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 :-\ So I was very perplexed as to how this woman was being treated by the police in las vegas nevada, sure this person is going to jail and being accused but there were many things done here that were wrong in my opinion. The biggest one being that they claimed the person as 100% female based on the fact she had an operation, had she not then they would have put her with the males but in Protective Custody. They then would have listed her as 100% male as they did previously on the computer!

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Yeah this is a problem. In the many states if you don't have bottom surgery you can never get your official gender marker changed.  It sucks and needs to be changed.

I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

Really anyone who is gender variant of any sort should be isolated from the population in jail for thier own protection. Now that isn't practical for long term things like prison but if we have time we can vet people better than in jail.

I am no criminal either but I have been harassed before by law enforcement for crimes I didn't commit, and I am all too aware that people go to jail for things they didn't do all the time, and occasionally go to prison for Crimea they didn't commit.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

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Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

I see your point but I still feel bottom surgery should not be the determining factor for gender markers.  Its unfair to people who want bottom surgery but have no way to pay for it or trans people that chose not to for whatever reason.  I hate that I am stuck with a giant letter M on my driver's license or gender male tied to my social security number and surgery is the only way to fix it.  I am not sure if I will ever be able to afford it.

A personal claim from the person would not be enough, but letters from therapists and doctors, something concrete that shows your transitioning beyond just having a 20,000 dollar surgery as the only option.

As far a prisons go, I agree with some type of isolation, at least one prison in every state should have an area trans people sentenced to long term incarceration.  I don't think that's to much to ask it doesn't even have to be that large as I have not heard of high number of trans criminals. Except for the poor girls caught up in prostitution but I don't think that should even be criminalized, there are better ways to address that problem than throwing them in jail.

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Both male and female prisons have some very abusive bad ass individuals locked up in them.   As a transgender women, I pretty much feel my goose is cooked if one of them ever fixates upon me.   It probably wouldn't make any difference rather I had male or female private parts between my legs.   Either way I would wind up somebodies bitch.   Being a bitch in a female prison and having male gender parts might just make me a bigger target for abuse then if I would have had surgery.    Being in isolation in and of itself can be very abusive.   Being a women I would rather be with other women than I would being a victim of male aggression on a second by second basis.   

My natural desire to survive would have to carry me through whatever prison situation I happened into.     My best options is to be on my best behavior as a women and keep myself save including being very careful as to who I chose to be my friends.

The idea that I as a women, I am a threat to other women just because I have male private parts is utterly ridiculous  to me because when I am having sex with another women my male private parts do not act like male private parts,  they are soft and squishy most of the time and I am more sexually responsive if they are safely tucked away or imprisoned in my female underclothing.   While there is nothing wrong with being a she male, I am not one.    Even when my other female partner helps me out my male parts are basically useless.    In a female prison I may be ridiculed for having male body parts,  but as a transgender woman, I am a woman who is attracted to women, but when I have sex it is as a woman and not as a man.   I would need a dildo like any other woman would to even approximate giving a male sexual experience to another women.

You will find all kinds of women in a women's prison, just like you find all kinds of men in a man's prison.     I feel that a female transgender should be housed in a prison according to her gender identification and behavior and not her body type.   Transgender men pose no threat either and again are going to be abused in either a men's prison or a women's prison.   As a transgender women,  I cannot speak for them.   But I can guess that transgender males would rather be accepted as one of the guys, rather than treated line any other women.    To be one of the guys they would have to be as tough as any of the other guys.

In reality there are no good outcomes for transgenders in prison except to be survivors and very internally tough.

Like someone said earlier. glad I am not a criminal :P

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

Unfortunate, but reasonable points.  The only solution would be to expand protective custody units, imho.

Quote from: Snowpaw on December 07, 2012, 01:07:56 PM
Like someone said earlier. glad I am not a criminal :P

Neither are 7% of the prison population that have been wrongly convicted. Its a scary issue that is always in the back of my mind.

I'm going to play devils advocate...I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA
Well I'll play devil's advocate and basically agree with michelle and tell you that I'm sure you would not fare much better on the female side.  There was a long running individual in here with a prison fixation and they were constantly bringing up the issue and frequently singled out California and I kept trying to tell them that going to a female prison in Cali ain't no walk in the park.  Between the outright psychos (most of the people in custody have mental health and substance abuse issues), and the people who choose to live a criminal lifestyle, particularly the urban gang members, there are lots of extremely violent females in US prisons.  There is a tendency in criminal courts to try to avoid putting women in prison, so those that make it there are there for some pretty bad stuff.

