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Figured this was pretty amazing :3 Transgender super hero? Kind of?

For American television (on the hub) , this is a pretty big step!

Shezow (Premiere Promo) - Hub Network (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTf7QlFr3fg#)

Feels like my identity is being made fun of... I definitely don't see this as a step forward...

Do trans girls *always* have to be comic relief?

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
Feels like my identity is being made fun of... I definitely don't see this as a step forward...

Do trans girls *always* have to be comic relief?

I didn't even have the sound on and couldn't manage to watch all of it.  Made me feel kinda awkward to watch.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
Feels like my identity is being made fun of... I definitely don't see this as a step forward...

Do trans girls *always* have to be comic relief?

There is always that danger.  But on the other hand, children are being introduced to the idea that gender and sexual identity don't always have to go hand-in-hand.

The creators of this show think a boy who dresses like a girl is funny, that's it. There's no thought beyond that. Usually there's some sort of weird, wacky element to a kids show like this, and for this one it's a crossdressing boy. Is that really something for us to be happy about? :/

I see it as pretty harmless

Of course the reaction at first of the main character in the show is going to be "wait...wtf?". Of course it will be treated with humor and approached light heartedly.

But, the thing is, it is the main character.... no matter how strange or weird or whatever else the show tries to portray it as at first... the main character will need to come to terms with how things are (as will the audience).

Yea it seems to have a lot of pretty big gender stereotypes. But, really, you still can't ignore the fact that it is the main character...as a transgendered character...who is going to be saving the day....(not a sidekick or joke character that pops in for an episode).

This is DEFINITELY a step forward. Would you rather non-gender conforming be whitewashed away again?

If my little cousin (who doesn't know I'm trans) saw this, he'd laugh and think the main character was a weirdo. And his parents would probably get upset at him for watching it and tell him that people like the main character are bad. Is that harmless?

I don't see this as something super terrible, but it's certainly not good in any way. In my opinion at least.

 I thought it was cute. :D

Quote from: Rabbit on May 27, 2013, 10:39:04 PM
This is DEFINITELY a step forward. Would you rather non-gender conforming be whitewashed away again?

I'd rather gender incomformity not be a joke. If it's just a stupid, laughable a joke, it's better to be out of sight, out of mind.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
The creators of this show think a boy who dresses like a girl is funny, that's it. There's no thought beyond that. Usually there's some sort of weird, wacky element to a kids show like this, and for this one it's a crossdressing boy. Is that really something for us to be happy about? :/

Actually he turns completely into a girl (like ranma).. so it isn't just some crossdressing thing (though I think the show seems to dance around it a bit and try to paint it as crossdressing? At least in their promo they seemed to say it was crossdressing, when the show it is full transformation))

From the wikipedia entry:

Shezow is an Australian-Canadian animated television series created by Obie Scott Wade, which began airing on Network Ten on 15 December 2012, and will run for 26 episodes. Aimed at kids 6-11 years-old, the series is produced by Moody Street Kids and Kickstart Productions. It is distributed by DHX Media, funded in part by Film Victoria and was designed by Australian artist Kyla May.

The series' protagonist, a 12 year old boy named Guy Hamdon, discovers the superheroine Shezow's power ring and puts it on. While the power ring does grant him super powers, it was only meant to be worn by a woman. Guy takes on the appearance of a female super hero and with the help of his sister, Kelly, and best friend, Maz, he protects the city of Megadale from supervillains and criminals.

In the United States, it will be added to the lineup of The Hub on June 1, 2013.

Quote from: Rabbit on May 27, 2013, 10:43:07 PM
Actually he turns completely into a girl (like ranma).. so it isn't just some crossdressing thing (though I think the show seems to dance around it a bit and try to paint it as crossdressing? At least in their promo they seemed to say it was crossdressing, when the show it is full transformation))

From watching the trailer, it seemed more like it was something he turned on and off. Like in everyday life he was a boy, but then when the day needed to be saved, he turned into herpy derpy he-she supreme. :P

In my opinion the main character is not a transgender person. To me it was kind of a boy forced to dress like a girl for comic relief. Granted it is a kids show, and it is bringing up the possible question of gender identity. But, I can't help but think that they will be getting a laught because a "boy" dressed as a "girl" is something to laugh at. So maybe 1 step forward 2 steps backwards?

