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This randomly came to my mind.

I Writte storys, both like book and comics.
generally I writtes in danish, but as some of my readers are not native, + I work with a guy from canada who jugde and somethimes translate my stuff, so often I write it in english just to spare some time.

I wonder who many on this site who writtes also write in a second languarge, in such caise which languarge do you prefern?

okay I gonna chance it a bit more openly, so it dosent nessesarry have to be storys you writte, it could also be on the net, penpall talking or anything ells which you do often in a second languarge from our native.

I hope more is able to answer now :)

I write or text a Colleague who lives in Japan. and I write in German to my cousins, aunt and Mum in Germany.

I write in the second language all the time. :D Considering my native language is Finnish which isn't the most common language in the world.

I normally write in German and speak it as well. It has been very hard for me to learn english and I still have to go back and correct what I'm writing or saying multiple times. But as "they" say, practice makes perfect, and so, I must continue to work on it.

mi, moi, pretty technical boring stuff though

I write, speak, read German, my native tongue. I also write, read, speak Rumantsch, Italian and Spanish which I know very well, basically like a native. I know French a bit but I am not really familiar with writing it...

@Keaira & AlexxToDream
Seid ihr ursprünglich aus DE?

Andrea

Ja, ich bin aus München

Echt? :-) Supi!!! Wohnst du Denn auch in den USA?

Bin aus Oregon

Ich zog nach Amerika vor 5 Jahren.

Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 03, 2013, 02:43:40 PM
Ich zog nach Amerika vor 5 Jahren.

Und wie gefällt es dir hier?

Quote from: TessaM on January 03, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
I could definitely use a refresher for Italian :P

Direi proprio di sí!!! :-)

Wow now alot of answers came.

do you prefern your native or dose it depend?

in some centext I actually prefern to writte english. Ex if im making a story who takes place in england with alot of English slangs who just sound ridiculous in danish, then I feel it more natural to have it in english than danish.

Somethimes it also just feel more easy, or less personal. But it can be annoyince once in a while if you writte on a languarge and theres something you want to say but you cant say it as you want cause they dont have that way of speaking in the other languarge.
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For writting I only writtes english or danish, When I chat I can use a couple of other languarges like norwegian, Japanese or germany, but my gramma is always extremly horrible on those (I know my gramma is horrible in general)

Do programming languages count?  My work is in C,  and I tend to use C++ or python for my personal projects.

Quote from: EmSchuma on January 04, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
Do programming languages count?  My work is in C,  and I tend to use C++ or python for my personal projects.

True that I will be using that to soon! but I do actually write in my second language sometime, kodwa angithandi ukubhala nesiZulu

Quote from: EmSchuma on January 04, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
Do programming languages count?  My work is in C,  and I tend to use C++ or python for my personal projects.

LOL I dont know XD if it means your to use other languarge than the one you normally use then yes.

Lil-devil prada:
kodwa angithandi... bum bum bum ZULU!!
what dose that mean?

I write in both languages: Finnish and English. Have gotten a photography book published in both languages (of course it didn't contain a lot of text), have written blogs, web pages in both languages and I've worked the past 10 years only in English. I do consider English my second native language.

Now, to learn Swedish, which is actually the second official language here  ;D

English.

Español.

*Insert signs here* (Don't know how to type signs  :P)

(01000010) (01101001) (01101110) (01100001) (01110011) (011011001) (00100000) (01000011) (01101111) (01100100) (01100101) (00101110)

B i n a r y *space* C o d e *period*

Quote from: Natkat on January 04, 2013, 08:33:34 PM
LOL I dont know XD if it means your to use other languarge than the one you normally use then yes.

The only spoken language I know is English, although I've probably learned a few words in French, Spanish and Japanese.  Not nearly enough to put together a sentence.

Quote from: Natkat on January 04, 2013, 08:33:34 PM
LOL I dont know XD if it means your to use other languarge than the one you normally use then yes.

Lil-devil prada:
kodwa angithandi... bum bum bum ZULU!!
what dose that mean?

Means I dont really like writing in zulu because its very very detail requirements and most words have 3 to 6 meanings .... making it well annoying :P

I am Swedish and write in english most of the time.


Other than that I know Icelandic. I need to learn their language fluently because I am going to move there in the next coming 3 years or so.

I hadn't thought of the programming languages one, so I guess I have several there. I can still somewhat write in Arabic. My speaking skills with it have long since vanished since I don't know anybody that speaks it and it's been over 10 years. My writing skills are fading quick too though.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 05, 2013, 08:01:17 AM
Means I dont really like writing in zulu because its very very detail requirements and most words have 3 to 6 meanings .... making it well annoying :P

LOL I had no idea if zulu where a languarge, I just know the word cause we have a tv channel here called zulu with some mascot who drump around with drum music saying "ZULU!" (some wierd stuff like that)

I know that felling, its pretty much the same in japanese, all the words have 1000 of diffrent meanings and 1 word can be said in so many diffrent ways and you shall be carefull specially speaking to people cause ou can easy use the wrong way and insult them pretty badly.

