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I'm just curious what some people are like on their days off. I realize this is a personal thing and by no means should you feel the necessity to post here.

I'll also confess, I'm an artist and seeing the innate changes the genetics have on one's outward appearance simply fascinate me. This is to the point where I constantly paint faces and repaint them with slightly different features to see what exactly pushes masculinity/androgyny/femininity.

I haven't actually started transition yet but I'll post my own pictures soon, just so people don't think I'm asking without giving :P (maybe a few paintings of myself after my planned procedures as well if I feel so inclined.)

I'm game, lol

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Me not done up at all except for the hair band

-Christina

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Me literally 5 minutes ago about to take a nap after work. I had to force the smile.. ::)

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Quote from: muuu on February 23, 2013, 05:45:41 PM
Oh, I've thought about that. Unfortunately I can't draw :p

If I have some spare time and you send me some references/desire I could paint a rough of how certain alterations may look. Again though, I literally have school for at least 75 hours a week, so it my be a while before any fruit comes to bear.

Have a look at my profile pic.. Or almost any pic of me posted here..

I almost never wear makeup.

Here you go:

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No makeup pics..

Just woken up (censored for decency!)

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Typical end of a long work day (about 9:30pm!)

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This is me in guy mode today on the way to the gym :-\                                                                                                                                 

Hi,

As a woman i do it all the time no matter where i go or who i meet & that means some high ranking people ,

If you count lippy & eyebrow liner becuse of scar's to my eyebrow due to being burnt on the right side of my face, my pic on the left is what every one see's .   sorry i cant load pic's,

No one is bothered people are so used to me &  new people just accept  this is who i am , what you see is just me,

...noeleena...

Quote from: Assoluta on February 23, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
No makeup pics..

Just woken up (censored for decency!)

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Typical end of a long work day (about 9:30pm!)

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You look like my cousin. She's adorable.  :)

I rarely wear make up! only a little to hide the dark rings around my eyes.

Here you go, I posted it last night, but took it down.

I'll leave it this time though, lol.

old, ugly,crazy and no makeup.
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Quote from: crazy at the coast on February 24, 2013, 03:47:50 PM
Here you go, I posted it last night, but took it down.

I'll leave it this time though, lol.

old, ugly,crazy and no makeup.
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Well for an old, ugly, crazy old bat, you have a really nice face without makeup!  :D ;D >:-) :laugh:

my profile pic is no make up but if someone will post another pic for me i will email them one :angel:

Besides cracking a very expensive lense, you wouldn't believe it's the same person  :o

Here is one of me in "boy" mode, no make up, no wig; clearly a boy :(

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Quote from: EmmaS on February 24, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
Here is one of me in "boy" mode, no make up, no wig; clearly a boy :(

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emma idk you still look like  a girl in this pic. only with shorter hair.

Can't believe I'm doing this. Once I start HRT and get laser, I'm hoping I won't look so manish, but its nothig FFS can't fix after i get SRS, finances depending.

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Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 25, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
Can't believe I'm doing this. Once I start HRT and get laser, I'm hoping I won't look so manish, but its nothig FFS can't fix after i get SRS, finances depending.

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My gut reaction on seeing this was "ooh, this guy will pass better once he starts T". Then I remembered which forum I was in. :p

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Quote from: AlexD on February 25, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
My gut reaction on seeing this was "ooh, this guy will pass better once he starts T". Then I remembered which forum I was in. :p

Aww, thanks.  ^-^

Me in guy-mode, a couple days ago with my guitar. Pretty manly looking.

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Abysmal quality, I know. But I liked this thread and wanted to post in it.

I also almost never ever wear makeup, only time I wear makeup is if I'm on stage, which lately is never.

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Quote from: lydia_s on February 25, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Me in guy-mode, a couple days ago with my guitar. Pretty manly looking.

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except that your hair is curlier than your avatar, they seem one and the same.

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Quote from: lydia_s on February 25, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Me in guy-mode, a couple days ago with my guitar. Pretty manly looking.

No waaaay! I think you definitely look very femme in "guy mode"!!!

I wish the same could be said about me :/ My avatar is me without makeup and these two are me in "guy mode" omw to and at work.

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I pretty much never wear makeup.

Also, I am a complete goofball.

And my hair explodes like all the time.

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@Everyone

I think you all look beautiful without makeup! :)

I'm really surprised and pleased with how this thread picked up steam. you're all doin fine ;D

Such an awesome idea, kinda reminds me of my trashy mags - "Hollywood Celebs without makeup, omg!" except of coarse we are much more classy and beautiful than them  ;)

This is truly frightening for me as I don't even go buy milk without makeup.
These were taken this morning before I put my work face on.
The after I posted too, in the "Fabulous Thread"

Meet Featureless Andro Boy (well thats what I see)

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Quote from: Jay-Bird on February 26, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
Meet Featureless Andro Boy (well thats what I see)

I see a lady :)

Quote from: encircle me on February 26, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
I see a lady :)

I'm with you, she's a doll face!

hahah, trashy mags are always fun to take a jab at :P

I guess the reason I made this thread though was to one show people that most of them can pass just fine without makrup, and two I was curious as to what sort of results people were getting from hrt and body modifications because I want to reach a point where I don't need makeup. where I can just walk out and be gendered consistently as female.

Quote from: tomthom on February 26, 2013, 10:29:18 PM
hahah, trashy mags are always fun to take a jab at :P

I guess the reason I made this thread though was to one show people that most of them can pass just fine without makrup, and two I was curious as to what sort of results people were getting from hrt and body modifications because I want to reach a point where I don't need makeup. where I can just walk out and be gendered consistently as female.

I think this thread is a great idea and certainly it does give another perspective for people just starting or going through.

So far as passing without makeup, for me personally I have no idea if I do or don't because I have never left the house without it! Perhaps I will go buy some milk without one day, maybe....

Quote from: Jay-Bird on February 26, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
So far as passing without makeup, for me personally I have no idea if I do or don't because I have never left the house without it! Perhaps I will go buy some milk without one day, maybe....

I test out going out in "boy" mode all the time! ;) Like today I was waiting on a burger and this guy was like "Are you in line young man? :'(

Quote from: EmmaS on February 26, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
I test out going out in "boy" mode all the time! ;) Like today I was waiting on a burger and this guy was like "Are you in line young man? :'(

Emma just give it a little more time. your coming along so well

actually emma, do you have a good picture I could use of your face? a head on or quarter view. I'm curious if I play with some non makeup features if I could get you to full passing in "boy mode"

preferably one with hair pulled back so the full bone structure of the forehead and occipital ridges are showing.

I'm an artist, so minor aesthetic changes are always mind bogglingly important and fun to play with for me.

Quote from: tomthom on February 26, 2013, 11:08:59 PM
actually emma, do you have a good picture I could use of your face? a head on or quarter view. I'm curious if I play with some non makeup features if I could get you to full passing in "boy mode"

I'm an artist, so minor aesthetic changes are always mind bogglingly important and fun to play with for me.

Sure, that sounds like fun! :) Can I link that same one that I used before?

Quote from: EmmaS on February 26, 2013, 11:10:28 PM
Sure, that sounds like fun! :) Can I link that same one that I used before?

I just edited my message. one with your hair pulled back is preferable. it gives more context to the bone structure's overall effect.

Quote from: tomthom on February 26, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
I just edited my message. one with your hair pulled back is preferable. it gives more context to the bone structure's overall effect.

Does this work for that? I didn't have anything to hold in place back so I just put it back as much as I can and I look ridiculous lol.

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Quote from: EmmaS on February 26, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
I test out going out in "boy" mode all the time! ;) Like today I was waiting on a burger and this guy was like "Are you in line young man? :'(

hmm, that's not so easy for me anymore, I have no boy clothes left and I would have to painfully bind too.
That and I think if I had to dress as a boy again, I would probably do some serious amounts of sobbing, its been a while would be kinda weird now.
Guess I will just peer over the counter so they can only see my face when I go buy milk  ;)

Even if I'm trying, I don't pass as male anymore. And I've even tried. There's just so many features that say the opposite of boy. no adams apple, my voice, face... People think that the facial hair is because of some side effect of a shot I might have had.

