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Could it be possible to have a pelvic transplant from a genetically female individual? The the female donor could have the male pelvis? In this case then perhaps both patients would need to be transgender.

Also, this is going to sound a little creepy but say a transman gets his breasts surgically and completely removed, not reduced. What do they do with them afterwards? Instead of wasting them, i'm thinking if the blood vessles remain then they could get attached to the transitioning male. At least i would really want this because i never liked the modern way they do breast implants.

Also would taking estrogen give me thinner waist and more of an hourglass figure?

We have only managed to transplant limps and just recently faces. It is a bit to early for that....




Are you a Garth Ennis fan?

Yes, estrogen will change your contours the way you described, though it varies a lot from person to person how much change, where, and how quickly.

As for transplants, I'd rather not spend the rest of my life taking anti-rejection drugs in order to transition.

Well maybe i'm a bit TOO desperate to wait.





I'm sorry, WHO? ???

Transplant limp whats?  ;)

Quote from: Starr on September 22, 2012, 05:10:18 PMCould it be possible to have a pelvic transplant from a genetically female individual? The the female donor could have the male pelvis? In this case then perhaps both patients would need to be transgender.

I like this idea. SCIENCE, GET TO WORK!

It's just a jump to the left... ;D.

I think, considering how much angst is experienced by MTF's ("I'm too tall!") and FTM's ("I'm too short!"), it would be best if we could invent a Star Trek-like transporter, and swap consciousnesses between misgendered people.

That way, there's no surgeries, no hormones, just a quick and easy swap of the mind (and/or brain, if it's a wiring issue).

That should be easy to do, right? Let's all keep our schedules open for human trials in 2020, ok?

Now, let's round up some investors!

:-*

Quote from: Starr on September 22, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Could it be possible to have a pelvic transplant from a genetically female individual? The the female donor could have the male pelvis? In this case then perhaps both patients would need to be transgender.

Whilst there are differences in the bone structure of the male and female pelvis they are not big enough to justify this. Also I doubt anybody would fancy the recovery period assuming that they would survive such major surgery.

Quote from: Starr on September 22, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Also, this is going to sound a little creepy but say a transman gets his breasts surgically and completely removed, not reduced. What do they do with them afterwards? Instead of wasting them, i'm thinking if the blood vessles remain then they could get attached to the transitioning male. At least i would really want this because i never liked the modern way they do breast implants.

So you would rather spend the rest of your life taking immuno-suppresant drugs because you ahve foreign tissue in you when you are perfectly capable of growing your own breasts?

Quote from: Starr on September 22, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Also would taking estrogen give me thinner waist and more of an hourglass figure?

Try eating less....

::)

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 22, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
I think, considering how much angst is experienced by MTF's ("I'm too tall!") and FTM's ("I'm too short!"), it would be best if we could invent a Star Trek-like transporter, and swap consciousnesses between misgendered people.

That way, there's no surgeries, no hormones, just a quick and easy swap of the mind (and/or brain, if it's a wiring issue).

That should be easy to do, right? Let's all keep our schedules open for human trials in 2020, ok?

Now, let's round up some investors!

:-*

We may be closer to this that you may think,  :angel:

I am sure alot of us here including myself have dreams of something like this ...

but for several reasons this is not possible and would not be possible for another 20-30 years, probably more. 15 years if we are lucky.

even if it was possible the risk would be enormous.

I really don't know if I should say any further because that would be destroying everyones hope including my own.

PS: I am not a doctor, so am realllly hoping am wrong, anyways its actually limb transplant (legs and hands) but someone got the spelling wrong and now everyone's calling it limp transplant.

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/DownloadingConsciousness/tandr.html (http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/DownloadingConsciousness/tandr.html)

if your going to wish for something wish for something better...u never know which one may count! Anywho, hrt changed my figure a lot. i have true CURVES. People say my body looks more like nicki minaj... But a lot natural . Im small at the top but bigger at the bottom. Its sometimes hard shopping for jeans cause of this.... And shirts. My stomach is flat also. Oh i strted hrt at seventeen

Quote from: brc on September 22, 2012, 06:52:50 PMWhilst there are differences in the bone structure of the male and female pelvis they are not big enough to justify this. Also I doubt anybody would fancy the recovery period assuming that they would survive such major surgery.

Tell that to a trans man, or other trans person assigned female at birth.

Estrogen has really, really powerful effects on body structure. And the end result of this is that, basically, a CAMAB trans person on HRT will have a decent chance of developing some nice curves...but a CAFAB trans person on T has a slim to none chance of the equivalent. At best. In all my time in the trans community, I have met two trans men who lost their curvy female-assigned figures on T. The total amount of trans men I know is...far more than that.

I know it's a wonderful dream, the only thing is that as it stands at this time it is impossible.

