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OK, so I'm nowhere near HRT at this moment in time, but one key thing I've thought about recently for when I eventually do start is breast growth.

A lot of sources seem to conflict on what the eventual size will be. Some sources say it's rare for breasts to exceed an A cup, while others say you can expect breasts around 1-2 cup sizes smaller than your mother's. For the record, I'd much rather the former be true - A or B cup would do me just fine, and all the women in my family have F-G cup!

Furthermore, it's worth noting that I have pectus excavatum, which I imagine will probably make finding bras that fit more difficult...

But yeah, primarily I'm concerned as to what general size I can expect - if the average woman in my family is F/G cup, does that mean I could end up with D/E cup breasts? Or (as I hope is the case) is it likely to be a lot smaller?

It's unusual for us to end up with anything higher than a C cup.

I've listened to a lot of men trash talking about
Girls attributes....

So far what seems to be the most attractive
Is the tear drop shape size b...and firm...

I'll be ecstatic when I'm there

Your potential breast growth is said to be "somewhat smaller than that of close relatives". But the keyword is "potential". Other things can affect their size.

But honestly, it would be surprising to see you with less than an A cup if everyone in your family has F-G, unless you're much thinner.

Ah, and I don't believe that it's "rare to see one exceed an A cup". That's not true. Or maybe it is in older women who are taking an inadequate antiandrogen and a conservative dose of estrogens, or some other suboptimal treatment. From what I've seen (which I admit is not much), the average in trans women is only a little smaller than in the rest of women.

Quote from: XchristineX on April 11, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
I've listened to a lot of men trash talking about
Girls attributes....

So far what seems to be the most attractive
Is the tear drop shape size b...and firm...

I'll be ecstatic when I'm there

That would be my ideal, as well. I'm almost there!!

One thing to remember when it comes to breasts is YMMV, or your millage may vary....basically it depends on existing body fat and genes. My millage could be phenomenal and i end up being a D cup because of a higher body fat content, where as you could possibly be skinnier then my 200+lb self and end up being a B cup when done. But one thing to remember when it comes to breasts with trans girls, 1 it's ALWAYS gonna be the story of that enormous fish that you don't have a picture of that was *stretches arms all the way out* that big....i mean it was massive....and 2 in the end if your unhappy in any way, there is always plastic surgery.

Hope i could help.

Kari.

My endo told me "you'll get what you get."

There's a website called second type woman that has a lot if photographs of the type of breats trans women at various ages have. Basically, growing breats on an androgenized skeleton leads to a different shape breast than those of a natal female. There's no real way to predict what will happen in individual cases. One thing everyone agrees on though is, don't smoke, it stunts your growth.

Can anyone hint or comment on any negative impacts on growth through using forms or sports bras while they're growing?

I'm worried about putting too much pressure on the area in general.

Quote from: XchristineX on April 11, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
I've listened to a lot of men trash talking about
Girls attributes....

So far what seems to be the most attractive
Is the tear drop shape size b...and firm...

I'll be ecstatic when I'm there

Apparently we are not allowed to post our dosages on here, so suffice it to say,
after 1 year I have B cups...and they levitate...and I couldn't be happier. ^-^

Quote from: sam79 on April 12, 2013, 01:59:39 AM
Can anyone hint or comment on any negative impacts on growth through using forms or sports bras while they're growing?
I'm worried about putting too much pressure on the area in general.

1 year on HRT here. I have B cups. I definitely need a bra. More for armour than support at this point. They are so tender and my bra offers protection from my breasts being unnecesarily bumped. I had a friend help me get sized and already have gone through 2 sizes. Just make certain that the bra is not too tight. It should fit that as you wear one, you almost forget you are.
Hope this helps.

If you're skinny or have little fat on your body then your final breast size may be limited. After 5 years of HRT and little more than A cups, I got a BA. They're still good after 14 years..

Cassandra I've read hundreds of different accounts of HRT breast growth over the years. You can read quite a few today on this forum. The only thing anyone can truthfully tell is that there is no way way tell before starting HRT what amount of breast growth you will have-- at all.