<3 Liv

P.S. Had I seen this when I was 6-11 years old I would have thought it would be so awsome to get that ring and where could I get one??  :laugh:

Quote from: Olivia-Anne on May 27, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
In my opinion the main character is not a transgender person. To me it was kind of a boy forced to dress like a girl for comic relief. Granted it is a kids show, and it is bringing up the possible question of gender identity. But, I can't help but think that they will be getting a laught because a "boy" dressed as a "girl" is something to laugh at. So maybe 1 step forward 2 steps backwards?

<3 Liv

P.S. Had I seen this when I was 6-11 years old I would have thought it would be so awsome to get that ring and where could I get one??  :laugh:

1 step foward, 2 steps backward is right. (imo)

Sure, kids will see gender noncomformity and realize it exists... and that's what we want right? But then they're going to be laughing at it and thinking it's silly (how could they not when the entire show is based on the premise of a goofy crossdresser? The main character's predicament is *meant* to be laughed at). And then their parents are going to scold them for watching it while demonizing trans people. Or they might laugh along and poke fun at people like us. Very rarely will they say anything positive about us or help educate their child. So what kind of message does it send to the children after that?  :-\

I can already hear One Million Moms raising all hell if it ever airs here in the US.

Okay, so I found the first episode embedded within a commentary.

This show reminds me a little bit of the old sitcom, "The Greatest American Hero."

Let's Watch Shezow - Shezow Happens/ Cold Finger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y265LA938Fg#)

Quote from: kariann330 on May 27, 2013, 11:00:32 PM
I can already hear One Million Moms raising all hell if it ever airs here in the US.

More like twelve moms..

Yeah I agree it's not a good thing and I really don't like people taking something that is really serious and making fun of it.

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on May 27, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
More like twelve moms..

They managed to keep Sailor Stars from getting released in America.  Well, not necessarily them but parents.  Only because guardians went to look for their princess across the universe and in order to hide their identity had themselves be boys in a band in order to look for her.  But when they transformed into their sailor outfits, obviously they reverted back to their original forms.  And America couldn't think that kids would understand that. 

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on May 27, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
More like twelve moms..

I know, but still, this is the organization that called an "intimates" banner with a picture of a woman wearing a bra porn....i bet those 12 moms will bomb them with emails till the show is pulled...hell they are trying to have pride day at Disney shut down....this will really piss them off lol.

I say this is amazing. It's about time that boys with feminine sides get representation, because there's already tons of masculine girl representation out there. After watching that, it seems to take a positive spin and less deprecative than it could've been. Of course we'll have to wait and see, but I'm hoping something good comes of it.

Quote from: Jamie D on May 27, 2013, 11:00:40 PM
Okay, so I found the first episode embedded within a commentary.

This show reminds me a little bit of the old sitcom, "The Greatest American Hero."

Let's Watch Shezow - Shezow Happens/ Cold Finger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y265LA938Fg#)

I'm watching this right now, and it's not bad.

But still, I don't feel like it'll do anything but make us more of a laughing stock and target.

I would hate for some kid to be like "So you're like Shezow? My mommy and daddy told me that people like you and Shezow are bad." And believe me, parents will tell their children something to that effect. That or make fun of us trans people.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 10:39:39 PM
If my little cousin (who doesn't know I'm trans) saw this, he'd laugh and think the main character was a weirdo. And his parents would probably get upset at him for watching it and tell him that people like the main character are bad. Is that harmless?

I don't see this as something super terrible, but it's certainly not good in any way. In my opinion at least.

No that's something else in itself.
That's a child growing up in a backward household that will most likely end up just as bad as his parents.

