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I had a conversation with my cousin last night and she brought up weight loss, well as she has lost weight her body shape has been more prominent and it's looking like she is a hourglass shes got the curvy hips and thighs, curved in waist and large breasts- i kinda envy her shape to be honest but to my surprise she said "i dont like being curvy" and proceeded to tell me that she would rather be just slim i was like whaaaatttt? it's a shock but she told me she has come to associate fat with curvy, which we all know is not the same thing- her self esteem is just down, there have been envious females that have called her fat and believe me she isn't fat, just truly curvy. I think curvy bodies have been the symbol of feminine attractiveness and i cant believe some people think they are a bad thing. So what is your opinion on that? do you want the curvy look or are u just content with passing?

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I have a curvy body already. It kind of curves outward in the middle.  >:(

I like a curvy body myself. And if I could, I would totally want to have the curves.

As it is I am a stick. My legs are very skinny, and i have practically no hips.. I am shaped like a V.

I guess people just tend to want the shapes they don't have :)

I am thin and not really curvy. I don't really want to be hip curvy, I'd much rather like to have a female athletic body. And boobs.

I used to be underweight and stick thin for decades, even on hormones.

People asking me whether I was ok, or bluntly if I were ill...men joking about my being skinny and poking their fingers between my ribs or people making 'jokes' like 'heeeyyyy skinny!'

My bones were showing, a gaunt face but you can get away with that when you're young (MTF) because your skin 'adapts'.
Slowly I gained weight over the last 10 years and  nowadays I happen to have a curvy figure, a teensy tiny bit full figured and a heartshaped face and natural breasts.

Nice, soft curves, soft to the touch, soft to look at.

And I'm very, very pleased about that.

Soft and curvy is feminine.

Had I remained skinny as I used to be...then my overall skin had gone sagging when growing older by means of 'nothing to fill it'.

Not a good example but Iggy Pop comes to mind ;-)

Quote from: Shodan on March 05, 2013, 02:44:53 PM
I have a curvy body already. It kind of curves outward in the middle.  >:(

Mine too. If people viewed me as female, they'd all be congratulating me on my pregnancy.

I'd want to be curvy, and thin. Basically, I don't care all that much about the amount of fat (as long as I'm not overweight), as long as the body's silhouette is female. But if I could have that no matter what, like a large proportion of girls, then of course I'd prefer to be thin. Feeling light and looking good, that's a pretty awesome thing.

Yeah. I shaved my chest and tummy hair for the first time the other night, and all it did was to illustrate exactly how fat I am. The good news is that now that I understand myself better, and now that I've come out, I have a more vested interest in taking care of my body, so I plan on starting a regular work out regimen.


Just as soon as I finish off some of these fudge covered oreos.  :-\

Quote from: DirtyFox on March 06, 2013, 01:58:20 AM
I am thin and not really curvy. I don't really want to be hip curvy, I'd much rather like to have a female athletic body. And boobs.

This. It makes Cosplay wayyyyy easier ;)

So long as I pass I don't really care what my body shape is, i'd like to lose the pot belly but it's not a deal breaker

I am an absolute board... more like a dowel-rod, actually...

I'm courting the idea of a 35,000 calorie-a-day diet.  ^-^

Quote from: Elsa.G on March 05, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
it's a shock but she told me she has come to associate fat with curvy, which we all know is not the same thing- her self esteem is just down, there have been envious females that have called her fat and believe me she isn't fat, just truly curvy.

Welcome to the insanity of body image. I've noticed in magazines and other sources that "curvy" has gone from meaning curvy, to a euphemism for anything from mildly zaftig, to BBW.  Not sure there's an answer for this, apart from learning to love your body whatever its "faults" might be.

Yeah... Nowadays, with the "it's okay to be fat" trend, people have been using "it's okay, I like curvy girls" a lot to comfort fatter women, and as a result, now, it's mostly fallen in the same category as "person of colour".

I would rather be curvy...  and I am to a degree.  When I started hrt I had a 30 inch waist and 42 inch hips already.  I was always made fun of for walking like a girl and couldn't help it.  It is my natural body shape.  The sad thing is I did a lot of working out in college to hide who I was.  My shoulders ended up getting larger.  I would love it if I could go back and have my skinny arms again and my big hips again but such is life...  I also tend to agree curvy is often associated with being fat.  I think if you are in proportion it doesn't matter how big you are.

If you are getting a stomach however then there is something different going on.  I would think maybe toxins in the body.  Personally I am going to go try i lipo this week.  Along with that I am going to take some probotics as well.  I think all the medication really messes up your body and you end up storing fat in all the wrong places when it gets toxic.

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For one I think curvy is just to generalized of a term but is most often associated with saying or complimenting "politely" that women who are "heavy" have curves. It can go the other way though and be a sexual compliment for those who have amazing bodies. So again I just think it can be to general or contextual. Think of how people use big instead of "ripped" to describe men. Ripped is strictly muscular while big can mean: muscular or just plain "big."

Anyways,

Personally I wish I had an hourglass or pear shape (yeah they are considered a curvy type of body) but they don't have the negative implication of +weight, they just mean body shape.

I spend a good five minutes of my day standing in-front of my body mirror with hopes for one day.  I'm 6'1" 165lbs (maybe lighter, it's been awhile, and I've been eating alot less due to stress and depression) and just plain (w/o breast forms, and I'm not on HRT yet)  I'm 36/32/39, 39/32/39 w/bf's, but with boney hips and my ribs jut out on the sides... alot. I just recently bought a training corset (I can't wait for it to come in!) which should reduce my waist to a 28, and hopefully my bulging ribs..... -.-

I know I could gain a few pounds, I've tried and failed miserably. And if I did gain lbs I wish I could "will" it into specific areas, like my hips and thighs.... Wouldn't that be nice? D:

Anyways, I'm not trying to brag about my features or seem shallow (I can see how someone would think this), if I come across this way, I'm sorry, it's just my personal feelings about my body, and how people use words to falsify meaning.

Quote from: Shodan on March 06, 2013, 01:58:20 PM
Yeah. I shaved my chest and tummy hair for the first time the other night, and all it did was to illustrate exactly how fat I am. The good news is that now that I understand myself better, and now that I've come out, I have a more vested interest in taking care of my body, so I plan on starting a regular work out regimen.


