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I've been messing around with a homemade touch-transfer / haptic feedback mechanism for hard packers and strap-ons, and would love to get people's opinions and know if anyone has run across something like this on the market.  It has multiple touch points embedded in the head and shaft, so that types of pressure that aren't felt as precisely with a regular strap-on, like squeezing the head for instance, transfer down to analagous pressure points on or around the clit.

I have a semi-functional one right now made from bicycle brake wiring embedded in a hollow rubber dildo (with soft caps on the clit end of course).  My guess is the sensation isn't that similar to having an actual penis.  But there's definiely a "wow" factor in watching the head and shaft be touched and actually feeling...well, something.

So my questions for you all are:

Have any of you seen something like this on the market, either a penis or any other kind of prosthetic with that type of touch feedback?  No point in reinventing the wheel if this already exists.  I've read some science articles on touch feedback with prosthetic limbs, but never with technology that could be duplicated in a strap-on.

If something like this made it to market, would any of you be interested in trying it - is the idea at all appealing?  What factors would be important to you in terms of enjoying one - would it have to look very realistic, or have certain other features?  One of my concerns already is how to get one design to feel right/good for people with a variety of shapes and sizes in the genital area.  It might have to be adjustable in some way on the receiving end.

And finally: I'd appreciate advice on materials or design strategies that I should look into.  I like tinkering with this kind of thing, but I don't have any formal education in engineering or materials.  My main qualifications here are free time and enthusiasm, but at the moment I have a lot of both.  It'd be fun to partner with someone on this project if anyone's interested.

There was that one company that made a dildo where you could apply suction to the head, and it could be felt around the "clitoris".  I don't think it worked out very well for the company, as they stopped producing these a few years back, but it did generate a lot of buzz:

http://www.heyepiphora.com/2009/06/review-mr-man/ (http://www.heyepiphora.com/2009/06/review-mr-man/)
http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-toy-reviews/dildos/for-serious-suckjobs#pcode-3AB (http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-toy-reviews/dildos/for-serious-suckjobs#pcode-3AB)

A few folks have tried penetrating with a pumping cylinder attached to them, and the idea of slipping a hollowed out Mr. Limpy over that can't have been too far behind, but I've never seen it tried.  I was going to attempt something similar myself until I tried pumping for the first time and figured it'd be too difficult and uncomfortable.

But what YOU'RE doing.  Oh man, that is on an entirely new and different level.  Are you talking about something like e-stim, or something different? 

I'd be interested if the penis was realistic enough. 

If you managed to pull this off, I would definitely be interested! Personally, I think the stimulation not being exact to what you'd feel on a 'real' penis is not a big issue. I would be more concerned with actually being able to feel any kind of touch transmission; how exact that feeling is to the real thing wouldn't matter a great deal to me.

I actually get this sensation. Not sure why, maybe just sensitive. I could actually tell what side and so on it's touched in and I don't know if it's a bit of phantom "pain" sensation or what. I know this isn't what you are talking about. But just shows there are nerve endings there that are potentially wired to do this. I know of several people who say this for attached prosthetics.

They are actually working with this for artificial limbs:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/new-neural-interfaces-can-bring-electric-feel-artifical-limbs (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/new-neural-interfaces-can-bring-electric-feel-artifical-limbs)
I'd have to work hard to understand this but you seem like a very sharp lad.

If I understand correctly your idea is a bit more mechanical, but you are essentially doing a bit of a "nervous system" wiring with the bicycle cable?

I know someone who is working on a pretty realistic prosthetic, perhaps you'd like to connect up?
You can PM me, and I could perhaps connect you.


--Jay

This sounds like the best thing ever.

Yeah, it sounds awesome! I've wished for years that something like this existed.

The only thing I can think of that's remotely similar is that there is a device for the blind that allows them to "see" using neural stimulation on the tongue (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=device-lets-blind-see-with-tongues). You put this flat thing on your tongue, which is connected to a camera. The visual input is translated into touch information, and the brain eventually figures out how to "see" using that input.

Theoretically, your idea should be easier to implement than that, since you don't even have to translate to a different sensory signal--it's all somatosensation.

Sounds pretty trill/amazing! If you could pull this off and make it feel pleasurable in anyway I'd buy. Especially if it could be made into a realistic dildo or a attachable prosthetic I'd buy it. Keep doing what your doing. 

Thanks for the responses!  I hadn't seen that suction dildo before; that's awesome.  I'd seen the science articles on the prosthetics and the device for the blind, but it's nice to have the reminder that that stuff is out there.

Here are some photos to show exactly how it works.

This is a combination of a few photos.  The first three show one piece of brake wiring, so one touch point.  There's a smaller 'core' wire inside of a larger, hollow 'sheath' wire, and the core wire can slide in and out of the sheath freely.  The fourth photo shows the end of it embedded into a rubber dildo.  It's translucent, so you can kind of see it in there. 
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi407.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp155%2FDanaRSullivan%2Ftouch-transfer.jpg&hash=52dfea9a48c71674501b25a08d921eac578a31c3)

The pink cap there is attached to the core wire, and the sheath is held in place at the base of the dildo.  The result is that when you press on the part where that pink cap is, the core wire moves out at the other end.  The receiving end has a soft cap on it.  Like this:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi407.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp155%2FDanaRSullivan%2FIMG_0813.jpg&hash=1ac4d5b60ea7c05a94777c5b8f776539be81e9dc)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi407.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp155%2FDanaRSullivan%2FIMG_0814.jpg&hash=223686d600008ba9aea8e34624290967443a2437)

For actually testing it, I put four of those wires into it and placed the cap ends on places that made sense to me - right around the clitoris for touch points on the head of the dildo, and further down for the shaft.  It's a little awkward to use, and I can't say I break it out all the time for sexcapades, but it's a very interesting experience.  It feels more like an extension of my body than a regular strap-on does.

