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So, I just measured all my hand measurements using this:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Ff%2Ffc%2FHandAnthropometry.JPG&hash=04ac3c14dcf6947635c0ddfcf6f119bc8fa3af93)

I have girl hands. :)
3" width, 6.8" circumference, and 7" length.

I'm not sure if this is liable to be trigger-ish, so... feel free to post your measurements. Or not.

I don't have anything to measure my hand with, but i know my hands are bigger than average for women and probably a bit smaller than average for men, and I kind of have fairly slim fingers... But anyway, I have a cis female friend with kinda large hands too, and she's quite tall, so I guess it makes sense for my hands to be bigger than average for women since I'm pretty tall too :P

Mostly "girl" hands...

3.6" first measurement

7.3" second

8.0" third

...but having measured, I've compared my hands to cis-women and I tend to have smaller hands than they have, given a similar height/build.

I wear Medium gloves, fwiw.

8/7.5
19.5/17.5
20.5/18.5

One of each (my right hand is smaller) 8)

I won't be measuring, but I suspect my hands are more in the male range.  I don't let it bother me though.  After all, my Mom's hands are the same size as mine.  So, for the ladies with slightly bigger hands, don't let it get you down if you don't fit into the desired range.

I found a ruler and tried do the measurements...

I got 7.5cm for the first one, 19.5cm for the 2nd one and no idea how to do the 3rd one (I imagine a ruler wouldn't work to do it either?)...

Not really sure what it all means though lol (Like how do the percentile things work?)

Quote from: SarahDoll1987 on April 21, 2013, 09:37:43 AM
I found a ruler and tried do the measurements...

I got 7.5cm for the first one, 19.5cm for the 2nd one and no idea how to do the 3rd one (I imagine a ruler wouldn't work to do it either?)...

Not really sure what it all means though lol (Like how do the percentile things work?)

It's a bell-curve distribution. If you're at the 50th percentile, you're right at the top of the measurement hump.

Width= 8.3cm/3"1in
Length=17.5cm/7"0in
Circumference=19.5cm/7"6in

Quote from: SarahDoll1987 on April 21, 2013, 09:37:43 AM
I found a ruler and tried do the measurements...

I got 7.5cm for the first one, 19.5cm for the 2nd one and no idea how to do the 3rd one (I imagine a ruler wouldn't work to do it either?)...

Not really sure what it all means though lol (Like how do the percentile things work?)

Think bell curve, with 50% dead centre:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.claudiax.net%2FGIFFERS%2Fnormal.gif&hash=ced2d5a8afc2f3c04804223d7d81abe59aabbb53)

Thanks for the responses.. So for the first one I'm about average and the 2nd a little above average... Not sure about the 3rd one though :p

looks average to me

Hand width - 3 inches
Hand Length - 6.625 inches
Hand circumference - 7.25 inches

Hand Width 8.5cm
Hand Length 19.5cm
Hand Circumference 21.5cm

Large for a lady but as expected. I ain't no pixie princess that's for sure :) Definitely a sturdy-girl here.

I have girl-hands too, according to that table :)

7,5 cm
18 cm
17,5 cm

Do you think, this table is correct? Because I know that I have bigger hands than a typical girl. On the other hand, I think I have smaller ones then most of the guys.
I think, they are somewhere inbetween.

love this table :)

Regardless how my measurements turn out (big hands, big feet lol) I'm going to have issues as my hands are scarred up from years of labour work prior to becoming a nurse. I once was asked for ID at a pub and then the doorman said, "actually, don't worry about it, you have the hands of a working man." ... if only he knew lol...

7.0 inches length
3.0 inches in width
Didn't measure the circumference.

I knew I had girl hands before even measuring. Every girl I've been friends with always had the same size hands as me or bigger.

I'm curious where this comes from, and what are measurements #1-44?

It's from Wikimedia. I assume it hails from an anatomy textbook.

Or the Palmreading 101 textbook!

Cool post. Lucky here I guess, small to medium hands, fingers are too short. I try to grow long nails to try & offset, size 9 rings so that's good.