Just as soon as I finish off some of these fudge covered oreos.  :-\

You can do it! I mean both the cookies and the weight loss ;)

<3 Veronica

also, some belly curve is normal. don't worry too much.

back to being curvy or slim though, I'm mainly just hoping for slim because that's where my body type already is, so best not to get my hopes too high for becoming an hourglass.

I've always had one. Well, since fairly early childhood, anyway...

At 6 foot tall and 185 pound (84kg) I am slim for a person of my age.

I would love to have an hourglass figure!! This is my fav female shape.

This I do achive by using my steel bone corsit. But I still want to loss more weight to make my waist smaller.

Quote from: Angela??? on March 06, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
At 6 foot tall and 185 pound (84kg) I am slim for a person of my age.

I would love to have an hourglass figure!! This is my fav female shape.

This I do achive by using my steel bone corsit. But I still want to loss more weight to make my waist smaller.

I'm really hoping mine pulls in my lower ribs, I think I'll cry if it doesn't. I'm pretty sure it has 24 steel bones, being that it's made for waist training and not for "dress" (I think they have half as many).

The only thing I don't know about is if I should 23/6 or 18/7, there are so many conflicting messages on the "corset training" info pages about how long you should wear a training corset for....... I do know I have to start taking yoga though, they say it helps prevent atrophy if you wear it "all the time."

Anyways, does yours pull in your ribs? I know it takes month/years of wearing one to physically "alter" your rib cage for an hourglass when it is off.

<3 Veronica

I just wish the curve in the middle would move to the hips and butt.

Quote from: Ms. OBrien VT on March 06, 2013, 10:34:10 PM
I just wish the curve in the middle would move to the hips and butt.

Exercise! You can do it!

Squats (and other lower body "butt" work outs) + hit the Elliptical! Burn calories and only target your butt, it will thank you later!

Also try to make a diet of nuts, salad, and yogurt, and (something else I forget, maybe Turkey sandwiches?) small amounts often. Salad tricks your stomach into thinking it's full, yogurt and nuts give you needed "nutrients," also oats too.   

<3 Veronica

Quote from: Veronica on March 06, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Exercise! You can do it!

Squats (and other lower body "butt" work outs) + hit the Elliptical! Burn calories and only target your butt, it will thank you later!

^^^^THIS^^^^
When I first decided that transitioning needed to happen, the very first thing that needed to happen was to start to work on the gut I earned from years of drinking heavy beers. I started in January at 197 pounds and clocked myself today at 174. Not too bad for a girl whose only exercise before that point involved raising glass to mouth, but there's still a ways to go. I do an hour on the elliptical every day, no matter what. Low impact exercise of that sort will get your heart pumping but won't build unsightly (to me) muscles. After that I climb stairs for 30 minutes, do an hour of yoga, or do a series of squats and ab exercises for about an hour. So far it's working well, my thighs and butt are gaining mass while my gut shrinks. I'm avoiding anything that works my upper torso, arms, or shoulders because they're too broad for my tastes already (and I'd like to leave some material on my chest for the hormones to work with once I start because, let's face it, boobs are great).

I'd really like a more feminine silhouette, but fear that may be out of reach for me. I'd just like to pass and I'll be thrilled.

Quote from: AnarchoChloe on March 07, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
^^^^THIS^^^^
When I first decided that transitioning needed to happen, the very first thing that needed to happen was to start to work on the gut I earned from years of drinking heavy beers. I started in January at 197 pounds and clocked myself today at 174. Not too bad for a girl whose only exercise before that point involved raising glass to mouth, but there's still a ways to go. I do an hour on the elliptical every day, no matter what. Low impact exercise of that sort will get your heart pumping but won't build unsightly (to me) muscles. After that I climb stairs for 30 minutes, do an hour of yoga, or do a series of squats and ab exercises for about an hour. So far it's working well, my thighs and butt are gaining mass while my gut shrinks. I'm avoiding anything that works my upper torso, arms, or shoulders because they're too broad for my tastes already (and I'd like to leave some material on my chest for the hormones to work with once I start because, let's face it, boobs are great).

I'd really like a more feminine silhouette, but fear that may be out of reach for me. I'd just like to pass and I'll be thrilled.

with that workload you're going to pass for sure. any baseline photos? predicting the changes isn't all that hard when you become familiar with the body.

I hate cameras. Really don't enjoy pics of myself in guy mode. Oh god, the body hair is enough to drive me mad. I did take a few shots just so I can remember where I came from when all is said and done. I'll share them at some point, but not tonight.

all in good time then.

also, just as a general statement about bodies, I recomend looking at male and female skeletons. there really is hardly any difference, so at the end of the day just trust in your genetics to guide you.

Yes, I am striving for a curvy body.  I want nice waist, curvy hips and thighs, if only the fat in my belly area would go to the needed places!  I am so jealous of Carmen Carrera I so want to have her body.

 I'm pretty thin, hovering around 45kg/100lbs at 162.6cm/5'4". I don't really have much in the way of boobs, and my face looks vaguely vampirish/undead, so I certainly wish for a more curvy body.

Getting to a healthy weight is a challenge, though - at least, for me. I get sick in the mornings if I eat, and I don't have much of an appetite in general... and when I do eat, I get full really fast. Weight gain shakes are helpful, but there are no miracles. If I want to gain weight, I will probably have to go beyond my stomach's comfort zone... and I might have to lose a few meals in order to find out just how much I can eat in a single day.

It would be nice to put on 20-30lbs. Am I putting forward the appropriate effort? No. I guess I don't think it's worth all the trouble and expense.

I would happily be a moderate pear shape "curvy by my definition" w/ skinny top and small boobs. To me, that shape screams femininity and I have always wanted it.... since I was about 13 when I started padding my hips.