Quote from: aleon515 on May 12, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
I actually get this sensation. Not sure why, maybe just sensitive. I could actually tell what side and so on it's touched in and I don't know if it's a bit of phantom "pain" sensation or what. I know this isn't what you are talking about. But just shows there are nerve endings there that are potentially wired to do this. I know of several people who say this for attached prosthetics.

I get this sometimes with a strap-on/packer, and for me I think it comes from the vibrations.  I can feel the rubbing or tapping vibrations moving down into the base.  It's kind of a vague sensation, though.  I was thinking of trying to manipulate that in some way instead of the wiring, but it hasn't worked out so far.

Quote from: aleon515 on May 12, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
I know someone who is working on a pretty realistic prosthetic, perhaps you'd like to connect up?
You can PM me, and I could perhaps connect you.

--Jay

That would be great!  Thank you very much.  I think some more trial and error is required before I really get it off the ground, but I'd love to see it made into an actual product.  I'm also trying a version with water displacement instead of wires, but that'll be more complicated to make at home.

I just tried a water displacement idea based on the DIY FTM fleshlight instructions, and it seems to work pretty well, especially for us kids with limited "growth"/who aren't on T.

So, instead of using your medicine spoon to cup the area where your urethra is, you can use it to cup your clitoris*.  And if you fill your medicine spoon with warm water or gel and something to cause friction like beads, then cover the cup part with a lubed condom...bam!  You slide your packer over it, and every time you shift the packer, you can feel the friction on your bits.  Now imagine for a second that you had a squishy medicine spoon, just rigid enough to make the packer erect, but still squeezable...every time you squeezed the tube part of the spoon through the shaft, you'd feel it against your anatomy.  I'm thinking something like a Mr. Fenis, but plugged up so it can hold water, but with a very rigid cup to hold everything tight up against you...

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2kgefa.png&hash=cd1d7f8a37650e1fc90914967b2c2db6b81d4348)

It shouldn't be that hard at all, I don't think.



Any thoughts, guys ? :)

sounds pretty good shove it on the bio man put it in a realistic dildo and yep sounds good...let me know how that works out for you, I'm working on my project too, maybe we could all jam our ideas together one day.

Quote from: Nowhereboi on May 27, 2013, 03:45:46 AM
I just tried a water displacement idea based on the DIY FTM fleshlight instructions, and it seems to work pretty well, especially for us kids with limited "growth"/who aren't on T.

So, instead of using your medicine spoon to cup the area where your urethra is, you can use it to cup your clitoris*.  And if you fill your medicine spoon with warm water or gel and something to cause friction like beads, then cover the cup part with a lubed condom...bam!  You slide your packer over it, and every time you shift the packer, you can feel the friction on your bits.  Now imagine for a second that you had a squishy medicine spoon, just rigid enough to make the packer erect, but still squeezable...every time you squeezed the tube part of the spoon through the shaft, you'd feel it against your anatomy.  I'm thinking something like a Mr. Fenis, but plugged up so it can hold water, but with a very rigid cup to hold everything tight up against you...

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2kgefa.png&hash=cd1d7f8a37650e1fc90914967b2c2db6b81d4348)

It shouldn't be that hard at all, I don't think.



Any thoughts, guys ? :)

That is really cool.  I'd never heard of the FTM fleshlight before this, either...just looked it up and it is really interesting, too.  I might try building your design, and if I do I'll definitely post photos here.  If you beat me to it, mind posting some photos?

Quote from: Dark.Knight on May 27, 2013, 12:55:44 PM
sounds pretty good shove it on the bio man put it in a realistic dildo and yep sounds good...let me know how that works out for you, I'm working on my project too, maybe we could all jam our ideas together one day.

Definitely, I really like the idea of collaborating on something like this.

Quote from: DanaRSS on May 27, 2013, 06:26:12 PM
That is really cool.  I'd never heard of the FTM fleshlight before this, either...just looked it up and it is really interesting, too.  I might try building your design, and if I do I'll definitely post photos here.  If you beat me to it, mind posting some photos?

Well except for the diy version, which involves a condom and half bottle of water.


--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on May 28, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Well except for the diy version, which involves a condom and half bottle of water.


--Jay

That's the one I'm drawing upon here :)

Mainly, because I have, like, 0 growth and it doesn't work as well for me.  And I like the idea of having the whole system inside of a packer...

Quote from: Nowhereboi on May 28, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
That's the one I'm drawing upon here :)

Mainly, because I have, like, 0 growth and it doesn't work as well for me.  And I like the idea of having the whole system inside of a packer...

Yeah I like that too.

--Jay