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I thought that reading everyone's experiences of their SRS would help me decide which surgeon to go to. But, it feels like the more I know, the more I know that I don't know.

As I've said in another thread, I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I've got to have SRS before the end of this year, but the decision actually seems to be getting harder. I've almost made up my mind to play it safe and go local in the UK and miss out on all the finer cosmetic details for an easier healing process, possibly.

So the question is, if someone had a chance to have SRS again, would they stay with the same surgeon or would they switch to a different one? Putting the question another way, who would be your second choice if the first became unavailable to you?

I'm gonna follow this thread :)

I went to pichet and I know two other girls that were there with me and they had good results from what they say. One has been having sex and ones a lesbian. And as far as me. Looks good and everything down there feels so good haha. I give my surgeon a 8.5 on my surgery out of 10. I took points off because when stuck the dilator in me the first time he was so rough. Plus I didn't have much fun in Thailand

I would do it all again the same in a heartbeat. (But I'm NOT saying other surgeons are bad/worse/a poor choice! There's no way for me to know that *without* doing it again. :))

I used Brassard, and his aftercare residence was fantastic and gave me so much peace of mind. Almost a year later and I'm cosmetically perfect, totally sensate, 5.5" of depth and can use the 1.5" diameter dilator with no problems. As far as I'm concerned, that's everything I wanted - and again, probably would have gotten from any of the top tier surgeons.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 27, 2013, 05:41:11 PM
I would do it all again the same in a heartbeat. (But I'm NOT saying other surgeons are bad/worse/a poor choice! There's no way for me to know that *without* doing it again. :))

I used Brassard, and his aftercare residence was fantastic and gave me so much peace of mind. Almost a year later and I'm cosmetically perfect, totally sensate, 5.5" of depth and can use the 1.5" diameter dilator with no problems. As far as I'm concerned, that's everything I wanted - and again, probably would have gotten from any of the top tier surgeons.

Cosmetically perfect is all I read. I'll have one of those, please. So it's possible to have a very good cosmetic outcome with a penile inversion? If you don't mind, why did you choose Brassard over others?

Brassard was one of my choices. I didn't go to him because of depth. He usually gets 5,5" of depth. I am a size queen LOL. Everything else about his work can't get any better.
My other option was Suporn. I was determined to get the surgery by him until I met him and his stuff. They were all with fake smiles, pretending like they are the best on earth, and after all they only wanted my money. So this was a big no to me... After several months I learned about Suporn's buried secret.  I used to have a big penis and I am glad I never went with Suporn.
I decided to have my surgery with Chettawut because he is very honest, he said that there is no guarantee for anything and his point was not to sell his technique but to explain it and let me decide. He is consistently getting great sensations and cosmetics, and most of the times a decent depth. I never regretted my choice and if I had the chance again I would go to Chettawut. I really don't know what would my result be like if I went to another doctor but I got everything I ever hoped for from my SRS with Chettawut.

I am following your thread :)

Quote from: Tristan on May 27, 2013, 05:19:51 PM
I went to pichet and I know two other girls that were there with me and they had good results from what they say. One has been having sex and ones a lesbian. And as far as me. Looks good and everything down there feels so good haha. I give my surgeon a 8.5 on my surgery out of 10. I took points off because when stuck the dilator in me the first time he was so rough. Plus I didn't have much fun in Thailand

So you had a rough defloration:)))
into rough things from the very first time :)))

I also need to follow this

I need to find one but with it so expensive I may die before I get this much

Nicolette - I primarily chose him because of that aftercare, honestly. For me distance and price were equivalent for him and McGinn and Rumer, but I liked the peace of mind of 24/7 nursing care for a week after.

And yes, I know quite a few women who had cosmetically excellent results from penile inversion. I was examined at 4 months post-op by a doctor who said the only way he could tell the difference was the ring of scar tissue at the entrance and that that will fade with time (which it has). Without a speculum, it's pretty hard to tell me apart from someone born with a vulva and vagina, now that the external scars have also faded and been covered with hair.