My hands measured 6" long, 2.5" in breadth, and 6" in circumference. I have no idea what percentile that is but I know that my hands are really small. Smaller then most women I've met. And for being trans and having these hands I should get an award for that. JK LOL They're actually starting to look even smaller though I don't think that's possible. And I hope it's not.

I got big hands,also got old peoples'hands as some chav told me today!I'd look silly with small hands

Big hands here too.

There is an asian lady that I work with that has noticeably huge hands so there are natal females out there with them.

Hmm... I think it would be interesting to compare our forum bell curve to the ones for male and female there. I wonder how close it would skew to the female distribution. :) ...Hmm... Maybe with a poll?

I haven't measured but since every other part of me is built like a professional athlete I imagine I have man hands in the upper percentage range!   :-\

Breadth and circumference would be the more accurate measurements to compare male and female skeletons. On average, male bones are much thicker and this is particularly evident on the hands. So if you're all worried about finger length, the other measurements will "out" you faster. Whatever that means. But all these things are relative. I have small hands and nobody has ever really noticed save for about five people who said something. The only real way to show differences between males and females is in brow bossing, jaw size and skull circumference and even that isn't an exact science. Pelvic size isn't even used to determine the sex of skeletons. True story. If you really want to make yourself feel bad though (I have no idea who YOU is addressed to lol), read this on human average size and measurement or as it is called, anthropometry:

http://www.mech.utah.edu/ergo/pages/Educational/safety_modules/ctd-anthropometry/ (http://www.mech.utah.edu/ergo/pages/Educational/safety_modules/ctd-anthropometry/)

Always knew my hands were girly... ( although long )

Hand breadth: 3.1"
Hand length: 7.5"
Hand circumference: 7.0"

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Try googling this: Hand Anthropometry

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1st one is 3''
Lenth is 7''
And 6.2''

:3

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 21, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Or the Palmreading 101 textbook!

I dunno, I've done quite a bit of amateur palm reading, and measurements didn't come into play at all (though proportions certainly did matter). It's all a bit silly, but fun anyway.

 Hand width is 2.75"
Hand length is 6.75"
Hand circumference is 6.5"

Looks like I have pretty long fingers for these hands.

Width 3 3/8 inches  <5th percentile for a male, >50th percentile for a female
Length 7 1/4 inches  <50th percentile for a male, >50th percentile for a female
Circumf  8 1/8 inches  <50th percentile for a male, >95th percentile for a female

That makes me ..

a fat androgyne  >:(

Surprised and delighted at the results because i´m mostly in the average female range but i think cis males have thicker hands in general so there goes the delight.

Hand breadth: 3.5"
Hand length: 7.7"
Hand circumference: 8.0"

Breadth: 8.5~9.25 cm - Anywhere from fairly neutral to definitely male.
Length: 19 cm - Slightly more male than female
Circumference: 20 cm - Slightly more male than female.

The breadth is hard to measure.

I guess it could be worse, but sigh, how much I hate these broad hands with bear palms and ridiculous, thick fingers.

7" long
3 1/4" wide
8" circumference

Small hands for a man, somewhat large for a woman.

for me, width is 3.251", length is approx. 7.201" and circumference is around 7.815" thereabouts.

What it means to me that I can measure stuff pretty good, but that's about it, lol.

OK just to show what an amazing procrastinator I am, when I should be revising for an important exam. Have a cumlative percentage curve for the male and female Palm widths.  It's not perfect but it wasted my time nicely. There are some people's values missing off each that are either too big or too small.  As you can see as a group, those who answered seem to fit better in the female range. God I feel like a geek  :embarrassed:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1320.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu528%2FSailing-Girl%2FPalms_zpsf2ac5cd9.jpg&hash=39b1b5b4caf48877f7b8038fbccf6f7fc4ab44be) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/Sailing-Girl/media/Palms_zpsf2ac5cd9.jpg.html)

Quote from: Renee on April 22, 2013, 04:08:54 PM
for me, width is 3.251", length is approx. 7.201" and circumference is around 7.815" thereabouts.