Emma by looking at your picture you do look feminine already just wait until your hair grows out I doubt you'll be called young man then.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 26, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Does this work for that? I didn't have anything to hold in place back so I just put it back as much as I can and I look ridiculous lol.

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alright, here ya go. I added more hair to the back and to the front(front being a bit more obvious) and it's all very rough to give you an idea. I also did some color correction stuff just because I can't help it. but as you can see once your hair properly frames your face and forehead is more covered, it's extremely hard to see you as a boy

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Quote from: tomthom on February 26, 2013, 11:52:24 PM
alright, here ya go. I added more hair to the back and to the front(front being a bit more obvious) and it's all very rough to give you an idea. I also did some color correction stuff just because I can't help it. but as you can see once your hair properly frames your face and forehead is more covered, it's extremely hard to see you as a boy

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Well cool, thanks for taking the time to do that :)

no prob. little edits like that take 5 minutes tops.

Joanna, I think you'll pass fine once you start. I image the edges of your chine will fill out quite nicely.

Thanks tomthom! I can't wait til my face rounds out, clears up, smooths out and gets a little "puffy" and soft.  I'm hoping against hope that possibly the tip of my nose shrinks. It used to be pretty delicate and then around  age 20 the tip took on a life of its own. Fracking testosterone, ew. I can pinch it though and it's all skin and fat so its possible estrogen counteracts that. But I'm not banking on it. I'm just tired of pretending to be a man. 

Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 27, 2013, 12:57:40 AM
I'm just tired of pretending to be a man.

I think we all are. :)

Quote from: Heather on February 27, 2013, 01:04:28 AM
I think we all are. :)

I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen....but I have this brain thing all up in my business and it gives me sh*t like 24/7.

I'm a very tomboyish girl and it's hard to believe that I could ever been read as anything other than a feminine guy.

Quote from: encircle me on February 27, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen....but I have this brain thing all up in my business and it gives me sh*t like 24/7.

I'm a very tomboyish girl and it's hard to believe that I could ever been read as anything other than a feminine guy.

hahaha, I'm the same way, no worries. Although I do enjoy throwing in some dramatic flair, although I think that comes from hanging out in the art community more than anything else. I fully intend to be just as much of a gaming nerd with a slight domineering streak as a woman as I have been as a man. Can't wait until I get my first "fake gamer girl" abuse so I can rip them a new one.

Quote from: encircle me on February 27, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen.

A lot of cis women don't wear makeup. I don't because it's a lot of work and I don't think that defines me anyway. I do use several different facial care products  moisturizer, under eye care and chubby stick lip color occasionally from Clinique, facial cleanser and hair products from Aveda, but I can't see making up my face before stepping out the door each day as a validating thing for me. Perhaps I'm just plain lazy and prefer to present in androgynous mode anyway.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 27, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
Well there's lots of girls around these days who are too lazy to wear makeup aside from special occasions, so that's not that weird if it's your thing, OTOH most girls actually are feminine, just makeup isn't always the way they express their femininity [. . . .]

And I'm not talking down about these things, I'm just saying, if we believe brain sex is what makes ya trans, it's only natural that most MAAB people whose brain sex dips into the female range don't dip that far, or maybe they don't even dip into the female range, just close enough to it that it causes gender confusion.

It seems as though you're implying a correlation between how far brain sex "dips into" the female range, and the degree to which a person participates in certain activities and behaviors typically associated with femininity. I dont agree with you. 

This has really been at the core of a long struggle of questioning the validity of my belief that I am female, that I am trans, because I am not inclined to this set of behaviors and activities that are "Feminine."

Femininity and masculinity are arguably socially constructed (this is a view I subscribe to), and so I would argue that its entirely possible that my brain sex is completely,  unmistakably female. A combination of personal preferences and socialization accounts for my relative disinterest in traditionally feminine things.

I suppose I should have called out the distinction I implicitly wrote into my post about not "acting feminine" because I certainly didnt mean to imply that I dont feel like a woman, or even that I dont feel like I have feminine personality traits. I believe my brain sex is just as female as any person who embraces all society deems feminine.

Of course, its hard to say that I'm not just blowing smoke, as we really dont have a whole lot of a clue what actually accounts for the gendered human experience and the formation of gendered identity.

while intriguing, let's try and reel in the gender debates for this thread. if you do make a new thread for t though, I'd appreciate a PM to follow it.

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two without makeup

first picture I still had my bushman eyebrows :P

.. I like butterflies :3

Quote from: Hideyoshi on March 03, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
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.. I like butterflies :3

You're a cute gal! Butterflies are meaningful to us huh?

Quote from: Shantel on March 03, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
You're a cute gal! Butterflies are meaningful to us huh?

thanks! ya I didn't realize that until right after I posted my pictures, hehe

I remember getting in a fight with a boy who was killing butterflies on the soccer field when I was like 8.  Maybe a peek into the future of what I would become? :D

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You look every bit a woman regardless Catherine!

Thank you Shantel. I'm confident you look just as good,if not better.

Huggs
Catherine

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on March 06, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
Thank you Shantel. I'm confident you look just as good,if not better.

Huggs
Catherine

Don't put any money on it Catherine!  ;D

Everything is going fantastic today so I'll play along and post two.  Hope it works this time. 

One from yesterday with a wig and just little makeup to cover a couple skin flaws.  And then a wide view with absolutely nothing from a few weeks ago.  Almost no difference.   :(

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Me being silly just a few seconds ago... in a pareo, no doubt!  ;D

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I have no make-up on... which is odd, because I always wear make-up when I go out!

Quote from: Sita on March 08, 2013, 04:37:05 AM
Me being silly just a few seconds ago... in a pareo, no doubt!  ;D

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I have no make-up on... which is odd, because I always wear make-up when I go out!

Just a doll face!

Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 08, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Oh sorry. Well you can disregard my post, I don't subscribe to that view personally.  I have just done too much research on those things to think it is entirely social.  But that is just me.

I totally agree. Girl You Look Fierce. I was brought up uber-male, sports, music (no violin I begged my mom but she would not let me), no girlish behavior allowed. Period. I even wanted to use the girl's bathroom in first grade and did with my friend. I got caught and kicked out. Never got in trouble though cause of it. Yet, when I became a witch and started playing with Tarot cards, which is arguably femme behavior, they tried to stop that too. Of course, I was 15 and I did it anyway. Luckily, becaue I told my feinds to I was a witch, they all accepted it and we were a tight knit group. One kids had a problem with it but he was a dick and a total creep. And then there is that guy who had his penis latched off during a botched circumcision and he got a sex change and lived as a female for his whole life. Yet, he said he was a boy at a young age, wanted to wear male clothes, acted like a boy, and eventually wanted a sex change. So, even though he was raised as a girl, his brain still identified as a male, all with no penis. BTW, he killed himself. So, to say it is socially-constructed is invalidated by this. It also is extremely validating to me and anyone else who has such a horrible time adapting as a man. It's in my brain, biological (my body is pretty female: small hands, size 8 in women's, narrow shoulders, small boobs, though face wise i look male, i think.) and IMO it unchangeable.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on March 08, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
I totally agree. Girl You Look Fierce. I was brought up uber-male, sports, music (no violin I begged my mom but she would not let me), no girlish behavior allowed. Period. I even wanted to use the girl's bathroom in first grade and did with my friend. I got caught and kicked out. Never got in trouble though cause of it. Yet, when I became a witch and started playing with Tarot cards, which is arguably femme behavior, they tried to stop that too. Of course, I was 15 and I did it anyway. Luckily, becaue I told my feinds to I was a witch, they all accepted it and we were a tight knit group. One kids had a problem with it but he was a dick and a total creep. And then there is that guy who had his penis latched off during a botched circumcision and he got a sex change and lived as a female for his whole life. Yet, he said he was a boy at a young age, wanted to wear male clothes, acted like a boy, and eventually wanted a sex change. So, even though he was raised as a girl, his brain still identified as a male, all with no penis. BTW, he killed himself. So, to say it is socially-constructed is invalidated by this. It also is extremely validating to me and anyone else who has such a horrible time adapting as a man. It's in my brain, biological (my body is pretty female: small hands, size 8 in women's, narrow shoulders, small boobs, though face wise i look male, i think.) and IMO it unchangeable.

