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Pediatrician On CNN: Transgender Girls Will Walk Around Bathrooms With Their Genitals Exposed
Blog ››› February 28, 2013 11:05 AM EST ››› CARLOS MAZA

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836)

During the February 27 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Brooke Baldwin led a panel discussion about Coy Mathis, a 6-year-old Colorado transgender girl who is suing her school district for the right to use female restrooms at her elementary school.

Everyone on the panel expressed support for Mathis' position except for Dr. James Sears, co-host of the CBS show The Doctors. Sears, who is a pediatrician and television personality, warned that Mathis might walk around the girls' bathroom with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

    SEARS: I have three kids, a daughter and two boys, and as when my daughter was that age, I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

    JENNIFER HUTT: She's a girl.

    SEARS: She has a penis, though.

Hey, it's not like someone's coming into the bathroom with an assault rifle. Geez.

Quote with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

What a strange world this individual lives in.

No offense, but Mr. Sears has a medical license? Really? REALLY?

And still thinks that gender is determined either by penis or a vagina? A pediatrician....

Seriously, he is a doctor? WOW

That guy is a friggin' idiot. It sounds like he doesn't know squat about transgirls (or transpeople in general).

What a schmuck.

Does he have "extra professional" reasons for knowing that or making a point about it??  At his age a fixation on little boys' genitals may be the sign of something his community really needs to keep an eye on!! 

Reading this makes me wonder where did this so called doctor get his licence to practice?

I feel sorry for America.

Is there a special casting agency to bring out these people? "We need a paedophile to pretend to be a medic".

For goddesses sake I have heard some rubbish in my life pretending to be fact but this is sick.

What a strange reason that Dr. Sears has used! I never ever left the stalls in the social restrooms with my pants down. That is something crazy for me.

QuoteDr. James Sears, co-host of the CBS show The Doctors. Sears, who is a pediatrician and television personality, warned that Mathis might walk around the girls' bathroom with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

SEARS: I have three kids, a daughter and two boys, and as when my daughter was that age, I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

Really? Is this guy Dr. Phil's cousin? I don't recall any such behavior when I was in elementary school

I was taught that you did your business in private, put yourself together then washed your hands

If by some off chance she did decide to do that, I doubt it would be traumatizing in the least.

Quote from: Shana Z on March 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

Interesting that their best argument against the basic right for a kid to use the correct rest room is that it might be "very uncomfortable" for other kids.

Seems like you could use that argument in favor of the Jim Crow south ("they make white people at lunch counters very uncomfortable") or against access by people with disabilities ("the wheelchair will make the other kids very uncomfortable").

There are some sick, twisted people out there in positions of responsibility with NFI who spruik their own agenda and ideas.
Seriously, WTF?!
Scary thing is this is a Doctor of Medicine. So either he is an expert on pre-adolescent behaviour in bathrooms OR he is talking out his arse.
Which is more likely?

Bet Dr. Sears would be singing a different tune if his child lived with GID. But then maybe not I can envision him taking his child out behind the wood shed and beat it out of them.   >:(

Quote from: Snickerdoodle on March 02, 2013, 12:28:28 AM
That guy is a friggin' idiot. It sounds like he doesn't know squat about transgirls (or transpeople in general).

What a schmuck.

Agreed. But more seriously, he clearly has very little knowledge of little boys or little girls.

But it seems more likely this claim is entirely motivated by his political and public image interest. The claim is clearly preposterus. It will be swallowed by by those that want it to be true and rejected by those that prefer reality. Either way, his position is safe.

Quote from: spacial on March 01, 2013, 11:26:30 PM
What a strange world this individual lives in.

Obviously he's another educated insensitive moron with a stick up his ass concerning probably all of the GLBTI issues. His insufferable attitude is akin to that mindset from which springs an Adolph Eichmann given the opportunity.

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
Ironically, I have a daughter and two boys as well. I would also feel uncomfortable having my daughter share a bathroom with boys. I think separate bathroom alternatives are reasonable for transgendered kids, which is exactly what the Mathis's were given.

Except she isn't a boy.  She's a she who happens to have male bits. 

And unless girls are peaking under stalls, chances are no one would be the wiser that she has male bits.  I think having separate restrooms just because your trans* is relatively discriminatory; if you're not going to be peaking under stalls or walking around with your bits all out in the open [male or female] then there really shouldn't be a problem with letting people use whatever restroom they want.