It obviously varies a whole lot from situation to situation. While I have read a few accounts of large breast growth from HRT alone these seem extremely rare. For most the breast size tends to be modest. In fact some have almost none. For some people, such as Tesla (above) there is still development going on after many years. For others, there is considerable growth in just a few months.

You won't get any idea of what to expect from this thread. There's just no way to tell in advance.

~ Lyric ~

Sniffle sniffle I'm only 140 lbs...geuss no equipment to make
Men spill coffee on their laps and stutter....

Quick, ingest cake! Cake will solve all your problems! :)

Quote from: ZoeM on April 12, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
Quick, ingest cake! Cake will solve all your problems! :)

the cake is a lie

Looking at the Second Type Woman site it appears that anything above a Tanner Stage III is rare, which sucks cause I'd like some rounding out at the bottom. But if you get  B cups or even nice A cups, I think that's a happy point. Not all cis females get big breasts either. In any event, why would you even want DD cups? That sounds way too big. My main concern is areola diameter. I'd like wider ones. I mean so many of our issues and concerns seem to be a lot of guesswork and comparison to other trans women.

I tried to work out what tanner stage im at and failed miserably.
I think I'm a 36 B or C..seems to change daily :p

Wow if your a 36C that's amazing! How long have you been on HRT for? Your breast size shouldn't flucuate too much and a lot of their appearance depends on rib cage size. My rib cage has shrunk an inch. I used to have an underbust measurement of 34 maybe even a little more and now it is 33. My bust size stayed at 35. So I'm like a 34B I think. Maybe 34A. I didn't think chest circumference could shrink but I assure it has happened.

Conversion charts get really confusing and you should never ever rely on a bra calculator on the Web since they almost always add four inches. (There's a ton of fashion bloggers who are up in arms over this since it's wrong and it makes people for worse. I mean really if you added four inches then to be a 36B you'd need a 32 inches chest.)

Everyone I  tried said I'm a 38B. A 38 band size would be falling off my tiny a** body. Basically, with the whole Tanner thingy the difference between III and IV or V is the rounding out at the bottom of the breasts. If you can hold a pencil under your boobs then your are a four or five.

I started HRT at age 25, at which age according to specific websites my breasts should be tiny and mannish.  Fortunately most of that information is severely out dated!

I am a 38B now, and could possibly grow into a C if they keep moving the way they are.

There shape is not 100% perfect yet which is to be expected at puberty.

That's a great size Rita. Yay and congrats! I'm a tad older than you at 30 and obviously I'm a biased old lady and I think that genes play more of a role in HRT then age. Obviously, if you started at 16 it would have been better and you'd get a lot less of the effects of the T virus, but sometimes I think a little too much emphasis is placed on age, at least in regards to girls in their mid-20s to mid-30s. It's really not all that old and I figure I have a half-life left. A half-life that could be a very full life that I always dreamed of. That we all dream of. Thank God we live in the times we do where this is possible and much easier. I feel really grateful to our elders who made all this possible especially Christine Jorgensen who went thru who knows what so we could do this today. She died before I could barely say thank you. But thank you to everyone who made all this possible.

Quote from: A on April 11, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Your potential breast growth is said to be "somewhat smaller than that of close relatives".

Whenever I read this (which is fairly often) it fills me with dread because, assuming my measurements are correct, it means that my breasts will shrink and my nipples will poke out of my back and I am not at all sure anyone makes bras that shape.

Rosie

I wouldn't put too much emphasis into that line of thought. I hear it a lot and from your picture you look like your 20-something and I'm sure your development will be fine. I mean you look quite slender so I think all trans women get at least an A. That's what I heard. And there is always the possibility to get a boob job. But I feel you. All the uncertainty of transition could drive us insane. There's so much conflicting information out there it's hard to know what to believe.

Yeh I went by the calculator thing. Tape measure says 32 under bust  think I'm 37 over I'm not sure. Started at almost 32.