Now though, the padding feels wrong. I am totally uninterested. I guess I am much more comfortable with my body the way it is, and I don't like to pretend or hide anything about it externally... obviously except for one particular area haha ;)

Down the line I may end up checking out hip augmentation if the HRT doesn't give me what I want or if I feel like I want it (who knows who cares right now). After starting HRT I haven't honestly even thought about padding my hips at all... I tried it once for an outfit and ended up feeling horrible about myself. Back to the back of the drawer go the pads... Maybe never to be used again. I don't need them anymore- I love what is happening elsewhere with my body and I want to present the real me.

I have to say though, when a GG talks about how skinny my hips are in jealousy, it drives my dysphoria wild. I joke about it usually by saying "wanna trade?". And seriously no amount of comments like "skinny hips are more feminine" make any difference to me at all. OK ending my rant!

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I have always been thankful of my natural curves in my hips and waist, it was tough hiding in boy mode at the beach or pool though, I would get teased often for being built like a girl...that made me sad and happy at the same time as I just couldn't tell anyone what was up with me back then.
   I have other features that are more consistent with females than males, I just can't wait to get HRT  going to try and amplify those parts :)


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I wouldn't mind having some curves, maybe a slightly bigger butt / hip region, smaller waist, and proportional boobs for my chest (38). I guess I will have to wait and see what fate deals me.

And with a roll of the dice the deal becomes real!  I would love to have a full curvy figure but am tall at 5'11" so feel fine with getting more girly in any way! I also want to stay very active no matter the body habitus.  Keep dancing!

well that's a bit ridiculous :P
but yes. exceptions are the only constant it seems.

I am striving to get back my curvy figure that I had in my teens and twenties plus a little extra curves on my hips and bust where it should be.

I've decided, I'm totally getting hips next year.

http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery (http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery)

honestly those result pics are kind of... gross. It just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing anymore. in fact with both of these http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_front.jpg (http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_front.jpg) http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_back.jpg (http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_back.jpg) it looks a lot better in the before.

It's just my opinion, but overexxageration of the featres isn't going to aid in beauty unless you're aiming for a ghetto booty.

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 15, 2013, 11:26:19 PM
I've decided, I'm totally getting hips next year.

http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery (http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery)

You are joking?

Honestly the best way to go is proper exercise/workouts and eating correctly.  Not to mention enough time on HRT.

Those before and afters just look the same with a more skimpy undergarment on and a slightly different angle.

I call bs

Quote from: tomthom on March 15, 2013, 11:40:09 PM
honestly those result pics are kind of... gross. It just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing anymore. in fact with both of these http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_front.jpg (http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_front.jpg) http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_back.jpg (http://www.drchugay.com/images/stories/2010procedures/hip_augmentation_back.jpg) it looks a lot better in the before.

It's just my opinion, but overexxageration of the featres isn't going to aid in beauty unless you're aiming for a ghetto booty.

I completely agree, she looked 100% better before than after, it looks over exaggerated to the max. She had a great waist to hip ratio to begin with and now it is too much. That is not the case for me, my frame/pelvis is super tiny and my hips are nonexistent. This has been the longest acting aspect of my dysphoria, it started as soon as I hit puberty.

Ausbelle- HRT is not going to change my pelvic width, and it's not going to give me the curvature that I want. That's ok!! HRT is not so different from other methods of feminization including augmentations and surgeries. It's all with one goal in mind: get that dysphoria outta here.

I'm not interested in it for "beauty". I'm interested because it would make me feel more congruently aligned with the girl that I've always felt inside and always wanted to be seen as. Having a correct waist to hip ratio has LITERALLY been a dream of mine since I started noticing other girls' bodies starting to change and I was at a severe loss in my own. Now, for me, it is too late without surgical correction. There are no amount of squats or time on orbitals that will change that, and my diet is the best it's ever been and not changing (tons of healthy fats, low sugar/carbs/gluten/dairy).

MaidofOrleans- he can do 1" at most on each hip. That to me is a huge difference, and I probably don't need the full extension- but I haven't done the actual measurements on my own body.. I'm too afraid to see the damage.

I'd been padding my hips since I was in middle school because I wanted that feminine ratio so badly, but now I can't do it because it feels "fake" putting it on when the rest of my body is changing for real from the skin level. A padded bra I can handle because I do actually have breasts even if they are small, but padded hips make me feel like a phony- and as soon as the clothes come off it's back to that dysphoric feeling...

So, yes, you could say I am "striving" for that curvy body :D

OK. If everyone doesn't mind, may I throw caution to the wind and put the cat amongst the pigeons?

Regarding waist hip ratio. There are two major bones that relate to this part of the anatomy, the sacrum and coccyx.

With advancements in bone reconstruction that have been taking place in recent years, would it not be better to insert an extension into this bone structure in preference to unwieldy hip implants.

You may commence burning me at the stake now.

Huggs
Catherine (aka Joan of Arc)  :laugh:

Catherine, I dunno. But my initial findings were that breaking and reconstructing such a crucial area of the body (the very center of all of it's structure) would be asking for it...

What are these advances, though?

I've looked into it but came up empty handed.

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 16, 2013, 02:37:32 AM

I'm not interested in it for "beauty". I'm interested because it would make me feel more congruently aligned with the girl that I've always felt inside and always wanted to be seen as. Having a correct waist to hip ratio has LITERALLY been a dream of mine since I started noticing other girls' bodies starting to change and I was at a severe loss in my own. Now, for me, it is too late without surgical correction. There are no amount of squats or time on orbitals that will change that, and my diet is the best it's ever been and not changing (tons of healthy fats, low sugar/carbs/gluten/dairy).

I'd been padding my hips since I was in middle school because I wanted that feminine ratio so badly, but now I can't do it because it feels "fake" putting it on when the rest of my body is changing for real from the skin level. A padded bra I can handle because I do actually have breasts even if they are small, but padded hips make me feel like a phony- and as soon as the clothes come off it's back to that dysphoric feeling...

So, yes, you could say I am "striving" for that curvy body :D

How long have you been on HRT for?  Are you underweight?  How do you know it's too late for you? 

Quote from: AusBelle on March 16, 2013, 03:01:34 AM
How long have you been on HRT for?  Are you underweight?  How do you know it's too late for you?

