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I like long guns and target shooting. I'd love one of those .50 calibre sniper rifles. Any gun fans here? Hugs, Devlyn

I'm more than a little biased towards the Sig 551
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although I'll probably start out with a self built AR-15 (with piston upper) in 7.62x39 because of cost.

Best day of my life was firing a  Browning M2 mounted on a tripod. You can't hold those paddles down and not walk away grinning like an idiot!

I am a bit of a gun nut myself. In fact, I just got a new Savage 270 this weekend. I have about 7 guns in my condo. I have a gun to hunt just about everything in North America.

btw, those .50 cal snipers are really fun to shoot.

Don't care for guns.  And hunting with one is not hunting.  Not when you can take down a deer at a 1/2 mile.  Hmmmmmm.  Maybe give a gun to the deer so they can shoot back. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FAnimals%2Fferret-4.gif&hash=34a3e40b48ee901ac7f4a696a28192c1777cff6e)

We have some pellet target pistols. That satisfies my need to shoot paper. The good thing about pellets is they don't cost much. They can be pretty fun from time to time.

When I took the kids into the mountains, to teach them how to shoot, we used clay pigeons and a 10-lb sack of potatoes.  Biodegradable.

Watermelons are nice too.

I used to shoot quite a bit, then moved to Mildura in the NW of Victoria, edge of top pig country.  I realised that after I had been there for 2 years I had not had the time to go out even once.  I sold my rifles and loading gear and stuck to fishing, as I didn't have to worry about safes and security.

At the time I had a 1911 8x57 Mauser (sporterised ex-military), a Savage lever in 243 Win, .45 cal underhammer muzzle loader, and a couple of .22s.

If I do get back into it, it will be black-powder I think.  Slow but fun.

Karen.

Hey, how about "snogging", hum?

Sure beats "Hunting/shooting" for me...  :laugh:

Just saying,
Axélle

Nice bit of spanking works just fine if I can find a girl who is a switch. ;)

Shooting is fun, give me a .22 and some targets and I can go all day, as for hunting, well I have the same problem with it I have with fishing, and that is I am all fine with eating or killing it is the um....cleaning, gutting cutting part I want none of, even with fish that is nasty, I couldn't imagine it on a deer.

Gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

I also like to target shoot with a bow, not a compound bow but you know like a real one. I find it quite a bit more fun than shooting a gun.

I had a friend who went bear hunting once and he almost quit hunting entirely.   They look like a human when skinned.

In my part of the country just about everybody owns guns & hunts. Not really much else to do. I own 5 rifles, 4 shotguns, 4 handguns 2 bows & a crossbow.  People never even give women a 2nd look in the outdoor stores. That was one of my wifes biggest concerns when I started transitioning, that I wouldnt want to go hunting or fishing with her any more . I've been an outdoor enthusiast my whole life, couldn't or wouldn't give it up if I had to.

I love shooting and hunting.  As a matter of fact, I was seriously thinking about gunsmithing school but then I saw where they are... And that's nowhere near me.

Shooting my .22 is a blast.  Cheap, quiet, easy.  It's also fun to show off to the 10/22 owners that sunk a few hundred into their rifle and my $150 Marlin outshoots it.  More the shooter than the rifle but I don't want to brag too much.

I'm not a big fan of the 7.62x39. 

Anyway, I currently have

- Marlin 795
- Remington 597
- Ar-15 (built myself, DI 20"barrel with a fixed stock and A2 upper)
- Marlin 336 (took my first three whitetail with this one.  Dad finally gave it to me after the firing pin took a poo and my little brother decided to take it apart and mess it up.  After a while it's up and working flawlessly now, just gotta realize it again and refinish the stock.)
- Beretta 92FS
- Ruger LC9

More to be added once I get back to the states.

I think I have mentioned this before, but it is an interesting little bit of English history.

In the Middle Ages, before the advent of firearms, the English were recognized as superior archers.  The reason for this was the tradition of villagers and yeomen, who more-or-less comprised a militia in the service of the local Lord, would go out to practice their archery at a place called "the butts."

Indeed, the tradition turned into a contest, with prizes being awarded for archery skills.  It is said that the person who won the contest was in charge of the next one.  That person held the title of "Butt Master."

No nasty jokes!

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Shooting at Butts

It stinks when the Butts shoot back. Ill bet you a farthing.

I love popping targets. I am for hunting for food, not trophies. I adored my friends 22 rifle. Was just so much dang fun.

Okay this guy was a-m-a-z-i-n-g

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Not much of a gun fan but if you shoot it you should eat it or wear it.Sport is boxing,football etc not blasting away at creatures and leaving them dead.

We have a little youth 20 pump... for snakes.

I'm to much of a girlie girl...
Like hunting? Yeesh I'm not walking in the bush
Hard to with heels and a short skirt anyways...

Although...I usually wind up the prey in the city so I geuss
I do partake one way or another

Quote from: Jamie D on May 04, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
Okay this guy was a-m-a-z-i-n-g

One of the few people who'd be Tom's peer died recently too.  Bob Munden could do amazing things with single action revolvers.   One my favorites is the two balloon trick here: 

Bob Munden - Fastest Gun Shot Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujvVmuLuoM#)

-mS

     Gave up hunting after 4 years in the military I think the animals should be able to shoot back!
    That would make it more sporting. I still have a good diverse collection and still use them as
     we have a bad feral dog problem and they just like to kill everything.
      Personally I like to fish I live a 1/4 mile from lake Okeechobee and fish 2-3 times a week
     don't even care if I catch anything  it's just nice to be on the water.

Hard to believe I haven't posted in this thread yet...

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 28, 2012, 07:42:51 PM
I like long guns and target shooting. I'd love one of those .50 calibre sniper rifles. Any gun fans here? Hugs, Devlyn

Used to be very big into it, very manly to know how to shoot, clean animals, etc.

For a while, I'd go out in the woods and go hiking with full kit (210 rounds) and blast it all (except for one mag/30 rounds..."just in case"), but then I noticed I started shooting less and less, and hiking more and more...until I was like, "wth am I doing, carrying 40 lbs of ALICE around on me?!"

Maybe I was gettin' old...over time I had a couple bad experiences with shooting animals (which I ate, btw...even the squirrels!) One time a friend shot a squirrel, but there wasn't anything usable left...but its mate came around right after and started chittering away at us, in an angry, enraged tone. You haven't been chewed out until you've heard an angry squirrel from 20' away. We joked about it (typical for 20-somethings), but it haunted me for years...still does.

The other incident was when deer hunting...shot a deer in the face at darn near point-blank range, she went down instantly, I ran up to her to be sure she was "gone"...but she was able to raise her bloody face and in her eyes I saw, "You ->-bleeped-<-ing BASTARD!"

Haven't gone hunting since. I realize that most people don't "see" these kinds of things, and I'm glad that they can still enjoy hunting. I like the meat, that's for sure...well, until lately.

I've been having more incidents where I can...I don't know, "sense" the death of the animal I'm eating. (That's gross, if you think about it...eating an animal...I feel like it should be sanitized a bit, like we're "consuming" it or something...)

I'm not sure if I'm weird, or somehow just very sensitive to things of a spiritual nature...I get similar sensations sometimes in thrift stores, like I'm picking up the life-thoughts of the old people in their stuff...

It's just real hard for me to deal with this.

But I still have my guns. I carry a .357 Sig daily. Killing in self-defense I like to *think* I wouldn't hesitate...but my soul-Being feels different now, has for the past 3-4 years.

Weird, hunh?  :-\

Definitely love to hunt and shoot whenever I have a chance.  I feel it is a great skill to have along with fire starting and camping. Hunting really makes me feel independent and actually know where my food comes from. With cattle and other animals, you may not know the treatment beforehand. And shooting is just overall fun if you're just plinking or playing with "range toys". Just be sure if you take anyone with you, make sure they know proper safety and handling of firearms. And start small, I can't tell you how fed up I am of "tough guys" giving their significant other a S&W500 (or insert other large recoil firearm) and expect a great show.