At the age of 6 or 7 I know I wouldn't have cared if someone with male bits went to use the restroom [and I never thought of myself as male at the age].  It's just that I wouldn't have seen the bits and there were stalls.  That locked.

I find this nonsense over the girl using her gender-appropriate restroom crazy.  She's a she.  Let her use the female restroom.

Quote from: Shana Z on March 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

So would they feel less uncomfortable if a boy with a vagina was walking around with his pants down?

I have a son who does not walk around the bathroom with his pants down. Plus, growing up male I never saw this.

Another point, even if boys do walk around with their pants down, girls don't. Since Coy is a girl then she would not walk around with her pants down. Doesn't this J**ka** realize he just contradicted himself?

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 09:42:16 AM
I think it's a little more complex than that. Allowing kids to choose their bathroom will lead to all sorts of abuse.

What I find absolutely objectionable is these parents placing their trans child on such public display for needless ridicule. It is far beyond her maturity level to handle and is dangerous.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. No one is allowing kids to choose their bathroom. They are simply trying to make sure a child who has identified as female "since she could talk" (quote from Coy's mother) to use the gender appropriate restroom. They are trying to make sure she gets fair treatment.

As for the public display thing, I agree. She is only 6 years old. It's fine for her parents to go out and try and change things, but I don't think they should mention their daughters real name, nor show her picture. They are just opening her up for a much harder life than they need to.

Quote from: Shana Z on March 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Pediatrician On CNN: Transgender Girls Will Walk Around Bathrooms With Their Genitals Exposed
Blog ››› February 28, 2013 11:05 AM EST ››› CARLOS MAZA

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836)

During the February 27 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Brooke Baldwin led a panel discussion about Coy Mathis, a 6-year-old Colorado transgender girl who is suing her school district for the right to use female restrooms at her elementary school.

Everyone on the panel expressed support for Mathis' position except for Dr. James Sears, co-host of the CBS show The Doctors. Sears, who is a pediatrician and television personality, warned that Mathis might walk around the girls' bathroom with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

    SEARS: I have three kids, a daughter and two boys, and as when my daughter was that age, I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

    JENNIFER HUTT: She's a girl.

    SEARS: She has a penis, though.

Bad physicians end up be "commentators, show host, etc," the good doctors are in their offices or hospitals doing their jobs...This Dr. Sears argument is flawed in terms that little boys -just like little girls- do not like to be expose, they will go out their way not to expose themselves.

Whoever gave Mr. Sears his MD should take it back!!

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 09:42:16 AM
I think it's a little more complex than that. Allowing kids to choose their bathroom will lead to all sorts of abuse.

What I find absolutely objectionable is these parents placing their trans child on such public display for needless ridicule. It is far beyond her maturity level to handle and is dangerous.

On a lesser level you may have a valid point concerning the parent's motives, but at that age kids will pee anyplace even outdoors. So far I've never seen anyone with a penis using the women's room that didn't close the door to the stall and keeping their feet and knees together point that little thing down where no-one would see it under any circumstances. Female transsexuals aren't fond of it and certainly wouldn't be wagging it around at people to show it off. The real issue that seems to have appeared like a mushroom cloud over restroom use is the doctor's 19th century attitude.

Quote from: Albina on March 02, 2013, 04:01:10 AM
What a strange reason that Dr. Sears has used! I never ever left the stalls in the social restrooms with my pants down. That is something crazy for me.

Exactly.

I have NEVER witnessed this in my entire life no matter what restroom I happened to be in.

The guy must have some really stupid kids or he is just completely full of crap if he believes that his stupid idea is true.

I have never had a kid expose his genitals to me in the restroom. They always make sure to hide it, which is why that whole "urinal etiquette" thing developed. One urinal's worth of space between everyone, please!  :P

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 10:32:35 AM
Carefull, let's not drag the doctor's kids into this.   :police:

I presume his point was really that boys genitals aren't always perfectly hidden in the boy's room. I do think this is true for most boys and I don't think it's reasonable to believe it can't happen in Coy's case either. That's a legitimate concern for parents.

There is always a chance that anyone's genitals will be exposed. It does not matter if they have male or female genitals. However, would you want your daughter to have to use the boys room just because some people did not think she was a "real" girl? Would you want your daughter to have to be set apart from all other children just because there MIGHT be a chance that someone MIGHT see her genitals in the gender appropriate restroom? Would it be fair to her that everyone knew she was different, and not allowed to use the girls room but instead could only use the adults restroom or one in the nurses office? Putting her through that would be horrible, and would more than likely cause her extreme emotional issues.