And the other side would say you're describing gender ID, not masculinity and femininity.

I don't think the world as a whole is ready to accept that some girls act like boys, and some boys act like girls. If I passed 1 gazillion percent, I think I would still get looked at a lil weird by the general population if I said not only do I like Nascar (I don't), but I want to play football, drink beer with the guys, burp loud, laugh at fart jokes, on and on.

Now, for those who do consider themselves masculine: do your thang... I love you for you. However, I think if you expect the rest of the world to take you seriously as a female, ESPECIALLY if you don't pass extremely well, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. People may humor you but in my personal experience, that is the stereotype of what people almost expect from trans women. I've been told by family that they thought it'd be harder to be around me in public until they saw how feminine I really am. I have a friend that, when hearing she was meeting a trans girl (me), she was expecting something different... something more manly. She told me she had no clue I was even trans even though she was expecting to meet a trans girl that day.

I think it kinda sucks for those of us who are on the masculine side and are proud to be masculine, but yeah... gender is a construct that can work in our favor or against it. But at the end if you want to be happy you have to do what makes you happy.

Be yourself because everybody else is taken :)

About masculinity and femininity... since I went fulltime I haven't changed my tastes, manners, etc... only the way I dress and of course now I wear makeup  ;D

Well, the people who only knows me as a girl thinks I'm girly, while the people who knows me as a boy usually says that I was 100% manly.

I think people use your current presentation as the startup point to build their impression about you.

 :icon_yikes:

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Quote from: PrettySoldier on March 09, 2013, 09:44:52 PM
:icon_yikes:

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oh my you're lovely!  :o

Quote from: tomthom on March 09, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
oh my you're lovely!  :o

Aw, thank you!

anytime! I just hope I get there someday too :P

Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 10, 2013, 07:39:42 AM
I don't like how bony I look without makeup but here ya go, sorry it's kind of dark

http://i.imgur.com/z56Po0b.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/z56Po0b.jpg)

You truly have remarkably refined facial features - not bony at all, in my opinion, but classic.

Stunning!

Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 10, 2013, 07:24:24 PM
Hmm... classic... thanks lol :)

I certainly meant it as nothing less than flattering - I suppose the term "classic" might be a bit fluid, but to me it conjures up finely shaped features that might be considered a bit aristocratic - or of distinct lineage.

Regardless of how I might botch what I'm trying to say, "Stunning" needs no clarification.   :)

Just me without anything. I always prefer less to no make up lol.

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Please don't quote the image as I will take it off soon, as always.  ;)

Anya wow you look very pretty you can totally get by without makeup! :)

Quote from: anya on March 11, 2013, 02:43:23 AM
Just me without anything. I always prefer less to no make up lol.

You wouldn't need it anyway, you are such a natural beauty Anya!

Quote from: anya on March 11, 2013, 02:43:23 AM
Just me without anything. I always prefer less to no make up lol.

Anya,
I agree with Heather and Shantel, you truly are a natural beautiful woman.
Jessie Elizabeth

Thanks Girls....  :)

Quote from: Venus-Castina on March 11, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
I rarely wear make-up because it makes me feel fake.
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Hah, why would you want or need to?

I never wore makeup outside of my bathroom. Not even once so I could upload just about any of my pics.

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Even the slightest amount of makeup somehow only make me uglier IDK why >.<

Then again I've always hated makeup on my GFs so why would I like it on myself?

Quote from: Seyranna on March 11, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
I never wore makeup outside of my bathroom. Not even once so I could upload just about any of my pics.


Even the slightest amount of makeup somehow only make me uglier IDK why >.<

Then again I've always hated makeup on my GFs so why would I like it on myself?

Smart lady, and an incredible natural beauty, thanks for sharing!

Wow, what a cool thread.  Everyone looks great!

Guess I'll play.
This is about as mean to myself as I can be I guess.

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Ooops, shoulda tidied up.  Daughter was on a rampage this morning.  Forgive!

Gorgeous!

Quote from: Rowan Rue on March 11, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Wow, what a cool thread.  Everyone looks great!

Guess I'll play.
This is about as mean to myself as I can be I guess.

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Ooops, shoulda tidied up.  Daughter was on a rampage this morning.  Forgive!

must resist lunging at beautiful lady!

Quote from: Rowan Rue on March 11, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Wow, what a cool thread.  Everyone looks great!

Guess I'll play.
This is about as mean to myself as I can be I guess.


Ooops, shoulda tidied up.  Daughter was on a rampage this morning.  Forgive!

Rowan, was that the post party hangover look? Just kidding you hon, you'd look cute wearing a gunnysack sans makeup any day.  :)

Quote from: Shantel on March 11, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Rowan, was that the post party hangover look? Just kidding you hon, you'd look cute wearing a gunnysack sans makeup any day.  :)

Yeah, pretty much! 
I was like "my head hurts so much, clean is all i can manage!"

Didn't feel like any makeup today. This is me at work. You can see five days of witch whiskers if you squint!
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And there's a bit of the view out my window behind me.
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Quote from: MadelineB on March 12, 2013, 01:19:36 AM
Didn't feel like any makeup today. This is me at work. You can see five days of witch whiskers if you squint!

Nice pix Madeline, you are as cute as is that perky personality of yours. Just a delight to be around you girl!

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Well, I don't wear make-up or really present as female most of the time, buuut, here ya go.

I want to play! I think my nose is still swollen after almost 1 year post pop... what do you think?

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Quote from: oZma on March 12, 2013, 02:06:06 PM
I want to play! I think my nose is still swollen after almost 1 year post pop... what do you think?

I think you look beautiful.

Quote from: Heather on March 12, 2013, 02:09:24 PM
I think you look beautiful.

thanks! I still have my hairs line to fix... April 26 th I'm getting that done! woo woo

Well I've been waiting to post in this thread for a while. I think I finally feel comfortable doing this.

Taken about a week ago
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It's weird, the camera has a way of making the hairline look higher than it looks in person. I frequently wear my hair back like this when I'm in a "get stuff done" mode.

Jenny, honestly, I've seen the pictures you posted from a couple of years ago (scruffy beard and glasses), and you are very much a different person.  Even without the trappings of femininity (makeup, jewelry, etc), you look very much like any other 20-something girl.

Quote from: Jamie D on July 02, 2013, 03:46:15 AM
Jenny, honestly, I've seen the pictures you posted from a couple of years ago (scruffy beard and glasses), and you are very much a different person.  Even without the trappings of femininity (makeup, jewelry, etc), you look very much like any other 20-something girl.

Awww thank you Jamie :) That really means a lot to me! I think especially so because I do slightly still feel a little exposed without any eye makeup at the very least.

I did finally get to the point of seeing myself as a girl this way in the mirror. In photos it is a little bit of a different story... but I am getting there.

That really helps :) Thanks

Well, my avatar doesn't, and neither does this:

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Little bit of brightening filter, yes, but it's not significant.

When you compare our images to those of makeup-free cisgirls, it becomes obvious just how close we are.

On topic: my avatar is without-makeup. :)

My avatar is without makeup on.   It was taken about a week ago after work, right at the two month mark (4 months total but not really counting the first two as they were pretty much spiro only).