Quote from: buddy on May 04, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
     Gave up hunting after 4 years in the military I think the animals should be able to shoot back!
    That would make it more sporting. I still have a good diverse collection and still use them as
     we have a bad feral dog problem and they just like to kill everything.
      Personally I like to fish I live a 1/4 mile from lake Okeechobee and fish 2-3 times a week
     don't even care if I catch anything  it's just nice to be on the water.

That wouldn't be sport...that'd be combat. Never been in combat, but I'm told it sucks.

Besides, the animals aren't defenseless...they are in much better shape than most hunters, better able to camouflage themselves, smell odors better/farther away, and don't drink beer.

Quote from: DirtyFox on May 04, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
Definitely love to hunt and shoot whenever I have a chance.  I feel it is a great skill to have along with fire starting and camping. Hunting really makes me feel independent and actually know where my food comes from. With cattle and other animals, you may not know the treatment beforehand. And shooting is just overall fun if you're just plinking or playing with "range toys". Just be sure if you take anyone with you, make sure they know proper safety and handling of firearms. And start small, I can't tell you how fed up I am of "tough guys" giving their significant other a S&W500 (or insert other large recoil firearm) and expect a great show.

+1

An honorable man would never play a "joke" on someone by giving them a frickin' elephant gun, and tell them "Oh, there's no recoil..."

Yes, I have seen it done. The first time I didn't intervene...the next time, I sure as hell did.

I love to target shoot. Shotguns and me go way back :). I have fond memories of spending days with my dad on the range. I have not gone hunting yet, but who knows. A day at the range and a couple of friends. I can't think of a better stress reliever. The only problem I have is it is getting expensive to go :( I do enjoy fishing too though and that is just relaxing :)

Quote from: Fezzika on May 04, 2013, 11:57:44 PM
I haven't done this in a long time, but I used to do a lot of reloading.  My favorite load was to pack a 44 Mag case with as much slow burning powder it would hold, throw in a heavy semi wad cutter, then light off six in a row by holding the trigger and fanning the hammer.  The muzzle flash is about 3 feet long, most fun at twilight..

I did a similar thing with a full factory load in a indoor range some years ago. The Range Master turned all the lights off, it was pitch black, the muzzle flash looked like something you would see from an artillery piece. I never hit the target but it was great fun.

I was a member of Pistol Clubs, (I moved around a bit), for a number of years. I loved punching holes in paper but the best competition for me was air pistol. Very quiet, very slow but required great concentration. I really enjoyed the other comps but air pistol was best.

I agree with quite a few of others here, "If you shoot it then eat it or use it" and I did a bit of duck shooting, (they taste good) and roo shooting, (skins and dog meat). Until I went duck shooting on a private lake one day. It was a fund raising thing for a local service club. A lot of the shooters who turned up had over sized over powered boats and very expensive shotguns. They were dropping ducks and not picking them up or even checking that they were dead. I think that was the last time I went duck shooting.

   Beth, I to feel the animals and every thing else around me.Being very aware it seems like every living thing has some sort of soul and they all let me feel that.I hesitate to kill anything that is
just trying to live its life peacefully.The deer thing is horrible, been there done that it still haunts me.
   I also have visions and they usually come to fruition.Those few that have pierced my armor come to me the others say how did you know that.


And you thought you were crazy!


   

I used to go hunting a lot in my youth in northeastern mexico, mainly birds in my grandmothers ranch, oh I'd say...100 acre ranch, it was huge. I was taken a lot to nightly jackrabbit, quail and coyote hunting. Two out of three were for eating at family get togethers, and coyotes, were bad juju for cows. I'm more of a shooter now, er, have notgone out to shoot in a while(ie.6 months now, I used to go twice a month, I'd reload everything, except .22 of course). I'm former military(ie.5 years usmc mp), I know how to skin just about anything(ie.watched my uncles/aunts skin and prepare fresh kill of all kinds of critters(ie. yes they held my hand and schooled me on how to skin animals, from cows to snakes), snakes and eat them too, seriously), lol. I know about the hunting culture well. I presently own a motley of err...weapons?...lol...FN FAL(ie.brazlian IMBEL).308, Remington LTR, .308, Mossberg 500 12 shotgun, 10/22 Ruger, 9mm Hi Power Brownin, Ruger GP100 .357, snubby .357 5 shot by Taurus(ie.Yes I know how to properly use them, lol military trained). Yes I shoot them all, punching paper or metal targets, or even painted bottlecaps(ie.if I don't get caught at the range at the 300 yd line, shooting them).

Lucia
P.S. and I live in Southcentral L.A./Compton area of L.A(ie.those that know I have these weapons, think I'm a gun nut for California, but for Texas, eh...average Texan really)., lol. I may end up going back home to the South Texas region, but it would be alittle odd for a Hispanic woman to be hunting though, hmmmm, lol.

I'm glad Beth had an epiphany after her last experience. Reading her tale, I was shot through with pity and sadness and made me almost want to chuck up. I tend to over anthropomorphise and cannot help but do it. I can't even watch wild life documentaries any longer without breaking out in a sweat and switch them off if I'm about to see a fawn being pulled down by a predator etc. We don't see many guns here in the UK. I've only seen them carried by police at airports and haven't yet touched one.

I forgot to mention: Killing for pleasure. Is that not the biggest oxymoron ever devised?

I'm not sure what Bambi ever did to any of us? I see no reason to use these things unless for self defense. All the creatures on this planet with us are beautiful things. We should leave them alone & co exist.

I live on a farm with deer, rabbits, some foxes & numerous beautiful species of small & large birds.

No guns for me!!!

Quote from: FrancisAnn on May 05, 2013, 04:35:05 AM
I'm not sure what Bambi ever did to any of us? I see no reason to use these things unless for self defense. All the creatures on this planet with us are beautiful things. We should leave them alone & co exist.

I live on a farm with deer, rabbits, some foxes & numerous beautiful species of small & large birds.

No guns for me!!!

Keep in mind that we humans are, in fact, predators. Mammals which are prey animals have eyes on the sides of their heads (to better see the predator), and teeth for chewing plants...predators have eyes in the front, which focus on a common point just ahead of their hunting distance. They also have teeth designed to tear and chew meat, and if they omnivorous, have teeth which allows grinding as well.

So, humans are hunters by their physical nature. I'm not against hunting--and btw, very very few people "hunt" for the "simple pleasure of killing an animal"--if you truly believe that, you are horribly misinformed about how hunters actually are. Most hunt for the food it provides (when I hunted, I was making an average of $25/day at my job in Idaho, typical wages in any "right-to-work" state, btw; and could not feed my family of wife + 3 on that income. Yes, I was able to get skills to get a better job...but in the meantime wth am I to do? *MOST* hunters fall into this category, based on the people I met in the field...how many hunters have YOU actually met?)

And we do peacefully co-exist; this reminds me of a funny I read during the Cold War era:

QuoteAt a World's Fair one year, the Communists had a display called "peaceful co-existence." It consisted of a display pen, inside of which were 3 chickens and one fox, all of which were being very casual. Intrigued, an American asked, "How'd you get them to co-exist peacefully like this?" The Communist replied, "Oh, it is easy. Every so often we just throw in another chicken or two..."

;)

Sorry, I digress.

No one shoots "Bambi". The laws are quite specific on bucks and does, and often the number of points a buck must have, to be able to be "reduced to possession." And if perchance the deer *did* do something to us, well, we tend to eradicate those species (think what happened to the wolf and buffalo).

Now having said all that, I do have a strong spiritual connection with everything, very similar to Buddy (I also get what I call "48-hour notices" of impending crises; I have yet to develop it into a useful talent however). I consider myself to be well outside the 'normal' range of human knowledge and experience (neither superior nor inferior, just outside, because of my history) so I don't begrudge others their right to live as nature has made them. We are what we are.

Hunting is ok. Target shooting is ok. Self-defense is beyond just "ok", it's a fundamental right.

And while I understand the idea of anthropomorphizing animals with human emotions...if you've ever lived on a farm, or watched animals at play...they have an emotional existence which is very similar, if not identical to, our own levels of emotions. And some animals even have an intellect which is astounding, considering the species average. 