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 10:32:35 AM
Carefull, let's not drag the doctor's kids into this.   :police:

I presume his point was really that boys genitals aren't always perfectly hidden in the boy's room. I do think this is true for most boys and I don't think it's reasonable to believe it can't happen in Coy's case either. That's a legitimate concern for parents.

That's a fair point but she could use a stall instead of a urinal. But as far as parent's of other kids are concerned most of them flip out just because of the typical American institutionalized fear of EVERYTHING.

Her genitals would likely not be exposed since she's going to be in a STALL. There are no urinals in a woman's restroom.  :laugh:

Quote from: DianaP on March 02, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
Her genitals would likely not be exposed since she's going to be in a STALL. There are no urinals in a woman's restroom.  :laugh:

True.

I was thinking that if she used the girl's room someone (parent or fellow student) would throw a stupid hissy fit and she would or could be forced to use the boy's room.

Most people in school administrations are pretty stupid so it isn't such a far-fetched idea.

Quote from: Snickerdoodle on March 02, 2013, 10:49:51 AM
I was thinking that if she used the girl's room someone (parent or fellow student) would throw a stupid hissy fit and she would or could be forced to use the boy's room.

Most people in school administrations are pretty stupid so it isn't such a far-fetched idea.

Tell me about it.  ::) My school shut down all of the boys' bathrooms except on due to a couple of kids vandalizing a bathroom. Why not install a camera in the bathroom? Not in the stalls, but just to get a broad view of who most recently entered a stall where a toilet was set on fire (not kidding, it happened). Now there's one bathroom for 2.5 THOUSAND guys.

A camera could've caught the perpetrators and left the rest of the guys unpunished. People need to learn to chill out.  ::)

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
And there are no urinals in women's restrooms because?  (Hint: it's not because there's no seat to complain about leaving down...)

I know why there are no urinals in a woman's restroom. My point is that the fact that there are only stalls to use would mean that the only people who would see the kid's genitals are peepers who actively try to see them. In that case, it's a completely different problem.  ::)

Let's try to rise above the fray and make our points without insulting or attacking anyone, please. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
Yet, no one knows anyone who has or would ever misbehave in a bathroom?  ::)

I don't know why they weren't ratted out. Anywho, I don't see a problem with this kid using the girls' restroom.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 02, 2013, 11:03:24 AM
Let's try to rise above the fray and make our points without insulting or attacking anyone, please. Hugs, Devlyn

Edit: By Auntie Shan
Insulting and attacking the doctor would be high on the fair game list!  ;D

Behave yourself, Auntie Shan! Hugs, Devlyn

My first though was that if his sons do this, he's failing as a parent. Never would have been tolerated in my house or in my childhood from children of any gender after about age 4.

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 11:23:05 AM
Brooke, I completely understand that concern. I believe both sides have legitimate concerns however, not based in bigotry or stupidity (although I'm sure that does exist obviously). If my son came to me and said he was transgender and thru counseling found he was, I would not be comfortable with him using the girl's restroom if other parents and students were opposed to it. I would handle this in a very discrete manner, I would ensure my trans daughter had reasonable bathroom options at school. I certainly know I wouldn't throw my daughter into the national spotlight, this is really my big issue. Everything else has a solution IMO.

I agree, I would not do this to my child either.

I always find it amusing what a firestorm restroom issues can cause in this community. One of the members just emailed me and asked me what I do for entertainment. Uh - This!

Quote from: Shantel on March 02, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
Edit: By Auntie Shan
Insulting and attacking the doctor would be high on the fair game list!  ;D

I would agree with this.

While I completely understand that the staff wants to keep things civil between the members of this forum I cannot for the life of me understand why insulting the pathetic scumbags that rag on us is somehow a bad thing.

Screw those people. They don't give a damn about us as a community so why should we be expected to be civil towards them? All of those sorts of people can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

I'm just asking people to act like adults, feel free to act otherwise, though. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 02, 2013, 12:28:46 PM
I'm just asking people to act like adults, feel free to act otherwise, though. Hugs, Devlyn

With all due respect, there is nothing childish about standing up for yourself and telling off the people that want to oppress you. I know we live in a world that has been conditioned to enjoy being walked on and abused but I refuse to play that game and I will call it as I see it.

