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I was reading up on 3d printing after a news report a few weeks ago. It got me wandering how far out it would be before they could do brain transplants or make an entire body and transplant that way. pros for two people getting brain transplants are that you could have a mtf and a ftm basically trade bodies and it might not be as expensive as full bodies but downfall would be any defects on the one person would be past to the other ie already started HRT.

   On the side of full bodies You could possibly instead of starting new life as the age you are it could possibly be as a teenager or maybe even younger (the new fountain of youth) Not sure if the body would end up growing properly with lab made organs and bone tissue. Also, that procedure would probably be very expensive.

   I also wander how much research money it would take to get to either place. ???

More than Obamacare can afford, certainly. :)

Maybe in a hundred years. But that's poor consolation for those of us living in the now.

Quote from: misschievous on April 06, 2013, 08:41:09 AM
   I also wander how much research money it would take to get to either place. ???

I see a "cure" for transgenderism via manipulation of the brain (at any stage in one's life) as infinitely simpler and more feasible than full body replacements. Making sure you are born with a congruent brain in the first place would circumvent any need for major body transplants.

Ahh but just looking at the transgender aspect of it what about diseases like if someone has a severe case of cancer in their body but their brain is healthy they could get a cloned body and have a brain transplant.

Seriously, body transplants are so far off into the future, a cure for all cancers is more likely to be found before then.

Well I wasn't trying to say it would be anytime soon, just thought it was interesting 3d printing thought I would share my thoughts on it. It would be neat to see the science unfold.

I don't think we'll ever see biological body transplants.

There's just no way to do it without killing the patient.

What we will probably see is our bodies becoming progressively replaced with cybernetic parts until the point that most if not all of our bodies might cosist of them, save for our brain.

Quote from: misschievous on April 06, 2013, 08:41:09 AM
I was reading up on 3d printing after a news report a few weeks ago. It got me wandering how far out it would be before they could do brain transplants or make an entire body and transplant that way. pros for two people getting brain transplants are that you could have a mtf and a ftm basically trade bodies and it might not be as expensive as full bodies but downfall would be any defects on the one person would be past to the other ie already started HRT.

   On the side of full bodies You could possibly instead of starting new life as the age you are it could possibly be as a teenager or maybe even younger (the new fountain of youth) Not sure if the body would end up growing properly with lab made organs and bone tissue. Also, that procedure would probably be very expensive.

   I also wander how much research money it would take to get to either place. ???

I just posted to another URL about this topic.

The technology is not as far away as imagined.  There are numerous competitor labs appearing around the world.  We just got one here, in Melbourne, about a week ago.  I'll post the URL directly to Dr Atala's work, who successfully *grew* a rabbit phallus, in 2009....

stav

Here's an example of a URL citing his work:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealth/researchers-regrow-functional-penis-rabbits/story?id=9016303#.UaasMZ1-_IU (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealth/researchers-regrow-functional-penis-rabbits/story?id=9016303#.UaasMZ1-_IU)

That was the organ printing that grew the functional rabbit penis.  I believe there is at least word of FDA trials for humans, and I will try to find the URLs again and post them.

I've written to Wake Forest and did receive a reply, though they could not be prescriptive in their reply.

I hated science at school, but I have every hope for the future of science. Eventually, I think that yes, this will be possible. I don't know how they'd get past the ethics of testing and whatever but science has evolved in millions of ways that people would have never of been able to imagine 100 years ago. Every day science is improving so yes, I think this will happen. I don't know when or how, but it will.

Quote from: stavraki on May 29, 2013, 08:30:38 PM
I just posted to another URL about this topic.

The technology is not as far away as imagined.  There are numerous competitor labs appearing around the world.  We just got one here, in Melbourne, about a week ago.  I'll post the URL directly to Dr Atala's work, who successfully *grew* a rabbit phallus, in 2009....

stav

I would imagine it will possibly be within a decade. What did you send off to Wake Forest?

  3D printing with today's technology does not have anywhere near the resolution needed to manufacture anything at the cellular level.  You will have to replicate things at the molecular level such as DNA for it to work in any biologic body.  This is Frankenscience with the fears that Mary Shelley and others have written about for decades! 

  Joelene

Roughly 60% of the human body can be replaced although many technologies aren't anywhere near mature (low resolution eye replacements, printed organs have to be simple parts).

Quote from: misschievous on April 06, 2013, 08:41:09 AM
I was reading up on 3d printing after a news report a few weeks ago. It got me wandering how far out it would be before they could do brain transplants or make an entire body and transplant that way. pros for two people getting brain transplants are that you could have a mtf and a ftm basically trade bodies and it might not be as expensive as full bodies but downfall would be any defects on the one person would be past to the other ie already started HRT.