Quote from: Jennygirl on July 02, 2013, 03:40:38 AM
Well I've been waiting to post in this thread for a while. I think I finally feel comfortable doing this.

Taken about a week ago
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It's weird, the camera has a way of making the hairline look higher than it looks in person. I frequently wear my hair back like this when I'm in a "get stuff done" mode.

I have to say I like your pic. Your pic looks better than alot of my friends do without make up.

Quote from: Jesstrogen on July 02, 2013, 05:07:58 AM

Well, my avatar doesn't, and neither does this:

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Little bit of brightening filter, yes, but it's not significant.

You look like this girl I know from the Zeta house. Pretty cool :)

Jenny I think you look female only even without makeup I can't see you any other way other than female. Jesstrogen, Zoe and Abby all look pretty female without makeup as well, so you all look pretty decent.

Y'all look so amazing!  Also, this thread is unfair to blondes!

Thank you Tristan and Thank you Shantel! That means a lot :D

Jesstrogen you look very cis!

Jen- lol :)

Another thread for vanity?

As getting old, I become less confident in my face. The most unfeminine feature in my body is face. After praising the beauty of my body, my friends sigh at my face. For this, I once wanted HRT, but I gave up. Mostly I am without makeup except some sun creams.

Without makeup or plucking eyebrows.

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barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on July 02, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
Another thread for vanity?

As getting old, I become less confident in my face. The most unfeminine feature in my body is face. After praising the beauty of my body, my friends sigh at my face.

Your friends are missing a lot. I would love to have your eyebrows, nose, cheek, lips, and chin.

True, you're forehead is high, but isn't that what wigs are for?

Quote from: barbie on July 02, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
Another thread for vanity?

As getting old, I become less confident in my face. The most unfeminine feature in my body is face. After praising the beauty of my body, my friends sigh at my face. For this, I once wanted HRT, but I gave up. Mostly I am without makeup except some sun creams.

Without makeup or plucking eyebrows.

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barbie~~

You have a nice face Barbie, a great palate for feminizing makeup if you wished to use it, you have nothing to feel less than pleased about. Sun block creams are a must for those who want to continue to have nice skin. You look very nice dear!

These are from within the last few weeks I think.

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Jenny, Jess, Barbie, you all look great.
Sorry to hear you're less than happy though Barbie, I'm sure you've mentioned it elsewhere, but why isn't HRT an option for you?

I love your hair colorings Rowan.  It's awesome!  You look amazing.

Barbie, I think there is nothing wrong with your face at all, esp considering no hrt, no makeup, and stuff.

Quote from: Rowan Rue on July 02, 2013, 07:02:45 PM
These are from within the last few weeks I think.

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I'm sure you've mentioned it elsewhere, but why isn't HRT an option for you?

Rowan,

Deeply in my mind, I wanted some feminization through HRT, but the physician, who had conducted SRS more than 200 times, refused my request, although I got an approval letter from a psychiatrist. He said he will do if I come again with my wife. After that, I thought again about my motivation and the future my 3 kids and wife. Finally, I gave up HRT.

barbie~~

My pic is no makeup. Of course, the whole thing is red, but hey....

Quote from: barbie on July 03, 2013, 01:01:33 AM
Rowan,

Deeply in my mind, I wanted some feminization through HRT, but the physician, who had conducted SRS more than 200 times, refused my request, although I got an approval letter from a psychiatrist. He said he will do if I come again with my wife. After that, I thought again about my motivation and the future my 3 kids and wife. Finally, I gave up HRT.

barbie~~

I'm sorry to hear that.  I have no idea how things work in your country but I can't imagine how difficult it would be to deal with that lack of support from a doctor who is meant to be treating you.  I take it your wife isn't supportive of you transitioning then?

Quote from: Rowan Rue on July 03, 2013, 01:25:21 AM
I'm sorry to hear that.  I have no idea how things work in your country but I can't imagine how difficult it would be to deal with that lack of support from a doctor who is meant to be treating you.  I take it your wife isn't supportive of you transitioning then?

There is a new thread on my country and the doctor.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,143943.msg1174405.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,143943.msg1174405.html)

barbie~~

Love that face lady, it's a beautiful face and about time you washed it though. don't worry bout me, I took a Rolaid.  ;D

Lovely, natural beauty.  It's in the eyes.

Quote from: GendrKweer on July 03, 2013, 01:15:59 AM
My pic is no makeup. Of course, the whole thing is red, but hey....

It is a glamour shot!  I like the filtering in the avatar.

I crept over from the ftm board.  After reading through this thread (& viewing the images) I just wanted to say that I think all of you ladies look lovely au naturel.   ;)

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Today at the clinic for my feets, I think I have an infection or something, gross.
But yep, no makeup and a hint of facial hair shadow. Still haven't gotten laser.
I passed though, a fellow short haired girl commented she loved my hair :P

I realize I look like poop, I'm not trying to say I look good w out makeup because I know I definitely don't haha. Just saying i don't need it to pass, which is great.

Quote from: =celestica= on July 06, 2013, 01:31:57 AM
I realize I look like poop, I'm not trying to say I look good w out makeup because I know I definitely don't haha. Just saying i don't need it to pass, which is great.

Celestica,

You have a very fair face, which I envy. And you trimmed well your eye brows.

And I guess you missed orthodontic treatment like my son. My son liked soft food too much and did not chew enough solid food when he was a toddler. At his teens, he gave up wearing the orthodontic case.

barbie~~

I would love to post pictures, but ive been down this path before. It was a thread about posting how you looked in the morning. It was....not fun. Besides, it wont really accomplish anything.  You can just look at my avatar in stead. ^_~

Quote from: RonnieMay on July 06, 2013, 05:32:16 PM
[I'm pretty confident without makeup idk maybe I'm just vain. I'm pretty happy with how my face looks[/color][/font]

Yes RonnieMay, pretty and sweet looking!

Quote from: RonnieMay on July 06, 2013, 05:32:16 PM

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I'm pretty confident without makeup idk maybe I'm just vain. I'm pretty happy with how my face looks

Wow you quite cute

Quote from: Rowan Rue on July 02, 2013, 07:02:45 PM
These are from within the last few weeks I think.

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Jenny, Jess, Barbie, you all look great.
Sorry to hear you're less than happy though Barbie, I'm sure you've mentioned it elsewhere, but why isn't HRT an option for you?

You look hot I hope I look half as good rowan :)

Quote from: Keaira on July 06, 2013, 07:13:07 PM

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Meh, what the hey. there ya go. Avert thine eyes. wahaha!

The smile!  :D  Best of the bunch.

Sure why not, right before bed  :)
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Quote from: =celestica= on July 06, 2013, 01:31:57 AM
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Just a comparison of how I look with a face on, rofl.
IDC, I'm proud of how well I can paint my face ;)

Quote from: Orihime on July 06, 2013, 07:38:25 PM
Sure why not, right before bed  :)
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You're a keeper hon!  :)

Quote from: =celestica= on July 06, 2013, 07:50:35 PM

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Just a comparison of how I look with a face on, rofl.
IDC, I'm proud of how well I can paint my face ;)

Oh honey your cute either way!

Quote from: Jaime D on July 03, 2013, 05:24:20 PM
Ok, no makeup cause I just washed my face real good.

Hair up:

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Hair down:

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Nice lady, my fav!  :)

Quote from: Jamie D on July 06, 2013, 07:17:15 PM
The smile!  :D  Best of the bunch.

Yea... I've not been doing much smiling lately And I don't wear much make up anyway.

Ok I thought I might put an updated no makeup pic since the last one on this thread was five months back so I think an update is definitely needed.  ;)

Big changes Heather!  Looking great!  I give you tons of credit for being willing to post with blonde eyebrows and lashes lol.  I'm not sure I have the guts :)

Also, the rest of you look ridiculously good <3

Quote from: Heather on July 07, 2013, 01:00:37 AM
Ok I thought I might put an updated no makeup pic since the last one on this thread was five months back so I think an update is definitely needed.  ;)

Heather, you look lovely as always. I'm jealous.

