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I've noted this on seve several websites along with GLBTQ LGBTQAI.

How about if you put them in order of your gender variance?
Mine would be,
QTABGL
:D

Quote from: Joann on September 21, 2012, 08:31:53 AM
I've noted this on seve several websites along with GLBTQ LGBTQAI.

How about if you put them in order of your gender variance?
Mine would be,
QTABGL
:D

I always write it LGBT, because that has been the standard order for sometime, I guess if I wanted to say TLBG I could too but that feels awkward to me.

One guess why some people want to change it, male dominance in our society.

GLBT seems to turn up more in the US - I've never seen it here in the UK, it's always LGBT etc.

seriously? there are enough LGBT pride events turned into Gay pride events - but honestly is a name so important that one would trample on the emotions, feelings and needs of other like minded individuals just because they do not belong to the same minority as they are?

across the world Gay rights have usually been recognized first before Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender. Some countries have recognized gay rights but not the others or don't support the others as much.

edit: I guess what I am trying to say is that other groups also need their share of recognition to have their issues as well as their legal and other rights sorted out and by hogging the limelight but removing or pushing others from the name you then force all the attention on yourself even though you may no longer need it while others who were in the position they were a few years ago you prevent them from getting their fair share of justice which is just as bad as what others did to them then.

edit2: I think I have properly confused myself with the pronouns in that post. Urg sooo badly need to sleep.

the oganisation started out as GLBT and a number of years ago it was changed to LGBT

either is acceptable as a general rule

Quote from: cynthialee on September 21, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
the oganisation started out as GLBT and a number of years ago it was changed to LGBT

This is my impression too. GLBT isn't new, it's the old order that some folks still use out of habit.

Interesting thing is that that order--GLBT--kind of contains in archaeological strata, as it were, the order in which recognition and support started to come. At first, it was all about gay men, and lesbian women were virtually invisible. Then lesbians started to assert their existence and their issues more effectively. It's only now that bi and transgender identities are starting to make a blip on the public consciousness. Or at least that's how it looks to me.

I usually see it written as LGBT. Personally, I use BGLT for two reasons. One, it's alphabetic order and two, it puts bisexuals first. I'm bi and have gotten a lot of static from the G and L. So, I put the B first.

GLBT is the older version. LGBT is waayyy easier to say. I know that's not why they changed it. But still. el-ge-be-te. My tongue likes it.

I'm all for Queer replacing the lot, but too many people are not okay with that. And GSM isn't bad, but it sounds more research paper-y than community.

Quote from: Stephe on September 21, 2012, 09:47:31 AM
One guess why some people want to change it, male dominance in our society.

I very much doubt that the misogynistc gay men out there are trying to find a way to assert their dominance and oppress "womyn-folk", if anything, that would be a more lesbian role :D

It hasn't changed.
It's just a less common variation of LGBT.
I've seen it years ago too.

I was under the impression that GLBT used to be more common but that it was trending toward LGBT. My co-host encouraged me to go with that because GLBT sounds too close to a sandwich (BLT).

Alexia, I think you are putting too much thought into the acronym set up.

When people changed it to LGBT from GLBT, no one was hogging no spotlight.

With that said, I've seen a lot more LGBT than GLBT. It's easier to say and it's not as male dominated. I don't say TLGB because it's harder to say. Plus, there's a lot more lesbians and gay people than trans..i usually agree in the order in which how many there are....which probably would be BGLT, but that's a headache to say lol

I don't even think about it honestly. I just type glbt or lgbt, rarely will I include the rest. Because that's a lot of alphabet soup to be honest.

After the first five letters of acronyms, I get confused.  ;)

I had once heard that putting the L first was preferable to counteract misogyny.

Quote from: Jamie D on September 21, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
After the first five letters of acronyms, I get confused.  ;)

Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG (http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3899608042/quiltbag) for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

Arghhhhh!

Quote from: Jamie D on September 21, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
Arghhhhh!

Yeah, it can be like that.

But at the same time, I think the idea is to be inclusive. I guess there are those who will say the idea of inclusion is being taken too far and that some of the letters in the extended acronyms are redundant. But for those who are represented by those extra letters, it's not redundant at all.

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG (http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3899608042/quiltbag) for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

QUILTBAG... I like that too.

The nice thing about quiltbag (if you like it) is that each of the letters stands for more than one thing.