Quote from: buddy on May 04, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
     Gave up hunting after 4 years in the military I think the animals should be able to shoot back!
    That would make it more sporting. I still have a good diverse collection and still use them as
     we have a bad feral dog problem and they just like to kill everything.
      Personally I like to fish I live a 1/4 mile from lake Okeechobee and fish 2-3 times a week
     don't even care if I catch anything  it's just nice to be on the water.

I quit hunting for the same reason, time in a war zone gives you all the shooting practice you need and the targets are moving and they do shoot back. I have 22 firearms last count, reloading and bullet casting equipment as well, but they're all gathering dust in my shop until the national meltdown commences and the 911 calls go unanswered.

It's a fact that the deer and elk population is exceedingly greater on the North American continent than it was 100 years ago, partially due to game management efforts and like Fezzika has said, the depletion of predatory animals. Last time I had an elk in my crosshairs I decided not to shoot. I'd much rather buy a nice top sirloin steak at the local market rather than have to gut and quarter that monster and hump him up the hill to the road, pay to have him cut and wrapped, it's clearly not cost effective although the meat is hormone free and not so full of artery clogging fat. Just the same, they look beautiful and since he wasn't shooting at me I had to give him a pass. My hunting days are over unless it's wild turkey.  ;)

I love the flavor of elk meat, never shot one but have been on hunts where they had to be brought out...they're beautiful on the hoof, but OMG they are a monster to bring out...esp if one is at 6,000' msl and the mountainside is 45^ to vertical and rocky...and for some, the animal trails never go directly to the campsite... ::)

Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

The good thing about being a woman, though, is that (I'd imagine) you're far less likely to be considered an imminent threat when openly carrying. Taken seriously, sure. But gals with guns aren't exactly the stereotype of murderers.

There are those intriguing bra holsters if you want to hide it, though. Google 'em!

Quote from: ZoeM on May 23, 2013, 09:00:04 AM
The good thing about being a woman, though, is that (I'd imagine) you're far less likely to be considered an imminent threat when openly carrying. Taken seriously, sure. But gals with guns aren't exactly the stereotype of murderers.

There are those intriguing bra holsters if you want to hide it, though. Google 'em!

For example, 5.11 Tactical Women holster ;)

Quote from: Sammy on May 23, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
For example, 5.11 Tactical Women holster ;)

I actually looked into a bra holster, but they are all recommend for sub-compacts, i either carry a compact Glock 19, or a Kimber 1911 in 45cal...both being way too big for a bra holster....i even have troubles when i CCW as a guy sometimes because of my shirts getting hung on my grips lol.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

You have no idea how strange it is for anyone outside the USA to read this kind of thing ... Nowhere else in the western world would a woman - or a man, come to that - even consider carrying a gun around with them, unless they were an undercover cop. It would be totally illegal in any European country, Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc ...

Of course, if you ARE an undercover cop, or some kind of secret agent, it makes perfect sense! ;)

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 10:26:06 AM
I actually looked into a bra holster, but they are all recommend for sub-compacts, i either carry a compact Glock 19, or a Kimber 1911 in 45cal...both being way too big for a bra holster....i even have troubles when i CCW as a guy sometimes because of my shirts getting hung on my grips lol.

Well, all those big guns.. You surely are not compensating for something, are You ;) ?

By the way, carrying a gun is not illegal in all European countries - only in the most "civilised" ones :P. I sometimes take a blank shots snubnosed revolver, loaded with pepper/tear gas ammo with me if I have to carry larger amounts of cash with me, Otherwise, I usually have a very nasty pepper spray with me all the time.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

How funny is that :-) I actually like having my purse to carry off duty I guess it's all up to the person.....

Quote from: Sammy on May 23, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Well, all those big guns.. You surely are not compensating for something, are You ;) ?

By the way, carrying a gun is not illegal in all European countries - only in the most "civilised" ones :P. I sometimes take a blank shots snubnosed revolver, loaded with pepper/tear gas ammo with me if I have to carry larger amounts of cash with me, Otherwise, I usually have a very nasty pepper spray with me all the time.

Uuhhhhhhhh.........im compensating for having small boobs lol....but the Glock really isn't that big....9mm poly frame, 15rd magazine and a 3in barrel.....and nope not a cop....only type of law enforcement i would consider doing is FBI HRT....and that's only for the Glock 18 lol.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

Wear a moderate skirt and strap it to your thigh, or wouldn't that work? I am fairly thin

Quote from: vegie271 on May 23, 2013, 04:45:56 PM

Wear a moderate skirt and strap it to your thigh, or wouldn't that work? I am fairly thin

That would have some ups and downs, biggest down being having to reach under the skirt to get to the gun. But there is also the issue of the skirt getting hung up on the grip of the gun. Ohio law states that the firearm can not be visible inany way...so if say it's a white skirt and the black gun shows, i could loose my CCW, if the skirt hangs on the grip making it obvious, i could loose my CCW...but the under a skirt thing would work because it's easy to get to and easily hidden.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
That would have some ups and downs, biggest down being having to reach under the skirt to get to the gun. But there is also the issue of the skirt getting hung up on the grip of the gun. Ohio law states that the firearm can not be visible inany way...so if say it's a white skirt and the black gun shows, i could loose my CCW, if the skirt hangs on the grip making it obvious, i could loose my CCW...but the under a skirt thing would work because it's easy to get to and easily hidden.

OK well I wear almost entirely moderatley  loose denim skirts, a few black skirts, never white, I can't wear white if I wear white it is not white very long!  :(

W-wait, not only you have a gun, but you have several guns? Sorry, but no matter how or where you would be carrying that weapon, I'd freak out if I knew. That's just so scary. The US are scary. You walk around and everyone potentially has a gun and the right to have it. x_x Never, ever gonna move to the US. And actually I'm now more scared about traveling there.

Quote from: A on May 23, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
W-wait, not only you have a gun, but you have several guns? Sorry, but no matter how or where you would be carrying that weapon, I'd freak out if I knew. That's just so scary. The US are scary. You walk around and everyone potentially has a gun and the right to have it. x_x Never, ever gonna move to the US. And actually I'm now more scared about traveling there.

Definitely this!

Quote from: Miss Bungle on May 23, 2013, 06:06:36 PM
I don't know about all that. I've seen guns pulled on people for something as trivial as taking someone's seat at a card game or accidentally spilling someone's drink at a bar. I would say that by and large, American society is pretty sick.

I don't know, I  would prefer to be one of the armed ones but I cannot afford it, I just carry a stun gun since it  only cost me $100, (I can get a CCW where I live, just can't afford the sidearm and the paperwork on SSI, heck I can barely eat) I got raped and beaten to within an inch of my life last year.

Enough with the Guns.  How did a fun topic like this turn into carrying concealed weapons.

Quote from: A on May 23, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
W-wait, not only you have a gun, but you have several guns? Sorry, but no matter how or where you would be carrying that weapon, I'd freak out if I knew. That's just so scary. The US are scary. You walk around and everyone potentially has a gun and the right to have it. x_x Never, ever gonna move to the US. And actually I'm now more scared about traveling there.

Yup....i have a Glock 19 with 3 magazines, a Kimber 1911, a Stag Arms AR15 with 8 30rd magazines (i want a beta magazine but they are illegal in my state) a Savage 110 bolt action chambered to 338 lapua (sniper rifle accurate at half a mile, 2000yards)  an AK47 (civilian semi auto version) and am waiting for ATF clearance for a MAC 11 and several suppressors.

God i love my country!!!

Oh and yes there is law enforcement here, but average response time in the us is 5-8min....if you can call....the response, of a 9mm is about 1200 feet per second.....i trust the 9mm to respond first.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

when you said dropleg holster I thought of a garter first lol. I do like guns as well. For whatever reason I just pictured this cute girl with a gun on a garter.

Can we please stop talking about guns before this topic gets locked by a mod? (start another or something).

Women's fashion does not incorporate concealed guns. That's why I have such a problem wearing skinny jeans lol Tuck, tuck, tuck. hehehe I am gonna start wearing them though and I'm so excited. Anyhoo, yesterday it was really hot and I realized if I took off my shirt I would get arrested for indecent exposure. So that kinda sucks when it is sweltering.

