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Title: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 06, 2007, 11:47:40 PM
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 06, 2007, 11:47:40 PM
This guy is a nutcase if ever there was one.
In the South there is an expression, "He needed killin." I've mostly heard it applied to GLBT folks but in this case...no, I won't actually say that. The First Amendment implies he has the right to be just as stupid as he possibly can. But if this isn't hate speech I don't know what is.
Beverly
Looks like the link may have been disabled so try YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40xeRKdI4fY
In the South there is an expression, "He needed killin." I've mostly heard it applied to GLBT folks but in this case...no, I won't actually say that. The First Amendment implies he has the right to be just as stupid as he possibly can. But if this isn't hate speech I don't know what is.
Beverly
Looks like the link may have been disabled so try YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40xeRKdI4fY
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Laura Elizabeth Jones on May 07, 2007, 12:23:27 AM
Post by: Laura Elizabeth Jones on May 07, 2007, 12:23:27 AM
While I have not viewed the clip in question (its late and my connection takes literally hours to download stuff so I am going to wait until tomorrow to actually view it). However, I am familiar with the Phelps clan and their oh so wonderful opinions. ::)....that sentence though....that speaks volumes. They wished that it had been "33,000 dead instead....and its Gods Wrath"????.....Wow....I will never be able to understand how someone can have such a sick, twisted, and utterly diseased mind. People like that scare the hell out of me to be honest.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 02:14:55 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 02:14:55 AM
Aren't they part of the US civilization which they are condemming? I think that they should start building an ark. That would at least keep them busy doing something else for a while.
Cindi
Cindi
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: rhonda13000 on May 07, 2007, 02:54:05 AM
Post by: rhonda13000 on May 07, 2007, 02:54:05 AM
Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 07, 2007, 02:14:55 AM
Aren't they part of the US civilization which they are condemming? I think that they should start building an ark. That would at least keep them busy doing something else for a while.
Cindi
"Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
"These are the things which defile the man; - Matthew 15:17-20
A sickening and obscene message. I hadn't heard Phelps before.
The state of his heart seems most evident. We know it and so does God.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 AM
What these people need is to just be totally ignored. I could only take a few minutes of his "sermon". I truly have not the patience to listen to any more of it. But it is clear that if they were ignored, they would have to find another purpose ;)
Cindi
Cindi
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 07, 2007, 03:37:05 AM
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 07, 2007, 03:37:05 AM
Cindi, these are the same people that protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral and were protesting at military funerals with signs saying the deceased was in hell for serving a government and country that allows GLBT people to exist. This idiot is saying this because "we pick on his church and don't let them do what he wants to do without hindrance.
Beverly
Beverly
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 04:01:52 PM
Post by: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 04:01:52 PM
I.. Find it extremely hard to believe this is nót a hoax...
It's a hoax, right? Nobody is this bloody stupid, right? Right..?
It's a hoax, right? Nobody is this bloody stupid, right? Right..?
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Melissa on May 07, 2007, 05:13:36 PM
Post by: Melissa on May 07, 2007, 05:13:36 PM
You know what a sure sign somebody has been brainwashed by their church?
You can tell just by word usage. They speak with words like "thou", "thy", add "eth" to the end of words, and use the words like "holy" and "faith" a disproportionately high number of times. No person who is actually coming up with their own ideas speaks like this anymore. To me, by talking like this, they are subtley inferring that they are full of **it.
You can tell just by word usage. They speak with words like "thou", "thy", add "eth" to the end of words, and use the words like "holy" and "faith" a disproportionately high number of times. No person who is actually coming up with their own ideas speaks like this anymore. To me, by talking like this, they are subtley inferring that they are full of **it.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 07, 2007, 06:29:28 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 07, 2007, 06:29:28 PM
you mean fulleth of **it
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 07, 2007, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 04:01:52 PM
I.. Find it extremely hard to believe this is nót a hoax...
It's a hoax, right? Nobody is this bloody stupid, right? Right..?
Nope. This guy and his congregation are for real. They will picket military funerals spouting that God is reaking vengance on us for our wicked ways and that the soldiers deserve to die. They spew nothing but hatred wherever they go. The only members of their incestuous throng are relatives of the foul mouthed reverend. Let's ship him to Bagdad and let him spread his "word"!
Cindi
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 07:18:58 PM
Post by: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 07:18:58 PM
They are aware that spewing that kind of stuff at a funeral generally makes another funeral in five day's waiting..?
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Suzy on May 07, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
Post by: Suzy on May 07, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
This guy is unbelievable. I thought I had heard it all. He's got a lot of nerve mentioning God in the midst of that kind of hate-filled garbage.
