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Hi, so I was curious when the first time will be roughly when I will notice actual changes in my face due to hormones, I'm at about 4 months and I haven't noticed any changes, I know it's a long process, I was just wondering what others had noticed for this and when it happened exactly. Thanks for any input or answers, I appreciate it! :)

You probably already have some changes it just hard to tell when look at yourself everyday. Try looking back at older pictures before hormones then look at the most recent picture of yourself you will probably notice a difference. I was just today I was looking at a picture of myself five days before I started hormones and comparing it to picture of myself from last week and I can see a difference in my face and I've only been on hormones seven weeks. I haven't realized my face had changed as much as it has. I'm still not passable but at least I know I'm making progress.  :)

I really can't answer other than to say that I was on them for about 6 months several years ago and the only changes I noticed were in skin and sex organ functionality.

Quote from: Heather on February 04, 2013, 12:45:15 AM
You probably already have some changes it just hard to tell when look at yourself everyday. Try looking back at older pictures before hormones then look at the most recent picture of yourself you will probably notice a difference. I was just today I was looking at a picture of myself five days before I started hormones and comparing it to picture of myself from last week and I can see a difference in my face and I've only been on hormones seven weeks. I haven't realized my face had changed as much as it has. I'm still not passable but at least I know I'm making progress.  :)

Hmm. Maybe there were changes for me then. There are very few pictures of me out there because I hate cameras though, so I have nothing to compare to. That could explain my therapist telling me I had very feminine features in my face though.

Quote from: Emily52736 on February 04, 2013, 12:54:25 AM
Hmm. Maybe there were changes for me then. There are very few pictures of me out there because I hate cameras though, so I have nothing to compare to. That could explain my therapist telling me I had very feminine features in my face though.

You don't have to hate cameras I think I look terrible in my photos but I am starting to see an improvement in the way I look. Which helps me when I'm feeling down and think I'll never pass all have to do is look at one of my better shots and feel better about myself.

See for yourself:

My Transition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TQnTrqhtg#)

Heather: I went back and looked through photos over the last 4 months and maybe there is a tiny bit of change but honestly I just think it's that my hair got longer but I will definitely keep checking back and forth and I still think you look great!

Emily: I've definitely noticed those changes for sure over the last few months.

Alaina: You changed a lot over the year! I definitely saw the most change from 7 months - 1 year mark, and after the end of the year, you look like a normal passing female!

Albina: I've definitely noticed the softening of the skin as well overall, but my face doesn't look noticeably different yet in my opinion, and congrats on going out completely after 4 months of hormones, I hope I get there soon!

I certainly hope there are tons of changes waiting for me ahead, God knows I need them :P

By the fourth-fifth month I looked cis but I had neotenous traits beforehand so I just needed a little bump. Usually facial changes occur at the 7-9 months mark.( Just look at YT transitions you'll notice the main changes around that period)

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on February 04, 2013, 01:34:45 AM
See for yourself:

Alaina: 
Never saw photos of you other than the avatar.   The changes are absolutely STUNNING!
     
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Thanks for the compliments all :)

As you can see from my avatar (and my FB page for those of yall who friended me), changes are still happening too. I'd say the biggest changes after nearly 1.5 years has been between the 12th and 16th month. At around 16 months I only needed concealer to cover my remaining facial hair in order to pass.

I noticed changes in the 6th month just looking at pictures. Here is the picture I posted last week in the before after thread that has each month side by side. In reality I think there is small changes every week. I would recommend that you take at-least 2-3 pictures a day of yourself just to record it. This will really help when we have our low days. Its a great confidence builder too seeing where you came from to today. On a side note. Keep in mind that you have to have patience. This journey doesn't happen over night as much as we wish it would. There is lessons that need to be learned each day in transition I feel that help us develop into who we are tomorrow.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1269.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj587%2FSerenaLynn24%2FTIME_zpsd597c83b.jpg&hash=c36b3a52c841b5dda0e5204d252f8b98d4842948)

It's unbelievable what hormones can do. Hope I get the same types of results when I get back on them and I'll definitely remember to take pictures.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on February 04, 2013, 01:34:45 AM
See for yourself:

My Transition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TQnTrqhtg#)

That was unvelievable. And yes, I liked the music.

I would say I really didn't notice changes until about 7 months, mostly because the changes are so gradual you rarely ever notice them. Truth be told, I wouldn't have noticed them then if a friend hadn't pointed out some changes from the picture on my driver's license. But yeah, less pronounced brow, fuller cheeks, slightly thinner nose, softer skin are the most prominent changes.

And Alaina, lovely video. I especially loved the music selection.