Quote from: Lorri Kat on May 23, 2013, 09:43:27 PM
Uzi-does it kariann330       IMI Girls have more fun.  LOL  ;)

Uzi-does it!!!! that is a great pun!!!!

Quote from: kariann330 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Really the only thing i find as a big downside is having a harder time with is my CCW. I can't carry in my waistband like before because of printing either thru my jeans or my top. I know i can always toss my Glock in my purse, but if i get separated from my purse my gun can either be stolen, or used against me. Yes Ohio let's you open carry without a permit, but i can only imagine how many people would freak and call 911 if i go for a walk with my Glock in a dropleg holster....oi so many choices lol.

The trench coat is virtually unisex, as seen in the picture below.  It became popular about 100 years ago as military officers attire, and as you know, officers often carried sidearms.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.menstylefashion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2Fdifference-between-mens-and-womens-trench-coats.jpg&hash=5540290b6914885bc7cfdf776beb277d0999cdc0)

And don't worry.  I don't plan on locking the topic on my watch.  The issue of being able to defend yourself is something that fits with the opening post.  IN major metropolitan areas, where legal, I would urge my sisters here to carry mace or pepper spray.

Please note too, we have topic in the "Hobbies" section  dedicated to hunting and shooting issues.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125818.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125818.0.html)

I read somewhere that in most dangerous situations carrying a self-defense weapon like pepper or a firearm will go against you, because the attacker will know you're dangerous and thus want to suppress you more, and also because the weapon can be turned against you.

Honestly, I don't believe in carrying weapons. I'm not an expert but I'm almost sure the number of lives saved in emergency situations are vastly outweighed by the number of deaths because weapons are available. This doesn't concern things like pepper spray, but still. If scared and/or a little drunk, one can easily exaggerate the danger of a person and harm, kill or provoke an otherwise harmless person if they have a gun. Not to mention the fact that guns being so easily available and almost unregulated, criminals can have a huge laugh as they don't even have to smuggle to get a pistol or even automatic gun to go kill tons of innocents.

In Canada such people would either have connections with the deep criminal world or be much more poorly equipped, with a hunting rifle, for example. Not to mention we would know who had what weapon, for what reason, and what their history with it is. Well, this doesn't work right now because the Conservatives are severely lacking in the brain area and abolished the firearm register and were in a hurry to destroy all data, but provinces have stopped the descruction and are mounting the same thing again at their own level.

Here, when a drunk gets furious in a bar, he might brawl with customers, break bottles on people orother such things. In the US, he might pull out his handgun and either shoot someone, either provoke someone into shooting him.

Why Americans still support weapons is a mystery to me. Like death penalty. As far as I know, for both of these, there's strong, reliable evidence that they do much more bad than good to society.

...Sorry, I feel like I've made this a bit more political than intended.

I hate guns so I think I'll get this thread back on topic! I don't think any of these things I'm about to list I hate but I have a dislike for.
5 Finding out just because some thing is in your size doesn't mean it fits! ???
4 Going from wearing small size in men's clothes to large in women's! :-\
3 Trying to find that gorgeous shoe you just seen in a 12! :'(
2 Pockets that can't even hold my phone!  :o
1 The feeling I'll never be pretty enough!  :'(

Quote from: A on May 24, 2013, 12:26:36 AM
I read somewhere that in most dangerous situations carrying a self-defense weapon like pepper or a firearm will go against you, because the attacker will know you're dangerous and thus want to suppress you more, and also because the weapon can be turned against you.

Aww, but You dont have to inform him beforehands that You have mace or pepper spray - that is what makes them wonderful to use - unlike with firearms, where at least in my country, You have to give the warning shot. Just quickly take it out, use it and get away from there. I have had several situations in my life when this kind of preemptive response resolves the issue before it got violent and ugly - nobody got hurt, expect for the "bad guys" who had quite uncomfortable feelings afterwards. The most important is not to wait until it gets too late - like it all gets physical, close distance (You might get affected by spray too), You are already grabbed - but as soon as You are pretty sure about his intentions,  just steal the initiative and use the opening on him.

And SUDDENLY, as guns are out of this equation, this thread gets significantly less attention ;).

I was trained around guns and have been to three wars. Guns (any weapon) are just another tool-- And like tools, they have their place. I've seen so many people, men and women injured in fights, domestic violence, rapes, war, etc. and it's pretty horrible. Despite all that I've seen, as a male I've never been scared to walk alone at night, even in the worst places. Now that I'm transitioning and I see my muscle going down the drain, literally, I've been warned about the realities of being female living in a big city-Los Angeles. I was walking with a female friend on the Venice boardwalk late one night last week and she moved closer to me as we passed street people, teenage boys, and the occasional 51-51. I felt bad that as liberating as transition is to the soul, being female may mean losing some of my independence.

I'm not suggesting carrying a weapon, but I do believe it's a personal decision. In three decades in medicine or working as a helicopter pilot, I don't remember a single violent attack victim being injured after using a defensive weapon for self defense, with the obvious exception of soldiers .

Quote from: A on May 29, 2013, 08:58:16 AM
Seriously, I've never seen or heard of such risks that would require carrying a weapon... This is going to sound stupid, but do you need to do something special to put yourself at risk like that? Like, I dunno, walking alone, almost naked, in the middle of the night, in a scary back alley, and throwing insults at dangerous-looking people? oo' I'm not trying to say everyone is being careless or anything; I just want to illustrate how little danger I feel, and understand where that danger (or at the very least perceived danger) everyone on this forum seems to feel comes from.

It's not a fear that compels someone to CCW, it's not even a desire for self defense, it's a combination of situational awareness and being prepared for anything. When your in a major city where criminals illegally posses firearms, and gangs illegally obtain select fire weapons (full auto) and people don't break into a house or apartment alone but in groups of two or larger it's knowing that you will survive. Scary fact, 9 out of 10 times when police respond to a home invasion in the US, if someone is home at the time, they respond in time to document a home invasion and a homicide ifthe home owners are unarmed.

I don't carry because im scared, i don't have a gun hidden in my couch because im scared, i don't keep my carry gun in my nightstand because im scared, i do it because i know if a situation arises IF i can call 911, i know that with the 5-9 min response time i will.either be dead or badly beaten. My owning a gun takes the decision away from a criminal as to who gets outlined in chalk, but gives it to me, and the law will 9\10 times be on your side if that happens. Also contrary to popular belief, laws in the US do not require a "warning shot" like some countries due to Castle Law and Stand You Ground Laws that allow the use of deadly force if the situation.warrants it. But before people in other countries think all we have to do is pull and fire, self defense laws require you attempt to.find a way to resolve or escape an issue before using deadly force, we aren't gun toting psychopaths, and in order to obtain a CCW the background check is even deeper and more involved then the FBI background checks required to purchase a gun

The subject says hunting and shooting and I don't see where it says why I hate being a girl or whatever, but i'll mix it up a bit. Since I am a pretty androgynous type I'm sure that casual passers by in my neighborhood must think I'm some kind of feminine pushover, maybe gay or some kind of pussy. My spouse and I live alone in a nice home, we're seniors and probably look like real pushovers for a home invasion robbery.

We were watching a movie on the TV in a back room, all the lights in front rooms were off except the porch light. Suddenly I heard a loud banging on my front door so I pulled my 12 gauge pump out of the closet, the magazine is loaded alternately with 00 Buckshot and #4 Buckshot, so without turning on the lights I racked a round in the chamber and moved into the living room. They couldn't see me, but I saw three man standing there framed in the light banging incessantly on my door. I could have called the police and they would have shown up in about ten minutes sirens and lights on and these dorks would have been forewarned and left. I unlocked the door with a loud snapping sound of the solid brass Assa lock and backed into the room and waited for the door to come flying open with a loud bang. I was thinking that I should have written down the phone number of a business that cleans up homes and patches walls after homicides and acts of violence. They got spooked at my coolness and stealth when I said nothing and left in a hurry rather than take a chance of catching a load of buckshot in the chops at point blank range. For a moment I was no longer a potential victim. All the wussies can feel free to hate guns, but I trust myself more than the police in a situation like this. Generally the police do nothing more than take a report over the still steaming corpse of the poor victim.