I searched the medical databases and i did not find a single paper that has been authored by James M. Sears, MD.

It seems the "good doctor" has not made any significant contribution to the field of medicine but I a sure his pockets are full with all those fees from TV, radio, and the "self help" books...

Quote from: peky on March 02, 2013, 12:31:16 PM
I searched the medical databases and i did not find a single paper that has been authored by James M. Sears, MD.

It seems the "good doctor" has not made any significant contribution to the field of medicine but I a sure his pockets are full with all those fees from TV, radio, and the "self help" books...

Yeah, I looked around myself and came up with just the stupid TV, Radio & Books. The really sad thing is that a lot of people will actually believe what he says and think that his ignorant viewpoint is valid.

Here is my opinion on the subject.1) *girls will walk around with their *man* parts hanging out* uh what? im sorry but you lost me there...As a kid,the only time i have ever ran/walked around showing anything was when i was like 2-3 years old and was running away from my mother after a bath.most people are raised to know better and if their not,then that is not on the child but the parents.A difference between not knowing better and knowing better but just out to do what you know is wrong.As far as the bathroom thing goes,here is a good way to put it -Do they make *Trans* only bathrooms? cool then so be it but what happens when they start to feel like a 3rd or 4th gender? not even allowed to be placed into the gender they KNOW they are? It is like how i was raised.kept in this dark closet from the world,never knowing anything,what a boy was or what a female was,what a monthly was *i learned that the hard way mind you* and *protecting* them from all the bad people and all the bad things in life.So IF we do this to our kids,then when it DOES happen by some small chance,they will be completely ignorant and easy prey,am i right? i know i was.i had a kid not even 1 year after losing my V,moved in with a a** hat,was kicked out of school,became a drug addict and heavy drinker.because NO one talked to me about anything,never cared to teach me what to watch for,what kind of people to stay away from,how to be strong and confident.So in MY opinion,teach your trans children what they need to know on this subject,prepare them for the future and anything that may come but do NOT deny them the right to be who they should be..NEVER.A child should not be held responsible for what another does,you or me are not anothers parents.Children have an innocent mind until their parents make every single thing they do,out to be obscene and gross.Yes every child will do silly things like i did,running through the house soaked with soap,laughing as their mother chases them but does that mean,those who are looking on,should see it for anymore then it is? And a doctor who only thinks about the impact such an image will do to his child,his innocent child who knows NOTHING about what even a *penis* is,the same man who see's his children doing the same around their own house,thinks it its wrong for a child to think innocently while making mistakes? in my opinion,i want nothing to do with him period.it is gross and sick that such things would even cross his or anyone elses mind.And if someone *pretends* to be a trans just to enter this bathroom for the sake of causing harm,why is a grown man allowed into a children only based bathroom to start with? as ALL parents know,in school-a child is NOT allowed into an adult bathroom,they have their own set for them ONLY.this allows the sinks to be just high enough and so on.SO can someone please explain to me how that can happen? im sorry if i am raging but i can not stand when no one uses a mind to think before hand.and IF an adult is able to somehow get into this childs bathroom,how should a child be punished for this? how can i take my rage out on my child who did nothing wrong?  that is my opinion on the matter and him.

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 12:38:34 PM
If he's helped the sick get well, that's more significant than writing a paper in my book.  ;)

Thank you! Sitting at your desk writing a paper is insignificant when there are ill people to help out.  :P

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 12:38:34 PM
If he's helped the sick get well, that's more significant than writing a paper in my book.  ;)

All the vaccines and other drugs that keep you -and the rest of world- alive and well, were at some point papers that were authored by M.D.'s or Ph.D.'s.

The leading physcians and researchers in any field of medicine share their advances via papers but ocourse most people do not know this little fact.

So, next time you get a serious ilness, and you look for the best doctor, look at how many papers he or she has authored dear.

In the case of this pediatrician, Dr. Sears, what does he knows about pediatric GID? How many GID children has he treated? How about ZERO!

But you know, at the end of the day, we all do what ever our high intellect allows to comprehend as the best course of action...

Quote from: peky on March 02, 2013, 02:17:10 PM
The leading physcians and researchers in any field of medicine share their advances via papers but ocourse most people do not know this little fact.

