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What changes to facial appearence does estrogen cause and to what degree? Does estrogen make lips larger? Does it change the appearence of the eyes? Does estrogen change the shape and appearence of the nose? Can estrogen change the hair line? What aspects of the face can estrogen change?




Icarus Wings

Quote from: Icarus Wings on May 30, 2007, 08:25:41 AM
What changes to facial appearence does estrogen cause and to what degree? Does estrogen make lips larger? Does it change the appearence of the eyes? Does estrogen change the shape and appearence of the nose? Can estrogen change the hair line? What aspects of the face can estrogen change?

Google "Annah Moore" and take a look at her website and pics.

Everyone is different, but for me it basically is moving the fat upwards and forwards... that is, the areas below my cheekbones hollowed out more, but above the cheekbones and down through and around the mouth is super-puffy. I keep joking it's turning me into a pufferfish, lol.

My eyes look different, though I don't know what it is. Probably due to getting puffy under them.

Cheeks get fuller and puffy.

My mouth got pouty-puffy, like it's pushing out into a pucker.

The recession in my temples filled in a lot, though it's far from a rounded, feminine hairline.

A TS friend of mine describes the facial changes as "dramatically subtle," which is about it... it's hard to put your finger on it exactly, yet it's certainly noticable.

~Kate~

You can see some of my earlier pics here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,8146.msg58643.html#msg58643

I'm using one of my more recent pics for my profile, although I normally wear glasses now.

Horror pick, day 0.
Notice how small a jaw and chin I had even before (thank god)
Got a rhino and brow bossing done later, but you got a good view at the jawline and around the mouth.

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Last month, not best ones, but mouth is relaxed (I usual smile) so
its possible to compare with original photo.

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A bit sexy :-), but its the one that most clearly shows the puffyness around the mouth.

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I am terrified of my lips getting puffier as they are way too big as is!  I know the opposite is usually true but OMG I am in trouble if it makes them look any bigger.  My avatar doesn't do them justice.

Charlotte

My face has changed a lot, an I think it varies person to person what happens and to what degree. I've got to go, however, so I don't have time to post some pics. I should get a new picture of myself sometime, too. People keep bugging me that my pictures don't do me justice and in person I look much better than my pictures.

Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day. Pre-HRT and 9 months HRT.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Ewildfaerie%2Fcompare400.jpg&hash=188364098b9854df7a9213ecd497103ed1305f4d)

And you say you don't pass Kate!! Haaaa, give us a break :-) you lovely girl.
You are soon be crushing guys/girls hearts ;-).
You just need self-confidence and possibly some feather like in Dumbo (remember that movie)... In this case, you can use makeup as a your own talisman, but you don't really need it. The changes in your case, in all our cases, are subtle but very powerfull, I'm always surprised at how different we look!!!

Yeah, the H... in your case will make a load of difference, because everything else screams female loud and clear to me.

Good to see you are progressing so well Kate. Big Hug.

BTW: I don't think you have realized how much you changed!!!
The fat around the mouth and in the frontal jawline is quite obvious in your case in very feminising.

Dear Kate:

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh my heavens, you are beautiful :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch:

Icarus Wings/Seaf

Just a quick thank you for the topic and replies. It is just the kind of thing I need to see. I'm not on HRT and so uninformed on what is possible with HRT. I read things but seeing you all has been very helpful.

My big step was shaving two weeks ago. I asked my wife if I could and because of the emotional state I was in at the time she said yes. A couple days later our roles were reversed. I was in a good place mentally after trying the clean shaven look and she was having a VERY difficult time with it. So to save her the mental anguish of me proceeding too fast I grew it back. Now its trimmed very neatly and very close.

Your topic and folks replies have helped me see the possibilities for when its time to try again.

Thanks again,

Debbie

I'll let you know in a few months. Here is a pic of me day one of my transition...which I officially started today with my full dose of HRT. This is just me as normal everyday, not trying to be female or pass or do anything but live and work as male. I'm sure it will get harder in the upcoming months.




https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=652

I'll post pics in the coming months to see what changes if any there are.

Quote from: Kate on June 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day.

Please don't show a good picture, I'm jealous already. ;)

  Nfr

Quote from: Icarus Wings on June 02, 2007, 03:33:09 AM
I guess what is so stunning about Kate's photo is she is not just very attractive, but she has a feminine innocence and a tenderness to her look. WOW talking about Snow White! Oh my heavens!

Awl, thank you so much... everyone... for the kind words. Really... THANK you.

It's ironic: when I started all this, I assumed that getting *other* people to see me for who I am would be my challenge.