In a female prison I may be ridiculed for having male body parts
My guess is that you would fare no better in a female prison than in a male one.  It's highly likely that you'd be getting the broomstick rape on a constant basis and most likely the rusty razor SRS too.  After all, lots (perhaps a majority) of the women in jail have a history of psychical, mental and sexual abuse by males and now you show up and present an opportunity to revenge all that.  And the other women in there who don't have a real hate toward men are not going to like you any better and are far more likely to go along with the group than to try to protect you.


To be one of the guys they would have to be as tough as any of the other guys.
Most likely that would be impossible, as some of those people have been working on being tough 24/7 since the day they were born.  They were born to, and raised in violence.  They like violence, they practice it, they are highly skilled at it and they have had 20+ years to do little but work to develop it.  Many are cold-blooded killers.  Many are psychopathic/sociopath.  You're not going to be able to catch up with them.

Did anyone notice the smirks and smiles on the male cops faces? They seemed to be getting a kick out of the whole thing and were not really taking her seriously, until after the patdown and confirmation of genitals. She was there for a DUI and she was even real polite with them at the end. It ended well but it did not start out well.

There seems to be 3 issues, one of where to house her (male or female), second is an issue of who is going to search her because the law requires that someone should be searched by a member of their own gender.  Third is the strip-search, and everyone - EVERYONE - going into lock-up gets striped searched.

Quote from: Aeris on December 07, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
This person is a criminal lol.
Who cares what they do with him/her/it.

Yet here are all of y'all worried about them being treated fairly...

are you freaking serious? Just because someone commits a crime doesnt mean they should be thrown to the dogs and no one should care about them, people make mistakes and depending on the severity of the crime they are punished accordingly, I have a few friends that have been in jail but they turned out to be productive and helpful citizens.

Also this girl had not been to court yet, so she was simply under arrest and that was what I was taking issue with, how a transperson is seen in certain areas of law enforcement. You are aware, are you not that in the 60's and 70's transfolk were beaten or harassed or arrested for impersonating the other gender?

Quote from: Aeris on December 07, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
This person is a criminal lol.
Who cares what they do with him/her/it.

Yet here are all of y'all worried about them being treated fairly...

You're damn right. Human rights are for everybody, even the child molester or whatever disgusting act they've done in life. I care what they do to "him/her/it" - that could be any of us in that position; wrongly accused, for lesser charges, through a stupid mistake... whatever.

Think about it like this. If we had caught Hitler, would it have done the world much better to gas him every day of his life for 7 years before we killed him? Would the world have been much better if we'd subjected him to rape every day of his life? I don't think so. Because at the end of the day, feeding him to wolves (so to speak)  does nothing but makes everyone feel better... it doesn't make him go back and reverse what he's done. He'd be dead anyways... or suffered for the rest of his life for absolutely no good other than some sick pleasure of the human race.

What I'm trying to say is, subjecting someone to torture is the same amount of evil, perversion... whatever you wanna call it regardless if the person is guilty or innocent.

Quote from: Aeris on December 07, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
This person is a criminal lol.
Who cares what they do with him/her/it.

Yet here are all of y'all worried about them being treated fairly...

And you assume everyone who is locked up is a "criminal" and actually did something wrong. I guess then if a trans person is (wrongly) accused of a crime, throw then in jail with the guys and sweep up what's left in the morning?

About 15 years ago when I was living more as a gender queer, I went through a -DUI road block- driving my brothers car which he had let the insurance expire (I had no idea). They ran the plates and it came up -expired insurance- This is a jail-able offense now. The prison I spent the night in had enough sense to put me in a cell by myself until someone could come get me out.

I don't think trans people should die or spend the night being raped over things like this.

Quote from: Stephe on December 07, 2012, 11:10:44 PM
I don't think trans people should die or spend the night being raped over things like this.

There's a trans girl here locally that was in prison with men that was raped *repeatedly* over the course of a month before prison officials finally moved her to a different wing, where she was raped again. To top it off, when they tested her upon intake she was HIV negative. After later being tested, she is now positive.

Now, combine that with Stephes story. Do you think Stephe deserves to become infected with HIV? Hell, do you think ANYBODY deserves to be infected with HIV just because they were arrested BEFORE having a trial?

