasts if they are in transition?

The O.P. has left the site to focus on family.  She was an older transitioner, married, and had a very significant case of gynecomastia.

The process was particularly difficult for her.  I will remember her for her exceedingly sweet heart.

Why do you want to hide them in the first place? why go on HRT if you don't want breasts or you want to hide them? why transition? why mess around with HRT if you are not serious or you want to live on the fence?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 05, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Why do you want to hide them in the first place? why go on HRT if you don't want breasts or you want to hide them? why transition? why mess around with HRT if you are not serious or you want to live on the fence?

It may be a personal reason such as the decision of a stealth transition vs an open transition, also if your still part time it can be very awkward having a B cup chest.
I suffer from a minor case of gynecomastia and had almost a full B cup before hormones and when living as a guy it's really hard when your pecks look like boobage.

I wish mine were hard to hide! Then I'd be able to pass for being a butch it athletic chick lol

Naturally Blonde : In my case, it was just a situation with timing; I work in education, and wanted to transition over the summer and be ready for the kids to come back in the fall. I was perfectly ready to both have breasts and admit to them... just not YET. I figured it wasn't unreasonable to expect to be able to hide them for the first three or four months on hormones.

(As it turned out, I was a C cup by May, and gave up and did the whole public coming out thing earlier than planned.)

Not that anyone owes someone else a justification for what they've chosen for themselves, but I've also been happily transitioned for years now. I had no intention of "living on the fence" (but that's a valid choice too!).

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 05, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Why do you want to hide them in the first place? why go on HRT if you don't want breasts or you want to hide them? why transition? why mess around with HRT if you are not serious or you want to live on the fence?

Having an agreement to not involve the grandparents on the transition? Job opportunities? There is always a major reason that will force you to take out the old clothes again.



Speaking of which. Could you hide a C cup breast implant?

Quote from: Apple Sprout on November 05, 2013, 05:49:35 PM

Having an agreement to not involve the grandparents on the transition? Job opportunities? There is always a major reason that will force you to take out the old clothes again.



Speaking of which. Could you hide a C cup breast implant?

If your pockets are big enough....are you planning a heist at the plastic surgeon's office?

Quote from: <3 on November 05, 2013, 05:53:03 PM
If your pockets are big enough....are you planning a heist at the plastic surgeon's office?

Nope, but just keeping my arse covered in case I develop really ugly breasts. Saved money for years at the cost of having to live with my parents.

Quote from: Apple Sprout on November 05, 2013, 05:56:07 PM

Nope, but just keeping my arse covered in case I develop really ugly breasts. Saved money for years at the cost of having to live with my parents.

Right with you there. A and B cups for sure. Cs are pretty much a reduce under a binder and hope that you can wear a concealing garment.

I am wearing a shear bra presently. I guess I am about a 36 A and growing. My Mom and sister are DD and D so my therapist said to expect a C or perhaps a D. There is a lot at stake at home and work but more with my identity. So as my breasts grow I will wear a bra that fits well. I will come out at work when I am ready and can look decent ( hair, body and cloths) and present a professional outing presentation.

I like my boobies!

The beach this summer, panic already. My hair (pits, chest and legs) was fine but now re grows super slow and is really fine. May 28 will be my 1 year birthday and the beach will be traumatic. It was tough to take off my shirt before but now I will not be able. I love the beach.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 05, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Why do you want to hide them in the first place? why go on HRT if you don't want breasts or you want to hide them? why transition? why mess around with HRT if you are not serious or you want to live on the fence?

We've covered this before Naturally Blonde:

Quote from: luna nyan on September 10, 2012, 07:51:55 AM
*points to Androgyne and HRT thread (http://"https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,116344.0.html").*  Not everyone here fits in the binary.

There are some of us who want to be on low dose HRT to keep ourselves sane and are not in a position to transition.  The psych effects of HRT are mainly what those in that position are after, and some of the physical developments are less than desired and hence the desire to hide those changes.

And further more in that regards, my puppies haven't gotten much larger.  I have to admit it can be a fine line on balancing the meds and wanted/unwanted effects, but you'd be silly not going into this without considering the ramifications before starting.