I'm fairly happy with my results thus far  :)  Granted, it has taken over three years

Measurements aren't the same for us because of the shape of the ribcage which in turn affects the shape of the breasts. So the problem is not really the size per se. The problem is the fact that only a handful of us will get over tanner stage 3.

After 14 months on HRT I was a tanner 4 36B but I had to stop HRT for a month and a half and I lost a lot that just didn't come back since then. Now I'm stuck at this disgracious tanner 3 stage again. So yeah there's a major difference between having small breasts and being freakin 30 and having T3 breasts...

I think it's just like it is for cis girls - there are ways to guess, but no way to find out except to wait and be patient (ha, I couldn't either!). :)

3 years and a bit on HRT and I was just professionally measured at a 38DD in Wacoal, although in other brands/styles of bras I'm anywhere from 40D to 42DDD (bra measuring is, indeed, nuts).  I'm not sure I buy into the Tanner stage thing, but I can also get a pencil to stay under there. Personally, I'm OK if they stop growing soon! BTW, my mother is a 34B but my sister is 38D. Guess there's more than one set of boob genes in my family. So there's hope even if your mom/sister/aunt/whatever is small...

Try to learn to not dwell on the girls, ladies.

"A watched pot never boils." Enjoy what you have, treasure them, love them., caress them. (But not too much, you'll get hairy palms LOL).

I'm at a really awkward stage where a B cup leaves boob hanging out of the sides and a C catches the sides with room to spare... but leaves space at the top. I typically wear a 34B... but if it's a pushup then the boobs kinda slide around and doesn't stay where I want them to stay. My roommate (who was a med student) says I'm a tanner stage 5 but I think she's just being overly supportive. My own thoughts, I'm at T4 and borderline between B and C. My underbust measures a hair under 33" and my measurement around my nipples is 37". They're still shaped kinda funny though, with a lot of space between them and they both poke slightly to the sides.

Men rarely stare at my boobs :( Sometimes they do but mostly they don't....

I've not really had much breast growth at all.. I'm barely even an A and been on hormones for like 3 years now... I think I'll eventually get a boob job once I can find the money, but I imagine it's going to take a few more years before thats possible since at the moment I'm a poor student lol

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on April 13, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
I'm at a really awkward stage where a B cup leaves boob hanging out of the sides and a C catches the sides with room to spare... but leaves space at the top. I typically wear a 34B... but if it's a pushup then the boobs kinda slide around and doesn't stay where I want them to stay. My roommate (who was a med student) says I'm a tanner stage 5 but I think she's just being overly supportive. My own thoughts, I'm at T4 and borderline between B and C. My underbust measures a hair under 33" and my measurement around my nipples is 37". They're still shaped kinda funny though, with a lot of space between them and they both poke slightly to the sides.

Men rarely stare at my boobs :( Sometimes they do but mostly they don't....

It's funny, I've been at my most recent job for about 4 years now, and I often work with my co-workers from my previous job (same work, different company). Some of the men from my old job seem to be fixated on my chest when I talk with them... ::)


Fwiw, I recently bought a couple 46B bras, and I don't quite fit them yet...did the "rice-in-a-nylon" trick, and measured out 350 ml (which is a "common" BA implant size)...OMG they were HUGE on me...but they did fill out the B cups nicely...

I can't imagine having D's....

I have being on HRT for the past 27 months, I have nice large C's. In the last 6 months or so, my breasts have been rounding out nicely. I wear a 36C bra. I love wearing push-up bras to make my breasts look better. I brought myself a wonder bra for Christmas, and it is my favourite bra. I started HRT when I was 21, now 23. I know the younger girls do tend to get bigger breasts.

Quote from: Isabelle on April 12, 2013, 01:54:48 AM
One thing everyone agrees on though is, don't smoke, it stunts your growth.