Our jails / prisons need a SERIOUS reform in the USA. Not just for trans people but as a whole. And we as civilized human beings need to learn what compassion is.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:19:58 PM
There's a trans girl here locally that was in prison with men that was raped *repeatedly* over the course of a month before prison officials finally moved her to a different wing, where she was raped again. To top it off, when they tested her upon intake she was HIV negative. After later being tested, she is now positive.

Now, combine that with Stephes story. Do you think Stephe deserves to become infected with HIV? Hell, do you think ANYBODY deserves to be infected with HIV just because they were arrested BEFORE having a trial?

Our jails / prisons need a SERIOUS reform in the USA. Not just for trans people but as a whole. And we as civilized human beings need to learn what compassion is.

I agree 100% the state of our prison system in the USA is absolutely appalling it does nothing to help the imprisoned people return to a productive members of society after they have served their sentence. It just makes them worse and ruins their life.  The United States leads the world in the rate of incarcerating its own citizens. We imprison more of our own people than any other country on earth, including China which has four times our population, or in human history.

We don't send people to prison to reform them, we do it to punish them.  And, BTW, there is no such thing as "just" under arrest.  If you are being processed - at someplace like Las Vegas which I'm sure has a huge jail/arrest deal going down - everyone is treated the same.  And I don't know about where you live, but in Nevada, like Cali, DUI is considered a very serious offense.

Quote from: tekla on December 08, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
We don't send people to prison to reform them, we do it to punish them.  And, BTW, there is no such thing as "just" under arrest.  If you are being processed - at someplace like Las Vegas which I'm sure has a huge jail/arrest deal going down - everyone is treated the same.  And I don't know about where you live, but in Nevada, like Cali, DUI is considered a very serious offense.

Well, a person should be able to be reformed after being in jail or prison, but like sadie has said, it often does make them worse, because in jail and especially prison there is violence and drugs and racial tension and many other things going on that harden a person and its like being in the military only much less pleasant and much more hard core. Everyone is not treated the same when they are under arrest BTW, it all depends on what your under arrest for, and where you got arrested and even still who you are (ie blacks get treated different than whites in a lot of places)

QuoteQuote from: Snowpaw on Yesterday at 02:07:56 pm
Like someone said earlier. glad I am not a criminal


Neither are 7% of the prison population that have been wrongly convicted. Its a scary issue that is always in the back of my mind.

How about in this case? Was she innocent? We can talk about the 7% all day and the stupid 3rd strike rules regarding people with pot. We can discuss the legalized slavery and prison corporations on a forum but honestly it does nothing. Outside of a pure revolution. What can be do about this? Or will we just sit here complacently while it continues and just bitch out people whom just realize it is a hopeless system. The prisons are in the pockets of the politicians who state it's all for the greater good and the people buy it. It is hopeless. Good luck in this world. Hope you don't get arrested because nothing will be done. People will immediately look upon you as a criminal, as guilty, as a ->-bleeped-<- etc. They won't look at the situation. The people are stupid. Sucks but that's life. I am open to suggestions.

Oh also I should state this better, I am glad I have not been caught yet.

BTW police don't care. We are all suspects to them, guilty until proven innocent, ever notice how a lot of the cars no longer say "to protect and serve"? They are basically there to ticket you to fund the politicians. If you can't pay up for the silly tickets you go to jail. If you have a job you are screwed. There is a busted camera light that tickets people all the time on greens and yellows. Nothing has been done about it because it serves as a means to catch more money. Cops are not your friends people. Best to just avoid them completely.

Also not sure if I should state what street because it's the one I live off of but it's a rather busy intersection.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

Well I'm happy for you, though it tends to be people who aren't criminals who are naive enough to think they have to be a criminal to ever end up in jail.

This stuff is all very simple. You go on a case by case basis, and most of the time, if you're a preop MTF, there's a simple solution, put them in isolation... in a WOMENS facility. There you go, problem solved.

Go on a case by case basis, it's the only fair way.

Quote from: Snowpaw on December 08, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
Cops are not your friends people. Best to just avoid them completely.

Also not sure if I should state what street because it's the one I live off of but it's a rather busy intersection.

This is worth repeating.

I respect that cops have a job to do, and provided they act within the bounds of the law I respect that they are simply an instrument of the system, and I respect that.