Brassard is fairly up-front that he only does 5.5" of depth, and anything "extra" after that he uses to improve the cosmetic outcome. I'm OK with that because I'm married to a woman, and comfortable with the idea that most penises don't get more than 5" in anyway, but I totally understand that depth is a concern for a lot of people. I cared more about sensitivity and looks, in that order.

(As for sensitivity, I was orgasmic in my sleep at 3 weeks post-op and managed it awake a couple months later, when I was sure I wouldn't break anything. I'm also self-lubricating.)

Quote from: Nicolette on May 27, 2013, 05:09:26 PM
........ I've got to have SRS before the end of this year,

Can't help wondering the surgery has to be done this year. Would you mind explaining?

QuoteSo the question is, if someone had a chance to have SRS again, would they stay with the same surgeon or would they switch to a different one?

I would definately go back to where my op was done with the same surgeon.

I really appreciated the nursing care I got in the week, or so, spent in hospital recovering. Which was S.O.P. with him

The determining factor in whom was my surgoen was how much trouble it would be to get back to the surgeon if something went wrong.

It did not, but I didn't want to be in trouble/pain and have to cross oceans to get back to the surgeon.

Yes my first time in was very uncomfortable and it did hurt but I got use to it and now it's fun. I agree with the others. I have no idea how other surgeons results turned out for them but I have to say at this moment I do not regret srs

I went to Preecha (PAI) in 2010. I have  a minor cosmetic problem with a little excess skin that I may or may not have resolved in the future, it really doesn't bother me that much. I have around 6 1/2 inches of depth and sensitivity is great. His clinic now uses a scrotal graft technique which he still describes as inversion in that that have to partly invert the penis no matter what graft material is used, even if its the colon. Therefore the non inversion claims by others are a little exaggerated. I'm from the UK and to be honest I would look elsewhere for surgery unless you intend to use the NHS. The major Thai surgeons currently use all of the glans tissue to maximise the sensitivity of the floor of the vulva. Most other surgeons dispose of everything other that the pedicle that they intend to use for the clitoris. the use of penile skin to form the labia minora also has a more natural look. On the downside, I was hypersensitive for about 6 weeks or so after surgery and that was very uncomfortable.

Quote from: swan on May 27, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Brassard was one of my choices. I didn't go to him because of depth. He usually gets 5,5" of depth. I am a size queen LOL. Everything else about his work can't get any better.
My other option was Suporn. I was determined to get the surgery by him until I met him and his stuff. They were all with fake smiles, pretending like they are the best on earth, and after all they only wanted my money. So this was a big no to me... After several months I learned about Suporn's buried secret.  I used to have a big penis and I am glad I never went with Suporn.
I decided to have my surgery with Chettawut because he is very honest, he said that there is no guarantee for anything and his point was not to sell his technique but to explain it and let me decide. He is consistently getting great sensations and cosmetics, and most of the times a decent depth. I never regretted my choice and if I had the chance again I would go to Chettawut. I really don't know what would my result be like if I went to another doctor but I got everything I ever hoped for from my SRS with Chettawut.

I am following your thread :)

I wonder if the usually 5.5" with Brassard includes circumcised North Americans. I'd be happy with 5". I've ruled out Supporn because of circumcision. My gender therapist has advised against Chettawut. Yes, it's doing my head in as I had him high on my list. But you've had no issues with healing and are extremely pleased with the results.

Quote from: bunyip on May 27, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
Can't help wondering the surgery has to be done this year. Would you mind explaining?

Many things are coming to a head, work, social, family and mental wellbeing.

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The determining factor in whom was my surgeon was how much trouble it would be to get back to the surgeon if something went wrong.

It did not, but I didn't want to be in trouble/pain and have to cross oceans to get back to the surgeon.

Exactly. This is my dilemma and why I want to believe in the expertise of the surgeons in my country.