Quote from: Carolina1983 on January 05, 2013, 08:21:25 AM
I am Swedish and write in english most of the time.

Other than that I know Icelandic. I need to learn their language fluently because I am going to move there in the next coming 3 years or so.

Cool I know icelandics very difficult.

Do you know how Iceland stand with transgender rights?
it shouldn't be the best, but it should had been improved the past few years of what I heard, which sure is good.

Quote from: Natkat on January 05, 2013, 10:21:34 AM
LOL I had no idea if zulu where a languarge, I just know the word cause we have a tv channel here called zulu with some mascot who drump around with drum music saying "ZULU!" (some wierd stuff like that)

I know that felling, its pretty much the same in japanese, all the words have 1000 of diffrent meanings and 1 word can be said in so many diffrent ways and you shall be carefull specially speaking to people cause ou can easy use the wrong way and insult them pretty badly.

Haha cannot blame you for not knowing it because my country has 11 offical languages :P and its a African language so like no one knows it XD. You know one of those click languages ignorant fools like to make fun of.

It is not the easiest language but managable because its quite similar to how we talk here where I live, the wordings and such. The big difference is how we write :O.


Yeah as you said its not the best place for a ts. But there are other things thats better there. But I wont move there until I am passable and speaks Icelandic fluently, hopefully it will make it somewhat easier for me.

Quote from: Natkat on January 05, 2013, 10:25:31 AM
Cool I know icelandics very difficult.

Do you know how Iceland stand with transgender rights?
it shouldn't be the best, but it should had been improved the past few years of what I heard, which sure is good.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 05, 2013, 10:29:50 AM
Haha cannot blame you for not knowing it because my country has 11 offical languages :P and its a African language so like no one knows it XD. You know one of those click languages ignorant fools like to make fun of.

ah then I might have heard it before, I once saw a video how to speak a languarge with alot of those clicking sound I am not sure if it where Zulu or another languarge but it where a african one, and it sounded like zulu. (I just looked up how zulu sounds)

Quote from: Carolina1983 on January 05, 2013, 10:40:59 AM
It is not the easiest language but managable because its quite similar to how we talk here where I live, the wordings and such. The big difference is how we write :O.

Yeah as you said its not the best place for a ts. But there are other things thats better there. But I wont move there until I am passable and speaks Icelandic fluently, hopefully it will make it somewhat easier for me.

yeah I can read swedish is I concentrate but icelandic is imposible..
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I hope so,
but also for transition parts you should make sure to check on how that works,
I dont know so much all exactly on iceland as I only know about 1 tg my friend knows from iceland and she didnt transition there but in denmark, the other folks from I know there had been cis so cant ask them either.

Im just telling you cause I know about people who come here not all aware of the rules and then get into trouble because out of sudden they cant transition due to problems with the goverment or having a hard time doing it, like theres 1 guy from the US and he where registered male and everything, but cause he wasnt aware of the rules he where to get registered as female and now he got 2 passports of the same person male and female, and he cant be female here but he is male in the US its very wierd. So if I where you I would try find a TG person in iceland to guide you thought the whole thing so when you get there you will know where to go and what to avoid and all those things..

Hope it will be great :)

I write in English and Norwegian.

Natkat : Sounds weird :O.


I will investigate further later on. I spoke with a girl from there a few months ago and she didnt have any problems. But its good to check out the rules anyway.


From the info that I have gathered the situation has improved alot in Iceland over the last years so I think that it will work out :)

Quote from: Carolina1983 on January 06, 2013, 03:06:38 AM
Natkat : Sounds weird :O.


I will investigate further later on. I spoke with a girl from there a few months ago and she didnt have any problems. But its good to check out the rules anyway.


From the info that I have gathered the situation has improved alot in Iceland over the last years so I think that it will work out :)

it was because he where not sterilizated.

In Denmark they would require him to be sterilizated and getting a permission from SK which could take 2 years or more, and in the state he where before they didnt require sterilization and even if he had permission from a gender therapist it didnt count.
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yes I heard so as well,
its been more out, and people got more knowlegde of the topic.
I just think its very important to make sure of all this so your not to worry.

I write songs in both Catalan and English, but I'm also writing a comic in Spanish. Will anyone ever read it? Not like I care xD

Quote from: NotThereYet on January 03, 2013, 03:09:52 PM
Und wie gefällt es dir hier?

Gut, aber nicht gleich.

Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 11:26:39 AM
Gut, aber nicht gleich.

Ich persönlich hab ja die Schnauze  voll vom "Land der freien" und will unbedingt zurück nach meiner alten Heimat...