A few years back I saw someone, dressed as a male, who not only had a huge beard but also a gigantic rack (with no obvious attempt to bind or conceal)... at the time I presumed trans guy, but having read this thread maybe it was someone who liked to sit right in the middle, sample the best of both worlds.

Quote from: Apple Sprout on November 05, 2013, 05:49:35 PM

Having an agreement to not involve the grandparents on the transition? Job opportunities? There is always a major reason that will force you to take out the old clothes again.



Speaking of which. Could you hide a C cup breast implant?

I wish I had a C cup, please don't make me envious of you!

I also understand there are pressures on some to conform and are not able to be themselves. But I'm not not clear why some want to take HRT develop breasts and then complain that they can't hide them?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 06, 2013, 04:37:41 AM
I wish I had a C cup, please don't make me envious of you!

I also understand there are pressures on some to conform and are not able to be themselves. But I'm not not clear why some want to take HRT develop breasts and then complain that they can't hide them?

Well, some people are still on the closet (my case!) and want to transition only after telling to their close parents, on the right moment, but the breast factor is what really dictates when you are going to tell your family, because it will get really obvious something is happening with your body.

I wish I could tell my mom only when I was ready, perhaps after one year or so on HRT and when I as feeling she was ready (the most important), but for some girls the breast can rapidly develop and they are forced to tell.

My family is not very open and I live with them. Recently we had some serious family problems and the last thing I want my mom to know right now is that her son is actually her daughter...but if my boobs become really visible, I will have to come out and tell her. It is never an easy thing to do and most people wish to delay it the maximum they can.

So, developing boobs is not a bad thing, it is great :D the problem is that it forces you to take a difficult step and tell everyone, your parents, your boss, your friends...

Quote from: Natalia on November 06, 2013, 05:26:01 AM
Well, some people are still on the closet (my case!) and want to transition only after telling to their close parents, on the right moment, but the breast factor is what really dictates when you are going to tell your family, because it will get really obvious something is happening with your body.

Things are very different in the U.K as it's much harder to get on HRT without full GD diagnosis and at least a year of attending a gender clinic. People often have to tell their parents or relatives prior to going on HRT that they are about to transition.

I'm one of the lucky ones I guess. I think it must be genetic, but as I begin transition I'm already  a full c cup. I love it. I still look male in my face. When I go out I always wear my bra. I just love the fit. It's fun because I catch guys looking at my chest all the time. I use to try to hide them , but its more fun having all different age guys look at me. I love being looked at. I'm hoping for d's with the hormones. I love having breasts. I love sharing my life with people like me. I'm so happy I found this place.

Quote from: evecrook on November 06, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
I'm one of the lucky ones I guess. I think it must be genetic, but as I begin transition I'm already  a full c cup. I love it. I still look male in my face. When I go out I always wear my bra. I just love the fit. It's fun because I catch guys looking at my chest all the time. I use to try to hide them , but its more fun having all different age guys look at me. I love being looked at. I'm hoping for d's with the hormones. I love having breasts. I love sharing my life with people like me. I'm so happy I found this place.

It is amazing to be here :D I am also a newcomer and quite happy! I was starting to think I was crazy with my ideas, with no one to talk to, but this forum gives you the strenght to keep fighting! Here you can meet new people that share so much with you! It is great to be a part of this big family! You are very welcome here, we are all sisters!

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 05, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Why do you want to hide them in the first place? why go on HRT if you don't want breasts or you want to hide them? why transition? why mess around with HRT if you are not serious or you want to live on the fence?

job, confidence, anxiety

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 27, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
Why do people want to hide their breasts if they are in transition?

Because they are not ready to take on discrimination.  I myself, am currently looking for work.  Jobs are notoriously difficult to get as presenting LGBT... emphasis on the T.  So securing said job and falling into EEOC protection is critical to my transition. . .  We, over on this side of the pond, do not have universal health care, and so must fund it either out of pocket, or through super expensive health insurance.  My only shot at transitioning the way I want to, is to have a good job with good health coverage.

The only way I'm getting that good job with good health coverage, is to secure employment BEFORE coming out.