Quote from: Padma on September 21, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
The nice thing about quiltbag (if you like it) is that each of the letters stands for more than one thing.

Yeah, I like that part about it, too.

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG (http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3899608042/quiltbag) for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

Missing T or 2S for Two Spirited.


Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:28 PM
Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

Kinda makes one nostalgic for just "queer" which meant anything bigots objected to.

Quote from: agfrommd on September 21, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
Kinda makes one nostalgic for just "queer" which meant anything bigots objected to.

I usually describe myself as trans* and queer.

Yes, Queer seems to be universally understood. Androgyny takes at least 10 mins to explain.

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:45:24 PM
I had once heard that putting the L first was preferable to counteract misogyny.

Ok, I really don't think the order of GLBT or TGLB or whatever you want to call it is a sort of misogynistic agenda. No need to be so sensitive, ladies.

Quote from: Jamie D on September 21, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
After the first five letters of acronyms, I get confused.  ;)

How about the only elements that can form truly non-polar covalent bonds?
HONClBrIF (Pronounced "Honklebrif")  :) :icon_wave-nerd:

As for the original question of this thread: Why should anyone care?

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:28 PM

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG (http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3899608042/quiltbag) for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

Missing T or 2S for Two Spirited.


Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

The problem with both of those is that the purpose for having an acronym is to make something easy to remember, and easy to understand.

Having 12+ letters in anything--let alone an acronym--is generally hard to pronounce, let alone remember and understand.

LGBTQ or GLBTQ, as preferred by whoever is saying it, is adequate. If someone gets their panties in a wad over the order of the letter(s)...they need to CHILL OUT and consider the general public, for whom the acronym is intended. (Among ourselves, we know what those 12+ letters stand for, and how they're different...the public does not, nor is it inclined to spend 45 minutes listening to someone explaining)

imho

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 21, 2012, 09:07:36 PM

If someone gets their panties in a wad over the order of the letter(s)...they need to CHILL OUT and consider the general public, for whom the acronym is intended. (Among ourselves, we know what those 12+ letters stand for, and how they're different...the public does not, nor is it inclined to spend 45 minutes listening to someone explaining)

imho

Un wadding my painties with a glass of wine right now.  :D















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Quote from: DianaP on September 21, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
Ok, I really don't think the order of GLBT or TGLB or whatever you want to call it is a sort of misogynistic agenda. No need to be so sensitive, ladies.

The interesting thing is that it was a straight woman who suggested to me the idea of putting the L first to fight misogyny. I never insisted that the letter order could be misogynistic. But, I can see the idea behind the argument that it is.

Quote from: DianaP on September 21, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
As for the original question of this thread: Why should anyone care?

I think that one possible answer is that identity politics are important to some people. To that end, the order of the letters can reinforce a political idea or ideal behind the acronym. For myself, I choose a simple way to describe my identity: trans* and queer. That works for me. For others whom I've known, it suffices to identify as human and leave it at that. Others still choose to me more precise or specific with their self-identifying.

We live in a time when there's less gender inequality than there used to be (but only 'less'). At the time that it was mooted to put the L first, the world was even more loaded in favour of men, so it made even more sense back then to try to adjust the loading wherever possible - hence, for a change, putting women first. Nowadays, we're more familiar with that happening a lot, but back then it was kind of radical.

That's how I've heard and read the history behind LGBT, anyway.

I think now I want to subscribe to the X-Men way of thinking. I am a mutant, morpher class. It's totally awesome :3

I totally related to the New Mutants when I was a young... whatever :).

Quote from: Padma on September 23, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
I totally related to the New Mutants when I was a young... whatever :).

X-men Evolution was awesome but they stopped the show before they got to the good stuff! Dang kids and their yugioh/and knockoff crap. No love for good shows >_>

It was all about hard copy for me. I got hooked on the New Mutants comics early in the 80's when they were just getting going. Dipped out for a bit, came back again and was shocked how many had been killed off. I thought it was great that they were dealing with being mutants and being teenagers at the same time - absolutely a metaphor for being trans (for me, anyway) :).

I'm used to it being LGBT...to me any other way would seem awkward.

Ever noticed that all the GSA groups like with high schools and stuff never breach anything except gay straight and and allies? Thats how it was at my high school at least but LGBT is the term i learned first