Quote from: Tristan on May 27, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Yes my first time in was very uncomfortable and it did hurt but I got use to it and now it's fun. I agree with the others. I have no idea how other surgeons results turned out for them but I have to say at this moment I do not regret srs

I wish I could be where you're at. Sometimes, I don't think I ever will be. It seems your healing was smooth sailing. I'm very happy for you, if not a little jealous.

Quote from: Susan T on May 28, 2013, 02:07:32 AM
I went to Preecha (PAI) in 2010. I have a couple a minor cosmetic problem with a little excess skin that I may or may not have resolved in the future, it really doesn't bother me that much. I have around 6 1/2 inches of depth and sensitivity is great. His clinic now uses a scrotal graft technique which he still describes as inversion in that that have to partly invert the penis no matter what graft material is used, even if its the colon. Therefore the non inversion claims by others are a little exaggerated. I'm from the UK and to be honest I would look elsewhere for surgery unless you intend to use the NHS. The major Thai surgeons currently use all of the glans tissue to maximise the sensitivity of the floor of the vulva. Most other surgeons dispose of everything other that the pedicle that they intend to use for the clitoris. the use of penile ski to form the labia minora also has a more natural look. On the downside, I was hypersensitive for about 6 weeks or so after surgery and that was very uncomfortable.

Thanks for this reply. I will look into Preecha.

I'd like you know why surgeons in the UK get such a bad rap. Is there something my gender specialist is not telling me? I wouldn't ever allow the NHS to have control over my life. I'm a private patient. If I go to a UK surgeon, it'll be out of my own pocket. If you'd prefer, you can PM me, but I'd be ever so grateful if you could enlighten me on the situation in the UK. Information seems to be dearly lacking. I am however having a consultation with one of the surgeons here in a month or two. So I need to be ready with questions.

Quote from: Susan T on May 28, 2013, 02:07:32 AM
I went to Preecha (PAI) in 2010. I have a couple a minor cosmetic problem with a little excess skin that I may or may not have resolved in the future, it really doesn't bother me that much. I have around 6 1/2 inches of depth and sensitivity is great. His clinic now uses a scrotal graft technique which he still describes as inversion in that that have to partly invert the penis no matter what graft material is used, even if its the colon. Therefore the non inversion claims by others are a little exaggerated. I'm from the UK and to be honest I would look elsewhere for surgery unless you intend to use the NHS. The major Thai surgeons currently use all of the glans tissue to maximise the sensitivity of the floor of the vulva. Most other surgeons dispose of everything other that the pedicle that they intend to use for the clitoris. the use of penile ski to form the labia minora also has a more natural look. On the downside, I was hypersensitive for about 6 weeks or so after surgery and that was very uncomfortable.

Yeah I know what you mean about the sensation. Mine came back around week 4 and scared the crap out of me at first until I realized what it was. I also agree on the going to Thailand unless your planning on using the NHS. It is good to have that option though

In the UK there are only 2 surgeons who carry out SRS on a regular basis and then its probably a maximum of 2 a week. Their techniques are far from the cutting edge and are either straight penile inversion or peno-scrtotal flap not a scrotal graft. Neither technique allows for enough skin to fashion much in the way of labia minora. I know that Thomas quotes an average width of 4-5 mm for the inner labia with an average vaginal depth of 4 1/2 inches. The external elements are fashioned from from hair bearing scrotal tissue (as is 50% of the vaginal cavity if you have the peno-scrotal flap) so extensive electrolysis is often required. Sensitivity is also an issue and the UK has a lower rate of success when it comes to preserving this.

Contrast this against the experience of major Thai surgeons who carry out one or more surgeries evrey day. Their technique has developed considerably over the last 10 or so years and certainly where I went they claim to have a 98% success rate in terms of sensitivity (Suporn claims 100%, but then he would wouldn't he). I know the arguments against scrotal grafts and in the UK Richard Curtis is vehemently opposed to them. However, where a scraped full thickness graft is used the chance of it taking successfully is excellent. In act I dont know of anybody who has experienced a failure. Problems arise when the graft is compromised by forming it into a mesh in order to squeeze an extra couple of inches from it. Even then there can't be too many failures otherwise Suporn would not have the reputation that he has.