What it means to me that I can measure stuff pretty good, but that's about it, lol.

Precision to the thousandth?  Use must have used calipers!   ;)

Welcome back, sweetie  ;D

Quote from: Jamie D on April 22, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
Precision to the thousandth?  Use must have used calipers!   ;)

Welcome back, sweetie  ;D

Of course I did, what else would I use. I even made sure to zero them out good first too.

And I'm transparent, aren't I?  lol

I am very happy to be 50 percent for female on all.  :-)

Width 3"3
Length 6 3/4
Circumference 7 1/2

Today I've heard, that female and male hands differ in finger-length ratios. Who is the longer one: the index- or the ringfinger.
Interested in that I googled a little bit and found out that it seems to be a well-known fact, that female hands have (relatively) longer index-fingers while male hands have longer ring-fingers.
They even assoziate it to pre-natal hormon levels in the uterus, sometimes. Totally new for me. Never payed any attention to that ...

In my hands, the index- and the ringfinger are of totally equal length ... hmmm ... what does that say to me? :)

What's the finger-length ratio in your hands?

Quote from: Joliy on April 26, 2013, 09:52:51 AM
Today I've heard, that female and male hands differ in finger-length ratios. Who is the longer one: the index- or the ringfinger.
Interested in that I googled a little bit and found out that it seems to be a well-known fact, that female hands have (relatively) longer index-fingers while male hands have longer ring-fingers.
They even assoziate it to pre-natal hormon levels in the uterus, sometimes. Totally new for me. Never payed any attention to that ...

In my hands, the index- and the ringfinger are of totally equal length ... hmmm ... what does that say to me? :)

What's the finger-length ratio in your hands?

Not again...

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.htm)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.msg525773.html)
and more.....
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Quote from: Tesla on April 26, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
Not again...

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.htm)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.msg525773.html)
and more.....
;D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1279.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy537%2FDevlynMarie%2Ffacepalm_pC3A1rduc_thumb_zpsfdda039f.jpg&hash=1610068d81cab0198ac9aec26a94c7bab461303a)

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 26, 2013, 10:44:07 AM

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1279.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy537%2FDevlynMarie%2Ffacepalm_pC3A1rduc_thumb_zpsfdda039f.jpg&hash=1610068d81cab0198ac9aec26a94c7bab461303a)

Meoooow!  :laugh:

It's always funny how everyone always get's their panties in a wad over such minutia!  :D Pay attention to the petroleum group's commercial on TV where the tall woman in the black pant's suit walks out onstage. She as well as many other women have extremely large hands for women and it doesn't seem to hold them back any. BTW - You can bet that they don't make size 12 and up high heels just to accommodate the whims of trans women either.

Hm.

7.5cm (2.95in)
17.5cm (6.89in)
17.5cm (6.89in)

My right hand's circumference is a tad bigger at 18cm (7.09in)

Slightly smaller than average female it seems. Then again, even many years ago I already had to buy my gloves in the women's section.  :)

I don't think this study is accurate.

Check this http://www.ergonomics4schools.com/lzone/tools.htm (http://www.ergonomics4schools.com/lzone/tools.htm)

Quote from: Joules on October 03, 2013, 08:02:45 AM
Bump.  This thread would do well with another pass for recent adds to our circle of friends and family...  He He  ;D

You mean before this question as well as that other one about finger length ratio has been asked? ;)

P.S. I think somewhere deep down was also a thread about female and trans spatial abilities and map-reading...

Just showed my partner this thread. She has bigger hands than me.  >:-) Now I have to deal with a woman with a complex all afternoon. ::)

Hello old thread! Glad to see you again!
To summarize for the newcomers: Here's a hand-size chart! Feel free to test yourself against it; don't feel bad if you aren't perfect; a statistically significant number of transwomen fall within the normal female range.

Y'all are great folks. Hand size is completely irrelevant to that or to your femininity.