Um, I knew that, and so do most people.  ??? I still don't think that the number of papers a doctor writes has a correlation to his/her skill. I've met bookworm medical interns, who graduated from medical school, who were less valuable than paramedics, who are much less educated, in an emergency because when it came to action, they sucked!  :P

Quote from: DianaP on March 02, 2013, 12:40:44 PM
Thank you! Sitting at your desk writing a paper is insignificant when there are ill people to help out.  :P

Research is an extremely important part of modern science and medicine. If you want there to be medical advances; including cures, new forms of surgery, or other elements in the medical field, then realize that research was necessary. Those papers required research, and the goal with the research completed today in society is to be able to cure things like cancer for example. In all due respect, it's hardly insignificant and it's ignorant to think so as well; there are many people who need a cure and sadly won't get one in this life time most likely because there is not enough funding for research. They have made a myriad of progress over the years and research plays a critical role in that.

Quote from: DianaP on March 02, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
Um, I knew that, and so do most people.  ??? I still don't think that the number of papers a doctor writes has a correlation to his/her skill. I've met bookworm medical interns, who graduated from medical school, who were less valuable than paramedics, who are much less educated, in an emergency because when it came to action, they sucked!  :P

Well dear, next time Papi needes a surgery make sure you call your highly qualified paramedic friend

Quote from: EmmaS on March 02, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
Research is an extremely important part of modern science and medicine. If you want there to be medical advances; including cures, new forms of surgery, or other elements in the medical field, then realize that research was necessary. Those papers required research, and the goal with the research completed today in society is to be able to cure things like cancer for example. In all due respect, it's hardly insignificant and it's ignorant to think so as well; there are many people who need a cure and sadly won't get one in this life time most likely because there is not enough funding for research. They have made a myriad of progress over the years and research plays a critical role in that.

Research is important. Writing a paper is secondary. The polio vaccine didn't start off as a paper. It started with field work, data collection, and science. Penicillin was discovered by accident through action. Papers are only a means of communicating the results of work. Papers can only be written when there are some sort of results to communicate, which are obtained through work. Results and progress come from action.

Quote from: peky on March 02, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Well dear, next time Papi needes a surgery make sure you call your highly qualified paramedic friend

No, I won't; I'll call a doctor with experience in the field, not some bookworm who is less than useless.  :P

Hmm I wonder what qualifications are required to sit on a TV show, or, is it because he can't sit in an office where one normally expects to find doctors that is the more interesting question.

That, and I have to say, if a child is in a public restroom, and is not being supervised, is not the real question where is the supervising parent?

The idea of my son walking around unattended with his pants not up at age 5 in a public restroom is 100% idiotic. My son has not needed to concern himself with my attendance of late, but then he IS an 18 year old full grown adult too.

And it sounds like the doctor has never heard of the urinal rules of use. Men don't walk around with their gear on display!! Heck men seem to have an obsession with you NOT looking at their junk in the restroom thanks to homophobic behaviour. And that likely gets taught to most males damned early too.

The only time in my life when I have felt NO need to care about leaving my gear on display to other males, was in the military when it was made plain no one gave a damn. Gays in the military makes sense when you think about it. All that male gear on display and no one is making any effort to hide themselves.

Quote from: kkut on March 02, 2013, 05:20:25 PM
I have about ten years of experience in research and development. My experience is department heads usually write the paper while often having little to do with the actual research, including the ideas for what items to research. I'm sure there are plenty of cases to the contrary, but this is beside the point I was making.

I don't think not finding Dr. Sears as author of any research papers is a means to discredit him. His statement pretty much started out of the gate being discredited. I think the point he was trying to make was poorly stated and quite inaccurate, and it came off as very flippant.

I don't think we need to run him out of town with torches and pitchforks, simply disagreeing and pointing out the absurdity should suffice?

While I agree with your final point. I feel the comment about Dept Heads is inaccurate and in today's literature is sufficient to disallow the paper. The developments I have seen over the last 30 years in the literature and granting bodies supports that. However the argument is trivial in this context.

Diana an expert needs to be well grounded in all areas of her discipline. Research has been crucial in Medicine to teach practioners  how to think and to interpret knowledge.

Paramedics are very important, but medicine needs a holistic approach to the patients needs and some one has to take ownership.

Usually it is the head medic, and their overall training is crucial, administration, management, research and of course in depth knowledge, indeed the knowledge level has to be high enough to be understand collaboration and opinion.

It's pretty easy on the TV programs, in real life it is more difficult.