   On the side of full bodies You could possibly instead of starting new life as the age you are it could possibly be as a teenager or maybe even younger (the new fountain of youth) Not sure if the body would end up growing properly with lab made organs and bone tissue. Also, that procedure would probably be very expensive.

   I also wander how much research money it would take to get to either place. ???

The concept is the stuff of science fiction.  Do we remember "transporter beams" and "food replicators."

People laughed at the hand-held Star Trek communicators - but look at cell phones.

Tricorders?  Maybe sooner than we think.

I guess I am a futurist.  I am always hopeful.

Quote from: Jamie D on June 02, 2013, 03:33:15 AM
Tricorders?  Maybe sooner than we think.

http://www.qualcommtricorderxprize.org/ (http://www.qualcommtricorderxprize.org/)

just wait for it... although to be fair I could probably do what they are demanding from the project; I just don't have access to the gear and money to prototype a PDA with attachable non-invasive patient monitoring and imaging devices.

As far as resolution, just think, 10 years ago people were watching tv on a regular tube television. DVD was the best video quality you could get, and most people still had a VCR. 15 years ago hardly anyone had cell phones and they were big and bulky, all you could use them for was to call someone. 18 years ago the first Windows came out with awesome resolution. You didn't have to mess with DOS anymore.


I watched a History channel program that stated" In the 19th century there was as much technology growth as the past 18 centuries combined. in the 20th century as much as the last 19. So we can assume that in the 21st there will be as much as the last 20 combined. with that being said technology will grow rapidly each decade."  So with that I think it wouldn't be too far off for technology to be where it needs within the next 10-20 years. Now that they have the technology to develop human organs they can work on improving resolution.

Kia Ora,

::) What if one transplant recipient wasn't happy with their new body and wanted their old one back (You know, like what happens with de-transitioners-who realise they made a mistake) but the new owner is reluctant to give it back ? Then what ? ;) ;D

Just a thought...

Metta Zenda :

Quote from: Kuan Yin on June 02, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
Kia Ora,

::) What if one transplant recipient wasn't happy with their new body and wanted their old one back (You know, like what happens with de-transitioners-who realise they made a mistake) but the new owner is reluctant to give it back ? Then what ? ;) ;D

Just a thought...

Metta Zenda :

They would be stuck with it until they find a new trade

Kia Ora M,

::) I can see the potential for a body snatching-like black market  ;) ;D

Body Snatchers (1993) trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okW2UfLNaJc#)

Metta Zenda :)

The whole brain transplant thing is just too "Repo GO/ Repo Men" for me... :-\ I've always imagined it to be more of a DNA thing  like where your natural body is genetically altered to fit you...  I see that as being the ultimate SRS; causing the person to be complete male/female right down to their DNA...  But I honestly doubt that anyone will ever try to research this because of how little we currently know about DNA.

I have orded a 3d printer kit called makibox  it is still under development to print 3d art
but I think you gays are thinking of what you can do with a 3d printer

3d printer are used in labs all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHFlwJQIkE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHFlwJQIkE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk)

what is scary is what is possible some one has printed a gun from a 3d printer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA)

anyone can be a
artist
toy maker
engineer 
life saver
killer

the only limit is what you can get hold of or design and we all know we can illegally download files. stl files will follow

My friend has her own 3d printer in her room.  She's an engineer, so I guess it makes sense for her to have purchased one. Though, I'm sure her's has a lot more limitations than the ones she works with at her job.

3d printing has come a long way.  They are already printing food and human like cells.  Who's to say what the future might bring? However, you can guarantee it will be quite expensive.

Quote from: andy_pap on June 02, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
I have orded a 3d printer kit called makibox  it is still under development to print 3d art
but I think you gays are thinking of what you can do with a 3d printer

3d printer are used in labs all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHFlwJQIkE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHFlwJQIkE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk)

what is scary is what is possible some one has printed a gun from a 3d printer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA)

anyone can be a
artist
toy maker
engineer 
life saver
killer

the only limit is what you can get hold of or design and we all know we can illegally download files. stl files will follow

Guns are already easily available that I couldn't imagine anyone trying to obtain weapons through this method.  These printers are quite expensive (even low grade ones) and the quality of the guns are not too impressive.  It would make more sense for someone to go to a gun show and purchase their weapons there. It's cheaper and more efficient. I don't see 3D printers becoming a big game changer in any way.