Quote from: ZoeM on October 03, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
Y'all are great folks. Hand size is completely irrelevant to that or to your femininity.

True true! And if You cant read maps, that does not mean that You are or are not trans. It only means that You might get lost. Someday.

Girl hands! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!

To start, it's true that none of this matters in the least when it comes to 'are you trans or not'. I remember when I first started, I went through a period where I measured *everything*. Some parts fit the pre-natal hypothesis, some parts didn't. What I found out later was that these things are a crazy distraction from doing the work of getting on with your acceptance of self and, while particular parts are nice for some kind of validation, nothing is going to fix the fact that I was still born with a body that was going to mature into the wrong sex and that's that so, while I'll play the data points game, I'd really encourage newbies to treat this stuff as what it is: traits. It's about the same thing as your hair color and just as relevant.

That said, just for the data points:

3.2 Width            \
7.0 Length            |- Inconclusively male or female though typical for my size.
7.9 Circumference /

2d4d Digit ratio has 2d longer by about 1/8". - Signs point to limited testosterone exposure

Carry angle on arms is difficult to measure at this point due to the fact that I work out a lot. Seems to be around 167º or so.

Upper to lower arm ratio: = 1.37 (female typical)

My hands are actually pretty well proportioned to my frame and the extra finger length is nice for the simple ability to open jars. The only thing I don't like about having larger hands is the lack of gloves available in that size.

P.S. Fingers be damned, nothing changes the larger than should be rib cage, shoulders, or deeper pelvic girdle... uggh.

3.4 breadth
8.0 length
8.0 circumference

My measurements are n inches! I love my hands!

*heh*  I fit into the 99th percentile for women on everything except width, where I am slightly closer to the majority.

Of course, at 6'4", I'm comfortably in the 99th percentile on height for women, too, so I guess the world will just have to deal. ;)

I did all that measuring and I'm not even sure why.  Not like those numbers are going to affect my dysphoria one way or another, but since I have the numbers, here they are (in inches):

3.2 breadth
8.1 length
8.1 circ.

Quote from: ZoeM on April 21, 2013, 09:04:56 AM
So, I just measured all my hand measurements using this:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Ff%2Ffc%2FHandAnthropometry.JPG&hash=04ac3c14dcf6947635c0ddfcf6f119bc8fa3af93)

I have girl hands. :)
3" width, 6.8" circumference, and 7" length.

I'm not sure if this is liable to be trigger-ish, so... feel free to post your measurements. Or not.

45: 2.8 in.
46: 7 in.
47: 6.7 in.

I already knew I had fairly feminine hands for my size. I'm 5' 11" and have the same exact size hands as my 5'4" mother.

Quote from: Nicolette on April 26, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
Not again...

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32265.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,137219.0.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,71233.msg486210.htm)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,125427.msg1030218.html)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,76552.msg525773.html)
and more.....
;D

That's odd, I never noticed that about the elbows.  My elbows bend my forearm out to about a 45 degree angle from my thighs, I have to strain a little to touch my thighs.  I think that's inaccurate? But definitely interesting.

Mine were,
3.1 width
7.5 length
7.25 circumference

My hands are on the very bottom of the spectrum on all three measurements for men's hands, I suppose that makes sense because after all I was born a man. I'm 5' 7" tall, medium boned and wear a women's glove size as men's are all too large.
No BS from this gal...meh!

My hands are long and narrow. (Piano player hands) But I am also 5' 11" and skinny

45 = 3.1" (7.87cm)
46 = 7.5" (19.05cm)
47 = 8" (20.32cm)

You can see in my avatar that they are fairly wide hands... probably from playing stringed instruments for the last 43 years. :)

I was surprised how long my fingers are. Unlike the chart, my index finger is longer than my ring finger, and both index fingers are curved towards my middle finger. If I straighten them out then are even longer. Weird.

Funny how everyone has slightly different hands. :)

Not girly hands in the least.  lol 

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fnails.jpg&hash=ff7f6a9be5e07f47d389ac927140ce94e560d53a)

Wow, mine are like 99% percentile in all measurements for men lol.