But that is why we train.

I'm not saying that research is unimportant. I'm saying that writing the paper is not that important compared to data collection, tests, etc. Also, I know that education is important, but experience is also necessary, which is why med school graduates don't just immediately become doctors. They have to start as interns until they have the practical know-how to do their jobs. Anyone can read a book, but it's important to have action. I've volunteered on ambulances and saw medical interns freeze up in some emergency situations. With more experience, that wouldn't happen.

Of course! Because if there's one thing every transgendered girl wants, it's to flaunt their penis!

Moron.

Quote from: Sadie May on March 03, 2013, 11:32:56 AM
Of course! Because if there's one thing every transgendered girl wants, it's to flaunt their penis!

Moron.

Sadie May has trumped the entire thread and has captured the essence of the central problem as seen in the article in one sentence!   :eusa_clap: May we now move on to something else?

Well, I'm sure some will be interested in not accepting his apology........

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html)

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 03, 2013, 12:06:41 PM
Well, I'm sure some will be interested in not accepting his apology........

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html)

Works for me!  ;D

(Thanks for directing attention to the other thread, and update, Devlyn.)

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 03, 2013, 12:06:41 PM
Well, I'm sure some will be interested in not accepting his apology........

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,136718.0.html)

Yup, hit that one right on the head.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 03, 2013, 02:15:26 PM
Yup, hit that one right on the head.

Sunday... everyone's hungry for meat.  :angel:

Oh, come on, that was like shooting fish in a barrel!

Quote from: Shana A on March 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Pediatrician On CNN: Transgender Girls Will Walk Around Bathrooms With Their Genitals Exposed
Blog ››› February 28, 2013 11:05 AM EST ››› CARLOS MAZA

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836)

During the February 27 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Brooke Baldwin led a panel discussion about Coy Mathis, a 6-year-old Colorado transgender girl who is suing her school district for the right to use female restrooms at her elementary school.

Everyone on the panel expressed support for Mathis' led lighting (http://www.niceledlights.com) except for Dr. James Sears, co-host of the CBS show The Doctors. Sears, who is a pediatrician and television personality, warned that Mathis might walk around the girls' bathroom with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

    SEARS: I have three kids, a daughter and two boys, and as when my daughter was that age, I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

    JENNIFER HUTT: She's a girl.

    SEARS: She has a penis, though.

not good at all.. It just disturbs complete society

Quote from: Kevin Peña on March 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Tell me about it.  ::) My school shut down all of the boys' bathrooms except on due to a couple of kids vandalizing a bathroom. Why not install a camera in the bathroom? Not in the stalls, but just to get a broad view of who most recently entered a stall where a toilet was set on fire (not kidding, it happened). Now there's one bathroom for 2.5 THOUSAND guys.

A camera could've caught the perpetrators and left the rest of the guys unpunished. People need to learn to chill out.  ::)

You can't have cameras in the bathroom, boys walk around with their penises out while they walk to the sink!

Oh god! this again?
It's like listening to the angry mob back when I came out as trans at Valeo Sylvania. I'm beginning to think women around here turn into packs of rabid wolves every time they see a urinal. Even Emperor Palpatine himself would be cackling as he said "Goood.. I can feel your hate flowing."
If you want to be the spanish inquisition, go right on ahead without me. The guy already apologized and I've not heard another peep from him so as far as I'm concerned, it's square with me. You could put your anger and comments to better use by contacting your legislators and trying to get protections in place so that bathroom policing becomes a thing of the past. Then kids like Coy Mathis wouldn't have to fight to be treated like a normal girl and we could finally be done with the bathroom issue once and for all.

Quote from: RickFrazier on August 06, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
not good at all.. It just disturbs complete society

What is it that disturbs complete society?   I wasn't sure what you meant. 

As for this particular situation, it's a six year old child.  Why does the image of some pervert with their genitals exposed enter these people's minds? 

Quote from: Keaira on August 06, 2013, 01:32:59 PM
Oh god! this again?
It's like listening to the angry mob back when I came out as trans at Valeo Sylvania. I'm beginning to think women around here turn into packs of rabid wolves every time they see a urinal. Even Emperor Palpatine himself would be cackling as he said "Goood.. I can feel your hate flowing."
If you want to be the spanish inquisition, go right on ahead without me. The guy already apologized and I've not heard another peep from him so as far as I'm concerned, it's square with me. You could put your anger and comments to better use by contacting your legislators and trying to get protections in place so that bathroom policing becomes a thing of the past. Then kids like Coy Mathis wouldn't have to fight to be treated like a normal girl and we could finally be done with the bathroom issue once and for all.