Shan, the weapons posts have been split out of another thread and moved here as this is a more appropriate location for that discussion.

Quote from: Shantel on May 29, 2013, 05:37:56 PM
The subject says hunting and shooting and I don't see where it says why I hate being a girl or whatever, but i'll mix it up a bit. Since I am a pretty androgynous type I'm sure that casual passers by in my neighborhood must think I'm some kind of feminine pushover, maybe gay or some kind of pussy. My spouse and I live alone in a nice home, we're seniors and probably look like real pushovers for a home invasion robbery.

We were watching a movie on the TV in a back room, all the lights in front rooms were off except the porch light. Suddenly I heard a loud banging on my front door so I pulled my 12 gauge pump out of the closet, the magazine is loaded alternately with 00 Buckshot and #4 Buckshot, so without turning on the lights I racked a round in the chamber and moved into the living room. They couldn't see me, but I saw three man standing there framed in the light banging incessantly on my door. I could have called the police and they would have shown up in about ten minutes sirens and lights on and these dorks would have been forewarned and left. I unlocked the door with a loud snapping sound of the solid brass Assa lock and backed into the room and waited for the door to come flying open with a loud bang. I was thinking that I should have written down the phone number of a business that cleans up homes and patches walls after homicides and acts of violence. They got spooked at my coolness and stealth when I said nothing and left in a hurry rather than take a chance of catching a load of buckshot in the chops at point blank range. For a moment I was no longer a potential victim. All the wussies can feel free to hate guns, but I trust myself more than the police in a situation like this. Generally the police do nothing more than take a report over the still steaming corpse of the poor victim.

And one day you'll kill a loved one.

In Melbourne, Australia, last year there were 16 deaths evolving guns.
Fair enough, hunt for sport, but pulling out a gun when you hear a bang on the door is a shocking way to live.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 29, 2013, 12:33:23 PM
It's not a fear that compels someone to CCW, it's not even a desire for self defense, it's a combination of situational awareness and being prepared for anything. When your in a major city where criminals illegally posses firearms, and gangs illegally obtain select fire weapons (full auto) and people don't break into a house or apartment alone but in groups of two or larger it's knowing that you will survive. Scary fact, 9 out of 10 times when police respond to a home invasion in the US, if someone is home at the time, they respond in time to document a home invasion and a homicide ifthe home owners are unarmed.

I don't carry because im scared, i don't have a gun hidden in my couch because im scared, i don't keep my carry gun in my nightstand because im scared, i do it because i know if a situation arises IF i can call 911, i know that with the 5-9 min response time i will.either be dead or badly beaten. My owning a gun takes the decision away from a criminal as to who gets outlined in chalk, but gives it to me, and the law will 9\10 times be on your side if that happens. Also contrary to popular belief, laws in the US do not require a "warning shot" like some countries due to Castle Law and Stand You Ground Laws that allow the use of deadly force if the situation.warrants it. But before people in other countries think all we have to do is pull and fire, self defense laws require you attempt to.find a way to resolve or escape an issue before using deadly force, we aren't gun toting psychopaths, and in order to obtain a CCW the background check is even deeper and more involved then the FBI background checks required to purchase a gun

The law in every western country states that you are only allowed to use reasonable force.

Ie. someone breaks into your home and has a baseball bat and you kill them with a gun, you will face a host of charges.
If they have a gun, you may be fine, you'll be in trouble if you could get yourself & any members of your family of people in the house safely.
Whatever happens, you'll go broke fighting the charges in court.

Quote from: Nicole on May 29, 2013, 06:03:41 PM
The law in every western country states that you are only allowed to use reasonable force.

Ie. someone breaks into your home and has a baseball bat and you kill them with a gun, you will face a host of charges.
If they have a gun, you may be fine, you'll be in trouble if you could get yourself & any members of your family of people in the house safely.
Whatever happens, you'll go broke fighting the charges in court.

Home invaders usually brutalize their victims, three men in their 20's and thirties are a clear danger to a seventy year old and a sixty six year old woman. Buckshot would create a more level playing field, and at the time there was no way to determine if they were armed. There's not a prosecutor in my state that would attempt to prosecute. I don't want to argue the point, I'm no fool and know my rights here.

Quote from: Shantel on May 29, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Home invaders usually brutalize their victims, three men in their 20's and thirties are a clear danger to a seventy year old and a sixty six year old woman. Buckshot would create a more level playing field, and at the time there was no way to determine if they were armed. There's not a prosecutor in my state that would attempt to prosecute. I don't want to argue the point, I'm no fool and know my rights here.

I'm not sure, but isn't the law about actually knowing they are armed? I'm not sure, and I'm not even sure if it differs with the Canadian laws, but uhm... I think I remember something about not thinking, but knowing with a reasonable degree of certainty that you would probably die if you didn't kill. Something like that? I'm not arguing for or against what you did; not saying it's wrong. I'm just curious about the strictly legal aspect.

Also those people who tried to attack you are weird, aren't they? Normally home invaders would either enter silently from when you don't see them and steal things or attack you from behind, either gently knock at the door so you're not scared and on guard, and then surprise-attack you, wouldn't they? I wonder what their goal was.

.............Shocking. So someone runs away with your purse (or even a chocolate bar in a convenience store, since the law you cited seems to define theft as a serious crime without distinction of actual seriousness, although I doubt it's interpreted that bad), and it's legal and appropriate to murder them in return? Geez, that sounds scaringly similar to the Arab laws regarding vengeance, where doing something to someone is always okay if they've done you something judged equivalent.

Texas: Added to places never to visit.

Seriously, I can understand killing someone when you think they'll probably kill you or someone else, or even just harm you, in grave cases, but stealing and entering a private property, really? I wonder if some rebellious teenagers have been shot for using a stranger's pool in the middle of the night. :/

Quote from: A on May 30, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
I wonder if some rebellious teenagers have been shot for using a stranger's pool in the middle of the night. :/

Yes it has happened. One guy shot a 10 year old for kicking a soccer ball into his yard. Most people in the USA are for responsible gun regulations though. Most people will not shoot an intruder on their property. But in your house? That is a clear and present danger. What kind of person breaks into someone's house when people are in there? How guns are perceived in the US all depends where you live. It's not black and white.

I finally got to shoot my Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun. It kept dropping shells when I cycled through. And empty shells sometimes stuck instead of ejecting. After stripping it down, cleaning it and bending a couple of parts, its cycling like a champ. But I need to buy a tactical stock now. The shotgun is too long for me to shoot comfortably. Luckily, this is just my home defence gun. My next one will be either a bolt-action Marlin, a Nagant or a Colt M-4.

Quote from: A on May 29, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
I'm not sure, but isn't the law about actually knowing they are armed? I'm not sure, and I'm not even sure if it differs with the Canadian laws, but uhm... I think I remember something about not thinking, but knowing with a reasonable degree of certainty that you would probably die if you didn't kill. Something like that? I'm not arguing for or against what you did; not saying it's wrong. I'm just curious about the strictly legal aspect.

Also those people who tried to attack you are weird, aren't they? Normally home invaders would either enter silently from when you don't see them and steal things or attack you from behind, either gently knock at the door so you're not scared and on guard, and then surprise-attack you, wouldn't they? I wonder what their goal was.

I suppose I should have opened the door and asked them if they were armed before I got my shotgun. BTW - Home invaders love to pick on older retired folks, because they usually have money and a lot of things. They like to bang on the door and when you open it they push it in your face knocking you off your feet and then commence brutalizing the hell out of you. I think it would be pretty stupid to make any assumptions about whether they are armed or what their motives are when it's clear that you don't know them and they don't live in the neighborhood.