Having said that. There are bad cops and a lot of what cops do is while not illegal, certainly ethically suspect.

It's simple really, there are rules to dealing with cops to follow to stay out of jail.

A. Don't believe ANYTHING they tell you.
B. Say NOTHING apart from your name and address without having consulted a lawyer.
C. Never agree to a search of your premises without a warrant and follow the vampire rule (don't invite them in).
D. Be polite, respectful, do not resist arrest, do not scream or shout at them, be polite and explain that you do not wish to say anything regarding any criminal matter without consulting a lawyer.

Obviously rules and procedures do vary on a state and country basis, so refresh yourself in your local law.

I was thinking something under this thread.
What for those people who "Technical" did a crime, but who really insn't criminals?
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I think there is alot of those caises specially for transgender people all over the world.

for the current situation, my country is to make law changes and currently I dont know what will happent, but so far its been illigal for people who arn't less than 18 or whos not already on homones threatment. to get homones anywhere ells than 1 place who only accept 17% of the people who get there, and who will show no mercy, even if you say your to kill yourself then its just too bad, they will reject you anyway. (yeah they have done that)

So due to this cercumstances on how the situation is, I told a couple of people i'm willing to contact, or maybe even go to other country to get homones, as well as share information.
by the new law thats illigal but dose it make me a criminal?
Some of those people I been talking to cant go thought this 1 place who have inhuman threatment and reject most people anyway, some already been rejejcted and feel no other option than to join creepy people on the street, or killing themself (if they cant travel away). If im to follow there law im to do NOTHING while I see them die of an overdosis or kill themself.
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also another exemple been this year, we had political fights. The goverment had refused a transgender person who had excaped her country. She had been fighting for transgenders right and a policeman had tried to kill her by the word that she would die if she wasnt to stop what she was doing (aka trying to gain rights for transgender people)
As she escaped she was place in an asylum with men and raped. and when she ran away from there they just denyed her asylum rights in general and where to send her back where she by a big chance would get killed or torturated.

By all this mess alot of people put up petitions, demonstrations and all sort of things.
We went on the street to gain attention, By law you shall have a permission to do that but the day where comming up for her deportation and each minut where counting so we did it anyway.

Illigal? yes, But what would had happent if we didnt?
She would had been send back like 3 other transgender had been, and by a big chance getting killed.
Due to the fact we did it anyway, she was saved in last minut and the law of LGBT refugeed where changed.
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What i'm simple trying to aply is, who is the criminals here?

is it only crazy people doing bad things and hurting people, Or is it also people like ourself?

LGBT people had and still is by many areas criminals simple for being thereself, or for surviving by options they where forced into due to a less accepting sociaty. (ex prostitution)
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In My world the criminals are those who been rejejcting transgender people help, and who just refuse and send them back even when THEY KNOW there to get harmed or in worst caise killed.

But by law there not criminals, for them im the criminal for what I do, and stand up for.
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I think its important to take this in mind, that criminals can be everyone in all kinds of situations and shape,
My thought of prision and punishment isnt that it should be focus on punish people alone,

it should be the main focus to prevent them doing something hurtfull.

I'll say it again, and I've said it many times......for all or us who are tg. ts, gender queer.............never put yourself in the position of being arrested. 

So....don't drive uti, don't be in the company of anyone committing a crime, be polite to cops at all times, never argue with them, do your best to never get into a fight, or an argument that could cause a fight, and stay away from places that could cause you to be in that situation. 

Quote from: Miss Bev on December 12, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
I'll say it again, and I've said it many times......for all or us who are tg. ts, gender queer.............never put yourself in the position of being arrested. 

So....don't drive uti, don't be in the company of anyone committing a crime, be polite to cops at all times, never argue with them, do your best to never get into a fight, or an argument that could cause a fight, and stay away from places that could cause you to be in that situation.

Yep... because many in the law enforcement community will NOT take our sides if they can get away with it. Many, in fact, seem to have some sort of sick interest to put us in there with the wolves. It's sad but true...