I noticed changes in the first month, mostly to my skin.  I've said elsewhere, and it's true, it took about 3 years before I stopped looking like a different person every three months.  It is a slow but steady process, with subtle but substantial changes.  Patience!  That's all I know to say.  :)

Alaina I think my self esteem takes a hit every time I see one of your pictures.

Quote from: Heather on February 04, 2013, 10:29:38 AM
Alaina I think my self esteem takes a hit every time I see one of your pictures.

I thought it was interesting she had a pic at 7 months that said "first time in girl mode". Was that really the first time? Don't answer that. I want to go on living knowing that the reason my self esteem also takes a hit is that I started doing it before hormones :)

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Every time I think I might need FFS I look at cis woman and I go "oh they have that too"

I work with a woman that has the exact same hairline as me and she doesn't give two craps because she wears her hair back all the time.

I think we look at little "masculine" features and blow them way out of proportion while a cis woman may have the same features and never given them a second though because shes not worried about "passing," shes comfortable with who she is.

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Quote from: Emily52736 on February 04, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
I thought it was interesting she had a pic at 7 months that said "first time in girl mode". Was that really the first time? Don't answer that. I want to go on living knowing that the reason my self esteem also takes a hit is that I started doing it before hormones :)

There was no way I could pass pre-hrt. The fat in my face was EXTREMELY male.

Quote from: TessaM on February 04, 2013, 11:07:30 AM
im already booked for the 28th of febuary... chin work, jaw work, nose, forehead, brow

I would personally wait at least two years just because the changes were much less drastic after that for me.  Also, I had a setback where my levels got off, so my 3 years is probably more like 2 for those that don't have that happen.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on February 04, 2013, 11:27:21 AM
There was no way I could pass pre-hrt. The fat in my face was EXTREMELY male.

I feel the same way about my shoulders. That's why I only go out to support groups in full femme mode, although the friends I just came out to are really pushing about me going shopping at the mall with them. I think they forgot how masculine my walk is. They have the attitude I need. The !@#$ them attitude.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 04, 2013, 01:47:51 AM
Heather: I went back and looked through photos over the last 4 months and maybe there is a tiny bit of change but honestly I just think it's that my hair got longer but I will definitely keep checking back and forth and I still think you look great!

Give it time I'm sure your going to make a beautiful woman. A year from now I bet your going to look incredible and your young to. I wish I had the courage to be myself when I was your age. The best advice I can give is to look at hormones  the same way I did when I lost weight. Its not what you look like today that matters its what you look like 6 months to a year from now is what really matters. Just keep your mind on the future and don't worry about today. :)

Thank you everyone who commented, it definitely seems like more of the changes happen later on than where I currently am where is definitely a relief. I really appreciate all of your feedback! :)

Quote from: TessaM on February 04, 2013, 10:55:28 AM
All this talk about facial changes and... im starting to have doubts on whether getting FFS after just over about a year on HRT is a good idea...

I would recommend waiting, if your avatar is anything to go by.  I got by fine with no FFS, and I was no picture pre HRT.  I noticed the biggest changes from 2 to 3 years.  If you're passing well now, why do you need FFS?

Quote from: TessaM on February 05, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
to be prettier lol
I also really dislike my chin ... and I have an adams apple. Apperantly tho none of my friends ever noticed it and have trouble seeing it unless i tilt my head back and swallow. They told me this while we were hammered so I know they are serious. I dont think I "need" any work... just want to make men want me and women want to be me. (im bad, I know  >:-) )

Well that's fair enough.  There's nothing like being desired.   A few cis girls I know have tiny 'adams apples' and no one would doubt their femininity. 

Really, you could just call it having a face lift :) 

I have FFS in my transition plans but not until after SRS, which itself is still a few years out. I've been told by many who are much further down the line than myself that patience is a virtue during transition. Give HRT time to work. Give yourself time to change your presentation, mannerisms, voice. Give yourself time to remove facial hair (which all by itself also causes minor facial structure changes in the skin).

Quote from: LizMarie on February 07, 2013, 01:05:46 AM
I have FFS in my transition plans but not until after SRS, which itself is still a few years out. I've been told by many who are much further down the line than myself that patience is a virtue during transition. Give HRT time to work. Give yourself time to change your presentation, mannerisms, voice. Give yourself time to remove facial hair (which all by itself also causes minor facial structure changes in the skin).

That's very true.  These things take time.  Girls take years to turn into women.

If you've got time then it's best just to let nature take it's course and let the hormones do their work.  Looking back I could notice very subtle changes in my face even up to 5 years + on HRT.  After SRS there are still minor changes as your body doesn't have any T to fight against.