Quote from: Tristan on May 28, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
Yeah I know what you mean about the sensation. Mine came back around week 4 and scared the crap out of me at first until I realized what it was. I also agree on the going to Thailand unless your planning on using the NHS. It is good to have that option though

Tristan, I was hypersensitive almost from day one. Like you i didn't realise what it was until in of the nurses touched the upper part of the outer labia during my first trip back to the clinic and I almost jumped out of my seat (everything at the top end was stitched together at that stage). The nurse then did it again to observe my reaction before she told me the cause.

Quote from: bunyip on May 27, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
I would definately go back to where my op was done with the same surgeon.

I really appreciated the nursing care I got in the week, or so, spent in hospital recovering. Which was S.O.P. with him

The determining factor in whom was my surgoen was how much trouble it would be to get back to the surgeon if something went wrong.

It did not, but I didn't want to be in trouble/pain and have to cross oceans to get back to the surgeon.

Hi Bunyip,

By your name I'm guessing you are Australian which means you went to either Sydney or Melbourne for your operation. I am seriously considering approaching Peter Haertsch for GRS for very similar reason you have given. I have family and friends in Sydney and I worry about being by myself in Thailand while I recover. If my guesses are right I would really like to hear your reply.

Quote from: Susan T on May 28, 2013, 07:05:43 AM
In the UK there are only 2 surgeons who carry out SRS on a regular basis and then its probably a maximum of 2 a week. Their techniques are far from the cutting edge and are either straight penile inversion or peno-scrtotal flap not a scrotal graft. Neither technique allows for enough skin to fashion much in the way of labia minora. I know that Thomas quotes an average width of 4-5 mm for this with an average depth of 4 1/2 inches. The external elements are fashioned from from hair bearing scrotal tissue (as is 50% of the vaginal cavity if you have the peno-scrotal flap) so extensive electrolysis is often required. Sensitivity is also an issue and the UK has a lower rate of success when it comes to preserving this.

Contrast this against the experience of major Thai surgeons who carry out one or more surgeries a day. Their technique has developed considerably over the last 10 or so years and certainly where I went they claim to have a 98% success rate in terms of sensitivity (Suporn claims 100%, but then he would wouldn't he). I know the arguments against scrotal grafts and in the UK in particular by Richard Curtis who is vehemently opposed to them. However, where a scraped full thickness graft is used the chance of it taking successfully is excellent. In act I dont know of anybody who has experienced a failure. Problems arise when the graft is compromised by forming it into a mesh in order to squeeze an extra couple of inches from it. Even then there can't be too many failures otherwise Suporn would not have the reputation that he has.

Thank you so much for going into such detail. I'll put Preecha on my list. If I go to Thailand, or abroad anywhere, I'll need to work out how this can be done logistically. I'm not permitted to have such major surgery on my own, but nor would I want to. Because of this, it'll taking some planning. How did Richard Curtis feel about Preecha?

He was fairly positive. He is very pro the UK surgeons though. As I have said elsewhere on the forum, my original choice was Chet But he was very anti and that really did turn me off. One of my reasons for going to Preecha was that according to his web site I could be back in the UK 2 weeks after surgery. I was going alone I was having the work done during the long school summer holidays. I wanted to be back at work at the start of the new term without having time off. I managed to keep to that timetable but in hind site I was over optimistic and I could really have done with spending a little more time in Thailand and having the first few weeks of term off of work.

(Yes, Brassard works routinely with circumcised people. I was, and there was no problem whatsoever; same for 11 of the other 12 women I spoke to in the residence. [the 12th needed a skin graft, but was warned in advance that she would. and she wasn't merely circumcised but *really* tiny, she said.])

Ok, I am a 19 week Dr. Bowers girl, and there is absolutely NO reason for me to ever go back for anything other than a social visit or to accompany another girl. (Which I would do without hesitation.)  My vagina is a combo penile and scrotal flap job, and labia minora came from the penile shaft urethral lining which is a mucous tissue and I do have a degree of self lubrication. Dr. Bowers uses a single surgery technique so the labia minora are there from the beginning.  I have had a VERY easy healing time from what I read here and elsewhere, even though I did pick up a perfectly common yeast infection after I left the hospital. 