I actually do smoke, a light regular smoker, so I was a lucky that it did not stunt my growth too much, or did it ... I would love D's or DD's. Maybe I will get breast enhancement  surgery some time in the future.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on April 13, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
I'm at a really awkward stage where a B cup leaves boob hanging out of the sides and a C catches the sides with room to spare... but leaves space at the top. I typically wear a 34B... but if it's a pushup then the boobs kinda slide around and doesn't stay where I want them to stay. My roommate (who was a med student) says I'm a tanner stage 5 but I think she's just being overly supportive. My own thoughts, I'm at T4 and borderline between B and C. My underbust measures a hair under 33" and my measurement around my nipples is 37". They're still shaped kinda funny though, with a lot of space between them and they both poke slightly to the sides.

Men rarely stare at my boobs :( Sometimes they do but mostly they don't....

Alaina we have the same measurements almost, yet you wear a 34 band I'm wearing a 36 or 38.. Its supposed to be under bust plus 4 inches right? I'm confused.

Quote from: Siobhan on April 14, 2013, 05:38:59 AM
Alaina we have the same measurements almost, yet you wear a 34 band I'm wearing a 36 or 38.. Its supposed to be under bust plus 4 inches right? I'm confused.

There's a lot of debate about adding four inches but I don't think you should anymore. It's a relic of days where the material and fabric wasn't as advanced and couldn't stretch or do a lot of things, hence the lack of steel undrwires in most bras nowadays. Your band size should be your underbust measurement (plus one if it's an odd number) and your cup size is bust minus underbust and a 1 inch difference equals an A cup, two inches a B cup, etc. etc.

Here is a better explanation than I can give: http://fullerfigurefullerbust.com/2011/06/16/simply-proven-wrong/ (http://fullerfigurefullerbust.com/2011/06/16/simply-proven-wrong/)

Measurements can be really deceiving though. I'm technically a 34B-29-35 but I don't think it really shows. Granted I'm not exactly shaped man-ishly but not very womanly either. I'm hoping as I start full dose spiro tomorrow at the seven week mark I'll gain more shape.

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Joanna, just an fyi:

A corset with minimal tensioning, can easily reduce the waist by 2"-6" (with 4" being more typical). With your measurements, and a corset, your size could become 34-25-35...which gives you the magical 70% waist-to-hip ratio...

QuoteI'm technically a 34B-29-35 but I don't think it really shows

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Quote from: Beth Andrea on April 14, 2013, 01:00:46 PM
A corset with minimal tensioning, can easily reduce the waist by 2"-6" (with 4" being more typical). With your measurements, and a corset, your size could become 34-25-35...which gives you the magical 70% waist-to-hip ratio...

Hmm, thanks. I really have never given it much thought cause it's always sounded so painful. But hitting a 70 WTH ratio sounds awesome!

A properly fitted corset is not painful, it's like getting a hug. Now, if you wanted to drop 8-10" from the waist...that takes "waist training", which is much more involved and time-consuming (think a year or two of 24/7 wearing)...but even that isn't "painful", it's like getting a "really big bear hug."

The relation between "pain" and "corset" comes from either history (corsets made 150 years ago weren't properly fitted to the person, rather they were made to create a specific shape...ergo, pain), or from close association to the BDSM culture...in that case, the corset is a piece of erotica, not pain/punishment (that's what the candles and paddles are for  ;) )

Anyway, glad I could help a tiny bit.

:)

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on April 13, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
I'm at a really awkward stage where a B cup leaves boob hanging out of the sides and a C catches the sides with room to spare... but leaves space at the top. I typically wear a 34B... but if it's a pushup then the boobs kinda slide around and doesn't stay where I want them to stay. My roommate (who was a med student) says I'm a tanner stage 5 but I think she's just being overly supportive. My own thoughts, I'm at T4 and borderline between B and C. My underbust measures a hair under 33" and my measurement around my nipples is 37". They're still shaped kinda funny though, with a lot of space between them and they both poke slightly to the sides.

Men rarely stare at my boobs :( Sometimes they do but mostly they don't....

Girl, you and I = same boat. I saw my endo 4 days ago...he said just between tanner III and IV...yes, 38 B feels like I am a susage, and C well room to spare. I usually wear a 38B but looking forward to a C.
I have been in HRT for almost 2 years...