Haha, ja gut ... Ich stimme eher zu.

Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 11:59:01 AM
Haha, ja gut ... Ich stimme eher zu.

Das Leben hier ist einfach viel zu verrückt, unmenschlich. Die Kultur und das System gefallen mir einfach nicht. Ich will ein ganz normales Leben mit Urlaub, nette Gesellschaft und so. So was hat man hier nur selten, also nur wenn man reich ist. . Verstehst du was ich meine?

Ja, und die Medien hier ist schrecklich. Es ist Gift für die Seele.

Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
Ja, und die Medien hier ist schrecklich. Es ist Gift für die Seele.

Genau! Gift ist das!

Kennst du übrigens ne gute Vermittlungsagentur in München?

Hmm ... Das müsste ich wieder mit Ihnen auf. Es ist schon eine Weile her, seit ich in München war, und ich habe eine Menge bewegt.

Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
Hmm ... Das müsste ich wieder mit Ihnen auf. Es ist schon eine Weile her, seit ich in München war, und ich habe eine Menge bewegt.

Verstehe. Kein Problem, hab nur so danach gefragt. Werd einfach im Internet nachsuchen.

Und wie Lange bist du transe, wenn man fragen  darf? Hab vor 3-1/2 Monaten mit HRT begonnen... :-)

Ich habe für 3 oder 4 Jahre jetzt gewesen. Aber ich bin nicht auf irgendwelche Hormone.

Danish and Norwegian are definitely more alike in written, than in spoken form.

Quote from: kyh on January 08, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
Danish is a very cool language! I wish I could speak it :3

say "hej" (pronouced like in hi in english) that is: "hi"
say: "hej hej" that is "bye bye".

now you know fluent danish XD LOL hehe

Quote from: Alex_K on January 06, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
I write songs in both Catalan and English, but I'm also writing a comic in Spanish. Will anyone ever read it? Not like I care xD

I probably will, love comic and making one myself, Only problem is I dont know spanish (at least not yet) but maybe I can get some friend to translate.

Quote from: kyh on January 08, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
Danish is a very cool language! I wish I could speak it :3 I especially love the fact that knowing Danish allows you to read books in Norwegian (and I heard to a lesser extent Swedish) too.

I speak as well as read and write in Chinese, but I'm definitely more comfortable in English as I was born in Canada.

tecnically I should know a bit chinese as I know some Japanese and some of the signs is the same used both in japan and chinese. But I dont know which one of the signs who has the same meaning in both languarge and which one has diffrent meaning. so thats brings me back to point zero.

I think the symbol for "friend" is the same: 友

Quote from: Natkat on January 09, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
tecnically I should know a bit chinese as I know some Japanese and some of the signs is the same used both in japan and chinese. But I dont know which one of the signs who has the same meaning in both languarge and which one has diffrent meaning. so thats brings me back to point zero.

I think the symbol for "friend" is the same: 友

By Chinese do you mean Wu or Mandarin or Cantonese?? Sorry I just find it weird people say chinese when china has 3 offical languages and countless minor lanuages.

Quote from: Natkat on January 09, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
tecnically I should know a bit chinese as I know some Japanese and some of the signs is the same used both in japan and chinese. But I dont know which one of the signs who has the same meaning in both languarge and which one has diffrent meaning. so thats brings me back to point zero.

I think the symbol for "friend" is the same: 友

Japanese language structure and grammar is very, very different from any of the Chinese dialects. Japanese borrows Chinese characters and words, and many have similar meanings, but it usually only means that with a knowledge of one, you can sometimes recognize the general meaning of some characters, and not always reliably.

I learned Mandarin at one point, and got about as close to fluency as one can without being born in a Chinese speaking culture. At best I can only get the gist of Japanese signs (when they happen to use mainly Kanji). My son probably understands more Japanese than I do, due to his big interest in anime, manga and Japanese music. I do have some limited understanding of Cantonese and some of the other dialects that are close to Mandarin.

I had enough high school German (and retained enough of it later on) to muddle through on a trip to Berlin, once... and enough comprehension to manage to get one of the last seats on a plane heading back to Boston after our flight from Budapest to Frankfurt ran into some unexpected delays, and those who did not know German were scrambling to find replacement flights for those they had missed.

It also helped us get a free first class upgrade for that leg of the trip (mainly because I could tell the Lufthansa staff to expect a flood of people from our flight, which for some reason no one in the terminal was yet aware of).

Some of our luggage, though, was lost for at least a few weeks on the return, but my recollection was that the screw-up there happened between Boston and Philly.

Quote from: DianaP on January 05, 2013, 12:32:39 AM
English.

Español.

