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Title: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 25, 2012, 01:38:45 PM
Kia Ora,

For those members who believe in a creator god, and those who might like to philosophise on the possibility of such a being existing....   

:eusa_think: This is a simple enough question, but the answers could be far from simple...

If you believe/d in a creator of the universe who for the most part is meant to be

Omnipresent-Omnipotent-Omniscient-Omnibenevolent

What could s/he/it possibly want/need from YOU ?

Metta  Zenda  :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 25, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
A simple question begs a simpler answer, and that is:

"Nothing and Everything!!!"
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 25, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
Kia Ora,

::) So does this mean this almighty creator should have no bearing on ones life 'whatsoever' ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 25, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
Ein Soft
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 25, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: peky on December 25, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
Ein Soft

Kia Ora Peky,

Ein Sof=[The nameless being] "Before He gave any shape to the world, before He produced any form, He was alone, without form and without resemblance to anything else. Who then can comprehend how He was before the Creation? Hence it is forbidden to lend Him any form or similitude, or even to call Him by His sacred name, or to indicate Him by a single letter or a single point. . . . But after He created the form of the Heavenly Man, He used him as a chariot wherein to descend, and He wishes to be called after His form, which is the sacred name 'YHWH'."   

::) I'm at a lose as to  how the ancient Hebrews came to understand something which [according to the scribe] is indescribable...

::) It never ceases to amaze me....

Metta Zenda :)

Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:51:30 AM
Kabbalah
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:51:30 AM
Kabbalah

Kia Ora Peky,

::) I don't know much about the ancient mystical side of Judaism, but I gather Kabbalah is your 'personal' truth-what rocks your boat...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Elsa on December 26, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
An Asprin maybe? or maybe a hug? I dunno.  :)

I guess I just don't know.

Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: Zenda on December 26, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

::) I don't know much about the ancient mystical side of Judaism, but I gather Kabbalah is your 'personal' truth-what rocks your boat...

Metta Zenda :)

Kabbalah is a way to make a nexus with G-d
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: Alexia6 on December 26, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
An Asprin maybe? or maybe a hug? I dunno.  :)

I guess I just don't know.

Kia Ora Alexa,

::) Nice one, I like it  ;D And you have been rewarded....

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 03:22:28 PM
Kabbalah is a way to make a nexus with G-d

Kia Ora Peky,

::) Does this involve 'thought' ?

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Elsa on December 26, 2012, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Zenda on December 26, 2012, 03:42:07 PM
Kia Ora Alexa,

::) Nice one, I like it  ;D And you have been rewarded....

Metta Zenda :)

Kia Ora Zenda,

Thanks :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Zenda on December 26, 2012, 03:44:25 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

::) Does this involve 'thought' ?

Metta Zenda :)

The woman of science in me says: "there is no mind, no spirit, no soul, just thoughts"

The spiritual woman in me says: "the nexus is between my spirit and Shechinah and  is mediated by my soul; no thoughts involved"
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
The woman of science in me says: "there is no mind, no spirit, no soul, just thoughts"

The spiritual woman in me says: "the nexus is between my spirit and Shechinah and  is mediated by my soul; no thoughts involved"

Kia Ora Peky,

Good outlook... I hope you find/or have found peace....

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
90% in peace
90% happy
80% satisfied

Will refuse to be 100% in any category
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
90% in peace
90% happy
80% satisfied

Will refuse to be 100% in any category

Kia Ora Peky,

::) Are you 100% sure about this ?  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
Quote from: Zenda on December 26, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

::) Are you 100% sure about this ?  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

almost  ::)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
almost  ::)

Kia Ora Peky,

::) So the percentage may vary  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 26, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
Yeah, but it must not reach 100% or I will turn into a Buddhist
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 26, 2012, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: peky on December 26, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
Yeah, but it must not reach 100% or I will turn into a Buddhist

Kia Ora Peky,

::) If you wear a crucifix, a star of David plus a string of garlic around your neck, and don't let your guard down....you'll be safe from the evils of Buddhism.... ;D

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Sephirah on December 29, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
My beliefs are rather... complicated. I don't believe in a god, as such, but that has always led me to have this odd notion that were such a being to exist then the belief of its creations is what it would need to survive. Rather like Fantasia in The Neverending Story. I sometimes have an amusing image of the various deities sat around a big table somewhere, comparing believers and parts of their afterlife territories which were being consumed by The Nothing as less and less people believed in them. With pie charts and Powerpoint presentations.