But it seems for some of us, the real challenge is changing our own self-perception.

There REALLY should be a "Transitioning for Dummies" manual for this stuff, lol...

~Kate~

I have been on Estrogen nearly 8 years now and cant really judge facial changes due to the FFS that I have had.

Kate: .... I hate to say this but you where a cute guy.

But ... a very pretty and passable woman.

Buffy

Most people that knew me from before believe that I've had FFS, but I've never had any type of facial surgery.  My nose has become thinner, my jaw line has dramatically softened, my cheeks seem to be more prominent now, my entire face has rounded, my eyes seem larger. I'm literally a new person to my family and long-time friends.

I sometimes hear that estrogen doesn't change the appearance of the face; I'm not quite sure about that because it virtually gave me a different face without the need of surgery.  I can't give you an example of what I used to look like, but you wouldn't say that I look "male", would you?

Wow Kate, I remember awhile back when I first came to the forums, you shared with me that when you started you had feelings of self doubt about how well you will pass...you look fantastic :) and you also made me feel a whole lot better about my chances as well.  I am so glad you  posted the picture!  Thank you!

Charlotte

Quote from: Kate on June 02, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
when I started all this, I assumed that getting *other* people to see me for who I am would be my challenge.

But it seems for some of us, the real challenge is changing our own self-perception.
~Kate~

You hit it right on the head. We are so worried about what others will think that we don;t even know how we feel about ourselves. Switching the two around makes life a whole lot easier. :)

At first, our self-esteem is so battered that if people look at us we often assume its because we are clocked; we assume the worse because of out bent self-image.

I know that I passed as female 4 months into HRT when its obvious from pictures that I looked 10 times more male than now, yet till lately, still, I still felt this fleeting self-consciousness, of being on the verge of being discovered when people that knew me pre-HRT can't even pick me out of a small group.

Kate, if you want to know if its self-perception that's the problem; when you wake up, still groggy, open the bathroom light and look in the mirror for 1-2 seconds, don't linger. The groggyness and short exposures time with sort of bypass normal self-criticism and you'll see yourself, at that instant, like others do.

The first time I realized that, 3 months back, I went to the bathroom in the middle of the night and opened the light and was flabbergasted in the first instants at how female I looked!!! I then sat on the toilet and just cried of joy...  Later in the day, after the brain restarted, as critical as ever, I saw all those male traits again and felt as self-conscious about them as ever.

But, now, a few months down the road, I don't see that old me anymore, I have integrated the new image into my psyche and its the only one I see. In fact, I can't seem to remember how I looked like before. When I see pictures of me last year, its like a different person, I have difficulty putting myself in that picture.

I can't recall Kate, did you come out at work already. If not, I don't who you're trying to fool ;-). Change that name, wear that dress, live that life you deserve, god YOU ARE READY.

Well, my face has totally changed.  There's no way that people who knew me from before could recognize me.  I personally think that the effects you get from HRT have a lot to do with genetics.  While it is true that some people change drastically with the use of hormones, it is also true that some do not.  I wish I could share a photo of my evil twin, but I don't find it appropriate anymore; besides, some of you have already seen them, so you know that it is true.

tink :icon_chick:

Dear Malissa:

Have you ever been to Providence Town, on Cape Code, MA. It is a very well known artistic LGBT beach holiday community with many art galleries? The reason why I am asking, is I am going nuts trying to remember where on earth I have met you! ???


Icarus Wings

Little to nothing.  I had to have FFS in the States. Estrogen did contour my face to a more feminine look but not to the point that I could be "passable" as a woman.  One thing is to look like a woman and another is to look like a feminine man.  My observation is that if you're trying to succeed in life as your preferred gender, the latter isn't going to get you there.

One question for the HRT veterans here who had quick facial change (I had quick changes, but I am no veteran :-), are there more changes that happen past the first year? Or is there a plateau. Like Kate say, there must be a limit unless you want to look someone with mouthfull of cotton.

I suppose the face continues to accumulate fat, its just not as dramatic because it doesn't make you look like another gender, it just makes the cheeks a bit fuller.

I've been thinking of slightly deflating (about 5mm on one side, 3 mm on the other for a subtle effect) the masseter with bottox. It doesn't quite show in photographs, they kind of sticks out of my cheeks from the frontal view when I put any tension on the muscle (like smiling) and its the only thing that annoys me now. Its a minor thing and its reversible if I don't like it (just chew a lot of gum for awhile).

Anyway, for the long time HRT users, did you see/feel a reduction of your masseter over time, and if so, how long did it take? (a softer diet, not chewing squid or gum ;-), would reveal this quicker).