I'm currently saving up for a .22LR, possibly going to do a bullpup mod to it. I'm leaning towards a Ruger, but I'm not set on anything yet. Currently have access to a .303 enfield from 1918, but we have no ammo for it, and a Taurus 9mm. Also no ammo for the handgun. We are going to get ammo and kill some paper. :P I'm more about target shooting, plinking, and general watermelon homicide, but I wouldn't mind doing a little squirrel heard thinning.

I've shot a .22 before, was a rifle. I believe it was a Ruger. It was a lot of fun, and my friend, who owned that rifle, did teach me basics on firearm safety.

I've been running some snaps through the Taurus, giving me a good education on how to clean, load, discharge, safe, disassemble, reassemble, and correct malfunctions in it without using live ammo.

Biggest pro for a .22LR rifle is noise. I can get a nice weapon, silencer, and some subsonic ammo for shooting here, not require hearing protection, and the neighbors/my hosts won't get annoyed at the constant sound of gunfire. Doing research, watching videos on safety and etiquette, and most of all, taking my time. :D

Just killed two racoons that got into the attic. I hate them things.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 16, 2013, 07:07:11 PM
Just killed two racoons that got into the attic. I hate them things.

My grandfather had to keep the trashcans lids at his lake house attached with bungee cords, or the coons would get into them.

But yum, dinner!

And as we know, 'coonskin hats never go out of style!

Nice, I would have made a mess of my attic with that, though! I went up there with the .177 pellet rifle, a flashlight, and a bat, in case things went bad. They didn't, two shots, two kills. I flung the carcasses out the second story window with a snow shovel. That's how Devlyn rolls.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
Nice, I would have made a mess of my attic with that, though! I went up there with the .177 pellet rifle, a flashlight, and a bat, in case things went bad. They didn't, two shots, two kills. I flung the carcasses out the second story window with a snow shovel. That's how Devlyn rolls.

Oh Honey, you are a killer..I tell you hot shot!

Probably head shots.

Quick dispatch.

Jamie beat me to it, hollow points and head shots. They were staring right at me.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 16, 2013, 07:21:19 PM
Now I gotta figure out a way to repair it, using some Naugahyde type material to make it more durable.

http://www.katzkin.com/ (http://www.katzkin.com/)
just saying.

When I used to have to get critters like that out of people's chimneys, I used to use starting fluid to knock 'em out, then set them free later in a different location. They may have woke up with a bit of a headache, but they were ok after that.

I've had them in the chimney, too. Starting fluid, huh? Flick a match and I'll bet you could put a raccoon in orbit! Safety first, kids, extinguish all pilot lights and shut off power before spraying starting  fluid in your chimney. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Flan on July 16, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
http://www.katzkin.com/ (http://www.katzkin.com/)
just saying.

$2000+ for a seat cover? Even if it does replace the OEM cover, I have surgeries to save for! :D

(However, I am taking donations or grants...;) )

It's dark now, and I hear something bumping around up there. Expect another body count tomorrow, I already washed the attic dust off, so I'm not going back up there tonight.

Quote from: jrd on July 16, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
When I used to have to get critters like that out of people's chimneys, I used to use starting fluid to knock 'em out, then set them free later in a different location. They may have woke up with a bit of a headache, but they were ok after that.

Yeah, be sure and butt your smoke first Miss raccoon relocator.

Quote from: JulieR on July 16, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
Nice shootin Tex, That's decent for a pellet gun

It's a nice Crosman break barrel, 1250 feet per second. Hollow point through the brain makes a big mess. Lotta blood on the insulation up there.

Quote from: JulieR on July 16, 2013, 09:07:38 PM
Whatsa matter?  Ya skeered?

Nope, I'm showered, cool, and clean, not climbing in fiberglass with smelly varmints again tonight. I'm assuming I shot mom, and now the kits came out.

OMG eww I don't know how you ladies do it! I saw a rat scurry out of a trash can as I was walking to the subway platform and I nearly screeched and jumped back with my arms in the air like I was being jacked by some thug. Plus if I killed something I'd feel soooo bad.

I killed a beetle the other day, and I was all upset and yelling at it after I squashed it with a Stephen King book. (I knew his books were good for something. Certainly not entertainment lol JK hehe).

Though if I had an AK 47 i would be killing rats all day long. I only ever shot a gun once--a .22 silver handgun that my first boyfriend in high school let me shoot. It was so so fun even though I am a terrible shot. I have always wanted to go to a shooting range and stuff but the friends i had that went never invite me for guy things like that. And they didn't/don't know I am trans. They just thought i'm a bisexual tiny femme guy. Femmy guys don't get invited to shooting ranges or get thrown the frisbee lol Hopefully now though my BF will take me. He has some guns and we have talked about it. I gotta start nagging him lol

I love shooting. Hunting is OK for food if need be although I feel really bad about killing anything. Cleaning though is the absolute worst. I can't stand the thought of the insides on the outside.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 16, 2013, 09:18:16 PM
It's a nice Crosman break barrel, 1250 feet per second. Hollow point through the brain makes a big mess. Lotta blood on the insulation up there.

Nope, I'm showered, cool, and clean, not climbing in fiberglass with smelly varmints again tonight. I'm assuming I shot mom, and now the kits came out.

I discovered that I had a few rat middens living under my house in the crawl space. I fed them all a couple of pounds of rat poison in stick form, basically Warfarin. They all died and rotted under there, my house smelled awful for a couple of weeks. I found where they were getting in and blocked it. Meanwhile the flies came up out of the foundation vents and covered one outside wall, I'd kill them by the thousands each day. The big rat draw was the bird feeder, I have it wired and plug it in every night, they get 110 volts when they get up there.  >:-)

I think the rats that died from the Warfarin were getting the last laugh when I got a clot and had to go on Warfarin myself, something to do with Karma . >:(

Quote from: Shantel on July 16, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
Yeah, be sure and butt your smoke first Miss raccoon relocator.

Its just ether and it works well so long as there isn't a lot of ventilation going on and you can keep from breathing it yourself.  And I'm someone who will fill their lawnmower from a gascan with a cigarette in my hand. What's the worse that can happen, really...

Quote from: JulieR on July 17, 2013, 03:53:22 PM
Ether is a different animal.  It has a very low flash point and a detonation index much higher than gasoline.  Have a lot of respect for that stuff or you'll pay a very high and unnecessary price.

Yeah, I don't smoke around that stuff. or oxy/acetylene. 

Target shooting, I couldn't hurt anything bigger than a fly but paper targets don't breath!

Tbh due to Finland's strict gun laws I haven't been able to practice with long guns in years. The nearest rifle range for me would be ~60miles away and to get a license I'd have to go there regularly for around 1 year, shoot with rented (expensive) equipment, have all my progress written to a shooting diary by the range inspector and then with luck the police maybe would give me a license to buy own rifle. Acquiring own handgun here is even harder nowadays due to unfortunate school shootings we too have suffered. However some indoor firing ranges here offer handgun shooting with rented weapons in fair price and I've visited them a couple of times.

And of course tried a variety of firearms while serving in military. I had Kalashnikov variant (RK-95, 7.62, folding stock) as my service weapon. Also got trained to use Sako TRG42 .338 sniper rifle briefly and fired a couple of belts from PKM as well.

Maybe if the gun laws here ever get loosened I'll get into rifle ranges again. :)

I recently picked up an AK 74 on a Bulgarian Nodak Spud receiver. If i can figure out how to post pics to the forum ill gladly share one of it.

I have yet to start hunting properly but I've been looking into both it and trapping for food and population control. It seems like a very rewarding hobby but I'm not really sure how to branch into learning how to shoot, though I have someone willing to teach me. I may just ask them soon, here, and then I can learn everything proper. So much to learn!

Quote from: Crowley on February 25, 2014, 02:01:20 AM
I have yet to start hunting properly but I've been looking into both it and trapping for food and population control. It seems like a very rewarding hobby but I'm not really sure how to branch into learning how to shoot, though I have someone willing to teach me. I may just ask them soon, here, and then I can learn everything proper. So much to learn!

Hi Crowley,
         Best place to get some instruction is at your local range, they usually offer classes taught by NRA certified instructors.

Quote from: Shantel on February 25, 2014, 08:34:22 AM
Hi Crowley,
         Best place to get some instruction is at your local range, they usually offer classes taught by NRA certified instructors.