I am in my 50's at least chronologically...and yest I still get my period regularly (EYHB)

I am about a month on HRT and have developed nice pubertal breasts that, as Trisha notes can be very tender and feel best in an easy to put on and wear all day sports bra with a bit of a shield.  Considering how we feel, that is what is most important to me.  I just feel great about now developing the breasts I always thought i should have and as a kid thought would magically appear.  More than size it's that feeling of finally getting closer to being the feminine one who shadowed me through my male life.  And then I am not a pretty young thing that hopes to attract attention and dates so our perspectives and agendas do vary too.

Tessa James

Thanks Joanna I will give that a try :)

I never really measured myself ever...
The last time was when I got a bra fitted...
She measures me topless arms down arms up...
And a few other places...than shown me some that
Are sized to me...

I've not wanted to wear a corset because they were uncomfy and they shift your guts around and all that... but losing 4" would be huge. I'd love a 26" waist with 37" hips... and as petite as I am already I think I'd look pretty dang attractive lol...

Plus I could wear tighter stuff without being so self conscious about it. I love loose hanging shirts at the bottom but I also like showing off that I'm pretty narrow (aside from my waist being 30")

On top of all that, wouldn't they push all the fat down? That'd make the hips larger and appear to top off higher on the body.. hmm

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on April 14, 2013, 11:30:27 PM
I've not wanted to wear a corset because they were uncomfy and they shift your guts around and all that... but losing 4" would be huge. I'd love a 26" waist with 37" hips... and as petite as I am already I think I'd look pretty dang attractive lol...

Plus I could wear tighter stuff without being so self conscious about it. I love loose hanging shirts at the bottom but I also like showing off that I'm pretty narrow (aside from my waist being 30")

On top of all that, wouldn't they push all the fat down? That'd make the hips larger and appear to top off higher on the body.. hmm

That's called "muffin tops" and isn't especially attractive, whether it's out the top of the corset or the bottom. Normally, there isn't a lot of displacement (at least, not if the corset is fitted correctly)...if there is a lot of fat, it's best to either lose the weight, or use the corset for less of a reduction (i.e., 2" instead of 4"). That's one reason they have laces on a corset...to adjust the amount of squeeziness.

Losing that fat is next to impossible :( It goes from the thighs and butt first and I have a bunch of that to lose....

Quote from: Cassandra Hyacinth on April 11, 2013, 04:42:05 PM... expect breasts around 1-2 cup sizes smaller than your mother's.

My mom and sisters are quite large, and last several months I have started catching up to them, but they are still a few letters above me in cup-size.  I have passed the pencil test for a long time.

But for me, having had these breasts for a lot of years, my main concern now is that they are heading SOUTH! :o  I.e., gravity effects.  It's normal and actually I love my shape.  It is SO good to feel that way about my body.

generous4, that is one reason women wear bras, to help hold them up. Also help them keep the nice upright pointing straight out look and not down.

Quote from: mm on April 25, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
generous4, that is one reason women wear bras, to help hold them up. Also help them keep the nice upright pointing straight out look and not down.

Yes, I know. 

But for me, wearing my bra is now a survival method!   :D  My breast tissue is getting very heavy, so even in bed at night I feel the need.  It is OK, because my partner and I are together on it, and she is quite helpful with bra needs etc.

Quote from: mm on April 25, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
generous4, that is one reason women wear bras, to help hold them up. Also help them keep the nice upright pointing straight out look and not down.

Actually there was some study published just a few days ago, which stated that bras don't really help at all for that, I mean for sagging. More the opposite actually.

Well, I'm sure there comes another study soon, which states the opposite  :)

I've seen it vary, by quite a bit really. I know one trans girl who still has the occasional breast growth spurt after 4 years on HRT. So it's hard to know when you're actually done. For me, at a year and a few months, still just an A cup.

Some articles I've read that development can take up
To six years but averaging 4 years

Quote from: XchristineX on April 26, 2013, 06:18:35 PM
...six years but averaging 4 years

Just like my sisters and, I suppose, all women, in adolescence.

Exception: pregnancy.