Thank you Jen yeah my lashes and eyebrows are kinda light but I would never let that stop me from posting. But I will say I wish I had makeup on in that pic though. :P
Thank you Suzifrommd you don't have to be jealous your living full time now if anything I should be jealous of you.  ;)

Quote from: Heather on July 07, 2013, 01:00:37 AM
Ok I thought I might put an updated no makeup pic since the last one on this thread was five months back so I think an update is definitely needed.  ;)
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I can see the changes and must say lady you look naturally cute even without the make up on. That must be some fabulous genetics that's all ok sayin

Quote from: Tristan on July 07, 2013, 08:37:31 AM
I can see the changes and must say lady you look naturally cute even without the make up on. That must be some fabulous genetics that's all ok sayin

+1 That's a ditto from Auntie Shan and my goodness what nice boobies on this girl!  ;D

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Quote from: Tristan on July 07, 2013, 08:37:31 AM
I can see the changes and must say lady you look naturally cute even without the make up on. That must be some fabulous genetics that's all ok sayin

Thanks Tristan apparently I'm starting to look a lot like my sister now according to my aunt. But I think I got lucky in the gene department. I can't even believe how much my face has changed just with hrt. :o

Quote from: Shantel on July 07, 2013, 08:43:48 AM
+1 That's a ditto from Auntie Shan and my goodness what nice boobies on this girl!  ;D

Thanks Auntie Shan yeah I'm still kind of shocked when I see pics of myself where I can see my boobs. It's like oh wow that's why everybody stares when I'm out in guy mode.  :o

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 07, 2013, 08:49:50 AM
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Looking good Kelly, I like the way you have your hair styled and the color is good and works well with your skin tone! Have you cleared all of your facial hair, or is that just the lighting in the photo that gives off the slight shadow?

Quote from: Shantel on July 07, 2013, 08:55:30 AM
Looking good Kelly, I like the way you have your hair styled and the color is good and works well with your skin tone! Have you cleared all of your facial hair, or is that just the lighting in the photo that gives off the slight shadow?

Removing the face rodent is one of the few remaining things on my list.. I just haven't had the money. It was also not the best of shaves...

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 07, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
Removing the face rodent is one of the few remaining things on my list.. I just haven't had the money. It was also not the best of shaves...

Oh gotcha, yes it is a costly procedure and seems to take forever. I shelled out a fortune to an electrologist and finally said to hell with it!

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 07, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
Removing the face rodent is one of the few remaining things on my list.. I just haven't had the money.

Kelly you look great!!!  :)I know how you feel I need to have my face rodent removed too. I've been trying to save up for hair removal for what seems like forever.

You are looking awesome Kelly!  I love your hairstyle :).  Hair removal is so expensive!   Another thing that isn't fair to blondes :P

Idk how you are still spending any time pretending to be a guy anymore Heather.  I'm sure you do get looks lol.

Quote from: Seyranna on March 11, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
I never wore makeup outside of my bathroom. Not even once so I could upload just about any of my pics.

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Even the slightest amount of makeup somehow only make me uglier IDK why >.<

Then again I've always hated makeup on my GFs so why would I like it on myself?

I really like your style.

Quote from: RonnieMay on July 06, 2013, 05:32:16 PM
I'm pretty confident without makeup idk maybe I'm just vain. I'm pretty happy with how my face looks[/color][/font]

Yes. You have lovely lips and eyes. I always envy fair facial skin like yours.

barbie~~

Quote from: Heather on July 07, 2013, 01:00:37 AM
Ok I thought I might put an updated no makeup pic since the last one on this thread was five months back so I think an update is definitely needed.  ;)

Yes. I agree that you may not need makeup to pass. A lot of progress!

barbie~~

The only part that is masculine in my appearance is my face. I could hide it by long hair, but now I need to wear eye makeup as I hair becomes short. Most young ladies here wear eye makeup, and they have fooled me. I realized that, without makeup, their faces are as plain as mine!

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barbie~~

Well my profile pic shows me without make up. Never put any on actually I just glow naturally :D

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 02, 2013, 02:15:56 PM
Your friends are missing a lot. I would love to have your eyebrows, nose, cheek, lips, and chin.

True, you're forehead is high, but isn't that what wigs are for?

Thanks, Suzi,

Are you from Maryland?
I lived in Maryland for 11 years.
I am taking finasteride to prevent hair loss.

barbie~~

I will even 1-up that. Me within 5 minutes of waking up, only thing I've done is put a top on, not even the civility of a hairbrush.

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Although to be fair the only makeup I wear is foundation to cover some of the blotchy scars on my face,(barely visible this morning amazingly) and occasionally concealer my very obvious raccoon eyes, I'm a kid at heart and I stay up all night playing computer games/watching movies, and I pay for it lol.

Pebbles, I've always thought you were an attractive woman..

Dinner sometime?   ;)

Quote from: Tristan on July 06, 2013, 07:08:22 PM
Wow you quite cute

Thank you! You look flawless!

Quote from: Shantel on July 06, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
Yes RonnieMay, pretty and sweet looking!

Thank you Shantel I appreciate it! xo

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 08, 2013, 06:23:12 AM
Pebbles, I've always thought you were an attractive woman..

Dinner sometime?   ;)

Yeah, she is a sweetie, does she live over your way?  :)

I just changed my profile pic to this one

<------me without makeup

Quote from: Oriah on July 08, 2013, 05:06:33 PM
I just changed my profile pic to this one

<------me without makeup

So pretty!  :)

Quote from: Shantel on July 08, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
So pretty!  :)

Aww, thanks!

I don't feel as pretty without wearing makeup, but I almost never get to.  I live on a farm and rarely go anywhere.....there's nobody to impress but chickens, goats, etc.

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I took this a few months ago for this thread. I'd just taken my makeup off after going to the hospital and doing a lot of crying after seeing my brother in ICU after his liver transplant failed. Uuuggghhh!!!

Quote from: Miranda Elizabeth on July 08, 2013, 08:37:46 PM
I took this a few months ago for this thread. I'd just taken my makeup off after going to the hospital and doing a lot of crying after seeing my brother in ICU after his liver transplant failed. Uuuggghhh!!!

That's awful, I am so sorry you had to endure that pain.  :(

But you do look beautiful without makeup.

So i wanted to share a picture, but of course stupid photobucket let me down once again and didn't give me the full codes. If someone wants to help a sister out pm me and ill email the pic....if not then my non makeup face will remain hidden lol.

Quote from: Oriah on July 08, 2013, 05:16:43 PM
Aww, thanks!

I don't feel as pretty without wearing makeup, but I almost never get to.  I live on a farm and rarely go anywhere.....there's nobody to impress but chickens, goats, etc.

Oriah, you look fantastic w/o makeup! I can't imagine how beautiful you are with it. By the way, I love to wear makeup, and if all I had to impress were chickens and goats, I'd wear it for them, lol! You should go down to some s**tkicker farmer bar on Main Street, shoot some pool and drive those boys out of their minds there. And if there's no bar, hang out at the feed store and nurse a Dr. Pepper and drive 'em crazy there. I lived in a little logging town in Washington of 1800 souls and I was the best looking girl there. The irony was I was still in male impersonator mode. The guy to girl ratio had to be 5 to 1, and some of the 'ladies' there had too much time on their hands and too many Rainier and 'Animal Beers' and shots of Jack Daniels around their tummies (bellies). But even though the loggers all wore suspenders, cork boots and beards, some of them were really cute, sweet, and in incredibly good shape. You would drive the tractor boys crazy, girl, and I'm sure some of them are cute and sweet like the loggers were!!! You really are a gorgeous, gorgeous young woman. Hugs, Mira

QuoteThat's awful, I am so sorry you had to endure that pain. But you do look beautiful without makeup.