My gynecologist who treated the yeastie beasties can only see some very fine scar lines inside my vagina now, and the entire vulva looks similar to the ones my gyno sees on her Cis patients who are my age.  Circumcision was NOT an issue, nor was my age (65) or medical issues (diabetes and ferro-hemochromatosis).  Pain medication was conservative but prompt and adequate while in the hospital, and I left the hospital with no restrictions on physical exercise other than what a catheter bag can do to you.

My dilation regimen is light compared to other girls, but I have 6+ depth to outer labia and easily use my 1 3/8" dilator in comfort at a little over a month post op. None of my potential boy friends will have a bit of trouble, at their age, thats to be expected though.

Quote from: Vicky on May 29, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Ok, I am a 19 week Dr. Bowers girl, and there is absolutely NO reason for me to ever go back for anything other than a social visit or to accompany another girl. (Which I would do without hesitation.)  My vagina is a combo penile and scrotal flap job.............

.........My dilation regimen is light compared to other girls, but I have 6+ depth to outer labia and easily use my 1 3/8" dilator in comfort at a little over a month post op. None of my potential boy friends will have a bit of trouble, at their age, thats to be expected though...........

Marcie Bowers uses a scrotal graft to extend the vaginal lining and not a scrotal flap. Skin flaps maintain their original blood supply and so in theory have less chance of failure. However, this also means that they can't be places at the distal end of a penile inversion in order to extend it.

I'm glad that your surgery went well Marcie Bowers has a good reputation. A month is a little early for the final result to be seen though. In a year it will probably look quite different.You may find that as the swelling goes down completely you lose some apparent depth or you may also find that like in may case a little excess skin becomes evident. Hopefully it will simply look even better.

Quote from: Susan T on May 28, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
He was fairly positive. He is very pro the UK surgeons though. As I have said elsewhere on the forum, my original choice was Chet But he was very anti and that really did turn me off. One of my reasons for going to Preecha was that according to his web site I could be back in the UK 2 weeks after surgery. I was going alone I was having the work done during the long school summer holidays. I wanted to be back at work at the start of the new term without having time off. I managed to keep to that timetable but in hind site I was over optimistic and I could really have done with spending a little more time in Thailand and having the first few weeks of term off of work.

He was positive about a non-UK surgeon? That's not like him.

It gets rather difficult if I'm away for more than a couple of weeks. My mother would come with me. But she's not the type to lay about. She'd go insane with boredom. I'd need to find her a way of killing time.

I wonder what the journey back to the UK by plane was like for you. Was it just about tolerable?

I've looked at Preecha's website. I don't see any prices. I'd be so grateful if you had an around about figure to hand? It says penile inversion with scrotal graft. Is this a different type of technique to standard inversion?

Going abroad for major surgery is not optimal, but it may be doable. I have a ball and chain of responsibilities which makes it difficult.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 28, 2013, 05:05:32 PM
(Yes, Brassard works routinely with circumcised people. I was, and there was no problem whatsoever; same for 11 of the other 12 women I spoke to in the residence. [the 12th needed a skin graft, but was warned in advance that she would. and she wasn't merely circumcised but *really* tiny, she said.])

Brassard seems to be an all round good choice. Were there any language barrier difficulties? Canada is closer than Thailand and the flight time is half. The only major issue is waiting lists. I hear he has a very long one. Perhaps up to 18 months.

Nicolette - The language barrier was definitely an issue. More annoying than serious, but while it's true that most of Montreal is bilingual, the area around the clinic/hospital is pretty heavily French-speaking. A couple nurses were also not very good in English, but nothing medical was miscommunicated in the end (it just involved a bit more back and forth and restating things than I'd have liked while I was, say, asking for a painkiller!). In fairness, I was apparently also there during a time when the main residence nursing staff was rotating through vacation time, so my issues were primarily with the fill-ins. Who were competent, but the usual effort to guarantee at least one totally English-fluent nurse per shift didn't always succeed.