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Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 07, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 07, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
By the way, just look up his name on you tube. Couple of good videos of them running for their lives, windows getting broken in the van, etc. And you should hear what he says about John Daly and Stephen Colbert.
Beverly
Beverly
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Casey on May 08, 2007, 09:08:12 AM
Post by: Casey on May 08, 2007, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on May 07, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
Couple of good videos of them running for their lives, windows getting broken in the van, etc.
I can't condone that. He talked in the video about things that had been done to them and the church. Frankly, and feel free to string me up by parts I'd rather not be strung up by, that's just wrong. I have as little respect for the people who did those things as I do for Phelps and his followers. Forget "taking the moral high ground", this should be a case of acting decently because it's the right thing to do.
I notice Phelps has moved from fundie to fanatic. Hurricane Katrina is god's way of punishing America for what it's doing to Phelps's church? Wow, that shows a level of hubris I haven't seen since... David Koresh? Jim Jones? I think this is the part where the fundies start backing away slowly. I also think this is the beginning of the figurative end for Phelps and his church.
By the way, did anybody else notice his "logo" of two spinning globes, one spinning backwards? I think that says all we need to know about him. ;)
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 08, 2007, 09:18:36 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 08, 2007, 09:18:36 AM
I'm with Casey. I can't condone attacking someone or their property.
I hold to the belief that whosoever throws the first punch, or stone, or fires the first shot, is the one who is wrong.
I do disapprove of the weird reverend guy's message, but he looks like his own heart is going to kill him any minute. There is no need to feed his overtly skewed worldview.
I hold to the belief that whosoever throws the first punch, or stone, or fires the first shot, is the one who is wrong.
I do disapprove of the weird reverend guy's message, but he looks like his own heart is going to kill him any minute. There is no need to feed his overtly skewed worldview.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Suzy on May 08, 2007, 09:28:44 AM
Post by: Suzy on May 08, 2007, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 08, 2007, 09:18:36 AM
I'm with Casey. I can't condone attacking someone or their property.
I hold to the belief that whosoever throws the first punch, or stone, or fires the first shot, is the one who is wrong.
I do disapprove of the weird reverend guy's message, but he looks like his own heart is going to kill him any minute. There is no need to feed his overtly skewed worldview.
I couldn't agree more. Violence is just wrong, and will solve nothing. But I am watching for the founding of Fredstown any time now. Scary stuff.
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Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
Quote from: Dryad on May 07, 2007, 04:01:52 PMNo, I can assure you from personal experience that they are real.
I.. Find it extremely hard to believe this is nót a hoax...
It's a hoax, right? Nobody is this bloody stupid, right? Right..?
Quote from: rhonda13000 on May 07, 2007, 02:54:05 AMAnd there's nothing quite so joyous as having to pass one of their protest lines. As soon as they see you they get as personally insulting as they possibly can. There's a special group in SoulForce that's trained to turn their backs on the Phelps people and form a line to shield the innocent from their vile talk.
A sickening and obscene message. I hadn't heard Phelps before.
Quote from: Casey on May 08, 2007, 09:08:12 AM
He talked in the video about things that had been done to them and the church.
Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 08, 2007, 09:18:36 AMYou need to understand Phelps' tactics. His people do whatever they can to provoke the people they are protesting against into a confrontation. Then Phelps sues them for every cent they have.
I hold to the belief that whosoever throws the first punch, or stone, or fires the first shot, is the one who is wrong.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Wendy on May 08, 2007, 12:58:54 PM
Post by: Wendy on May 08, 2007, 12:58:54 PM
Per chance did you see the subliminal messages in the background?
Did you also notice the cute child with the middle finger in the air?
Do people give donations to this type of preacher?
I feel asleep with the rhetoric before it finished.
...................
A sick mind killing students is a sick mind killing students.
W
Did you also notice the cute child with the middle finger in the air?
Do people give donations to this type of preacher?
I feel asleep with the rhetoric before it finished.
...................
A sick mind killing students is a sick mind killing students.
W
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 01:24:56 PM
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Wendy on May 08, 2007, 12:58:54 PMPeople have found him to be a great help in fund-raising. When you hear he is going to come and protest you, just get people to pledge a certain amount of money per minute that the protest continues. Don't forget to send him a thank you card indicating the amount of money he raised for you.
Do people give donations to this type of preacher?
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Casey on May 08, 2007, 02:29:14 PM
Post by: Casey on May 08, 2007, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
You need to understand Phelps' tactics. His people do whatever they can to provoke the people they are protesting against into a confrontation. Then Phelps sues them for every cent they have.