Thank you, young lady (Kaur or LearnedHand), for your kindness about my brother. And your failing eyesight over my photo, lol! Hugs too, Mira

My avatar picture is me make up free :) Im only two and a half weeks into HRT, so not sure if the thread is about a certain lvl/stage in all this, but heh.  Not sure 100% how much estrogen will help with my facial fat distribution, or passing, as I have a pretty prominent brow bone, but not too worried hardcore, I already live female 100% of the time :p I just see how passable the majority of you girls are and its pretty amazing! you are all stunning and beautiful!

Quote from: Miss Bungle on July 08, 2013, 11:34:13 PM
Any pic I have ever posted of myself has been without make up. I totally suck at applying it so I don't use it.

lol don't feel bad! I'm not the best with the stuff either....just learning because I got no choice to, and its fun! :)

Quote from: Miss Bungle on July 08, 2013, 11:56:03 PM
I don't know...I just find all of the "girlie" stuff to be really boring. I was all excited about it when I started my transition but then I realized it just wasn't me.

ah right on, I was always into it before transition, but never really indulged too hard into make up.  nail polish though? but ya I didn't overtly masculine activities to try to "fit in" as a male so to speak, like work on cars, take my jeep mudding, and play video games pretty religiously.  Ironically, those things seem boring to me now, but that is because they were "blend in" attempts if you will.

I assumed I would never post a pic without makeup....but then I just realized I essentially just did that!! Posted a pic from a day at the pool on the YLFD thread....don't have any makeup on besides some remnants of liner....

Oh God...I can't believe i'm doing this. But here it goes...

This was this afternoon right before going into the gym.

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Quote from: Miss Bungle on July 09, 2013, 12:08:22 AM
Having known women that could fix their own car and also played video games, I never saw those two things as being very masculine. The former was due to people being sick and tired of having to depend on those whom were undependable and the latter was just something to do.

Well, I agree.  Like I said its something I lost myself in to "try" to appear male.  Never worked out so well lol. The whole video game thing inherently was a double edged sword, it put me into some kind of fantasy realm when I wasn't working, so I did not have to face how I felt, in an attempt to thinking it was better for me since it was what was wanted of me; if that makes sence. I know plenty of female friends that can do either, and very well.  One of my best friends who passed away was a mechanic, and why this amtters or not, a lesbian, and a best friend on many many many levels. I learned how to work on cars to a certain limited extent from her.  I would just overtly seek out what is generally on the masculine spectrum as a "cover my identity" type thing. :/ hope that clarifies.

anyhow, if you want to talk further on it, feel free to pm me doll :) that way we aren't pulling from the main topic and all :p

y'all are looking so pretty!

Quote from: monica93304 on July 09, 2013, 01:06:07 AM
Oh God...I can't believe i'm doing this. But here it goes...

This was this afternoon right before going into the gym.

Monica, it's always amazing how a little makeup and a close shave will put you right over the top as a foxy looking woman. You have beautiful eyes sans makeup though. Get a good workout girl!

Quote from: Oriah on July 08, 2013, 05:06:33 PM
I just changed my profile pic to this one

<------me without makeup

Very natural.  I love the ponytail!

Quote from: monica93304 on July 09, 2013, 01:06:07 AM
Oh God...I can't believe i'm doing this. But here it goes...

This was this afternoon right before going into the gym.

You look like any of hundreds of Latinas I see every day around town.

No, but thank you for asking.

Rosie.

The dark circles under my eyes are aghhhh. I always look so tired because of them. My english teacher last semester even thought I had cancer (long story.)

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Everybody is looking wonderful sans makeup.  This is kind of the no vanity thread, but then agn y'all look great :)

Quote from: abbyt89 on July 09, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
The dark circles under my eyes are aghhhh. I always look so tired because of them. My english teacher last semester even thought I had cancer (long story.)

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Ur adorable! U could be my friend Kelyn from Tennessee's twin sister! Really doll! (edited due to cell phone suckiness in spelling )

Quote from: Jen on July 09, 2013, 05:26:12 PM
Everybody is looking wonderful sans makeup.  This is kind of the no vanity thread, but then agn y'all look great :)

Aww thatnks doll! Im so so so self concious! Alot of people dont realize it but ive had bad experiences in the padt with online trans communities where the really passable girls said i looked like a twink and wouldnever pass which caused me to cry two days staright over a thread like this and stop hrt at 23-untill recently (amlmost 3 weeks)- and im 29 now...

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 08, 2013, 06:23:12 AM
Pebbles, I've always thought you were an attractive woman..

Dinner sometime?   ;)

:) That's sweet sure however I'm in the wrong country, So I will have to load the food onto my Launch loop and sub-orbitally launch it to you. I hope you like your food cooked by the searing plasma of reentry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop)

Pebbles, I remember you from WAY long ago and you have changed so, so much.   You are looking really great!

Quote from: Shantel on July 09, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
Monica, it's always amazing how a little makeup and a close shave will put you right over the top as a foxy looking woman. You have beautiful eyes sans makeup though. Get a good workout girl!

Thanks Shantel.  I've seen the difference lately on how I look as a boy.  It has to confuse the heck out of people.

My eyelashes are basically invisible without mascara because of being blonde but I have cleverly obscured them with my glasses.  It's not cheating!

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Quote from: Jen on July 10, 2013, 12:28:33 AM
My eyelashes are basically invisible without mascara because of being blonde but I have cleverly obscured them with my glasses.  It's not cheating!

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Gorgeous!

Wow Jen you really are beautiful! I don't think you should worry about your blonde lashes at all you look very cis to me with or without the glasses  :)

It's hard to believe you aren't CIS, Jen. Simply beautiful.

Quote from: Jen on July 10, 2013, 12:28:33 AM
My eyelashes are basically invisible without mascara because of being blonde but I have cleverly obscured them with my glasses.  It's not cheating!

Very pretty as usual Jen!
I heard an optometrist tell a young woman who was fussing about her glasses, "Guys go for dames with good looking frames!"  ;D

Wow thanks girls! <3!

Jen i agree your cute!  :-*

Wow Jen, you look incredible! I'm finding it hard to believe you aren't really a CIS woman. You certainly have the natural glow and beauty of one!

Quote from: Rowan Rue on July 02, 2013, 07:02:45 PM
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Oh my god Rowan Rue, that pink hair is the most beautiful hair I've ever seen!

Rowan is not the only one to have pink hair.. This is about a year ago..

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Thanks Tristan and Alaia!

I love the pink hair on you Kelly!

I think this is one of the best threads i've browsed through in my time on this site (and oh, it's been a while). I think far too many of us hide ourselves away behind a mask of clothes and makeup. I think it's important for people to see that it's not smoke and mirrors, but that you don't really need makeup a lot of the time. We look at all the things we can do to "help us pass" but what is really needed? Surely FFS is an option for many people, but I think far too many consider things like FFS, or BA that they don't actually need. And in this case, many of you don't need makeup to pass, you're all beautiful people. We are our own worse enemy.

Quote from: Jen on July 10, 2013, 08:26:31 PM
Thanks Tristan and Alaia!

I love the pink hair on you Kelly!

It's not the best pic of me. It was taken the day I did my hair and my friend and I may have consumed a serious amount of alcohol during the process. I then went out for dinner with Cindy who was somewhat amused by the event..

ok, better pictures.
Without:
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With:
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Quote from: AmberSkyeArisen on July 11, 2013, 05:03:40 AM
I think this is one of the best threads i've browsed through in my time on this site (and oh, it's been a while). I think far too many of us hide ourselves away behind a mask of clothes and makeup. I think it's important for people to see that it's not smoke and mirrors, but that you don't really need makeup a lot of the time. We look at all the things we can do to "help us pass" but what is really needed? Surely FFS is an option for many people, but I think far too many consider things like FFS, or BA that they don't actually need. And in this case, many of you don't need makeup to pass, you're all beautiful people. We are our own worse enemy.

