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I had NHS sex swap to be a woman..now I'm 75 I want them to put my tackle back
Mixed-up dad's op plea

By ANDREW PARKER
Published: 11 hrs ago

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4575814/Sex-swap-dad-Gary-Norton-wants-to-be-a-man-again-regret-operation-reversed-RAF-veteran.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4575814/Sex-swap-dad-Gary-Norton-wants-to-be-a-man-again-regret-operation-reversed-RAF-veteran.html)

A SEX-swap dad told yesterday how he boobed by becoming a woman 23 years ago — and begged the NHS to give him his tackle back.

RAF veteran Gary Norton — now 75 — moaned: "I now realise inside I'm a red-blooded man and always have been.

"I want a physical relationship with a woman but I've got no equipment — it all went in the op. It's one heck of a mistake to make."

The father of four, who changed his name to Gillian after his wife and kids disowned him, tried dating fellas but said he never fancied them.

He has now quit taking the female hormones that stopped his beard growing — and is on a waiting list to have the breasts the drugs gave him removed. Gary, of Coventry, is pleading with local health chiefs to go the whole hog and fund a full gender reversal op. They have refused.

Yer pays yer money and ya makes yer choices mate.  Bit late now, and at 75 I don't think many surgeons would do it even if it was possible.  Accept responsibility for my own actions is my #1 rule.  He should do the same.

What the actual?

If nothing else about this sad mixed-up tackle story... it will make therapists even wearier and play 'gate-keeper'...

That is what I should expect to come from it.

What a fool-thing to happen – and all because he doesn't like fellas? How odd!

Axélle

Poor guy, I feel sad for him.

But this is going to set trans folk back sometime and make things difficult for some people who genuinely need SRS, HRT, laser and therapy.

This is precisely why we need to be certain of what we want before it's too late.
And is going to be fuel for those who are against transition.

Accept responsibility for your own decisions no one made you have the operation. Be a lesbian I had a few girlfriends as well as boyfriends.Its people like this that make life difficult for other transexuals anyone reading this will think we're all weirdos.

I don't feel this sets anyone back. People can figure out a "sex change operation". It's wanting to go back that has everyone scratching their heads.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 07, 2012, 06:54:03 AM
I don't feel this sets anyone back. People can figure out a "sex change operation". It's wanting to go back that has everyone scratching their heads.

De-transition with NHS benefits? Hum.

Axxx

These are the type of people who try to sue doctors, want SRS banned and label all TSs insane, to shirk all responsibility. Much like that Charles Kane. Being transgender and homophobic complicates matters further. The general pubic, those who are bigoted, love these stories because it reinforces their views.

At least The Sun is printing more stories these days of happy trans people, at last. It's still all sensationalism, though. And it's interesting how being trans is now so normal (relative to some years ago) that it's no longer in itself newsworthy, it's got to be "trans - and xyz!!!"

I would be intererested to know who referred him for surgery and was it the NHS Charing Cross GIC? If so he could actually sue the NHS for psychiatric mis-diagnosis as was the case against private psychiatrist Russell Reid made by Charles Kane in 2006.

I remember reading somewhere that 1% or so or SRS cases end up regretting the event. Pretty low odds imho. He's just one of those 1%, even if he did take 23 years to get there.

What an insipid moron!  :icon_punch:

Quote from: Beth Andrea on October 13, 2012, 07:39:57 AM
I remember reading somewhere that 1% or so or SRS cases end up regretting the event. Pretty low odds imho. He's just one of those 1%, even if he did take 23 years to get there.

I would say it's a lot higher percent than that who have regrets. I know two cases who went through the U.K NHS system that reverted back for different reasons.

Nobody takes tabloids seriously, right? They're written to be sensationalist. You can generally count on gross exaggerations.

Oh sure, there are more than a few who have had regrets, but once you've been sliced and diced and your willy is whacked, it's a done deal, over finis! There are no redo's, so the best thing she can do is shut up and buckle up and finish up as best as possible and not make an international circus out of her "poor me" situation to the detriment of the rest of us in the eyes of the world.