I can't speak for his waiting list right now, but it was 5 months when I booked a date (though I actually asked for a time farther out than that, to fit with my work schedule), and six months for someone I know who went earlier this spring. I had heard the same about the wait time, and was pleasantly surprised when I contacted them way early to be on the safe side and was offered a date so much sooner than I expected!

Jenna, let me get this right. You were circumcised and Brassard managed to give you 5.5" of depth? Does he use the whole glans?

I wonder, could I get away without a first consultation, just arrive for the consultation and have the op the next day? This goes for Canada and Brassard.

Nicolette : Yes, I was circumcised and got 5.5" of depth, and I don't think he used the whole glans - I believe he removes a small portion (with the total nerves for the whole glans attached) and repositions it to form a clitoris. Not 100% sure on that, but I *am* quite sure what I've got now is far, far smaller than the original glans!

If he uses the rest of the glans skin internally, it wasn't mentioned but would make sense. He did explain that he also removes the bit of perineum where the vagina will go as a whole square of skin early on, and uses that as a "skin graft" (otherwise it would be discarded). Oh, and he uses the urethra from inside the penis as mucosal tissue to line the inner labia and clitoral hood, which means that in my case - where it seems to have turned out as well as could be hoped - I now have moist, light pink, mucosal skin there just as in a natal vulva.

Also, yes, I actually showed up at the hospital the night before; the morning of the operation, I got examined, was told I had enough material, and went into surgery a few minutes later. I know his materials say you have to go for a pre-op consult months before, but as far as I can tell that packet is wrong about half of the details and then they're not as strict about the other half as it sounds. I was pretty surprised, but pleased, that I only needed to make the one trip to Montreal.

(Once again, no reason to think other surgeons aren't as good. :) I'm answering questions b/c this technique/experience is what I know and I want to help you out, not to push Brassard as the best choice!)

Quote from: Nicolette on May 29, 2013, 08:46:40 AM
He was positive about a non-UK surgeon? That's not like him.

It gets rather difficult if I'm away for more than a couple of weeks. My mother would come with me. But she's not the type to lay about. She'd go insane with boredom. I'd need to find her a way of killing time.

I wonder what the journey back to the UK by plane was like for you. Was it just about tolerable?

I've looked at Preecha's website. I don't see any prices. I'd be so grateful if you had an around about figure to hand? It says penile inversion with scrotal graft. Is this a different type of technique to standard inversion?

Going abroad for major surgery is not optimal, but it may be doable. I have a ball and chain of responsibilities which makes it difficult.

Brassard seems to be an all round good choice. Were there any language barrier difficulties? Canada is closer than Thailand and the flight time is half. The only major issue is waiting lists. I hear he has a very long one. Perhaps up to 18 months.

Richard Curtis knew that I would not have surgery in the UK so then we started talking about the merits of the Thai's and any serious complications in patients that he he knew of personally. I was then he mentioned Preecha. I also knew of others that had been to him and who has said they had a good result. Preecha's clinic uses a penile inversion with a scrotal graft. In fact most of the the neo-vagina will be lined with the scrotal graft. Every surgeon has to invert the penile skin to some extent in order to attach the scrotal graft so the term non inversion is in fact inaccurate. If you look at Preecha's options he also terms the procedure as penile inversion when he talks about using a colon graft.
His current price for surgery is $8600 you will also need to pay $100 extra for the full set of dilators.

I used these people to book as i was also looking for other surgery at the same time. There is no difference in price if you book with them or directly with the clinic and you do get extra service http://www.plasticsurgerythailand.com/ (http://www.plasticsurgerythailand.com/) You will find the prices of a number of Thai clinic on this site, most of whom will provide a similar outcome. You will need to do the research.