Quote from: Keira on June 03, 2007, 12:39:50 PM
One question for the HRT veterans here who had quick facial change (I had quick changes, but I am no veteran :-), are there more changes that happen past the first year? Or is there a plateau. Like Kate say, there must be a limit unless you want to look someone with mouthfull of cotton.

For me the first year or two of HRT gave me a softer skin and redistributed the fat on my face, so that my jaw line became softer, and quite quickly these changes allowed me to be perceived as female by people around me in shops and in the street.

Since then, I'd say there's not been much real change to my facial form, but I have noticed other, less desirable changes; my skin has become much thinner and is now much more sensitive than it once was.  For example, I never go out in full sunshine without some degree of sun protection on my face, otherwise I tend to burn much more quickly than I used to...

MVER XXX 

Quote from: Kate on June 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
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Did I miss this yesterday or you just added it today?  Wow Kate, you know, forgive me, but I honestly believe that you are making a storm in a glass of water.  I just don't see how anyone in their right mind could see you as anything else but female.  Estrogen is your friend, and believe me, it (estrogen) doesn't like too many people.  Congratulations! you look great! so as I said once (remember?  ;)) go out there and conquer the world!  ;D

tink :icon_chick:

Yep, I forgot to mention Kate, you look great !!

MVER XXX

Quote from: Kate on June 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day. Pre-HRT and 9 months HRT.

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Bloody hell kate, you look fantastic, I wouldn't read you at all from that pic and I have a pretty sharp eye for trans signs.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg57.imageshack.us%2Fimg57%2F3259%2Fbeforeaftertv3.jpg&hash=1c1ce18b7e2b05033be7dc7be479caab94ec24e6)

makeup raw pics, sorry the old pic sucks i just don't have many pictures of what i used to look like.

Quote from: Kate on June 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day. Pre-HRT and 9 months HRT.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Ewildfaerie%2Fcompare400.jpg&hash=188364098b9854df7a9213ecd497103ed1305f4d)

Gee - I can not believe I missed this.

Kate - Your new Avatar Pic is on the right - I told you there is no more need for your muse. I hope you put the new pic up there soon - we all need to see the real Kate.

:icon_hug:

Alice

God I'm starting to be jealous about all the praise heaped on Kate.
Man, what's a girl have to do to get noticed around here (pouting)  :D

BTW: Mawd, god I wish I could take E at 18 like you,
I know I would have been an innocent eyed stunner like you, I just know it  :angel:

Yeah, gotta put better pictures to compete with the young guns here.. >:D

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For good measure, finally found the multi-angle serie of photos I took on day 1 of HRT.
I recommend everyone does this. Do not be frightened by this, it is only ghost of things past.

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All of you girls are so "right on." I don't think that I will ever change enough to post my pic. I am in awe of all who shared!!
-Barb

Quote from: Keira on June 04, 2007, 04:58:13 AM
God I'm starting to be jealous about all the praise heaped on Kate.
Man, what's a girl have to do to get noticed around here (pouting)  :D

BTW: Mawd, god I wish I could take E at 18 like you,
I know I would have been an innocent eyed stunner like you, I just know it  :angel:

Well, you ARE a stunner.  The tiny bit of FFS really made you amazingly beautiful, especially your profile pic.

I was the first person to praise Kate on her pic (via IM) and perhaps that helped give her enough courage to show herself on here finally.  By the way, Kate, I told you so. :)

Keira, your boy pic clocks girl to me. It looks a lot like some of my butch girlfriends.
Kate looks nice but I woudn't beat myself up if I were you. You still have some sharp lines that HRT will soften if you give it time. I don't know what your orientation is but most dykes would find you incredibly attractive.

My current avatar is a recent snapshot, with virtually no make-up but I had FFS. I still look at my high-school picture and wonder what I would have looked like had I transitioned then and if I would have needed FFS. Funny I was so pretty then I used to get a lot of lesbian girls interested in me.

Most days, but not all... I know I look pretty good, especially in all angles but the frontal ones, where my masseter sticks out the back, slightly squaring the jaw (not bad, but it annoys).

I'm so insecure about everything, never expected anything out of life... I want to be attractive to someone, physically, emotionally, god it takes a long time to rebuild self-esteem battered by decades of self-abnegation.

I was a zombie mess for so long, had no needs; now, I wake up at close to 40 and want so much to feel attractive, which is great part is just feeling good with myself, having compassion for myself.

For decades I never cared for compliments, especially about how I looked, but now somehow its important. Never expected or cared for any validation, or anything good, I was a half barren island lost at sea, but now, I need some validation, maybe I always needed it and just didn't think I deserve it

Oh my, I've got a lot of cobwebs inside to clean up.