I'm glad he apologized, but statements like this deserve to be judged.  If you are going to be bold enough to make a public statement in the media, you should be able to live up and face the criticism you receive.  It's not about hatred, but about fair criticism of the individuals public statement on national television.  Also, people can still lobby on the issue and contact their local officials while expressing their views here.  I don't see how one precludes the other. 

  I read a story about the Kibbutzes in Israel in National Geographic a while back.  It seems that they have a children's, adult men's, adult women's and marrieds' bunkhouses.  In the children's they sleep in a common bunk area, share the same shower room and shower together.  When the child get to a certain level of development, they place him or her to the adults' quarters.  They seem to not have problems and the Israeli Air Force seem to better accept recruits from a Kibbutz than from the general population as pilots.  These kids tend to marry outside of the Kibbutz where they were raised in.   

  Joelene

Quote from: Joelene9 on August 06, 2013, 04:31:27 PM
  I read a story about the Kibbutzes in Israel in National Geographic a while back.  It seems that they have a children's, adult men's, adult women's and marrieds' bunkhouses.  In the children's they sleep in a common bunk area, share the same shower room and shower together.  When the child get to a certain level of development, they place him or her to the adults' quarters.  They seem to not have problems and the Israeli Air Force seem to better accept recruits from a Kibbutz than from the general population as pilots.  These kids tend to marry outside of the Kibbutz where they were raised in.   

  Joelene

The Kibbutz system is very leftwing oriented, so it doesn't surprise me that they are more inclusive with such things.  However, the culture in those sort of communities is drastically different from that of American society, so it is hard to compare and contrast. 

Quote from: Shana A on March 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Pediatrician On CNN: Transgender Girls Will Walk Around Bathrooms With Their Genitals Exposed
Blog ››› February 28, 2013 11:05 AM EST ››› CARLOS MAZA

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/28/pediatrician-on-cnn-transgender-girls-will-walk/192836)

During the February 27 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Brooke Baldwin led a panel discussion about Coy Mathis, a 6-year-old Colorado transgender girl who is suing her school district for the right to use female restrooms at her elementary school.

Everyone on the panel expressed support for Mathis' position except for Dr. James Sears, co-host of the CBS show The Doctors. Sears, who is a pediatrician and television personality, warned that Mathis might walk around the girls' bathroom with her penis exposed, like "most boys" allegedly do at that age:

    SEARS: I have three kids, a daughter and two boys, and as when my daughter was that age, I would have been very uncomfortable if there was a boy with a penis walking around their bathroom. And you say that the stalls are private. You know, at that age, most boys especially will use the bathroom then leave their pants down while they walk to the sink to wash their hands and then pull it up.  So it's going to be very uncomfortable for the other girls seeing a penis in their bathroom.

    JENNIFER HUTT: She's a girl.

    SEARS: She has a penis, though.

I know I'm quoting an old post here but really!? o_o You've got to be kidding me! She's a girl. Penis or not and while I can't speak for everyone, I doubt that she'd go around doing what they're worried she'd do. Also while it's sad I know this, I've NEVER once seen a guy in the restroom use the toilet and leave their pants down until they are through washing their hands. (And some don't even wash their hands...) They've ALWAYS pulled their pants up IMMEDIATLY after they finished going to the bathroom. (Thank God)

Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 19, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
I actually have seen this happen several times.  I could be wrong but I don't think if a little girl sees a penis she will be scarred for life.  But if people still feel the need to insist it will corrupt all the little girls, all you would have to do is make a rule stating that exposing genitals even when in the washroom will not be tolerated.  If it happens, treat it the same way you would if a child did so inside the classroom.

@The bolded: THIS!!! See, is it THAT hard to come up with a solution? I think the real reason here is fear for why no one's said that until now. Oh if only that could be said on the news when this was being discussed.

Its CNN, what do you expect?

Yes. Every boy and man I know just cannot pull their pants up before they wash their hands. It's an epidemic, obviously.

Quote from: L00T on May 15, 2014, 11:58:28 PM
Yes. Every boy and man I know just cannot pull their pants up before they wash their hands. It's an epidemic, obviously.

LOL, love the sarcasm on that one