Quote from: Zythyra on October 07, 2012, 05:44:25 AM
RAF veteran Gary Norton — now 75 — moaned: "I now realise inside I'm a red-blooded man and always have been.

"I want a physical relationship with a woman but I've got no equipment — it all went in the op. It's one heck of a mistake to make."

These quotes are surreal. Can anyone who has gone through sexual reassignment really be so sheltered as to not realise that physical relationships don't have to involve the traditional old in-out? That women can have physical relationships without the "equipment"? And this might just be me, but how does somebody who once identified as female use, without a trace of irony, the phrase "red-blooded man?" I've never heard that one dropped anymore except by the crustiest of crusty old misogynists.

Perhaps it's the tabloid retelling. I remember once being sprung by a local rag on the street and asked a few questions for a street poll. What they printed and what I said bore only the most passing resemblance, in no small part because they'd simplified my words down to a third-grade reading level.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 13, 2012, 09:19:38 AM
I would say it's a lot higher percent than that who have regrets. I know two cases who went through the U.K NHS system that reverted back for different reasons.

It's all anecdotal. I probably know about a hundred trans people IRL (men and women), and so far, not a single one has expressed regret. Of course, I don't talk to all of them on a regular basis...

*banging head on desk*  :icon_userfriendly: :icon_userfriendly: :icon_userfriendly: :icon_userfriendly: :icon_chainsaw:

75 years old and has not learned about "personal responsibility," what a ding bat.

He is an ass, because he fully well knows that his statements will affect other TG folks negatively. He should have had the decency to keep his mouth shut.

I think this nincompoop is just doing for the attention.

Um, am I the first one to suggest use of a strap-on? Also, 75 and still going about with sex?! Good for him.  :o

All in all, he's still an idiot.

According to the report, he had an NHS SRS at 52?

Sorry, but my bull-s**t detector is screaming out.

When I first read this article, the line that really stood out was "But the operation essentially left me a lesbian." How.. horrible. *sigh*  I'm not sure what he expected. That he'd suddenly take a liking to men and still be safely straight, or that somehow.. he could still like women yet not be considered a lesbian?  ???

I wonder how much he was paid for his story? possibly a few thousand pounds? easily enough for a nice holiday.

If it's true, tough titties I say. Let it be a lesson learned.

As soon as I saw this thread title I thought of the Sun for some strange reason.
I'm now left wondering how long i've got before my mother tries to bring this to my attention.
If she reads this article it will set my progress with her back a year!

I'd like to say a big sarcastic thank you to the sun

Who would have thought an RAF veteran would have a "fear of flying"?

QuoteHe has now quit taking the female hormones that stopped his beard growing

What kind of hormones are these and how do I get some? Why does anyone do laser or electrolysis when female hormones will make beards stop growing?

And who in their right mind thinks that becoming a woman will make attracting and maintaining sexual relationships with straight women easier?

Seriously, this whole article is fiction. Made me laugh, but I wish the Sun would grow up.

The only serious question it made me raise, was for late transitioners who were satisfied with their lives as a crossdressing straight male until their 50s... what happens if they develop Alzheimer's and as a part of their dementia they start losing their memory from their latter part of their life? Could they reach a stage where they are aware enough that they know they are in a female body and life, but can't remember wanting it, and develop reverse-gender dysphoria? Missing their old life as a man? This wouldn't be an issue for transsexuals who wanted to transition but couldn't until late in life, only those who develop desire to transition late in life. I dunno.

Quote from: spacial on October 13, 2012, 06:16:11 PM
According to the report, he had an NHS SRS at 52?

Sorry, but my bull-s**t detector is screaming out.