From what the video itself shows ( I watched it twice), I think is she was treated rather well.  I was treated worse myself in hospital and medical situations by doctors and nurses only 3 yrs ago.  From what I could see, she failed the breathalyzer, and was brought in for booking.  Even though there were questions about her gender identity because of information prior to her surgery, everyone in the video referred to her with the correct pronouns, and did what was necessary to work with the system, as it was.  The one officer smirked, but only very mildly. The female officer didn't smirk, or treat her badly.  In fact, when the woman tried to remove something in her hair, the female officer reached out very naturally, and said "here, here, move your hands, I'll get it" and removed the speck or whatever, a natural woman-to-woman social gesture.  They put her in a separate room to be isolated from the general population until they could figure out how to work with the system, and before considering putting her in the female population, asked if she would be known there by anyone(thus being concerned for her safety).

I think sometimes, we are too ready to see more than is there.  And believe me, I've been through a lot, and know what of I speak.  It's important for the system to change, and it's up to us and our allies.  We have to be vigilant in bringing about changes, and protecting not only ourselves, but all LGBTQIA, but those changes won't come about by being hypersensitive when we are not being mistreated.

Quote from: Miss Bev on December 12, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
From what the video itself shows ( I watched it twice), I think is she was treated rather well. 

I watched the whole video and didn't see anything insulting, hostile or rude either. As a trans person, I would be fine with being treated as she was and understand why they did what they did.

Why do they separate genders to begin with? If you think inmates likely to rape each other, instead of building a men's prison and a women's prison, it's probably cheaper to build one big prison and give every inmate a separate cell.

And to begin with, I don't think male criminals are THAT MUCH more likely to rape a woman than they are to rape a man. A dangerous guy who hasn't had sex for a long time won't be making much of a difference, I say.

I never understood the logic between gender separation. Was it a third of the population that was bisexual or homosexual? Then why make such an absolute separation, if it's only going to "protect" a not-so-large majority of people? I think the basic reason why men/women might not behave properly, or appreciate, mixing genders, is that they were taught about the separation in the beginning. I mean, what's up with that? Women are okay with undressing naked in front of other women, knowing very well that instead of 2/3 people watching, as would be the case with men, there would be 1/3 people watching who could get excited. Men won't be seeing an inch of that ever, but women are okay, just because there's less lesbians than straight men? I see no logic in that, apart from weird education. I personally think no one should ever have to undress in front of anyone, but I also believe that separating genders is nonsensical, especially in this situation of jail where we (hopefully) aren't talking about undressing in front of others.

Quote from: A on December 14, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
Why do they separate genders to begin with?

Maybe it's so they won't have little baby prisoners nine months later.

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Quote from: A on December 14, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
Why do they separate genders to begin with? If you think inmates likely to rape each other, instead of building a men's prison and a women's prison, it's probably cheaper to build one big prison and give every inmate a separate cell.

And to begin with, I don't think male criminals are THAT MUCH more likely to rape a woman than they are to rape a man. A dangerous guy who hasn't had sex for a long time won't be making much of a difference, I say.

  Have you ever been in jail? And being solitary confinement is not very nice. And what are you gonna do make everyone stay in their own cell, feed them there etc?

The other thing, people assume a MTF would be safer in a woman's prison, lets not forget -this- woman is in prison. And these are the types of women that are locked up, they are CrAzY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrh2JrtFOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrh2JrtFOU)

Bottom line jail sucks for anyone and while I've never spent more that one night in jail, I have zero interest in going back :P

On the original video, note this is her 3rd DUI, I do NOT feel sorry for a person like this who endangers other innocent peoples lives driving around drunk..

I don't feel sorry for her either, but the fact of the matter is if you get locked up in jail and still have male genitals, you will be classified as male, at least in Las Vegas. Notice how they say she is 100% male at her first classification, and then only after srs/grs surgery is she classified as 100% female. That was my biggest concern.

Quote from: Stephe on December 14, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
  Have you ever been in jail? And being solitary confinement is not very nice. And what are you gonna do make everyone stay in their own cell, feed them there etc?

The other thing, people assume a MTF would be safer in a woman's prison, lets not forget -this- woman is in prison. And these are the types of women that are locked up, they are CrAzY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrh2JrtFOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrh2JrtFOU)

Bottom line jail sucks for anyone and while I've never spent more that one night in jail, I have zero interest in going back :P

On the original video, note this is her 3rd DUI, I do NOT feel sorry for a person like this who endangers other innocent peoples lives driving around drunk..

Stephe, A is not in the US, so I don't think she understands how brutal our jails / prisons are. Or how crowded they are. Or how horrible the people that RUN them are.