The clinic is in Bangkok so plenty og things to do for your mother During my recovery period I was off around Thailand doing the tourist thing. Sitting is uncomfortable unless you move your weight onto the lower spine. I was able to hire a cab for a whole day for 4000 baht to take me to the floating market, the river Kwai and the Tiger Temple.(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%5Burl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F11265439%40N06%2F4888594120%2F%255D%255Bimg%255Dhttp%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4136%2F4888594120_c482701c66.jpg&hash=46e0cbfa3325f7fb54ec7ffa26d4b3ad35ca3cfc)[/url]
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The return trip was uncomfortable and I really wouldn't consider travelling cattle class for this leg of the journey. I upgraded to economy plus and even then I spent quite a bit of time in the bulk head bar area talking to drunken Australians.

kyh : If it helps any, my roommate and her girlfriend were both Canadians who had gone to Brassard for FFS and came back happily for GRs. :)

Quote from: swan on May 27, 2013, 06:03:15 PM

My other option was Suporn.

... After several months I learned about Suporn's buried secret.

I have been thinking about Supporn. What's this about a burried secret?

Quote from: kyh on May 29, 2013, 12:59:43 PM
That's really reassuring! I'm not too worried about depth, if that's a problem... Guys like going in the back door anyways... Lol xD I just don't want to regret the procedure because the results were really aesthetically poor or there was some sort of major complication. I'm guessing that Brassard gives pretty consistent results. So I'm really pleased!

???  I am sorry I pay that much money for a pretty new vagina and my partner does not want to use it? they get shown the front door!  ;)

Quote from: vegie271 on May 29, 2013, 01:18:27 PM


???  I am sorry I pay that much money for a pretty new vagina and my partner does not want to use it? they get shown the front door!  ;)

They don't have to penetrate my vagina (really wish I had one :( ), there are other ways that guys can do things with that part of a girl.

xD haha

kyh - Brassard definitely seems to be very consistent, and in giving good results. I seem to recall that the average cis vagina is about 4", too, so his chosen depth seems reasonable if not large.

I would totally be thrilled to get to go to him for free. Heck, I think it was worth the $19,000 US I paid for it!

Quote from: kyh on May 29, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
They don't have to penetrate my vagina (really wish I had one :( ), there are other ways that guys can do things with that part of a girl.

And woman too :)

Quote from: kyh on May 29, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
They don't have to penetrate my vagina (really wish I had one :( ), there are other ways that guys can do things with that part of a girl.

xD haha

Penetrate, touch, kiss, lick, pet, I don't care, just pay attention to me there, not the other side if I spend the next 15 years saving every single penny I have and manage to have surgery and then someone turns me around and ignores what I Consider precious forget them

Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 29, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
kyh - Brassard definitely seems to be very consistent, and in giving good results. I seem to recall that the average cis vagina is about 4", too, so his chosen depth seems reasonable if not large.

I would totally be thrilled to get to go to him for free. Heck, I think it was worth the $19,000 US I paid for it!

How can a 7" object fit into a 4" hole? >_< Are guys overestimating their size? Because that's a big difference!

kyh - Partially guys overestimating, I bet, since the average penis size is about 5". :) Partly that a guy can't actually get the whole length in there - there's things like hipbones and lower stomach in the way, and the angle of the penis usually makes it impossible too.

 
How can a 7" object fit into a 4" hole? >_< Are guys overestimating their size? Because that's a big difference!
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No a 7" penis cannot fit into a 4" vagina all the way. A neo-vagina cannot stretch like a cis vagina. 5 or 6" of depth in the neo-vagina is more than enough to accommodate an avg size penis, Width is also your biggest concern too.

Quote from: Cherrie on May 29, 2013, 02:28:42 PM
A vagina is elastic. A neo vagina not so much I think?

oh but it is as well...wink..wink.. ::)

Quote from: Tristan on May 29, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
oh but it is as well...wink..wink.. ::)

LOL

lets just say i always surprise myself when to mood is right  :P

Cherrie its very good information and you will find out for yourself after your SRS. i dont know what its like for most guys that mess around down there but for me after the surgery all the panic and confusion went bye bye. and the pleasure and new questions presented themselves. good questions though. as my mom said a right of passage for all girls.
this little hooch has spoken. MUHAHAHA..