That was 23 years ago, the UK NHS may have been more liberal with the diagnoses and treatment then.  I have seen older SRS transitioners.  The diagnoses and treatment of GID is still evolving. 
  I do agree with most thus far on his decision to transition.  He knew at the beginning of his treatment that the changes are permanent.  Some things will not return if he tries to detransition after SRS.  He will have to live with it.  The tackle will not function enough.  He will still be dissatisfied.
  Joelene

Quote from: Joelene9 on October 14, 2012, 03:18:42 AM
  That was 23 years ago, the UK NHS may have been more liberal with the diagnoses and treatment then.  I have seen older SRS transitioners.  The diagnoses and treatment of GID is still evolving. 
  I do agree with most thus far on his decision to transition.  He knew at the beginning of his treatment that the changes are permanent.  Some things will not return if he tries to detransition after SRS.  He will have to live with it.  The tackle will not function enough.  He will still be dissatisfied.
  Joelene

Good point. Sadly, as a user of and a former practitioner in the NHS, I can assure you the opposite is the case.

So we have someone who makes wrong decisions and refuses to accept responsibility and was involved with warplanes that's scary!

I know this is very cynical but. . . the first thing that went through my head reading this is that this pensioners retirement fund must be getting low.

She should know that at 75 surgeons will only perform operations if there is no other option, my nan was given many different treatments in an attempt to avoid operations for her medical problems because of the serious risk of anesthetic at that age.

What better way to get a compensation claim than to demand corrective surgery that you know will most likely be denied?

Quote from: Jayne on October 14, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
I know this is very cynical but. . . the first thing that went through my head reading this is that this pensioners retirement fund must be getting low.

She should know that at 75 surgeons will only perform operations if there is no other option, my nan was given many different treatments in an attempt to avoid operations for her medical problems because of the serious risk of anesthetic at that age.

What better way to get a compensation claim than to demand corrective surgery that you know will most likely be denied?

Jayne,
     You have a steel trap mind, you may be onto something!

Quote from: Shantel on October 14, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
Jayne,
     You have a steel trap mind, you may be onto something!

More like a mousetrap  ::)

Quote from: MadelineB on October 14, 2012, 12:52:02 AM
The only serious question it made me raise, was for late transitioners who were satisfied with their lives as a crossdressing straight male until their 50s... what happens if they develop Alzheimer's and as a part of their dementia they start losing their memory from their latter part of their life? Could they reach a stage where they are aware enough that they know they are in a female body and life, but can't remember wanting it, and develop reverse-gender dysphoria? Missing their old life as a man? This wouldn't be an issue for transsexuals who wanted to transition but couldn't until late in life, only those who develop desire to transition late in life. I dunno.

I transitioned later in life, after struggling for a couple of decades. I sometimes worry that I'll develop dementia and forget that I transitioned. No, that would be too horrible.

So you mean to tell me it took 75 years to figure out who you are... 23+ of which you lived as the opposite gender of your born sex?

Moron

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on October 17, 2012, 08:54:22 AM
So you mean to tell me it took 75 years to figure out who you are... 23+ of which you lived as the opposite gender of your born sex?

Moron

My thoughts too along with another few 100 million folks who read that article. What's amazing is that someone that stupid could actually survive to reach the age of 75!

I'm glad he's not the first one of us to lose his rod and reel. Or all the surgeons would start requiring 24 years of RLE just to be safe.

Quote from: Arch on October 13, 2012, 01:01:09 PM
It's all anecdotal. I probably know about a hundred trans people IRL (men and women), and so far, not a single one has expressed regret. Of course, I don't talk to all of them on a regular basis...

It's not anecdotal....I know about a hundred MTF IRL too and 4 (four) expressed regret, 2 (two) reverted back to living as men again and 6 (six) have commited suicide....over the course of 25 years.

BTW: this person is honest to express his regret publicly.

God knows how many post ops keep that to themselves because they know how many MTF will get mad at them and how many cispeople will laugh in their faces.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on October 17, 2012, 08:54:22 AM
So you mean to tell me it took 75 years to figure out who you are... 23+ of which you lived as the opposite gender of your born sex?

Moron

OR his regret gradually developed over 23 years....