"Yeah, we lost the Fifth District of Heaven today. And the Golden Wing province is down to 20%, as you can see. Also, we're running short of harps and someone forgot to put in an order for some more. Not mentioning any names *cough* Peter *cough*. Not too thrilled about that. I'd send him to Hell but from what I gather, the Lake of Fire is turning into more of a puddle. I know some of you wanted to invite Lucifer to this conference but that dude rubs me the wrong way.

There's something to be said for this Religious Climate Change argument that some of the angels are muttering about. I don't believe it myself, but I'm running out of alternative explanations."
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: Anatta on December 29, 2012, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: Sephirah on December 29, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
My beliefs are rather... complicated. I don't believe in a god, as such, but that has always led me to have this odd notion that were such a being to exist then the belief of its creations is what it would need to survive. Rather like Fantasia in The Neverending Story. I sometimes have an amusing image of the various deities sat around a big table somewhere, comparing believers and parts of their afterlife territories which were being consumed by The Nothing as less and less people believed in them. With pie charts and Powerpoint presentations.

"Yeah, we lost the Fifth District of Heaven today. And the Golden Wing province is down to 20%, as you can see. Also, we're running short of harps and someone forgot to put in an order for some more. Not mentioning any names *cough* Peter *cough*. Not too thrilled about that. I'd send him to Hell but from what I gather, the Lake of Fire is turning into more of a puddle. I know some of you wanted to invite Lucifer to this conference but that dude rubs me the wrong way.

There's something to be said for this Religious Climate Change argument that some of the angels are muttering about. I don't believe it myself, but I'm running out of alternative explanations."

Kia Ora Saph,

::) That's an interesting[and I must say amusing  ;D] take on the wants and needs of gods-somewhat like the ancient Greek and Roman gods.....

::) As a non-believer's, I 'wonder' if the god/s want what their believers want, you know, the type of god/s that helps those who help themselves...If the believer's burning desire is to transition-then their god says "Go for it !" ...If they are in two minds about transitioning, god says "You decide-I'm here for you either way!"

::) With the power bestowed upon me from above I reward you for your efforts,[which I found amusing] ;D
Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: peky on December 29, 2012, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: Sephirah on December 29, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
My beliefs are rather... complicated. I don't believe in a god, as such, but that has always led me to have this odd notion that were such a being to exist then the belief of its creations is what it would need to survive. Rather like Fantasia in The Neverending Story. I sometimes have an amusing image of the various deities sat around a big table somewhere, comparing believers and parts of their afterlife territories which were being consumed by The Nothing as less and less people believed in them. With pie charts and Powerpoint presentations.

"Yeah, we lost the Fifth District of Heaven today. And the Golden Wing province is down to 20%,

There's something to be said for this Religious Climate Change argument that some of the angels are muttering about. I don't believe it myself, but I'm running out of alternative explanations."

Agreed! Statement validated. Fact that some humans are aware that good and bad angels have been lost to their on devices is causing great turmoil. Belif human technology approaching level where it may interfere at the spiritual level is of great concern.
Title: Re: What does god want/need ?
Post by: LunarSapphire on October 30, 2013, 05:34:45 AM
I doubt this will be seen, but it intrigues me enough to poke it with a 10 foot pole at least.

After numerous bits of insightful speculationa with myself, i consider itmyself possible the aforementioned divine being perhaps watches everyones lives. If everyone was the same s/he it would get rather bored with us no? So why not allow for limitless variety? Push the wheel but let it roll on its own so to speak? And on further thought, how are us wee little mortals to know what really pleases or dissappoints said being? Food for thought perhaps...