Also, I know for myself anyways, that I would be leary of an operation of this matter as I believe that kind of procedure was tested in Auschwitz by Dr. Josef Mengele.

If you don't know who he is, he was one of the more famous SS Doctors who's specialty was operations on twins. There is a rumor that he tried to switch the lower halves of boy/girl twin set all of which resulted in death.

Sorry for the history lesson, but I can't stop thinking about it when it comes to this possibility. While medicine has improved dramatically since the 1940s, I still think we have along way to go. Science is always making breakthroughs.

I'll do the surgeries. For Free. Igor, Get me more body parts heh heh  :P
Sorry. Probably too many complications, and if such advanced science were possible I would just want my brain transplanted into the body of a biological female or having my mind uploaded into a female android (with super strength and laser beams) I love my imagination, it really does run wild.

The answer is nanites. One teaspoon of nanites will transform your body slowly over a period of months from within. Or to any other species...

While we're at it, can some of us have our 20's bodies back? :D

You are kidding right?

Here are two articles that discuss another possibility for future transitioners.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-09/made-order-lungs (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-09/made-order-lungs)

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-12/3-d-bio-printer-fabricates-organs-order (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-12/3-d-bio-printer-fabricates-organs-order)

I was actually thinking about this the other day.  Right now the standard surgical techniques are hardly cutting edge.  While results are certainly better than they were decades ago, there's still a long way to go.  Emerging technologies would not only allow us to regenerate lost or damaged limbs, tissues or organs, it would also allow us to grow organs that some of us were (mistakenly) born without.  Using these technologies it would theoretically be possible to use a donors organs (think uterus, ovaries, etc), strip away the host cells leaving what remains as a scaffold for your own stemcells (generated from non-embryonic tissue of course) to create living organs that could then be surgically implanted creating a fully functioning female system (same for ftm).  Or use the 3d printer idea and your own cultured stem cells.

the future holds a plethora of possibilities.

- Sage

Quote from: peky on September 22, 2012, 07:59:50 PM
http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/DownloadingConsciousness/tandr.html (http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/DownloadingConsciousness/tandr.html)

Oh that is awesome. I could be immortal :O

The conception part would be a plus for many transitioners, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to have periods.  I understand it's part of womanhood, but most cis females I know would be happy to not have to deal with it.

Well I know for myself, that yes it would stink, but it's all part of the concept in which I was born to be.

In short, since I was meant to be female, then I would have to accept all the pluses and negatives as well.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 22, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
I think, considering how much angst is experienced by MTF's ("I'm too tall!") and FTM's ("I'm too short!"), it would be best if we could invent a Star Trek-like transporter, and swap consciousnesses between misgendered people.

That way, there's no surgeries, no hormones, just a quick and easy swap of the mind (and/or brain, if it's a wiring issue).

That should be easy to do, right? Let's all keep our schedules open for human trials in 2020, ok?

Now, let's round up some investors!

:-*

May I say, this is a brilliant idea.

and quite possibly the future :D

The most likely advances within the next 20 years revolve around stem cells and cloning. Already extensive work is being done and cloned ears, skin, and other body parts are being used medically today. From the ears grown using a patient's own tissue and stem cells (DOD funded this for veterans who lost ears in wars) they are now advancing into researching growing genitalia for soldiers whose genitals were blown up from land mines. There is also initial work being done on growing artificial hearts from a patient's own tissue so no rejection drugs are needed. And finally, there is already research into growing ovaries and the uterus from tissue and stem cells for women who lack them.

What does this have to do with MtF transsexuals? Consider that we already know how to remove and/or replace chromosomes in a cell. So imagine taking stem cells, removing the Y chromosome and replacing it with a second X (your own X or the other X from your mother or father if available). Now you have an XX stem cell that won't be rejected by the body. Use these stem cells to grow ovaries. Transplant the ovaries and you no longer need to take estrogen. Your body produces it.

The next step would be to grow and transplant the entire reproductive structure, ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, etc., and attach to the neo-vagina. The neo-vagina and the male hips would preclude natural delivery of a baby (male hips are fused, female are not) but a TG woman who did this could conceive, carry, and give birth via C-section.

None of what I wrote above is "science fiction". It's not here yet but as I noted some of the precursor tech is here today, like growing ears and regrowing genitalia.

P.S. FtMs will likely be interested in the progress of the genitalia reconstruction efforts as the technology developed there could be used for them too. In short, within 10-20 years, I would not be surprised to see a TG MtF make the news that she had undergone such transplants, conceived, and given birth. This would not surprise me in the least. I'll be far too old for that by then but some young TG woman will be able to fulfill her dreams of being a woman and a mother someday. And while I'll be too old to benefit from that, I'd love to live to see it.