However, I'd disagree with anybody that says being an MtF in a male prison is just as bad as being in a womens prison. Yes, there are absolutely nasty women in prison, but there are MORE violent, nasty men in a mens prison, as a population percentage, than in a womens prison.

And for those who want to know more about prisons in the USA for MtFs, look up "Cruel and Unusual" on Youtube.

All I know is, I don't break the law. But all it takes is one cop to think I'm doing something wrong and I'll land in jail. If they threw me in general population with men where I live, I possibly wouldn't get out of there without catching HIV. It's a messed up system that needs to be changed. It's seriously a big reason as to why I want SRS.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 14, 2012, 10:37:15 PM
All I know is, I don't break the law. But all it takes is one cop to think I'm doing something wrong and I'll land in jail. If they threw me in general population with men where I live, I possibly wouldn't get out of there without catching HIV. It's a messed up system that needs to be changed. It's seriously a big reason as to why I want SRS.

I can state that for crimes for some pretty bad things like DUI, you still can get bailed out as soon as someone who knows you finds a bail bonds man. Most cops in a jail situation really don't want to have to deal with us. When I was last thrown in jail 15ish years ago, they did keep me in a solo cell until a friend posted my bail.

Again, at least in the US, if you are trans you need to seriously think twice about doing anything that could land you in jail, especially "doing time". It likely would not end up good. Things like dealing drugs etc is VERY stupid for a trans person to be involved in or around etc. Even smoking weed IMHO isn't a bright thing to be doing if you are trans. It's too easy to get arrested for this and them decide they want to "make an example" of you.

Quote from: Stephe on December 14, 2012, 11:31:38 PM
I can state that for crimes for some pretty bad things like DUI, you still can get bailed out as soon as someone who knows you finds a bail bonds man. Most cops in a jail situation really don't want to have to deal with us. When I was last thrown in jail 15ish years ago, they did keep me in a solo cell until a friend posted my bail.

Again, at least in the US, if you are trans you need to seriously think twice about doing anything that could land you in jail, especially "doing time". It likely would not end up good. Things like dealing drugs etc is VERY stupid for a trans person to be involved in or around etc. Even smoking weed IMHO isn't a bright thing to be doing if you are trans. It's too easy to get arrested for this and them decide they want to "make an example" of you.

In New Orleans, until recently they were arresting black transsexuals for prostitution with absolutely NO evidence that they were prostitutes. Basically officers were using it as blackmail to corner transsexuals into performing sex acts on them. Louisiana has a common policy that pays parishes for every inmate they house. Yep... $22 per prisoner per day, and to get that $22 they must stay in there for 12 hours, so they delay the bond process. This makes it so that it's encouraged that the officers arrest people for anything they can arrest them for. The police here are notoriously corrupt. So corrupt, in fact, that the federal government actually ordered the department to review all of its policies and make changes to make sure they're constitutional.

Not only that, but once in jail, people are regularly denied their medicine. Not just transsexuals, but psych patients are abused this way too. But of course, people in jail don't get any sympathy from the public. Most people just think "Well they shouldn't have broken the law!" .... but the same ones would probably be the ones crying up a storm if they had an attachment for a hit and run they didn't commit and were thrown in jail, not knowing they had something to take care of. It's a messed up system, and this country jails WAY too many of its own people....

I find it really sad that they need to separate genders because the prison is too messed-up to begin with. I hate patches put on flawed systems. It feels like separating Blacks and Whites in a school because there were too many racist acts.

Besides, I think any inmate who might intimidate, aggress or rape others should not be allowed near others... Or have a guardian with them at all times. It's astounding that stuff like "don't speak or else" can actually work.

Okay, that's not how it works in your prisons, from what it sounds like, because everyone is corrupted from the root to the leaves, but that's how it should work. Sigh. Things would be too easy if everyone were able to think logically.

No one deserves to be raped.

We have set punishments for crimes.

It's 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison plus rape

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 14, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
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Funny.  Nice statement

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on December 15, 2012, 09:25:44 AM
No one deserves to be raped.

We have set punishments for crimes.

It's 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison plus rape

What's sad is people are subjected to that while awaiting trial. So they're in there with bad people just because a cop suspects they did something wrong.

After getting help from a couple of the mods(admins?) my ban was taken off and I want to apologize for my rude posts.
The thing is I didn't mean to misgender the woman in the video, I was just quoting what the officer said.

I'm truly sorry to all of you that I bothered since I don't normally go this far, I was just having an off day.