Quote from: learningtolive on June 02, 2013, 10:28:11 PM
Guns are already easily available that I couldn't imagine anyone trying to obtain weapons through this method.  These printers are quite expensive (even low grade ones) and the quality of the guns are not too impressive.  It would make more sense for someone to go to a gun show and purchase their weapons there. It's cheaper and more efficient. I don't see 3D printers becoming a big game changer in any way.

and is pretty much spot on. 3d printed weapons have nothing on the thousands (millions?) of people with access to basic metal working tools not less CNC milling machines.

Someone in my class said he's going to build some sort of 3d printer. This may seem like hogwash, but his parents are not exactly poor and what he built (or "built"?) last year was also amazing. He seems to be quite good at programming too.

Quote from: misschievous on May 31, 2013, 03:51:33 AM
I would imagine it will possibly be within a decade. What did you send off to Wake Forest?

Hi Mischievous, I apologise for the delay.  I came here in a pretty messed up state after a tragedy that resulted in loss of my genitals, and kept away until I got myself back together again.  When I posted on your thread here, last, I was in the centre of a big research project to see which option I had to repair my body.

There's two (organ transplantation and phalloplasty) though in reality, phalloplasty is the only accessible one.  Organ transplantation (either through organ regeneration or organ donors) are both inaccessible to us at this time, though Dr Atala, I believe, could achieve a result now.

To answer your question, I wrote to him asking where he was up to with his research and how long we would have to wait.  I heard back within 7 days.  "How long's a piece of string" was the basics of the reply.  Though, my reading of this is that should be doable within a decade, if not sooner.  There are several commercial companies vying for success, because there's money in it.  Dr Atala, I believe, has applied for FDA approval for human trial for this area (though don't quote me--I'm a bit iffy about the sources.  I couldn't corroborate them.  Dr Atala did not disclose in the letter about this area).

Also, there's a forum for men who have peyronie's disease who are also very good activists (men whose genitals are affected are extremely motivated to repair a problem.  I have to admit I was the same.  The thought of never being able to have a partner and sex life ever again was deeply challenging and came with grief and also energy to fix the problem.  Those men have been actively campaigning Dr Atala and were working on a 'mass letter event' where Dr Atala received thousands of letters begging him to help.

The problem's not the science, it's the constraints around it: beaurocracy and red tape and money.

Cheers to you and regards
stav

Quote from: stavraki on July 03, 2013, 03:12:16 AM
Hi Mischievous, I apologise for the delay.  I came here in a pretty messed up state after a tragedy that resulted in loss of my genitals, and kept away until I got myself back together again.  When I posted on your thread here, last, I was in the centre of a big research project to see which option I had to repair my body.

There's two (organ transplantation and phalloplasty) though in reality, phalloplasty is the only accessible one.  Organ transplantation (either through organ regeneration or organ donors) are both inaccessible to us at this time, though Dr Atala, I believe, could achieve a result now.

To answer your question, I wrote to him asking where he was up to with his research and how long we would have to wait.  I heard back within 7 days.  "How long's a piece of string" was the basics of the reply.  Though, my reading of this is that should be doable within a decade, if not sooner.  There are several commercial companies vying for success, because there's money in it.  Dr Atala, I believe, has applied for FDA approval for human trial for this area (though don't quote me--I'm a bit iffy about the sources.  I couldn't corroborate them.  Dr Atala did not disclose in the letter about this area).

Also, there's a forum for men who have peyronie's disease who are also very good activists (men whose genitals are affected are extremely motivated to repair a problem.  I have to admit I was the same.  The thought of never being able to have a partner and sex life ever again was deeply challenging and came with grief and also energy to fix the problem.  Those men have been actively campaigning Dr Atala and were working on a 'mass letter event' where Dr Atala received thousands of letters begging him to help.

The problem's not the science, it's the constraints around it: beaurocracy and red tape and money.

Cheers to you and regards
stav

Oh gosh, I HOPE that will be possible in less than a decade! Hopefully it'll get more affordable as well.
It reminds me of this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-508028/Grow-heart-Scientists-bring-dead-organ-life-injecting-new-cells.html
And that was written back in 2008 - I'll have to look for updates on it!


For the original post - I think printing organs and the like will eventually be possible if it isn't already, but not so much an entire body. I'd worry about the cells' ability to stick together, really, and that they'd probably have to be frozen or some-such to remain viable as they're being printed, depending on the source and how long it takes to print the organ and get it transplanted.

hey there - :) Thanx for the url.  I've been keeping an eye on the Atala group.  I think I mentioned upstream that there are a group of male activists at the Peyrone's website who have arranged a mass letter dump to Dr Atala to encourage progress.....

I'm not sure how that went, and have been meaning to check.  cheers stav