Sometimes I feel like I'm trolling for validation. Thanks very much to all who not be annoyed by that!

I was looking at Keira's old picture, save for the hairline and hair...um you don't look male at all in those pictures.  More like a butch woman. 

I find noses really funny.  I think nobody really likes thier nose unless they change it, and even when they change it they may not like it.  You would have been fine either way. 

Quote from: Amy T. on June 04, 2007, 04:29:48 PM
I was looking at Keira's old picture, save for the hairline and hair...um you don't look male at all in those pictures.  More like a butch woman. 

I find noses really funny.  I think nobody really likes thier nose unless they change it, and even when they change it they may not like it.  You would have been fine either way. 

I like my nose.

Funny this is when I went to Brassard, it was not for the nose, it was useless (some internal problems meant I couldn't breathe through it, but I told myself I could wait to get it done). I went to brassard to get the brow bossing chopped off (that bothered me!!). But, I mentioned in passing that one day I'd like to get the nose done too and he went into his selling spiel about costing the rhino 1500$ less if I do it at the same time as the other and because I only needed tweeks (no breakage), I'd be low risk. Within minutes my mind was made up.

The differences are not massive: 6 mm shorter, 50% less wide tip, slight convexity, upturned end, better defined tip, the septum which showed clearly through the skin (which looked like somebody crayoned my nose) was covered in fascia so it wouldn't show, and finally the collapsed supra-tip and nostrils which had blocked my airways was fixed and I can breathe.  In the serie of photos, not much of this shows; but in person the improvement has been significant and I feel my nose is less intrusive. Your right, the nose was mainly I think for esthetic reason; though I also believe that because it is delicate that it does feminize my face even more (but that was not the main reason for getting it done).

A Rhino is rarely a big obvious thing most people think it is, a nose should not be the face's focus, that's the point of a nose job, to put the emphasis on other things (eyes, mouth, etc.). If the difference are so huge that it draws attention it iself; its a bad rhino.

Well I think you are beautiful Keira.

the main thing that i noticed in each set of photos was one thing that can make anyone look better in seconds. A smile. In the before photos there is no smile and in the after photos there is all kinds of smiles. A smile will always brighten up a photo of someone :)

so before that shutter goes *click* say cheese and hold it ;D

Keira, what can I say, you really tempt me to check out a return to Montreal for some "mild" facial work .... and see Dr Brassard and Chantal once again  :) !

But going back to the original question, I found that HRT changed my facial appearance over 1 - 2 years to an extent that FSS became a "maybe" rather than a "necessity" in my list of priorities :

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.geocities.com%2Flaura_eva_b%2Fchanges_min.jpg&hash=279a158aa45684458a3fae1bd3ec4e94c13fc1e9)

The big changes were a huge improvement in my skin texture, and a "plumping out" which changed the whole shape of my face ... made my cheeks so much more prominent, massively reduced the visibility of acne pitting, and even smoothed out the rings under my eyes !

Hard to believe the photos are of the same person, just four years apart and after two years HRT (and despite the "fuller" face I'm 30 lb lighter in the second pic !).

Despite people telling me that I look terrific for a 48 year old woman I still have huge episodes of self doubt in front of that morning mirror, where I just keep on seeing the "old me" staring resolutely back ... guess this is where FFS maybe helps ?

But I do "pass" without question wherever I go, can "pick up" younger guys who don't have a clue about my past with seeming ease (but even post-op feel I expose myself to big danger doing this), and I guess I have the estrogen pills to thank for being in this position .....

For info me (similar pic) after just 1 year HRT :
http://uk.geocities.com/laura_eva_b/Before_and_After.jpg (http://uk.geocities.com/laura_eva_b/Before_and_After.jpg)

And 2 year pic full size :
http://uk.geocities.com/laura_eva_b/changes06min.jpg (http://uk.geocities.com/laura_eva_b/changes06min.jpg)

Laura x

Quote from: Keira on June 04, 2007, 04:58:13 AM
Man, what's a girl have to do to get noticed around here (pouting)  :D

Good lord Keira, you're absolutely gorgeous! Even your "male" pics just look like a short-haired girl to me. Your features are so delicate and feminine... I've always been SO jealous!