How, Why, When, and Where I transition is best left up to me... Not you.  Every other form of medical care is provided on an urgency scale, or through informed consent.  Meaning if your life is in danger, they do whatever it takes to save your life.  If you're life is NOT in danger, they inform you of your options and let you make a decision.  Why must you insist on keeping us in a state of mistrust?  Do you prefer that we not have the choice like every cis-person?

So please for the love of all that is good in this world, let people choose for themselves how they want to live their life.

Quote from: HeatherR on November 07, 2013, 08:50:52 AM
Because they are not ready to take on discrimination.  I myself, am currently looking for work.  Jobs are notoriously difficult to get as presenting LGBT... emphasis on the T.  So securing said job and falling into EEOC protection is critical to my transition. . .  We, over on this side of the pond, do not have universal health care, and so must fund it either out of pocket, or through super expensive health insurance.  My only shot at transitioning the way I want to, is to have a good job with good health coverage.

The only way I'm getting that good job with good health coverage, is to secure employment BEFORE coming out.

How, Why, When, and Where I transition is best left up to me... Not you.  Every other form of medical care is provided on an urgency scale, or through informed consent.  Meaning if your life is in danger, they do whatever it takes to save your life.  If you're life is NOT in danger, they inform you of your options and let you make a decision.  Why must you insist on keeping us in a state of mistrust?  Do you prefer that we not have the choice like every cis-person?

So please for the love of all that is good in this world, let people choose for themselves how they want to live their life.

I understand that.  It's perhaps stated a little strong but I agree.  I also understand not addressing any transition in any way until one has the job.

I hide mine.  I am employed but my employer does not want me to go through the "awkward" phase while working.  So, it's present as male until I leave for FFS.  Then one month after FFS (while still healing), do the SRS and show up about 10-14 weeks after I left as a full and complete woman. 

Jen

I grew up as a tall skinny male with obvious pokie girl boobs, I quit hiding it when I was in my late teens since it was one of the few things "mother nature" got right about me.

I'm so used to second looks that a really dont even care...let em' look :)

If you always wear a jacket buttoned with a shirt it should look invisible and can even look like muscles.

yup hiding breast is tough after a while

Generous.  Are you still lactating?

Interesting topic.  I take low dose E for dysphoria, which is controlled with the occasional relapse.  The only other thing I am considering at the moment is an Orchi.  Breast growth I live with, indeed enjoy...but don't flaunt.  Each to their own.

Alex

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on September 06, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
I wear a bullet proof vest so hiding them ain't so bad but I do wear a danskin tank under everything.

Me too, am an A going on to B cup and the vest pretty much hides my boobs(ish), though I do have the problem of sweating under them (quite a lot). Was only concerned about people I dont know staring at me, regualr visitors pretty much ignore you but fortunately new people generally stare at my gun instead of my boobs so kinda is ok.

Quote from: HeatherR on November 07, 2013, 08:50:52 AM
Because they are not ready to take on discrimination.  I myself, am currently looking for work.  Jobs are notoriously difficult to get as presenting LGBT... emphasis on the T.  So securing said job and falling into EEOC protection is critical to my transition. . .  We, over on this side of the pond, do not have universal health care, and so must fund it either out of pocket, or through super expensive health insurance.  My only shot at transitioning the way I want to, is to have a good job with good health coverage.

The only way I'm getting that good job with good health coverage, is to secure employment BEFORE coming out.

How, Why, When, and Where I transition is best left up to me... Not you.  Every other form of medical care is provided on an urgency scale, or through informed consent.  Meaning if your life is in danger, they do whatever it takes to save your life.  If you're life is NOT in danger, they inform you of your options and let you make a decision.  Why must you insist on keeping us in a state of mistrust?  Do you prefer that we not have the choice like every cis-person?

So please for the love of all that is good in this world, let people choose for themselves how they want to live their life.

If that is really you in the picture you`re actually very pretty, hope it works out for you, really do.

QuoteO.K. so I now have a problem that I need some advice about.

There are many of us here who wish we had your "problem"!