I'm 29, and I've only been on HRT for a little over 3 months. Not even considering doing this hip augmentation until next year, but I already know that HRT isn't going to give me what I want. My parents are both super tiny framed & lean, which explains why I can't seem to get my weight above 130 after 1 month of HRT (I lost 15lbs in the first month- probably muscle mass). My mom is 5' 4" and 105lbs, my dad is 5' 8" and 140lbs. Both have super small frames. No feminizing fat for me.... (not that I am complaining at all really, sorry if it sounds like that) I just want the W/H ratio to be more in line.

I understand where you are coming from.  However it took me at least 3 years before I had what I would call hip curves.  I have photos to prove it (as it was a long time ago).  Not only does fat go on the hips, but the lower end of the waist, above the hip bones nips inwards.  This takes time.

I gather you are trying to put some weight on.  Just because your parents are super slim doesn't mean you will definitely turn out like that.

I'd love to see your photos, sending you a PM :D

if you could pm them to me or show them here that would be great.

also, in terms of body restructuring, I thin doctor's are too obsessed with making it bioidentical rather than perfetly functional. let's get some creativity up in there and speed things up with some titanium basket forms interwoven with the fat and strategically place in the muscle overlaps.

Quote from: tomthom on March 16, 2013, 03:31:37 AM
if you could pm them to me or show them here that would be great.

also, in terms of body restructuring, I thin doctor's are too obsessed with making it bioidentical rather than perfetly functional. let's get some creativity up in there and speed things up with some titanium basket forms interwoven with the fat and strategically place in the muscle overlaps.

It's very possible it could be a horrible idea to get these hip augmentation implants.. I haven't met the doctor or any of his patients. I would definitely need to meet both before moving forward. As far as I know, he is the only one in the US who does it and his website says that he's only done 18 of them, although it also says they have all been a success because it is such a non-invasive procedure compared to buttock augmentation.

Also, it's a matter of convenience for me. The beverly hills office is a 20 minute bike ride from where I live.

Yes I am.

oh my jenny, you actually live quite close to me then. well... relatively.

but yes, I was kidding about extreme procedures. I'd just give it a little more time.

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 15, 2013, 11:26:19 PM
I've decided, I'm totally getting hips next year.

http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery (http://www.drchugay.com/body-contouring/thigh/hip-augmentation-surgery)

Yay it's finally happening! Leg shortening/lengthening now hip augmentation, all we need to complete the full package are shoulder reduction and mid face reduction operations.

The before/afters are more or less equal in beauty but for MTFs with narrow hips as well as broad shoulders this could be a game changer.

That surgery looks bad. The first two pictures are so-so at best, and the last one has a -gross- result. It doesn't look remotely natural. It looks... Mutated.

The implants' shape is wrong, and their placement is, too, actually. It would need to be much higher to have a chance of looking good.

I still stand by the fact that most models have thin waists and semi broad shoulders.

Long legs, broad shoulders, narrow waists and hips are all seen as being desirable physical characteristics in models. It's just a fact if you look at the pictures. now you just have to work it.

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lol @ comparing top models to MTF transexuals because of their low body fat. Whatever makes you feel better I guess.

Many female models are very masculine-looking, if you look at it objectively. It has little to do with how skinny they are, I think. It's just that many people, including (and perhaps it's actually mostly those strange people) fashion designers, for reasons I do not know, seem to find masculine traits in women good-looking. I find most of those models far from attractive, if not downright bad-looking. Either I'm weird, either other people are easily fooled by thinness, make-up and the fact that they're supposed to be beautiful. ^^'

well, I hang out with a lot of models. I used to do modeling myself. plenty of people find us plenty attractive in normal clothing and never confuse our sex, regardless of us wearing makeup or not. so yeah, I may be a bit biased in my experience.

tomthom, was that modelling as a female?

I still stand by my opinion that the first and last photos look downright bad (I think it's the same person, btw). It doesn't look natural at all. But look at the before photos, she already HAD hips! Why oh why did she think she needed more? Of course it's going to look unnatural. She's gone overboard.

Personally I think the second one looks totally natural and is successfully corrective. No more concave hips. Bingo.

For MTF's I highly doubt it would look like the first/last because of the lack of existing hips (unless you are one of those lucky girls... not me at all in that department!). I think it would be more in line with the second photo, and much more natural looking.

Of course this surgery isn't for everyone.. some people prefer having more "model" like proportions and that is fine- I wouldn't expect everyone to be crazed for some hip implants. As for my own taste, and how it relates to my dysphoria, I've always dreamed of having hips.. way before I even fully realized I was a female.

Being that this is a minimally invasive procedure.. post op recovery is 1 day before walking again and 2 weeks until strenuous activity can be resumed, it sounds great. I don't want buttock implants and I cannot even fathom some kind of super invasive pelvis area bone restructuring. Yikes.

Slide some silicone under the thigh muscle and viola! Female proportions. I am down for that. I highly doubt it would look unnatural on me with my current proportions. And might I add.. even if I did end up having larger hips than average, believe me I would rock the heck out of 'em

I sure am! I have the hips, just waiting my boobs to fill out more. If they don't get to a size that's proportional to my body. I'm getting breast aug through stem cells. However before I do that I'll have grs. Since you develop a bit after surgery.

Thing is, hips are centered higher than that. In the second picture, indeed, the "after" picture looks better, but I still think something looks off. I don't know, perhaps it'll make things better in some people, but is it -that- good?

If I were to look into such surgeries, I would definitely go for that thing where they take fat in one place and put it in another. Much more flexible than an implant with a fixed shape that you can't put anywhere. Besides, implants bring more complications, usually, don't they?

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Quote from: A on March 16, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Thing is, hips are centered higher than that. In the second picture, indeed, the "after" picture looks better, but I still think something looks off. I don't know, perhaps it'll make things better in some people, but is it -that- good?

If I were to look into such surgeries, I would definitely go for that thing where they take fat in one place and put it in another. Much more flexible than an implant with a fixed shape that you can't put anywhere. Besides, implants bring more complications, usually, don't they?

The implants definitely need to be higher, maybe longer too. They look the wrong shape. It looks like they inserted breast implants.

