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Sure it's stealing. Of course it's wrong. Have you ever done it? I used to rob the corner store blind! Wish I had a nickel for all those nickel candy bars I stole!

When I was in high school,I worked in a record store in a mall. We had deals going with people at other stores in the mall, they would take from us and we would take from them.

Lots and lots and lots of times.

As a kid I used to take chocolate bars from the counter, but then the storeowner told my stepdad and I got the crap beat out of me.

So no more shoplifting since I was 9 :P.

Most shops I've encountered are simply too heavy for me to lift.

(har har ... ha? :( )

Anyway, yes. I've done it needlessly and regretted it. Never got caught though.

Quote from: Slightly Interested on September 16, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
Most shops I've encountered are simply too heavy for me to lift.

(har har ... ha? :( )

That was so funny!  :laugh:

Anyways, no, I have never shoplifted an item in my life. I never really want many things, so I have no motivation to shoplift. Also, I have a set list of stores and restaurants that I go to. I make it an effort to talk even to complete strangers since I'm a pretty social person and like to make friends. As a result of all of this familiarity, I have tabs at every store or restaurant I go to. If I don't have the money on me, they actually let me take an item and I pay them back by the end of the month. My tabs never really totaled more than $40 on any given month, so everything's good.

Diana, you can have a seat over there on the "Group W" bench!

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 16, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
Diana, you can have a seat over there on the "Group W" bench!

What?

Alices Restaurant!

No way, my parents raised me better than that, with more respect for other people and their work, and, in the end, way too much respect for myself and my abilities.  Why would I have needed to do that?  I could have mowed another lawn, shoveled another driveway, got another paper route and that way what I had was mine because I earned it.  Sometimes when I was young it seemed stupid, but as I grew up what I learned was that integrity was uniform.  If a person couldn't be trusted with a nickle candy bar, then trusting that person with ten dollars was beyond stupid.  And it sets patterns that continue.  Kids who cheat at school never learn to really do the work, so later on, when they are in a situation where they can't cheat they lose because they also don't know where to find the inner reserves needed to do the work.  That's why people who are always looking for the easy way never find it panning out because there really is no easy way. 

The much bigger thing, which pretty much took me till middle age to really see play out is the same basic principal as Oprah's Law of Attraction.  You think you're getting away with it, but people know.  Deep in their heart, or by reading you, or by a very basic intuition.  And the good ones avoid you and well, cheaters find cheaters, thieves find thieves, and people who lie tend to get lied to.  A lot.

You know, the same way that the people who seem the most intolerant, and the least accepting are exactly the ones who complain that no one accepts them.

And, in the end, there is nothing cute or humorous about it.  There is no moral difference between stealing a candy bar or a car, it's the same, only the value - but never the VALUES - change.

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
No way, my parents raised me better than that, with more respect for other people and their work, and, in the end, way too much respect for myself and my abilities.  Why would I have needed to do that?  I could have mowed another lawn, shoveled another driveway, got another paper route and that way what I had was mine because I earned it.  Sometimes when I was young it seemed stupid, but as I grew up what I learned was that integrity was uniform.  If a person couldn't be trusted with a nickle candy bar, then trusting that person with ten dollars was beyond stupid.  And it sets patterns that continue.  Kids who cheat at school never learn to really do the work, so later on, when they are in a situation where they can't cheat they lose because they also don't know where to find the inner reserves needed to do the work.  That's why people who are always looking for the easy way never find it panning out because there really is no easy way. 

The much bigger thing, which pretty much took me till middle age to really see play out is the same basic principal as Oprah's Law of Attraction.  You think you're getting away with it, but people know.  Deep in their heart, or by reading you, or by a very basic intuition.  And the good ones avoid you and well, cheaters find cheaters, thieves find thieves, and people who lie tend to get lied to.  A lot.

You know, the same way that the people who seem the most intolerant, and the least accepting are exactly the ones who complain that no one accepts them.

And, in the end, there is nothing cute or humorous about it.  There is no moral difference between stealing a candy bar or a car, it's the same, only the value - but never the VALUES - change.

That was deep. And to think you have 18 thousand and more posts. If they're all that long, you must type really fast.

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
No way, my parents raised me better than that, with more respect for other people and their work, and, in the end, way too much respect for myself and my abilities.  Why would I have needed to do that?  I could have mowed another lawn, shoveled another driveway, got another paper route and that way what I had was mine because I earned it.  Sometimes when I was young it seemed stupid, but as I grew up what I learned was that integrity was uniform.  If a person couldn't be trusted with a nickle candy bar, then trusting that person with ten dollars was beyond stupid.  And it sets patterns that continue.  Kids who cheat at school never learn to really do the work, so later on, when they are in a situation where they can't cheat they lose because they also don't know where to find the inner reserves needed to do the work.  That's why people who are always looking for the easy way never find it panning out because there really is no easy way. 