I don't think they look particularly manly because my fingers are pretty slender, and tbh I don't think people really notice or gender you on your hands much.

Quote from: abbyt89 on October 04, 2013, 07:59:31 AM
Wow, mine are like 99% percentile in all measurements for men lol.

I don't think they look particularly manly because my fingers are pretty slender, and tbh I don't think people really notice or gender you on your hands much.

I've seen plenty of cis females with big manly looking hands and feet and so far I haven't called even one of them out on it!  :D ;D :laugh:

Yeah. I've got Man Hands.  Boo Hoo.   :(    ;)   Oh well, they'er not gonna change.

Quote from: kathyk on October 04, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
Yeah. I've got Man Hands.  Boo Hoo.   :(    ;)   Oh well, they'er not gonna change.

Yup! I try to not let things bother me that I have no ability to change. So yeah my feet/hands and shoulders are bigger than I like but what can I do?

My hands are on the bigger side.. and are a little manly, but the HRT has made the skin softer and shiny so they do have a feminine look to the them

Quote from: noleen111 on October 04, 2013, 09:45:55 AM
My hands are on the bigger side.. and are a little manly, but the HRT has made the skin softer and shiny so they do have a feminine look to the them

Honey with those nice legs, no-one will be looking at your hands!  ;D

Quote from: Shantel on October 04, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
Honey with those nice legs, no-one will be looking at your hands!  ;D

That is what I was thinking. xD
Those legs are amazing. However, I just watched an interesting video last night about bioprinting.  The person said possibly within a decade they'll be able to literally print body parts onto your body like an ink printer.  So, don't fret too much!  What's unchange-able now in a few decades might be change-able in the future!  For a fair price I'm sure.

I got:
3.2
7.2
7.3
I always thought my hands were enormous, but I guess not. Today at school I was getting a manicure from a girl who is about my height and build and I was checking her hands out as she was doing it. They were pretty much the same size and mine. Then I looked at a guy who is a few inches shorter than me and his hands looked huge compared to mine.

Quote from: michelle666 on October 04, 2013, 05:31:56 PM
I got:
3.2
7.2
7.3
I always thought my hands were enormous, but I guess not. Today at school I was getting a manicure from a girl who is about my height and build and I was checking her hands out as she was doing it. They were pretty much the same size and mine. Then I looked at a guy who is a few inches shorter than me and his hands looked huge compared to mine.

With muscle loss and skin thinning, you have to consider how those will change them!  HRT definitely helps a lil bit.

Quote from: Nidalexi on October 03, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
That's odd, I never noticed that about the elbows.  My elbows bend my forearm out to about a 45 degree angle from my thighs, I have to strain a little to touch my thighs.  I think that's inaccurate? But definitely interesting.

I never noticed that either. I just read that old thread and when I put my arms straight down with my palms facing forwards, I couldn't touch my thigh, my stick out at an angle.

 I also read that men's elbows don't bend backwards when you straighten your arm all the way, but mine do quite a bit.

Mine touch my thighs if I do that.

Quote from: RavenMoon on October 04, 2013, 05:52:24 PM
I also read that men's elbows don't bend backwards when you straighten your arm all the way, but mine do quite a bit.

Don't frequently, but I think it can happen.

My hand size are definitely mid-male/xl female.

Other than my flat, rangeless voice, my most masculine feature.  It is quite upsetting.

If I don't have to speak or show my hands, I think I could pass most of the time.

I deffintely have feminine proportioned hands (and feet too) even though I don't have anything on hand to do the measurements with. So even though I have relativly large hands they don't look like due to the proportions. I actually ended up buying the wrong size of gloves a couple of times because I thought my hands were smaller than they actually were.

Hand size for born males can be dramatically different depending on what kind of work and torture the hands have been submitted to. I was in construction most of my working life and early on was something of a brawler, so aside from the usual square palms they are scarred and now arthritic looking.

There are those who were office professionals whose hands still look almost effeminate and pretty from very little abuse.