Quote from: Tesla on March 16, 2013, 03:53:44 PM
tomthom, was that modelling as a female?

no, it was as a male. but I hung out with both sexes and carefully took notes on proportions, gait, etc. It's probably the only reason I know how to do all my makeup already and such when I feel like presenting.

Quote from: tomthom on March 16, 2013, 05:28:21 PM
no, it was as a male. but I hung out with both sexes and carefully took notes on proportions, gait, etc. It's probably the only reason I know how to do all my makeup already and such when I feel like presenting.

Very good. What kind of proportions did the most masculine models have? How much did the shoulders over shoot the hips etc.?

Quote from: Tesla on March 16, 2013, 05:23:26 PM
The implants definitely need to be higher, maybe longer too. They look the wrong shape. It looks like they inserted breast implants.

Thing is, I think they can't. They're placed under the thigh muscle, and the thigh muscle doesn't go all that high, right?

very little difference in males/females, for the most part, if we're talking modern post "arnold schwarznegger" wasp proportions for males (where the torso blows up into the shoulders and the waist remains small) most models fall within the androgynous region for body types in terms of the skeleton beneath the cranium.

as an example for the shoulder to hip ratio, I'll put a few pictures here. remember though that males will have almost an inch or more added naturally to their shoulder width due to the extreme density of the underlying muscle (most people think they are touching their shoulder when they press down, but try pressing to the point where it actually hurts and you'll see it gives way to about an extra half inch) That and remember that after hormones your hips and thighs will bellow out a bit. one more thing is that these male models work out their arms, you'l have to use the flat contour of the side of the biceps to actually see where the shoulder lies(or draw a line through the center of the upper arm and that will give you a rough estimate as well)

males

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18000000/Renato-Ferreira-male-models-18050612-543-700.jpg (http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18000000/Renato-Ferreira-male-models-18050612-543-700.jpg)
http://data.whicdn.com/images/23712008/male-model-sven_large.jpg (http://data.whicdn.com/images/23712008/male-model-sven_large.jpg)
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6oJ8JIIgp-NYgEujxx5eCKG0eyCQKkC-lgsDfLDfG3QBqc0wg (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6oJ8JIIgp-NYgEujxx5eCKG0eyCQKkC-lgsDfLDfG3QBqc0wg)

females

(some of these will be computer renders that have been taken off of actual people, so they are still accurate.)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/rishiraj04/Female_Anatomy.jpg (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/rishiraj04/Female_Anatomy.jpg)
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/236/9/a/Ten24_Photorealistic_Female_by_Ten24.jpg (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/236/9/a/Ten24_Photorealistic_Female_by_Ten24.jpg)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Parrish-standing_female_nude.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Parrish-standing_female_nude.jpg)

now an example of the gross exaggeration on male/female skeletons that medical texts like to use so often. Keep in mind most medical textbooks are in proess of being revised as most were not made as accurately as possible back in the 60's-80's period yet we still use them.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6161/6218502521_d291a2fcb6.jpg (http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6161/6218502521_d291a2fcb6.jpg)

also, just as a final note, the best way to see how exaggerated proportions are on a person to person basis is to use their head as a measuring stick. most males have shoulders that will just out about one head distance on each side. females get about 75% to 100% of this. it simply looks different because female craniums are a bit smaller, but that is simply a trick of the eye when it comes to proportions. I myself have about 90-95%, yet if I dress accordingly, use a corset to pull in my male ribcage (a very conservative one that does not constrict my breathing) and use clothing that drapes or bellows, people cannot functionally tell the difference when I am in full presentation and given a few hours to perfect it.

keep in mind this is also 100% pre HRT. I'll probably be passing 6 months in full time.

Quote from: A on March 16, 2013, 05:50:19 PM
Thing is, I think they can't. They're placed under the thigh muscle, and the thigh muscle doesn't go all that high, right?

They need a solid implant attached to the bone. But that won't be a perfect solution either. If you've got the fat, grafting has got to be the best option, plus exercise, of course. But I may be biased.

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also, as an aside, if I do successfully make it through transition, and I do ever model again, I'll be sure to let you all know.

Quote from: muuu on March 16, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
Well, 0.9 hip/shoulder ratio is probably slightly wider. 0.85 is somewhat meidum, less than 0.8 is very narrow. Really I don't know, but if you have a 0.9 ratio you'll look really good.
(edited some..)

One wider, with a larger upper body, model I found: http://nlyscandinavia.scene7.com/is/image/nlyscandinavia/731083-0014_1?$productPress$ (http://nlyscandinavia.scene7.com/is/image/nlyscandinavia/731083-0014_1?$productPress$) (hope this is allowed...)
I think that's about as far as you can push things. Maybe further if it's for androgynous clothing.

She's about 83%. I've seen swimmers with much wider shoulders, but they're not clothes models.

Quote from: tomthom on March 16, 2013, 05:57:12 PM
keep in mind this is also 100% pre HRT. I'll probably be passing 6 months in full time.

I'm sure you will. But I don't think hip/shoulder ratios will be the most vital statistic to your passing. But you know that already.

I'm thinking about hip/butt pads, already in an undergarment. I made one for myself a couple months ago, and liked the overall concept.

Gotta offset my 46" chest somehow...

Quote from: Tesla on March 16, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
I'm sure you will. But I don't think hip/shoulder ratios will be the most vital statistic to your passing. But you know that already.

oh yes I'm very aware. already raising money and making appointments and getting quotes for FFS and working on my voice which I may or may not get FEMLAR for (I already have some damages to my voice so it would partially be corrective)

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1186.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz368%2Fhazel_eyes1911%2Ftrustbigbutts_zps76dd1dd2.jpg&hash=2206bda1b1d4804224b7a9e36e16ac56c4664b58)

Curves are important... ^-^

Quote from: Beth Andrea on March 16, 2013, 06:26:15 PM
I'm thinking about hip/butt pads, already in an undergarment. I made one for myself a couple months ago, and liked the overall concept.

Gotta offset my 46" chest somehow...

46", is that your bust measurement?

Quote from: A on March 16, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Thing is, hips are centered higher than that. In the second picture, indeed, the "after" picture looks better, but I still think something looks off. I don't know, perhaps it'll make things better in some people, but is it -that- good?