*Insert signs here* (Don't know how to type signs  :P)

(01000010) (01101001) (01101110) (01100001) (01110011) (011011001) (00100000) (01000011) (01101111) (01100100) (01100101) (00101110)

B i n a r y *space* C o d e *period*

No hay espanol, nada que ver..tu dices castillan si? LOL Mi padre hera mitad catalan, y ahi tu vez nada le encojonaba mas que alguien le pregunte si abla "espanol" Haha pero si en ecuado decimos espanol, pero lo que ablan los guayaco, bueno nadie saben que lenagua es aquella...creo que se llama monada.. >:-)

Si, en Ecuador, decimos, "Español."  :P

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 09, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
By Chinese do you mean Wu or Mandarin or Cantonese?? Sorry I just find it weird people say chinese when china has 3 offical languages and countless minor lanuages.

uhm.. I dont know?.. its only the kanji who somethimes got the same meaning? but I dont know how they use them in china?

like Elspeth said

Quote from: Natkat on January 10, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
uhm.. I dont know?.. its only the kanji who somethimes got the same meaning? but I dont know how they use them in china?

like Elspeth said

Kanji is actually the one that has different ways you can read any symbol.

For an example 恵 has two meaning, both are names however.
It can be read as Kei(mainly for female use with this specific kanji symbol) and also Megumi(also female).

The thing is sadly Kanji is the mainly used of their 3(or 4 i never remember) alphabets so japanese is just really hard to learn.

Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji are all influenced by china however Kanji is almost exact(not really but its similar) copy in a way, I heard katakana was built of short hand early communicaton with china, and Hiragana is the main forgein communication alphabet.

Do correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: Natkat on January 10, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
uhm.. I dont know?.. its only the kanji who somethimes got the same meaning? but I dont know how they use them in china?

Chinese uses only what in Japanese are called kanji. I believe the total number of characters is larger (and the system of radicals, the bits that make up each character) has been used to generate new words over time.  In part this is possible because there are almost no inflections in Chinese, no verb tenses, no modifiers of nouns to indicate various properties. Japanese is highly inflected (even has separate modifiers conditioned by the gender speaking, and the social status of speaker and listener in many cases). Older forms of Chinese do have some social status conventions, but they are largely expressed in terms of honorific adjectives used to express politeness and respect (most are no longer used in modern Chinese either on the mainland or elsewhere).

There are radicals that sometimes suggest the phonemic content (the sound of) a word, but these are not regular or entirely predictable. Most of Japanese writing, aside from the kanji, is essentially a phonetic representation, similar to our alphabet or others like Cyrillic, Greek or Hebrew alphabets, though often the Japanese symbols represent combinations of consonant and vowel sounds.

With Chinese writing one more or less has to memorize the sounds associated with each character, and learn how meaning changes depending on the combinations of characters used. However, the grammar is much, much simpler and systematic than Japanese or English (or any other language I know of, for that matter), so some aspects are easier to learn.

There are some phonetic symbols that are used for indexing dictionaries and so on, but they are hardly ever used outside of early language education, or as tools in dictionaries and some language textbooks or lesson materials.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 10, 2013, 03:14:55 PM
Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji are all influenced by china

Influenced is the right word. There's some overlap between those various alphabets and the symbols used in some Chinese language learning. The Japanese symbols are used regularly in written text and other writing. I suspect you know more about how they are used than I do... I have some Japanese dictionaries and have tried to learn a little over the years, but have not spent that much time studying Japanese, except to agree that I find the writing system fairly complicated and know that I'm far from a good understanding of how and why each of those symbol sets is used in the ways that they are.

Sound about right to me. I'll leave it to someone fluent in Japanese to point out any of the finer points.

 jIH laH write Daq tlhIngan, chugh vetlh counts.

ang vulcan,

ang romulan.

Quote from: kyh on January 10, 2013, 08:42:53 PM
(I'm of the opinion that characters belong just as much to the Japanese as the Chinese, as they've been using them for hundreds of years now).

I wouldn't dispute that, though phrased this way it could be a bit misleading to someone not familiar with both languages. As I've said, I haven't studied Japanese as closely as my son has. Did Japanese have a writing system prior to adapting Chinese characters and radicals to the task? I'm not aware of one, so in that sense at least, yes, Japanese has as much claim to them, even though they weren't invented by the Japanese. (Chinese characters go back to (I think) at least 2000 BCE, unless I'm misremembering).

I suspect that Chinese linguists may have borrowed back some of the conventions Japanese adopted to use radicals and modified characters to serve as phonetic symbols, but that's not something I've ever researched in detail. Korean also borrowed Chinese characters, though their phonetic alphabet is considerably simpler that what developed in Japanese. That may relate, though, to how Japanese (or so it seems to me) is so much more inflected than Korean seems to be. (Had a roommate in the Korean course, but again, I only learned a smattering of it, so my impressions could be very mistaken).