Without makeup I look uglier, but I realized that it is the same for most young women here, or worse.
I think 99% of beauty most women at their 20s or 30s in my country seemingly possess is produced by makeup or cosmetic surgery.

A Chinese newspaper published the following photo titled "After and before-makeup photos of some candidates of Miss Korea 2013.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpostfiles13.naver.net%2F20130626_220%2F2ch1999_1372235427924Pz6rW_JPEG%2Fhu_1372235278_742643261.jpeg%3Ftype%3Dw1&hash=76933906722981d75efa41dd6a08808a9ef883f3)

Also more photos at: http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=tmdwls0418&logNo=80189210776&redirect=Dlog&widgetTypeCall=true (http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=tmdwls0418&logNo=80189210776&redirect=Dlog&widgetTypeCall=true)

I was once enthralled by a young woman at night, asking her to meet the next day to have some tea. She did not wear any makeup when we met the next day at lunch time, and I was surprised that her face was as plain as mine, or I am probably prettier than her  ;D

Anyway, wearing makeup is funny and enjoyable.

barbie~~

Kaeira what a pretty nason you make!

Barbie, I'm always enchanted by the delicate beauty of Asian women, these Korean girls are no exception.

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 11, 2013, 05:47:43 AM
It's not the best pic of me. It was taken the day I did my hair and my friend and I may have consumed a serious amount of alcohol during the process. I then went out for dinner with Cindy who was somewhat amused by the event..

Just cuz your tipsy doesn't mean the pics not good or ok. Those can be some of the best ones. ;)

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on July 10, 2013, 07:23:40 PM
Rowan is not the only one to have pink hair.. This is about a year ago..

And Miss Rebel, I'm going to say that you too look amazing with pink hair!

It's a color that screams femininity.  It's like telling everyone that you just don't care, that you're who you are, and that they can just suck it up or go home.

Awesome.  There should be a "Me With Pink Hair" sticky thread on this site.  I can't wait until I can go pink.  My hair is thinning so it'll be a wig, but my god, they're pretty!

Quote from: Michele on July 13, 2013, 06:35:11 PM
And Miss Rebel, I'm going to say that you too look amazing with pink hair!

It's a color that screams femininity.  It's like telling everyone that you just don't care, that you're who you are, and that they can just suck it up or go home.

Awesome.  There should be a "Me With Pink Hair" sticky thread on this site.  I can't wait until I can go pink.  My hair is thinning so it'll be a wig, but my god, they're pretty!

That pink was about the only crazy colour I'd never done.. Blue, green, red, yellow, purple, orange, all sorts of shades I'd done, but not pink.. I never did pink before transition because I thought it might give me away..  :laugh: And then one day last year, I went, to hell with it, I want pink hair.. I only kept it pink for a week.. Next colour on the list is purple - not sure whether to go for a dark or light shade yet though. Got to wait until after my Mother of the Bride gig on the 26th though - I think I'm going to raise enough eyebrows as it is..

I took this selfie shortly after waking in the morning: http://i.imgur.com/8xFGrn7.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8xFGrn7.jpg)

For a pre-HRT selfie, see this post: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,144104.msg1182630.html#msg1182630 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,144104.msg1182630.html#msg1182630)

For how I look with make-up and dressed-up, see this post: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.msg1182620.html#msg1182620 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.msg1182620.html#msg1182620)

Without makeup I look like a man. So no lol But so many of you look so great without it. Lucky ducks.

Quote from: Jen on July 09, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Pebbles, I remember you from WAY long ago and you have changed so, so much.   You are looking really great!

heh I remember you too jen, but you look exactly the same :) As in as in you still look amazing.

I never wear make up! I look better and younger without it.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 08, 2013, 01:02:31 PM
I never wear make up! I look better and younger without it.

Hear hear!

My experience (after a year and a half on HRT):
When I don't wear makeup, half of those who flirt with me are women who like women, half are men.
When I do wear makeup, almost all who flirt with me are men.

Before HRT had its effects, I needed some makeup to attract any attention, so YMMV.

So that's why now I only wear makeup if I've just had a facial or electrolysis to cover up the red, or if I'm going to be photographed/videographed to even my speckled complexion, or I really want to attract straight guys - who are conditioned to expect, and be attracted to, non-natural facial coloration particularly of the lips and eyes.

Feeling better about not wearing makeup.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F640x480q90%2F834%2F7j6i.jpg&hash=71ed5fd83929a1480ae91c8db91a809ddb19eac4) (https://imageshack.com/i/n67j6ij)

Quote from: Michelle S. on February 25, 2013, 05:22:49 PM
No waaaay! I think you definitely look very femme in "guy mode"!!!

I wish the same could be said about me :/ My avatar is me without makeup and these two are me in "guy mode" omw to and at work.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs4.postimage.org%2Frez0yc265%2FIMG429.jpg&hash=97057a87a3c209e85a6b8646cced8da0c87554da)

You still look like a girl , i like your eyes , they are so feminine . You really don't need make up to pass .

sure, why not ! LOL  ;D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Fveerasatree%2FBRE190E480E320E230E310E010_zps2331ec81.jpg&hash=a8d24946f3e6b8d9ca02bc54b45523245433d8e9) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/veerasatree/media/BRE190E480E320E230E310E010_zps2331ec81.jpg.html)

Here you go. here is with Make-up
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv246%2FKeairaElisabeth%2F2014-02-0104-54-50204_zps9bc1da02.jpg&hash=445f0a3bea25d070f2ef0287f8e5df36492a6278)

and without...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv246%2FKeairaElisabeth%2F2014-04-2906-09-47693_zps04c313e1.jpg&hash=57ce34036ad794fe8152a6fb42926741e1daf590)

My profile piic is a full face, this is absolutely bare faced, just outta the shower:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7067/14016243404_0f820c11af_b.jpg)

The angle and stuff is weird but I like androgyny so it doesn't bother me.

Btw, Rainbow you look adorbubbles either way! You all do!

W-DIANA-W: You look great.

Abbyxo: I have never seen a bad photo of you.

Rainbow Brite: As beautiful as ever.

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 29, 2014, 05:29:38 AM

Btw, Rainbow you look adorbubbles either way! You all do!

you're quite cute yourself. and I agree,there are a lot of beautiful people on here.

Quote from: Charley Bea(EmeraldP) on April 29, 2014, 07:33:05 AM

Rainbow Brite: As beautiful as ever.

Thank you ^_^

Everyone's looking lovely here! 

I've already posted this elsewhere on the site, but seeing as there is a specific thread I figured I may as well throw a pic of my bare faced mug up here as well!

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXCkxEbV.jpg&hash=84ce929710ce9d24675d8b5a74c6fdb4e1933296)

Quote from: Kaylee on April 29, 2014, 09:05:03 AM
Everyone's looking lovely here! 

I've already posted this elsewhere on the site, but seeing as there is a specific thread I figured I may as well throw a pic of my bare faced mug up here as well!

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXCkxEbV.jpg&hash=84ce929710ce9d24675d8b5a74c6fdb4e1933296)

Yes. Kaylee, you have very fair facial skin.

My face is the same regardless of wearing foundation.
I just woke up and could not sleep again.
Just coming to my office at 4 AM.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2900/14064453441_98d01221f9_o.jpg)

My Ph.D student also came here so early to prepare his presentation today.

barbie~~

Quote from: Charley Bea(EmeraldP) on April 29, 2014, 07:33:05 AM
W-DIANA-W: You look great.

thank you , I dont wear much make-up in everyday life, normally just powder, blush, eyeliner & lipstick (although i got 2 certificates in make-up lol  :D )

Without makeup! ;D

Pre everything. No make-up.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEmyMun2.jpg&hash=6b8f6ff53864d0c12f692bb36f435ad7af153fd2)

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on April 30, 2014, 12:39:53 AM
Without makeup! ;D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130221021052%2Fadventuretimewithfinnandjake%2Fimages%2F1%2F1f%2FThat%26%23039%3Bs_Hot.gif&hash=29fb6bf73a13b764141cd193c662983cddef1f18)

I had just gotten ready for bed and saw this thread pop up again!