If I were to look into such surgeries, I would definitely go for that thing where they take fat in one place and put it in another. Much more flexible than an implant with a fixed shape that you can't put anywhere. Besides, implants bring more complications, usually, don't they?

I wonder how fat grafting would work in that area. I do know that it tends to move around. Being underneath a waistband, I think it is safe to reasonably assume that the fat would disperse from that area or eventually you'd have a depression where your belt sits. Maybe I'm wrong though?

I like the idea of a solid implant, it's not going to change shape or start drooping over time. What you see is what you get... If I were gonna do my glutes, I would go for stem cell fat transfer though. Problem is, I hardly have any body fat to begin with! I just weighed myself today and I'm back down to 125lbs at 5'7". Been eating a TON at no avail.

Quote from: Tesla on March 16, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
46", is that your bust measurement?

Yes.

Also, I wonder how it looks when sitting... I am definitely going to try to meet one of the patients before going through with this.

Quote from: tomthom on March 16, 2013, 06:53:06 PM
oh yes I'm very aware. already raising money and making appointments and getting quotes for FFS and working on my voice which I may or may not get FEMLAR for (I already have some damages to my voice so it would partially be corrective)

I strongly advise that you look into Yeson Voice Center's surgery. It's unique, I think, and I got a very good impression from it. If I was going to get voice surgery, I'd definitely choose this one. My friend had it done, and she's gone from struggling and being ashamed of her voice to this.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Td37N5H4&list=UUWLLWlFY69TLJkpOYAKZ3RQ&index=2#)

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 16, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
I wonder how fat grafting would work in that area. I do know that it tends to move around. Being underneath a waistband, I think it is safe to reasonably assume that the fat would disperse from that area or eventually you'd have a depression where your belt sits. Maybe I'm wrong though?

I like the idea of a solid implant, it's not going to change shape or start drooping over time. What you see is what you get... If I were gonna do my glutes, I would go for stem cell fat transfer though. Problem is, I hardly have any body fat to begin with! I just weighed myself today and I'm back down to 125lbs at 5'7". Been eating a TON at no avail.

If there is a worry with that (and I'm not sure there is), I'm pretty sure the doctor will have post-op instructions to counteract that. This is simplistic, but something like a solid-ish very wide belt, shaped to the body, worn as underwear to spread the pressure, for example, is but one solution I can think of.

Wowwww, that voice surgery looks super great compared to everything else I've seen.. Thanks for posting that :D

another great one is dr. thomas.
[ documentary ] Arkane Dream (featuring pre-transition Devi Ever) 1 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxUMDQCV_U0#)

she's a sterling example of somebody that was young and actually waited for it to heal, and doesn't try to sound like a valley girl. (there's another girl out there on youtube that had it that honestly just can't talk without sounding like an uber femme gay guy. I'm sorry but its the truth!)

Well we are getting off topic here so I wouldn't be surprised to see these posts moved, but I have mixed feelings on Dr. Thomas... It's neat that he actually tries to make the voice box smaller, but there is an incision right over the neck and recovery seems a lot crazier. Also listening to the voice examples on his website it sounds like they have somewhat of a difficulty making the voice project- as if a majority of the vocal power is gone. Also he states that there are heavy risks to the surgery, recovery is much longer, and the outcome seems less predictable than I would like. I have seen this girl's videos before though and it is super impressive what he has done for her :) Her voice is definitely a shining example of his work.

However I am blown away by the Yeson voice surgery... No incision at all... Wow. Seems like they haven't had a bad outcome once, either, and it is much more predictable. That is even more impressive.

I don't NEED voice surgery, because my average pitch for male voice sits at around 140-160hz, and I can pop it up to 200hz with no effort. But it'd be so neat to have natural sounding cough, laugh, singing voice, no matter if you just woke up or sick or whatever.

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 16, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
I wonder how fat grafting would work in that area. I do know that it tends to move around. Being underneath a waistband, I think it is safe to reasonably assume that the fat would disperse from that area or eventually you'd have a depression where your belt sits. Maybe I'm wrong though?

I don't quite get the belt bit. Belts sit on the waist, usually the area from which fat is taken. You want a depression there as that defines the waist. Maybe the belt is resting on the hips. It would be a very low belt if it's on the hips. Where I had fat grafting done, no waistband or belt sits on that area. It's too low.

Quote from: A on March 16, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
I strongly advise that you look into Yeson Voice Center's surgery. It's unique, I think, and I got a very good impression from it. If I was going to get voice surgery, I'd definitely choose this one. My friend had it done, and she's gone from struggling and being ashamed of her voice to this.

She sounds great. What's the name of the surgery? What does it entail? Can your friend still sing?

Quote from: Tesla on March 17, 2013, 08:14:48 AM
She sounds great. What's the name of the surgery? What does it entail? Can your friend still sing?

http://www.yesonvc.net/disease/feminization_surgery.asp (http://www.yesonvc.net/disease/feminization_surgery.asp)
As far as I know, the surgery is mainly laser. It plays on the vocal cords. I think it creates an anterior web, but I'm definitely not sure. What's good is that there's no incision and no stitches. Recovery seems to be faster than with other surgeries, though I haven't actually investigated that.

As for singing, uhm. She was awful at singing in the first place. So she didn't sing for me. Though I think her voice would definitely allow her to if she worked on it. :p

Quote from: A on March 17, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
http://www.yesonvc.net/disease/feminization_surgery.asp (http://www.yesonvc.net/disease/feminization_surgery.asp)
As far as I know, the surgery is mainly laser. It plays on the vocal cords. I think it creates an anterior web, but I'm definitely not sure. What's good is that there's no incision and no stitches. Recovery seems to be faster than with other surgeries, though I haven't actually investigated that.

As for singing, uhm. She was awful at singing in the first place. So she didn't sing for me. Though I think her voice would definitely allow her to if she worked on it. :p

Thanks for the info. I'll pass this on to my voice coach who's helping me with my singing voice. I've mentioned a number of new procedures to this supposed expert, but he dismisses them all as equal to and no better than CTA. Maybe this is so new that it has yet to register on his radar.