Another idea is to go to someone like me who is former military and has a range on there property. I have taught several friends and my SO how to shoot safety. I'm even going to be teaching my friends 9yr old this weekend with a suppressed 22cal handgun.

Biggest thing to remember regardless of how experienced you are with your weapon and even if you know it's clear, always stay aimed down range and keep your finger off the bang switch at all times. I don't know if it's loaded or not and muzzling someone can get you in a bad situation.

Quote from: kariann330 on March 12, 2014, 12:35:13 AM
Biggest thing to remember regardless of how experienced you are with your weapon and even if you know it's clear, always stay aimed down range and keep your finger off the bang switch at all times. I don't know if it's loaded or not and muzzling someone can get you in a bad situation.

I second this. It's always loaded, even when it's not.

Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

Don't worry hon, it isn't going to happen!

Quote from: Shantel on March 16, 2014, 08:40:58 PM
Don't worry hon, it isn't going to happen!

Best comment I've heard all day.

I've always been a fan of old school levers and revolvers. Henry's, 1866's, 1894's, colt army's and navys...
Something about the aesthetic and elegant simplicity of the machine.

Not to mention I'm a steampunk junkie, and anything that resembles doc Emmet Brown's sniper Winchester from back to the future gets me all giddy and geeking out :P

I have a 112 year old gun with side by side barrels and exposed hammers that was given to me. It has no serial number and was typical of what some old German craftsman in the Black Forest would have made. The stock is beautiful and the metal work is scrolled and has an early type of patina and a flip up rear sight. The right side barrel is 11 x 51mm and the left side barrel is a Damascus 16 ga. I cut down some 45-70 brass cases and necked them down to 11mm, got a 375 grain bullet mold and made up some rounds with a real low pressure smokeless powder that shoots well. First shot at 50 yds went through the X ring and amazed me and everyone else watching. I purchased some full length brass 16 ga shells and loaded up a few round ball rounds, some buckshot rounds and some #6 birdshot using FFG black powder as Damascus barrels can't take a lot of pressure and were designed for black powder only, they shot well as could be expected too. I did some research and found that collectors will pay $2400 for one and oddly enough the guy that gave it to me tried to buy it back for $300 once he found that it could be fired and that I had created ammo for it.
Uh - sorry pal, I never ask for gifts back, it's really bad form.  :D

Quote from: Shantel on March 18, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
I have a 112 year old gun with side by side barrels and exposed hammers that was given to me. It has no serial number and was typical of what some old German craftsman in the Black Forest would have made. The stock is beautiful and the metal work is scrolled and has an early type of patina and a flip up rear sight. The right side barrel is 11 x 51mm and the left side barrel is a Damascus 16 ga. I cut down some 45-70 brass cases and necked them down to 11mm, got a 375 grain bullet mold and made up some rounds with a real low pressure smokeless powder that shoots well. First shot at 50 yds went through the X ring and amazed me and everyone else watching. I purchased some full length brass 16 ga shells and loaded up a few round ball rounds, some buckshot rounds and some #6 birdshot using FFG black powder as Damascus barrels can't take a lot of pressure and were designed for black powder only, they shot well as could be expected too. I did some research and found that collectors will pay $2400 for one and oddly enough the guy that gave it to me tried to buy it back for $300 once he found that it could be fired and that I had created ammo for it.
Uh - sorry pal, I never ask for gifts back, it's really bad form.  :D

Sweet! i love old finds like that. Kep it and I'm sure it'll only go up in value!

Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

take my approach to it in the event it does happen. 1 NEVER register your guns and or magazines. 2 Buy pelican cases for all of them. 3, Stockpile ammo now, I already have over 2,000 rounds for my AK. 4 Have a bug out bag/Im not coming home bag ready to go at all times, mine sits by the front door with my tactical vest which is also loaded up and ready to go. 5, have 2 or 3 planned spots to get to in the woods so when the stuff hits the fan your safe.

Bottom line, remember this, if you don't tell the government what you have, they can't come take them from you.

Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 12:39:26 PM

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

Which is always the case contrary to what the media would want to acknowledge. Nice post Ellie!

I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 12:39:26 PM

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

All the more reason I say never register your guns and buy pelican cases for them. Pelican cases are air tight and water proof. If the government says they are using background check to find and confiscate unregistered firearms, bury them in your back yard or at your bug out location. If they start asking where they are, you sold them at the local gun store instead of registering them and threw away the paperwork.

History will repeat itself, "when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes responsibility" James from Tactical Response

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

In regards with shooting for sport/poaching, I couldn't agree more. It's a waste of life and inhumane. However in regards to people who hunt an animal because they need the food/fur/other parts is something else entirely. Sometimes there is no alternative, and there are only so many earthworms and tree roots you can eat.

And in regards to whole fit hitting the Shan topic, if/when supermarkets start to shut down and packaged food runs scarce, you have to make do with what you can find, grow or hunt.

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

I'm not big on trophy hunting. I do appreciate wild game, though. Really; if you have ever eaten moose... mmmmm.
What I learned from hunting: if you want to eat meat, something has to die. It taught me to respect the life of the animal I am eating and to not waste what came from that animal. I think everyone who eats meat should, at least once in their life, kill and dress what it is that they are eating. It had a profound affect on me. I don't hunt anymore, but I maintain my license. I still eat meat, not as much as I used to, but whenever I prepare a meal of it, I thank the animal it came from.

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

In this country wild game management by various states has become big business and hunters bring the various states a lot of revenue in terms of licensing and fees, to say nothing of what they bring as income to rural communities. Most hunters are respectful of the game they shoot, it gets cut, wrapped and goes into the freezer, eventually finding it's way on the dinner table, hormone free and much healthier meat than the farmed meat from the local market. I used to hunt big game but find it's much easier to go down to the local market and pick up a nice top sirloin steak, anyway I don't consume as much red meat as I once did.. The game management people have built up the Deer and Elk population much greater than it was 100 years ago when the US was much less populated. In the eastern part of my state wild turkeys abound and have become a pest in the view of some home and farm owners who have to contend with them perching all over their roofs, porches, barns and vehicles. Smoked wild turkey is delicious and much healthier to eat than store bought turkey.

I like target shooting, but I don't like the gun lobby.

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 02:28:07 PM

I'm not big on trophy hunting. I do appreciate wild game, though. Really; if you have ever eaten moose... mmmmm.
What I learned from hunting: if you want to eat meat, something has to die. It taught me to respect the life of the animal I am eating and to not waste what came from that animal. I think everyone who eats meat should, at least once in their life, kill and dress what it is that they are eating. It had a profound affect on me. I don't hunt anymore, but I maintain my license. I still eat meat, not as much as I used to, but whenever I prepare a meal of it, I thank the animal it came from.

I once read an account of a plains Indian that killed a deer and as he prepared to dress it he thanked the Great Spirit for the animal's life, I thought that was very reverent and I believe that is the attitude people who hunt should generally have. So far I have not met a hunter who killed just for the sheer joy of killing something. Having been in combat many years ago, my last hunting trip was when I was looking at a bullet exit wound on an elk and it brought back more than I cared to remember. Though if I needed the meat and had no other alternative I wouldn't have any problem taking up hunting again.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:32:02 PM
I like target shooting, but I don't like the gun lobby.

It's ok Jean, we won't hold it against you dear. We wouldn't be target shooting though if it weren't for the gun lobby regardless of how obnoxious you may think they are, they're just keeping the anti-gun rhetoric balanced.

Quote from: Shantel on March 19, 2014, 02:40:59 PM
It's ok Jean, we won't hold it against you dear. We wouldn't be target shooting though if it weren't for the gun lobby regardless of how obnoxious you may think they are, they're just keeping the anti-gun rhetoric balanced.

Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

They don't come from the ranks of legal firearms owners although a few mentally deranged occasionally get past the basic checks which makes it clear that the current process is flawed and for the time being it' incumbent on those knowing individuals that are clearly deranged to step forward and say something rather than wait until they run amok. Most of the shootings nation-wide are carried out by illegal gun owners. But look Jean, we've beat this dead horse to death here in the past so I'm not going to take it any further. You have my best regards hon.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

Sorry Jean, I just had to weigh in here. Way up here in the frozen north we have some pretty strict controls on who can legally own  a firearm. The regulations are tight. To get a license, that would be just to buy and own one, that is, you have to take a week long course and pass a written exam (passmark is 94%), and also a practical exam (identifying and handling firearms). In addition, you need two written references (the referees will be interviewed by police) and if you are married, your spouse will also be interviewed. When you store or transport a firearm, it has to be unloaded, disabled from firing and cased. The ammunition has to be stored separately. You are not allowed to load a firearm unless it is at a place designated for that purpose. You need additional licensing to own a handgun. You can't carry a handgun in Canada, unless you are a licensed carrier of insured money (armoured car) or you are an officer of the court. All of these rules and yet we still see this:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html)

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 03:15:14 PM

Sorry Jean, I just had to weigh in here. Way up here in the frozen north we have some pretty strict controls on who can legally own  a firearm. The regulations are tight. To get a license, that would be just to buy and own one, that is, you have to take a week long course and pass a written exam (passmark is 94%), and also a practical exam (identifying and handling firearms). In addition, you need two written references (the referees will be interviewed by police) and if you are married, your spouse will also be interviewed. When you store or transport a firearm, it has to be unloaded, disabled from firing and cased. The ammunition has to be stored separately. You are not allowed to load a firearm unless it is at a place designated for that purpose. You need additional licensing to own a handgun. You can't carry a handgun in Canada, unless you are a licensed carrier of insured money (armoured car) or you are an officer of the court. All of these rules and yet we still see this:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html)

That's an improvement over what we have in the US. Most of our major cities have 3-10 times the murder rate that Toronto does.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 03:50:53 PM
That's an improvement over what we have in the US. Most of our major cities have 3-10 times the murder rate that Toronto does.

My best argument: Kennesaw GA.
I know this is a very contentious issue. I know people are dying. All I am saying is that it won't stop because of some laws. I can't prescribe for the US, the culture is different there than here in the Dominion of Canada. I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is an answer, but I would be very cautious about relinquishing your freedom for some imagined sense of security. Your own Ben Franklin had something to say about that. Ok, I'm done here, I don't want this to deteriorate into a silly divisive argument so I politely withdraw.

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 04:15:46 PM
My best argument: Kennesaw GA.
I know this is a very contentious issue. I know people are dying. All I am saying is that it won't stop because of some laws. I can't prescribe for the US, the culture is different there than here in the Dominion of Canada. I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is an answer, but I would be very cautious about relinquishing your freedom for some imagined sense of security. Your own Ben Franklin had something to say about that. Ok, I'm done here, I don't want this to deteriorate into a silly divisive argument so I politely withdraw.

Yeah well speaking from a country where all firearms are pretty darn prohibited (Finland), I just read from news less than 30min ago how there has once again been shooting in one small town nearby, thankfully once again nobody's hit but yeah, laws don't do anything to prevent those. :(

Though we don't really have gun violence like many other country and we don't have real "gangs" either... But we got these small groups of say for, Gypsy families who are sometimes arguing with another gypsy families in some gas station in the middle of nowhere.. Or.. immigrants arguing against "pro-finnish" (practically racists) people after having a lil too much alcohol. Illegal firearms are many especially among immigrants and very easy to get since Russia, baltic states, eastern europe are quite near.

Here using firearms is always a huge thing in media, big headlines "SHOOTING IN TOWN SQUARE" and luckily here people rarely shoot to kill - to wound, maybe, but it's rare to read about coldblooded murders. Usually it's some small groups of people having an argument after drinking too much and then someone draws a handgun and shoots a couple of shots to the air and everyone runs off. Those incidents happens at least once in a month, I haven't been really following, but usually there is one headline about use of illegal firearms at least once in every month in the newspapers. This is what's going on in our city area. On countryside there is lots of old WW2 era weapons still owned by people, we've very strong "Pro-Finland" attitude and patriotism in the countryside so people who had relatives fighting against the Soviet Union back then value those old guns as a trophies even today, maybe 25% of them are licensed, many are hidden by old veterans themselves "just in case the commies come back" (it's not unusual here that somebody's grandfather has an old submachine gun in his attic "just in case I still need it". Soldiers during the war also made many caches to the forests etc in case the country ever gets invaded and they'd have had to start guerrilla warfare and those caches are still sometimes found.

Yet, we have almost zero tolerance for legal firearms today. All legal firearms are licensed, to get a permission to own a legal firearm here you have to have a "valid" reason to begin with. These are target shooting and hunting almost exclusively. Or business/collecting. Self defense is not a valid reason. For target shooting, you've to be able to prove that you have practiced for at least 2 years, once in a month (with rented equipment from the local ranges), you've clear criminal record, no history of mental illness, many other criterias and finally you'll be interviewed by two different police officers who will give a verdict whether or not they -feel- like you could be trusted with a type of firearm you're trying to get (they both have to agree, if either of them doesn't - no license.) or whether you should be given a license to acquire a different one, say for, if you're trying to get 7,62 AK variant as a first rifle for target shooting they will almost definitely turn you down and maybe, just maybe, give you a license to acquire .22LR for "starting your hobby". Sometimes if they just don't -feel- that you're trustworthy enough, they'll just drop your applications altogether and tell you that they are sorry but you do not meet the requirements to possess a firearm in this land of free people.

Other beautiful laws here state that we do not have carrying licenses at all. You're only allowed to carry a firearm in public when you're on your way to the range or taking it for the repair or for a potentional buyer pretty much. And even then it must be fully concealed at all times, safety on, have empty chamber, no magazine attached, no cartridges in (de-attached) magazine, the de-attached magazine must be in different container than the firearm itself (like, firearm in it's own case on your back and magazines and bullets in your handbag, this is for the hypothetical "if someone figures you're carrying a rifle and steals it, he can't shoot it 'cause it doesn't have bullets" situation) :)

We've unfortunately seen a few mass shootings in the past few years which have tightened the gun legislation and attitudes of the police officers in handling over the licenses since they think that is the way to prevent those from happening, even if in all the three cases the persons who went into shooting rampage had acquired their guns 100% legally, all done by the books, even practiced in local ranges and were a members of our shooting organizations, so there wouldn't really be any way to stop them from doing what they did with more strict regulations. In followup of those incidents the new licenses given for handguns have dropped to almost zero in past two years, police has now taken the attitude that nobody needs to own a handgun because clearly long guns are less effective in their mindset. (two of the three mass shootings were committed by using .22LR pistols, one with a hunting rifle, and now they are saying that they want to prohibit every semi-auto handgun, especially those "tactical scary looking pistols" that "shoot unnecessary powerful cartridges" because "no sport shooter ever needs semi-auto or more than 3 rounds in pistol magazine" so yeah, they don't even know what they are talking about.)

So hold on to your second amendment. I'd very much like to get shoot with long guns again, but due to our laws I practically cannot get my own and shooting with a rented guns for 60min (for a high pricetag) is just.. meh. I'd spend half of the time adjusting sights every darn time before I'd even get to the actual practicing.

EDIT: Forget to mention, hunter gets it easy here if living outside the city areas. They only need to present a valid hunting license to the police to get regular shotgun (pump-action ones are prohibited totally) or even .308, depending of which type of game they are hunting if the two officers just agree and criminal records etc are clear. Officers may sometimes do changes to caliber with these too, if one is trying to get "too powerful" rifle for small game hunting for example, they'll just give a license for "more suitable" gun instead. AK-variants and AR-15 etc are no-no for hunting here too, it's got to be bolt-action rifle pretty much.

Just wondering because of the new import ban, does anyone know of any one selling spam cans of 5.45X39 that are still sealed? I love the 7n6 round and don't really care about corrosive primers. I'm almost willing to do a black market deal lol.

I like putting holes in paper with a loud bang, too!  Mostly handguns, but have a few long guns.  Going to be building Nikki and my GF their own pink rifle in the foreseeable future.   >:-)