Then Phelps is smarter than some of the people he's protesting against. He provokes, they attack, he can use thier attack to discredit them. That's the only way he can win and he knows it. I'm sure it can't be easy to listen to Phelps's crap, but true good guys aren't vandals.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 03:26:54 PM
Post by: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: Casey on May 08, 2007, 02:29:14 PMThat's why the rules of engagement are, "Ignore them, they don't exist."Quote from: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
You need to understand Phelps' tactics. His people do whatever they can to provoke the people they are protesting against into a confrontation. Then Phelps sues them for every cent they have.
Then Phelps is smarter than some of the people he's protesting against. He provokes, they attack, he can use thier attack to discredit them. That's the only way he can win and he knows it. I'm sure it can't be easy to listen to Phelps's crap, but true good guys aren't vandals.
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 08, 2007, 07:12:52 PM
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 08, 2007, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Casey on May 08, 2007, 02:29:14 PMQuote from: Lisbeth on May 08, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
You need to understand Phelps' tactics. His people do whatever they can to provoke the people they are protesting against into a confrontation. Then Phelps sues them for every cent they have.
Then Phelps is smarter than some of the people he's protesting against. He provokes, they attack, he can use thier attack to discredit them. That's the only way he can win and he knows it. I'm sure it can't be easy to listen to Phelps's crap, but true good guys aren't vandals.
I agree that violence is not the answer with Phelps and with Isaac Asimov when he said that "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." However even the courts agree that there are such things as "fighting words" or put another way, things you can say that will justifiably earn you a punch in the nose. Now I don't know about anyone else but when you show up at a funeral with signs telling the parents of a teenager who was beaten and left tied to a fence that he is burning in hell because he was gay, or the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq and tell his parents he's in hell for serving a corrupt country, don't be suprised if someone classifies that as fighting words. After all, the emotions of a parent losing a child could tend to be pretty volatile.
Beverly
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Lisbeth on May 09, 2007, 09:12:18 AM
Post by: Lisbeth on May 09, 2007, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on May 08, 2007, 07:12:52 PMSome people use other methods to deal with them.
I agree that violence is not the answer with Phelps and with Isaac Asimov when he said that "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." However even the courts agree that there are such things as "fighting words" or put another way, things you can say that will justifiably earn you a punch in the nose. Now I don't know about anyone else but when you show up at a funeral with signs telling the parents of a teenager who was beaten and left tied to a fence that he is burning in hell because he was gay, or the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq and tell his parents he's in hell for serving a corrupt country, don't be suprised if someone classifies that as fighting words. After all, the emotions of a parent losing a child could tend to be pretty volatile.
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Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 09, 2007, 09:19:19 AM
Post by: BeverlyAnn on May 09, 2007, 09:19:19 AM
Yep and God bless every single Patriot Rider!!!!!
Beverly
Beverly
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: Kate on May 09, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Kate on May 09, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
So how did he GET this way?
I mean I almost feel sorry for him. Even if he's just being clever and intentionally provoking people for some odd reason, he's SO lost touch with his own humanity, it's kinda heartbreaking to see someone get THAT far lost.
What's he running from?
Was he always this way?
~Kate~
I mean I almost feel sorry for him. Even if he's just being clever and intentionally provoking people for some odd reason, he's SO lost touch with his own humanity, it's kinda heartbreaking to see someone get THAT far lost.
What's he running from?
Was he always this way?
~Kate~
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 09, 2007, 04:59:31 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on May 09, 2007, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Kate on May 09, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
So how did he GET this way?
I mean I almost feel sorry for him. Even if he's just being clever and intentionally provoking people for some odd reason, he's SO lost touch with his own humanity, it's kinda heartbreaking to see someone get THAT far lost.
What's he running from?
Was he always this way?
~Kate~
I always wonder this stuff too. I was also wondering about the VC killer himself. There are many mentally ill people who don't hurt others. What little thing was it that did or did not take place that put the killer where he was (mentally).
Sometimes, I try to figure out what motivates, or what was derailed, for people like Cheney (who I believe is brain damaged), and Saddam Hussein, and that haggert guy who preached against homosexuality, but was engaged in it.
Weird huh?
Title: Re: Rev.(?) Fred Phelps says VT massacre should have been 33,000 instead of 33.
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 09, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
Post by: cindianna_jones on May 09, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
I enjoyed reading Kate's and Rebecca's responses. It reminds me that we should always inject compassion into our own judgment. Let's hear it for the girls who are loving and kind!
Cindi
Cindi