The much bigger thing, which pretty much took me till middle age to really see play out is the same basic principal as Oprah's Law of Attraction.  You think you're getting away with it, but people know.  Deep in their heart, or by reading you, or by a very basic intuition.  And the good ones avoid you and well, cheaters find cheaters, thieves find thieves, and people who lie tend to get lied to.  A lot.

You know, the same way that the people who seem the most intolerant, and the least accepting are exactly the ones who complain that no one accepts them.

And, in the end, there is nothing cute or humorous about it.  There is no moral difference between stealing a candy bar or a car, it's the same, only the value - but never the VALUES - change.

The Group W bench is getting crowded!

Yep and I felt so bad about it, even more so when I got caught cause my daddy tanned my hide something good.

Coupla times... Nothing I feel either ashamed, or proud, of.

Just crap that a kid did a long time ago...

I'm reckoning Group 'W' will not be confronted with photographic evidence?

When i was a kid I "acquired" a few "free" things at the local convenient mart.  Luckily I grew out of that phase pretty quickly without any bad consequences.

As a child, yes.  And the worst thing was my Dad finding out.  Not only get a spanking, but I would ether have to return the item, pay for it out of my allowance and also have to apologize to the store owner.

Quote from: Sadie May on September 16, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
I'm reckoning Group 'W' will not be confronted with photographic evidence?

Not unless it was photo-shopped. Never stole a thing in my life. I wouldn't like it if someone stole from me, so I don't do it to them. I'm a goody-two-shoes in the sense of my collective morals.

Not only the collective morals stuff, but also the entire family thing, where doing it in the first place is a great shame on your parents, and making light of it is a second shame on them.  What are we supposed to think about your parents when you act like this?  That they had better things to do than raise you right?

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Not only the collective morals stuff, but also the entire family thing, where doing it in the first place is a great shame on your parents, and making light of it is a second shame on them.  What are we supposed to think about your parents when you act like this?  That they had better things to do than raise you right?

Yup, they did. They had much better things to do.

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Not only the collective morals stuff, but also the entire family thing, where doing it in the first place is a great shame on your parents, and making light of it is a second shame on them.  What are we supposed to think about your parents when you act like this?  That they had better things to do than raise you right?

Well, my dad's a druggy hippy who glorifies anti-capitalism. He, though infrequently, would 5-finger discount things. I love him, of course, but not everyone has a highly moral upbringing.

Regardless of whether illegal behavior is learned or not, it's something that I was ashamed of for a good while.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 16, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
Diana, you can have a seat over there on the "Group W" bench!

If she didn't do anything, it wouldn't be group w bench for her. That's for mother rapers, father stabbers, father rapers and litterers(that also create a nuisance).

I never shoplifted, not even as a kid. I work in a store now and have to watch out for that sort of thing.

Yeah, I type very fast, residue stuff from grad school and mostly Mavis Beacon.

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It's all about the touch, I used to practice and even worked for a year or so with a bandanna covering my hands on the keyboard, if you look, you lose.

One of the interesting moral concepts of right and wrong is how right or wrong something is.  Stealing candy bars versus stealing money from the open cash box. Then stealing a purse from the handbag, from where next. People can 'justify' their behaviour with often increasing levels of sophistication. 'It wasn't my fault I stole the, money, purse etc, it was their fault for tempting me. They should have closed the till or handbag.

It moves through life in an insidious manner. Yes I sort of forced her to hold my penis but she was OK with it, girls expect their guy to be pushy. Well she cannot say no when I'm desperate and I bought her the movie ticket.  She looked so good she turned me on. I just needed relief, it didn't really hurt her. She was drunk, who cares it was her fault. No that's not rape, god I'd never rape someone.

I was only 10km over the limit. They shouldn't have stepped off the curb. Silly b*****r put their brakes on too early. They lost control so I hit them.

We had a few drinks and this guy looked at me wrong, so I sucker punched him. I didn't mean to kill him, it was his fault for looking at me.

Humans can justify almost anything. We have Governments who now justify murder because the person is a terrorist. Strangely the terrorist justify's random murder because of the politics of the country.

God is on the side who wins.

Sorry but I have built my personal beliefs on self respect and respect for others. I have sinned, mea culpa, but I also know the difference in right and wrong, and stealing a candy bar is wrong, just the same as rape, murder and theft is wrong.  And we can desensitise people by saying that there  is a little wrong and a big wrong. No, there is just right and wrong.

Never. Once I exploited a online banking error to buy a game on the internet for "free", but at the next day I was so depressed that I bought it for real.

NO. NEVER. My conscience could never do it. The guilt from stealing would always overwhelm me. Recently, I discovered I hadn't paid for something as I was getting into my car from some shopping. I walked back into the shop, into a queue and paid for it.   :P