10 months ago (pg5)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVrTiLfp.jpg&hash=5acc11d561fbb247f7c735156e42dbaa6b090eec)

right now
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if I look happier now, it is because I am :D

Quote from: JadeFla on April 30, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
Pre everything. No make-up.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEmyMun2.jpg&hash=6b8f6ff53864d0c12f692bb36f435ad7af153fd2)

Any plan of transition?

barbie~~

Quote from: Jennygirl on April 30, 2014, 02:38:59 AM
I had just gotten ready for bed and saw this thread pop up again!

10 months ago (pg5)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVrTiLfp.jpg&hash=5acc11d561fbb247f7c735156e42dbaa6b090eec)

right now
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdJlYBKL.jpg&hash=70173e5337ffe88d5d17ad5cc7b1a3a9cc1abfe2)

if I look happier now, it is because I am :D

Jenny, your face seems to be fairer compared with 10 months ago. I heard that estrogen can make the face smoother and fairer.

barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on April 30, 2014, 02:46:47 AM
Jenny, your face seems to be fairer compared with 10 months ago. I heard that estrogen can make the face smoother and fairer.

barbie~~

Thanks barbie! I don't know if it was the estrogen or the retin a + SPF, or the combo of everything.. but I can't even compare the skin texture of my forehead to what it was 10 months ago. Pores have filled in all over my face and I don't think I've felt this good about my skin in a long long time.

Also keep in mind the photo is fairly low light so it's hard to really compare the two all that much

So, this is the absolutely natural and no makeup me - this morning, still in bed, not even washed my face yet :D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn569%2Fmonikanovakova%2F399de805-451f-4e29-8471-3f9bcf8a5f3d.jpg&hash=c05669a8817a1fd2a83d4e01a9b45e5c948a4c32)

Quote from: Aquarelle on May 06, 2014, 07:05:41 AM
So, this is the absolutely natural and no makeup me - this morning, still in bed, not even washed my face yet :D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn569%2Fmonikanovakova%2F399de805-451f-4e29-8471-3f9bcf8a5f3d.jpg&hash=c05669a8817a1fd2a83d4e01a9b45e5c948a4c32)

Still very naturally pretty!

Quote from: Aquarelle on May 06, 2014, 07:05:41 AM
So, this is the absolutely natural and no makeup me - this morning, still in bed, not even washed my face yet :D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn569%2Fmonikanovakova%2F399de805-451f-4e29-8471-3f9bcf8a5f3d.jpg&hash=c05669a8817a1fd2a83d4e01a9b45e5c948a4c32)

Yes. You look very natural and androgynous.

Me without face washing in the morning.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5552/14128194114_8fe804ac16_o.jpg)

barbie~~

Changed profile pic to one I just taken, I don't wear make up realy. So this my I'm not going out today so why bother look.

It won't let one upload a pic on this site so no lol

Oh but my profile pic

Here is a pic of me without makeup (I never wear any because I can't stand anything on me skin ... )
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7n2QDMc.jpg&hash=b07118edb640c801f4016fff8fa4cae510e7bf5b)

My profile pic is also obviously without makeup too.

Quote from: TinaVane on September 28, 2014, 12:50:26 AM
It won't let one upload a pic on this site so no lol

You have to use a picture hosting site like Photobucket or imgur... etc. to put a pic. in a post

I'm probly speaking for more than myself when i say I really would love to post pics here for this community to see.. But that would also mean the rest of the internet can see them just as easily through a google search or something so simple. Wish there was a private way to post like this.

Quote from: Rotika on September 28, 2014, 06:16:38 AM
I'm probly speaking for more than myself when i say I really would love to post pics here for this community to see.. But that would also mean the rest of the internet can see them just as easily through a google search or something so simple. Wish there was a private way to post like this.

Yes. Everybody should eventually pass that stage. It was the same to me, but I overcame it.

Me early in the morning without makeup, and and also without face washing  ;D I purchased the red dress for this fall, but suddenly it became chilly to wear it.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15265183840_725321ebc2_b.jpg)

barbie~~

Without makeup? Well, I guess people should see what I normally look like. I get to choose the picture that I like the most though. The others have been um.... mysteriously lost. Yeah...  :-X

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCeJP7Q6.jpg&hash=76e3e35f749c17c3e047c49f51bc986db76f8cf1)

no make up

So many beauties without makeup!!! I'm entirely too self conscious to ever show my fave without makeup.....major props to you brave and lovely ladies!

Sure, I'll throw a couple up that are without makeup.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7539/15588248303_60dd02e67e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pKtR8M)Think I can get by without makeup. Thoughts? (https://flic.kr/p/pKtR8M) by Jessica Ann Jaymz (https://www.flickr.com/people/23453550@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8561/15754641867_57b20ef759_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q1bE9k)Blonde wig. Zero makeup. (https://flic.kr/p/q1bE9k) by Jessica Ann Jaymz (https://www.flickr.com/people/23453550@N05/), on Flickr

Those are the 2 best that I have - they were right after my wife helped tweezer out all the dark facial hairs. ;)

- Jess

Okay, I'll bite. This is me without makeup about 10 mins ago:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YZhy3P1pixY/VNav4BDySKI/AAAAAAAAA8Q/9TAQDiPwJ3w/w667-h889-no/IMG_1208.JPG)

I did not have time to wear makeup today.
It is getting warm here.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8724/16620808304_36ef2c3324_b.jpg)

barbie~~

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Here's me at Walmart yesterday.  It's taking longer to grow my hair than I was expecting.
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This is me a few weeks ago waking up in a good mood without makeup and my hair in a ponytail. It was on a weekend since I didn't have dark circles under my eyes, LOL.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/668/22308702669_e3345b3b80_b.jpg)

Sorry for the bump, not sure if there is a new version of this, couldn't find one. Took these after plucking my eyebrows and filling them in:

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12279077_1714922648744295_4203325739064361061_n.jpg?oh=ce0717348b44d50f59567921f449494d&oe=56E96A97)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12311095_1714922612077632_2844114285523998373_n.jpg?oh=78f7e139e8cb63b2b21ac42216b0812e&oe=56D7CBCC&__gda__=1456818922_0277c5efd7a3d190dd8ab16d29332644)

Wish I could say the smile was real :/

Quote from: Charley Bea(EmeraldP) on December 01, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Sorry for the bump, not sure if there is a new version of this, couldn't find one. Took these after plucking my eyebrows and filling them in:


Wish I could say the smile was real :/

We're still working on that smile!  ;D

Hugs, Devlyn

WOW !!!!! Charley. How you've changed.
You are looking soooooo good.


Speak to you as soon as I squash some grapes

Huggs
Catherine

Well I caved, here you go :)
Yeah, my selfie got crashed. Whatevs. lol

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv180%2Fzer0zOd%2F12310578_102626536775056_4116829739191716224_n.jpg&hash=4743da485bce984d1ea80da4099b2ee18c90c836) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/zer0zOd/media/12310578_102626536775056_4116829739191716224_n.jpg.html)

Audree

While jogging on the early morning of today. Yes. We had the first snow a few days ago.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/696/23094508509_6e8e34a4ba_b.jpg)

barbie~~

I haven't started HRT, I've just been growing my hair out. I don't use makeup, as my Mom is somewhat of a tomboy and I don't know what makeup I'd buy anyways.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKLS35Ly.jpg&hash=ebc14126817159254fd65d33af9a0a6da9581c7b)