We don't get any do-overs, so we need to make the best of other assets to draw onlooker attention away from less than attractive hands and feet.

Quote from: Shantel on October 06, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
Hand size for born males can be dramatically different depending on what kind of work and torture the hands have been submitted to. I was in construction most of my working life and early on was something of a brawler, so aside from the usual square palms they are scarred and now arthritic looking.

There are those who were office professionals whose hands still look almost effeminate and pretty from very little abuse.

We don't get any do-overs, so we need to make the best of other assets to draw onlooker attention away from less than attractive hands and feet.

I've worked in an office for a long time and before that I worked as a caregiver for people with cerebral palsy and autism. My hands look better than my girlfriends, who does manual labor on a farm.

Here's my measurements
3.1 width
7.1 length
7.2 circumference

Here's a pick of my hand
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Quote from: ZoeM on April 21, 2013, 09:04:56 AM
So, I just measured all my hand measurements using this:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Ff%2Ffc%2FHandAnthropometry.JPG&hash=04ac3c14dcf6947635c0ddfcf6f119bc8fa3af93)

I have girl hands. :)
3" width, 6.8" circumference, and 7" length.

I'm not sure if this is liable to be trigger-ish, so... feel free to post your measurements. Or not.

About 2.8 and 6.5 for me. 

Quote from: Nidalexi on October 04, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
Don't frequently, but I think it can happen.

Ya'll are confusing hyper-extendable elbows with the 'carry-angle' on the arm. Carry angle is a pretty good indicator of natal sex and is determined by the angle of the upper arm to the lower arm on the outside of the elbow joint. It's also damned hard to determine without a really good instrument and very little arm muscle. GG carry angle is typically about 165º where GM angle is around 173º.

Hyper-extendable elbows are just double jointed elbows and they bend backwards a good bit. They happen in either sex but are more common in females.

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on October 07, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Ya'll are confusing hyper-extendable elbows with the 'carry-angle' on the arm. Carry angle is a pretty good indicator of natal sex and is determined by the angle of the upper arm to the lower arm on the outside of the elbow joint. It's also damned hard to determine without a really good instrument and very little arm muscle. GG carry angle is typically about 165º where GM angle is around 173º.

Hyper-extendable elbows are just double jointed elbows and they bend backwards a good bit. They happen in either sex but are more common in females.

I wasn't.  Hyper extension is significantly different, also determined significantly different and far more noticeable to a naked eye.

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on October 07, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Hyper-extendable elbows are just double jointed elbows and they bend backwards a good bit. They happen in either sex but are more common in females.

My mother was very double jointed. She could wrap her legs around her neck.  I was quite a bit more flexible when I was younger, but not as much as she was.

I based the non backwards bending elbow on this:

https://www.susans.org/wiki/Walk_like_a_woman_(How_to)

"Ask a woman to stretch her arm out. It will bend slightly backwards at the elbow. Males can't do this."

But apparently some males can. ;)

And yes, the "carrying angle" of the elbow is normally 5-15 degrees away from the body so your forearms to clear the hips when swinging your arms. And obviously cis females have wider hips than males.

B: 3.0
L: 7.75
C: 8.0

  I don't know what to make of this.  Going on visual alone my palms are too big and make my hands look large on my skinny arms despite slender fingers.  That's how it looks to me anyway.

Carrying angle:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fscaled%2Flanding%2F202%2Fe31u.jpg&hash=ec6a16ffff7c226ee41007134bfec30ff0e971c6)
Sorry it's upside down. Not sure what broke there. >_>


I have to say, though, I'm lucky I have this. Otherwise I'd be whacking my hips every step.

It's fascinating how different everyone's body is!
This is my right arm relaxed with the palm facing forward. It clears my body by about an inch. This is something I never noticed before. Maybe I have small hips? Come to think of it, I always did hit my arms on my body!