Maybe, but maybe, also, his distrust for surgeries as a whole is so great he would say the same either way. :p
By the way, this is an info document I still have lying around. https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6hz44f0o8hygmd/VFS%20Info..doc (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6hz44f0o8hygmd/VFS%20Info..doc)

I have a consultation with Dr Chugay this Thursday at the Beverly Hills office- he said he's done about 100 of these now, 20% being mtf's. Very interested to see what he thinks is possible. The only thing that could be bad in my eyes is the scar, which highly depends on the placement chosen

I understand that most of you feel against the idea, but please don't beg me to not do this! I do not think it's something I should feel bad about investigating.

The only thing I'm going to beg you to do is to make sure you reflect upon this decision properly. And to make sure you get all the info you need to make a good decision, too.

Quote from: A on March 18, 2013, 06:28:15 PM
The only thing I'm going to beg you to do is to make sure you reflect upon this decision properly. And to make sure you get all the info you need to make a good decision, too.

I double promise you I will do that. When I said earlier "I've decided", I didn't really mean I'm going through with it regardless ;) what it really means is I've decided to investigate further with intent. Just one step closer.

I've never had any sort of augmentation surgery- although my ex gf had a BA when we were together, so I'm already clued in on the implications, recovery, scarring. I'm sure Dr Chugay will be able to shed some more light in person, and he offered to get me in touch with at least one of the other mtf's who have had this done before which I am definitely gonna have to do.

After hitting puberty and living as a male for all those years, I wanted to have hips the whole time. So there is no question whether I really want to have bigger hips... I undoubtedly do. The only questions left remaining are: is this procedure the one I've been waiting for, and will it be worth it in the long run.

And so far the answer is probably yes

Well yesterday I had a consultation, and I had this huge long post written up..

But I came to the conclusion later last night that the overall feeling when I left their office was kind of glaringly awful. I was trying to make myself feel better about certain parts so I could rationalize eventually doing the surgery- but it's just not worth it to me. It seems like there are better options available that are more specialized / friendly for transgendered people.

Even though I've decided against it, I'm still happy to fill anybody in with the information I found out :)

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 22, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Well yesterday I had a consultation, and I had this huge long post written up..

But I came to the conclusion later last night that the overall feeling when I left their office was kind of glaringly awful. I was trying to make myself feel better about certain parts so I could rationalize eventually doing the surgery- but it's just not worth it to me. It seems like there are better options available that are more specialized / friendly for transgendered people.

Even though I've decided against it, I'm still happy to fill anybody in with the information I found out :)

I can imagine how disappointing and what an anticlimax this is, having set your mind on it. I'm not interested in this surgery myself, but for posterity it will be very helpful to know your reasons for not going ahead. Are you researching alternative surgeries or methods?

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 22, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Well yesterday I had a consultation, and I had this huge long post written up..

But I came to the conclusion later last night that the overall feeling when I left their office was kind of glaringly awful. I was trying to make myself feel better about certain parts so I could rationalize eventually doing the surgery- but it's just not worth it to me. It seems like there are better options available that are more specialized / friendly for transgendered people.

Even though I've decided against it, I'm still happy to fill anybody in with the information I found out :)

Given time your body may develop how you'd like it to.  It's very early days yet. 

The kind of clothes you wear can really help too.  Dresses that flare out at the waist/hips, A line skirts, belts, the right kind of pants, jeans etc. 

I'm sure you've googled this, but there are websites to help.  Very few women are happy with the size and shape of their body.  Blame the media! 

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/slimming/slimming_tips/how-to-dress-body-shape.htm (http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/slimming/slimming_tips/how-to-dress-body-shape.htm)

If you really want surgery, I think fat grafts are your best option. Though at just 3 months of HRT, you should wait. Really. I think a year is a bare minimum before getting any such surgeries.

Quote from: Tesla on March 22, 2013, 03:41:23 PM
I can imagine how disappointing and what an anticlimax this is, having set your mind on it. I'm not interested in this surgery myself, but for posterity it will be very helpful to know your reasons for not going ahead. Are you researching alternative surgeries or methods?

Yeah it's pretty disappointing.. Probably explains my mood today despite the weather outside :/ The experience I had with the patient coordinator was not good at all. She kept misgendering me even after I politely asked her to refer to me as female.. I got the feeling that they must not have that many transgender patients which said the most. I emailed them about it last night because it really got underneath my skin- especially the way she did it.. kind of behind my back in other rooms. I was really shocked and actually got rather offended after asking her nicely that she correct it to no avail. She threw out another "he" right in front of me just on my way out. Gahh

Meeting doctor was actually pretty okay, but my gut feeling was "ehhh......" Maybe I was already too thrown off from the coordinator to keep my mind open enough to be receptive. I did meet another trans woman in the waiting room and she was singing his praises.. she looked great, too- had her forehead & nose done with him.

Last night, Jamie sent me a PM about another member here who has gone through hip & butt surgeries. I did a little digging and found out there are much better options from doctors that seem to be more specialized for trans people. Thank you Jamie!! :D

Quote from: AusBelle on March 22, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
Given time your body may develop how you'd like it to.  It's very early days yet. 

The kind of clothes you wear can really help too.  Dresses that flare out at the waist/hips, A line skirts, belts, the right kind of pants, jeans etc. 

I'm sure you've googled this, but there are websites to help.  Very few women are happy with the size and shape of their body.  Blame the media! 

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/slimming/slimming_tips/how-to-dress-body-shape.htm (http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/slimming/slimming_tips/how-to-dress-body-shape.htm)

It's true it's true. I know I should give my body a nice long chance. It's just... I have like NO body fat... I don't see much happening for distribution ever, and I don't want to be 3 years down the line knowing I could have had the right body years before. I feel like it's been too long already. Just because I started HRT 3 (almost 4) months ago doesn't mean I haven't wanted curves my whole life. I do my best to "simulate" the effect with clothing, and I am usually pretty happy with my efforts. But I want it to be there all the time... not just when I am dressed ;)

Quote from: A on March 22, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
If you really want surgery, I think fat grafts are your best option. Though at just 3 months of HRT, you should wait. Really. I think a year is a bare minimum before getting any such surgeries.