Quote from: Tristan on May 29, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
Cherrie its very good information and you will find out for yourself after your SRS. i dont know what its like for most guys that mess around down there but for me after the surgery all the panic and confusion went bye bye. and the pleasure and new questions presented themselves. good questions though. as my mom said a right of passage for all girls.
this little hooch has spoken. MUHAHAHA..

Tristian, you couldn't have explained it any better :)

Something I've always wanted to know. Is it more fun with the right passage or the 'wrong' one?

Chloe i do my best and Nicolette. IDK? i only have experience with my kitty kat. and lots of stuff before 19 are fuzzy. but i would guess more fun with the kitty kat

Quote from: kyh on May 29, 2013, 05:01:02 PM
All I've ever known is the backdoor... But I think it can be fun (to receive, obviously!). >_<

haha Kyh your to funny. i could never do that.  ;D

My ex-boyfriend was larger than 7". I measured it. I used to think how even being post-op, I would never be able to accommodate him. But I now remember that he had sex with a post-op transwoman, before I met him, and I don't remember hearing any complaints. And she had a straight penile inversion done by a UK surgeon (Mr Royle) in the early nineties with possibly only 4.5" - 5". I think certain positions are easier to bottom out, but I wouldn't know which.

Quote from: Nicolette on May 30, 2013, 04:48:23 AM
My ex-boyfriend was larger than 7". I measured it. I used to think how even being post-op, I would never be able to accommodate him. But I now remember that he had sex with a post-op transwoman, before I met him, and I don't remember hearing any complaints. And she had a straight penile inversion done by a UK surgeon (Mr Royle) in the early nineties with possibly only 4.5" - 5". I think certain positions are easier to bottom out, but I wouldn't know which.

yes..yes... this is very nice. i have noticed also noticed a few guys in my area packing 7.5-9 inches and let me tell you guys will surprise you. its always the ones you would think are small

Quote from: Susan T on May 29, 2013, 11:54:40 AM
The clinic is in Bangkok so plenty og things to do for your mother During my recovery period I was off around Thailand doing the tourist thing. Sitting is uncomfortable unless you move your weight onto the lower spine. I was able to hire a cab for a whole day for 4000 baht to take me to the floating market, the river Kwai and the Tiger Temple.

Thanks for the links. Canada is approximately double the cost of Thailand. But there are some benefits going to Montreal, but perhaps not surgically-wise. Possibly, for me it would be more familiar medical facilities, European language and shorter flight journey.

If it's Canada then I'd have to commandeer my Dad for this one and not my Mum. My Dad speaks fluently in half a dozen European languages. I think he would be honoured to be asked to go with me. It would be a little strange for him to be present at the birth of his daughter, but he got over the death of his son years ago. He's quite a traditional Italian guy. He's annoyingly charming with strangers and suffers from verbal diarrhoea. He'd need to be kept in check at all times.  :laugh: But discussion of lady parts would be off limits, hmm.

(edit: My mum has thought twice about my dad coming with me and now doesn't think it's a good idea. Personally, even though he completely accepts me, he may actually be traumatised by the idea of being with me when the last vestiges of his son are eliminated. It'll have to be my mum in the end.)

OK, thanks for all the replies, especially SusanT and Jenna Marie. Panic over. New panic starting.

Quote from: Tristan on May 30, 2013, 08:14:36 AM
yes..yes... this is very nice. i have noticed also noticed a few guys in my area packing 7.5-9 inches and let me tell you guys will surprise you. its always the ones you would think are small

9"???? That's a leg!

LOL 9" is too much for me I think xD

I like more humble endowments.

Quote from: kyh on June 12, 2013, 01:16:31 AM
LOL 9" is too much for me I think xD

I like more humble endowments.

You just think so :D Nothing is too much ;)

Me and Tristan should become best friends :)))