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fcarrying_angle.jpg&hash=d2fdad818b82041d39148ca24fe8145eb934531d)

OK, this is the dumb day for me. Can anybody please explain this in simple human language? :). If I let my arms fall down along my body, relax them and turn the palms forward and then there is a gap between my hips and small fingers - but I can still bend them (fingers) in to touch my hips? What kind of angle I have? Is it the female one (I had never been accused of throwing like a girl, btw :P )?

Argh... what have I done?!

Okay, peeps. Forget I ever said anything about carry angle. Learn to accept yourself and accept your body as much as you can aside from what you will change via surgery as determined between yourself and your therapist. This stuff can and will drive you batty if you keep obsessing over it.

The reason that everyone got all weird about the digit ratio before is because these topics, while kinda fun for a while, are complete red-herrings. Yes, some of your traits may line up with a GG. A goodly number won't unless you've been on HRT since age 11. Unless you're a licensed orthopedic specialist who's trained in the science of determining sex through physical morphology, you're probably doing the measurements wrong, don't know what anything means, and just kinda wasting your time with these silly little personal observations which, at the root of it, simply seek to find external validation of the nature of being trans and/or having a trans body. I'm sorry to say that I've already been here and done this with everything that I had during the first six months of my transition. Y'know what I found out? I've got some bits that align, some that don't, and none of it matters a whit so long as I know inside my soul who I am and what I'm about.

My sincere apologies to adding fuel to this silly fire.

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on October 07, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
Argh... what have I done?!

Okay, peeps. Forget I ever said anything about carry angle. Learn to accept yourself and accept your body as much as you can aside from what you will change via surgery as determined between yourself and your therapist. This stuff can and will drive you batty if you keep obsessing over it.

The reason that everyone got all weird about the digit ratio before is because these topics, while kinda fun for a while, are complete red-herrings. Yes, some of your traits may line up with a GG. A goodly number won't unless you've been on HRT since age 11. Unless you're a licensed orthopedic specialist who's trained in the science of determining sex through physical morphology, you're probably doing the measurements wrong, don't know what anything means, and just kinda wasting your time with these silly little personal observations which, at the root of it, simply seek to find external validation of the nature of being trans and/or having a trans body. I'm sorry to say that I've already been here and done this with everything that I had during the first six months of my transition. Y'know what I found out? I've got some bits that align, some that don't, and none of it matters a whit so long as I know inside my soul who I am and what I'm about.

My sincere apologies to adding fuel to this silly fire.

I think most of us are just comparing things in good fun. I know I am at least.

Well I know for a fact i have teeny tiny hands, to the point where people used to make fun of me for it. I kinda feel like that guy with the tiny hands from that Burger King Commercial. Although the fingers are not slim. However i feel this is a boon for when i finally fully transition, and all those times i was made fun of will let me become what I want to be.

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on October 07, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
Argh... what have I done?!

Okay, peeps. Forget I ever said anything about carry angle. Learn to accept yourself and accept your body as much as you can aside from what you will change via surgery as determined between yourself and your therapist. This stuff can and will drive you batty if you keep obsessing over it.

The reason that everyone got all weird about the digit ratio before is because these topics, while kinda fun for a while, are complete red-herrings. Yes, some of your traits may line up with a GG. A goodly number won't unless you've been on HRT since age 11. Unless you're a licensed orthopedic specialist who's trained in the science of determining sex through physical morphology, you're probably doing the measurements wrong, don't know what anything means, and just kinda wasting your time with these silly little personal observations which, at the root of it, simply seek to find external validation of the nature of being trans and/or having a trans body. I'm sorry to say that I've already been here and done this with everything that I had during the first six months of my transition. Y'know what I found out? I've got some bits that align, some that don't, and none of it matters a whit so long as I know inside my soul who I am and what I'm about.

My sincere apologies to adding fuel to this silly fire.

Just answer me! I MUST KNOW!

:) Your post made me laugh :)

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on October 07, 2013, 01:51:14 PMY'know what I found out? I've got some bits that align, some that don't, and none of it matters a whit so long as I know inside my soul who I am and what I'm about.

I think this is true of everyone, and I thought it was kind of fun. :)