Fat grafts, yes I would do fat grafts if I had any fat to graft! Maybe I would get 90 or 100cc's to fiddle around with? ;)

I don't want to get big for the sole purpose of grafting fat... That seems like it would be very unhealthy for me, my body is genetically predisposed to be thin. But I do understand waiting for a while with HRT..

With what I saw last night thanks to Jamie, I found a few doctors in mexico that offer cohesive gel implants and body feminization techniques. This attracted me a lot. "Body feminization" sounds to me like they will know how to make a male-ish figure more feminine, not just throw a hard silicone hip implant under your muscle and call it a day. They use both fat grafting and cohesive gel implants, whatever will give the best result. That is my direction for further research.

Here are links to the doctors I sent emails to:

Dr. Orlando Cerpa
http://www.sdro.com/drfigueroa/ (http://www.sdro.com/drfigueroa/)

And Dr. Cardenas, also a well known facial feminization surgeon
http://www.lazarocardenas-cosmeticsurgery.com/cirugiaPlastica/body/body_buttlocks_aumento.html (http://www.lazarocardenas-cosmeticsurgery.com/cirugiaPlastica/body/body_buttlocks_aumento.html)

In my emails to them, my number one concern was: how long I should be on HRT before considering these surgeries? I'll let you know what they say. I have a feeling they'll say it doesn't make much of a difference, possibly with fat grafting it does though?

I understand that your point is "maybe you will be happy with the outcome of HRT alone" and not that there would be some kind of bad interaction. It's true, maybe I would be happy, but maybe I also wouldn't end up happy in the long run. On that note, if I can afford it and don't want to spend the next two or three years crossing my fingers, then why not? I guarantee you.. I won't be upset if HRT adds a slight bit on top of what would already be there ;)

I'm glad you guys are still interested in this, I hope I'm not seeming bull-headed here. I have no idea when I'd even actually be doing the surgery. It depends on a lot of factors. All I know is by the time I have been on HRT for a year I want to have the research done and ready to go for it. Maybe I'll do it sooner if it feels right, but I'm not counting on anything... My experience with Dr. Chugay taught me that lesson.

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 22, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
It's true it's true. I know I should give my body a nice long chance. It's just... I have like NO body fat... I don't see much happening for distribution ever, and I don't want to be 3 years down the line knowing I could have had the right body years before.

Honey, I just have to say, your figure is so cute right now. Not to say you shouldn't do what makes you feel good, but wow. :)

Quote from: newgrrrl on March 22, 2013, 07:09:23 PM
Honey, I just have to say, your figure is so cute right now. Not to say you shouldn't do what makes you feel good, but wow. :)

Thank you :D

I feel great about my body, and I like the way it looks in that photo, too. But most of the time when I see myself in photos other ppl take, the teensy hips are a lot more noticeable. Maybe not to others, but it is to me if that makes any sense

Anyway, thanks for your comment :) right now I'm doing the best I can!

I am a big fan of Vanna's results :)

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113869

My god... I want I want!

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 22, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
I am a big fan of Vanna's results :)

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113869 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113869)

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 22, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
I am a big fan of Vanna's results :)

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113869 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113869)

I'm surprised surgery is required for that, from people I know and myself included, my bum became noticeably larger with just hormones. Good result anyway.

I find curvy bodies are more desirable to straight men, but skinny bodies are more desirable for women to have themselves. I'm skinny with some curves, I wouldn't mind having breasts a couple of cup sizes larger but it's no big deal. Since my surgery I actually love my body and have no problems with my figure. I guess I take it for granted, but many people probably don't think about their nose, whereas it's a bugbear of mine as it's twice Normal size.

Maybe with the constant thought of wanting a bigger bum and hips, it is actually becoming a reality.

I've gained about 10-12 lbs (I was VERY thin before, now right at the healthiest weight for my height). Anyway it all went to my hips and bum... a little bit to my waist but nothing compared.

I took measurements and typed the results into several online tests.. I keep coming up hourglass :D I think I can safely say that I am ruling out any of the body surgeries I was looking at earlier this year. I'm quite happy with where I am now. 39-30-38. My starting measurements were 35-29-34... Quite an improvement, I am kind of blown away. My body loves estrogen, apparently.

I love having a bigger bum!

I would never say that I'm being unhealthy and not eating to have my cute body. Only that I do take measures to ensure I do stay thin :)

Quote from: Jennygirl on July 05, 2013, 03:51:23 AM
Maybe with the constant thought of wanting a bigger bum and hips, it is actually becoming a reality.

I've gained about 10-12 lbs (I was VERY thin before, now right at the healthiest weight for my height). Anyway it all went to my hips and bum... a little bit to my waist but nothing compared.

I took measurements and typed the results into several online tests.. I keep coming up hourglass :D I think I can safely say that I am ruling out any of the body surgeries I was looking at earlier this year. I'm quite happy with where I am now. 39-30-38. My starting measurements were 35-29-34... Quite an improvement, I am kind of blown away. My body loves estrogen, apparently.

Good for you, Jenny Girl. It's nice to see that E can really make some nice changes over time. Please have a great day.

I love having a bigger bum!

Quote from: Jennygirl on July 05, 2013, 03:51:23 AM
Maybe with the constant thought of wanting a bigger bum and hips, it is actually becoming a reality.

Congratulations!  I am glad you are seeing the results that you want.

These days after years of HRT and wight loss, I look like twink or twink in drag (depends on if I am wearing makeup or not).  I am now getting to the point where I can laugh about it, but I guess at this point I am no longer striving for a curvy body.

Thanks francis and monarch! Yeah it definitely feels good, unnecessary surgery is so... unnecessary!! :)

Jenny, We all know it takes time for estrogen to change a body, young girls take years to develop nice bodies. You are 7 months into HRT & far ahead of me so I hope some nice changes are taking place with your body & more pleasant changes are to come.

Good luck & my best to you & thanks for posting.

Wish me luck, I can't wait to see some curves for myself. My breasts are gowing some & nipples are sensitive so I'm seeing some small improvement.

I want them and the fact that I see all these women who have them does make me a little green with envy. It reminds me that my body is still male and it hurts a little bit.