~Kate~

I guess it is only fitting that I do a photo progression of myself for the sake of shock value. :)

Me when I was 14 or 15. It was a dare from a friend and I wasn't about to pass the moment up. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1341%2F530888444_f441564e72.jpg&hash=81afdac1afa9c8b5ff61a3c49a80961ddd1f8edf)
Me when I was in the Marine Corps. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1135%2F530884820_bb65fe4f4f.jpg&hash=1faad4941f6b176f0ef2c7eb3bd693c4ea9d0aab)
My daughter and I in July of 06. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa467.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages01%2F57%2Fl_a325a96c126dcce0bb483338ca24947a.jpg&hash=0ce0ed62c04158253beb12880334cd0f29a20cd0)
This was at Ocean City,MD 2 days after starting my RLT. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa50.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2F01094%2F94%2F09%2F1094609049_l.jpg&hash=6b59900b57de804d3a9dfa7414fc26a6c9d72961)
Me in September of 06 (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1394%2F530884938_35eb207eed.jpg&hash=02611a95cd9cbd4c8ff6974a79b5bdf686696c5e)
This is what I wore to my company's awards banquet in Dec of 06. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa980.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages01%2F53%2Fl_69a9b73de5affbc977b3334dc379b973.jpg&hash=f5a657f0375508951546e1b2b8a3599c33d68104)
And of course, me now (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa891.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages01%2F49%2Fl_a82b7fc56dde7cd1016a57b0fa0d2a0a.jpg&hash=06a4117417cc5c6057db8cc832363e144925dddb)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1273%2F530890408_7a7a3c5a91.jpg%3Fv%3D0&hash=5b5b1a55cc83768378f5c30f10f615251b3d29d8)

And for the record, I too still see the masculine me poking through in the mirror from time to time as well. It is only natural and is not indicative of anything beyond that. :)

Something I've noticed, since I began looking at transwomen photos, is that I see male features in the faces of genetic women.

I don't think that even 1/10th of the women I look at are actually biological males on HRT. But they have weird hairlines (Not male hairlines, but still), they have masculinity in their jaws, or chins, or cheeks. People are flawed.

While I was fussing about something, a female friend, who I intend to come out to in the near future told me "Don't be perfect."


Edit: Also I'm really kicking myself that I discovered my transgender leanings when i was 18 but because of my fear of my mother did nothing about it. I think I'm going to tell her this month, she's been out of town for most of the year.

Quote from: Autumn on June 04, 2007, 10:27:53 PM
Something I've noticed, since I began looking at transwomen photos, is that I see male features in the faces of genetic women.

I don't think that even 1/10th of the women I look at are actually biological males on HRT. But they have weird hairlines (Not male hairlines, but still), they have masculinity in their jaws, or chins, or cheeks. People are flawed.

While I was fussing about something, a female friend, who I intend to come out to in the near future told me "Don't be perfect."

BINGO! Perfection is unattainable and when sought after only leads to disappointment. You have a good friend and a good head on your shoulders. :)

I really like the girly going out picture, probably because I'm kind of "girly" myself :-).
You look real good, an Italian beauty :-); hope I'm not mixing up ethnic background!!
The funny thing is the tattoos look really good on you. You pull it off.
Because I have a more classical look, not sure I could pull that off.

You had a boyish face in your pre-HRT persona (even in army suit, you see that); that helps a lot with HRT.
Your face hasn't changed much from early puberty (which obviously helps A LOT) in passing.

Quote from: Keira on June 04, 2007, 10:31:02 PM

I really like the girly going out picture, probably because I'm kind of "girly" myself :-).
You look real good, an Italian beauty :-); hope I'm not mixing up ethnic background!!
The funny thing is the tattoos look really good on you. You pull it off.
Because I have a more classical look, not sure I could pull that off.

You had a boyish face in your pre-HRT persona (even in army suit, you see that); that helps a lot with HRT.
Your face hasn't changed much from early puberty (which obviously helps A LOT) in passing.

you are very correct about the ethnicity. :) Hence the big nose and generous amounts of thick hair.



My daughter will be here next month for annual two-week visit. I will have lots of photos to show off then :)

I have a question about facial hair. I know that for some people HRT doesn't help at all, while for others it slows things down. Yes, everyone's different, but I'm wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate about how much it may slow down for a 21 year old. Thanks!

Quote from: Sippin my tea on May 05, 2009, 11:02:35 PM
I have a question about facial hair. I know that for some people HRT doesn't help at all, while for others it slows things down. Yes, everyone's different, but I'm wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate about how much it may slow down for a 21 year old. Thanks!

It should help in preventing anything that isn't coarse already from coarsening which will make electro easier and less time-consuming. But whatever is coarse now will remain coarse until it's gone.

But lots of non-trans women get electro as well for coarse hair on the chin and lips, and sometimes even on the cheeks.

Nichole