QuoteIt is irksome to read some of the responses to this thread which criticize HRT use by those not currently presenting female. The idea that one should only go on HRT if one wishes to adhere to one side of the fence or the other is problematic

Exactly.  Why shouldn't a guy who normally presents as male not have large breasts, if he wants them.  As I've mentioned in other posts, I nicely fill a 38A bra and am very comfortable wearing all day to work, out with friends, etc..  However, that doesn't stop me from wanting more.

QuoteCan you expand on the seamless bra?  brand names where to buy etc.  please :-)

This is the one I wear daily:
http://www.barenecessities.com/anita-rosa-faia-twin-seamless-comfort-wire-free-bra-5493_product.htm?pf_id=Anita5493 (http://www.barenecessities.com/anita-rosa-faia-twin-seamless-comfort-wire-free-bra-5493_product.htm?pf_id=Anita5493)

It's quite comfortable and I love the feeling of my arm brushing up against it.

QuoteActually no, not if one doesn't want to and definitely not to suit the wishes of others! It's called freedom, something we all have here on this side of the pond!

Not if Trump gets his way.

QuoteGot in to see the doctor who had heard the whole thing he said "so you have a tooth abscess here's some antibiotics."

A bit OT, but I recently had a tooth pulled.  The dentist insisted I take antibiotics first, as otherwise the extraction pain would have been too much.  Apparently, the anesthetic they use does not work on infection pain.

Quote from: AnneK on May 07, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
A bit OT, but I recently had a tooth pulled.  The dentist insisted I take antibiotics first, as otherwise the extraction pain would have been too much.  Apparently, the anesthetic they use does not work on infection pain.

The infection is in the jaw as well. If they extract the tooth without getting that under control, they risk spreading the infection.

Quote from: drew2603 on May 07, 2017, 02:49:11 AM
Me too, am an A going on to B cup and the vest pretty much hides my boobs(ish), though I do have the problem of sweating under them (quite a lot). Was only concerned about people I dont know staring at me, regualr visitors pretty much ignore you but fortunately new people generally stare at my gun instead of my boobs so kinda is ok.

drew,

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Jackets like these would hide alot, but as summers coming up, and you're probably wearing T shirts, always wear them black because if you can create more of a silouette, you make your form more 2 dimensional.

Self confidence is the key. I am happy in myself, none dependant on what others think. The body is a beautiful thing, and some breast development enhances that beauty of the body shape. I still present and act as male due to social and work environments. I don't find there is a clash.

Well, summer is here and I love wearing tank tops most of the time and when I'm in town shopping or gawd forbid I go to the auto parts store I always catch men looking at my boobs, sometimes I go braless and they can be a bit perky and pointy and when I wear a bra of course they look more fuller and bigger. Anymore I just really don't care because so far no one has said anything our be weird about.
My spouse on the other hand teases me and sez "are you going out in public like that" when I'm braless....she always means well though 😉

This is the bra I wear. It didn't hide my nipples so I use nipple guards out of sport bra to slide in when I need too! This bra will be good till the twins reach c cups. 2 for 9$ and kinda sexy with lace trim. eBay USA shipped
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I was going to do a post on boobies growth, I have a natural a cup & hope starting HRT very shortly (privately) what sort of size should I expect! I do realize if different for each girl.
Sara

Quote from: coldHeart on July 08, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
I was going to do a post on boobies growth, I have a natural a cup & hope starting HRT very shortly (privately) what sort of size should I expect! I do realize if different for each girl.
Sara

It all depends on genetics and how you body reacts to the hormones.

The old school guide was one cup smaller than the women in your family, this may not always be true.. but the women in your family is a good guide.

For me, I come from a family of big breasted women,  (DD and DDD cups), except for my mother who wears a 34D bra.. I ended up with 36D cups, so technically bigger than her.

Don't even try to hide. It is just part of yourself, love and enjoy how you look.

After all, you are doing this for yourself and not for others.

I guess I am lucky in my transition as I have developed noticeable breasts after 14 months HRT, so I have learned to wear only slightly over-sized button-up shirts with a lot of design or pattern on them. Works quite well in most circumstances. I will sometimes wear tighter-fitting solid color shirts that really hide nothing at all and my breasts are obvious. Just all depends on where I plan to be and what I am doing...