This might just open a few minds up, it doesn't and most likely wont show in Australia but I wish it would.



Please, no name-calling

Quote from: Nicole on May 27, 2013, 11:18:39 PM
No that's something else in itself.
That's a child growing up in a redneck household that will most likely end up just as bad as his parents.

This might just open a few minds up, it doesn't and most likely wont show in Australia but I wish it would.

..Nicole, not everyone grows up to be like their parents.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
I'm watching this right now, and it's not bad.

But still, I don't feel like it'll do anything but make us more of a laughing stock and target.

I would hate for some kid to be like "So you're like Shezow? My mommy and daddy told me that people like you and Shezow are bad." And believe me, parents will tell their children something to that effect. That or make fun of us trans people.

My parents let me watch Totally Spies, Sailor Moon and other feminine shows when I was young, and my dad particularly is very conservatively christian. It may not be as big of an issue as you'd think. Plus, by the time they're growing up, I'm sure the percent of teens who support LGBT topics will be huge anyways (even compared to now).

Quote from: Nicole on May 27, 2013, 11:18:39 PM
No that's something else in itself.
That's a child growing up in a backward household that will most likely end up just as bad as his parents.

This might just open a few minds up, it doesn't and most likely wont show in Australia but I wish it would.

Can we try not to offend people plz. Im a red blooded redneck with gas, mud and gunpowder flowin thru her veins who would rather live in a trailer on 16+ acres then the suburbs or the city.

Quote from: toxicblue on May 27, 2013, 11:21:52 PM
My parents let me watch Totally Spies, Sailor Moon and other feminine shows when I was young, and my dad particularly is very conservatively christian. It may not be as big of an issue as you'd think. Plus, by the time they're growing up, I'm sure the percent of teens who support LGBT topics will be huge anyways (even compared to now).

Watching a show with female protagonists is kind of different from watching a show with a boy that turns into a girl superhero.  :-X

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:24:09 PM
Watching a show with female protagonists is kind of different from watching a show with a boy that turns into a girl superhero.  :-X

Forgot to mention Mulan. :P

sorry, just read that it has aired here.


As for upsetting people, I'm sorry, however I'm fed up with people defending anyone who is so stuck in their hateful ways.

if you're an Australian on these boards you'll know about a case on Friday night of a 13 year old girl calling a champion footballer an "ape".
This was defended by some saying she's only 13, age is not an excuse, so is saying its what god wants or its how she was rised. Her dumb mother was defending her saying she didn't know it would upset someone whose black.

Its the same as homophobia, I'm sick of hearing about gays not allowed to marry, I'm sick of hearing of a transwoman being asked to leave a clothing store and I'm sick of "that is wrong".

Quote from: toxicblue on May 27, 2013, 11:31:09 PM
Forgot to mention Mulan. :P

Yea, but she did that under her own choice in order to save her father and bring honor to her family.  Same with Joan of Arc.  It's different.  And Nicole, I'm not defending people.  I was raised in a very christian household and I'm not a backward.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:35:17 PM
But that's a girl dressing up as a boy. The opposite is almost never accepted :(

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.thesocietypages.org%2Fsocimages%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F05%2F125.jpg&hash=51b7f417ef8af748299a560b43670de2f61b6781)

Trans girls are, in general, harder for people to stomache than trans guys. (imo, and of course there are exceptions!)

And that's exactly my point. There needs to be a start somewhere, and I think Shezow will most likely do it.

Quote from: toxicblue on May 27, 2013, 11:37:39 PM
And that's exactly my point. There needs to be a start somewhere, and I think Shezow will most likely do it.

Shezow will garner ridicule for us. What else could it accomplish? It doesn't display gender noncomformity in a respectable or realistic light. It's made out to be stupid and silly.

I watched a little of the episode and found nothing wrong.  It seems to be a harmless kids show.  I doubt it will have a positive or negative impact either way. This isn't going to make or break the trans community.

Now, if only I can find a shezow ring in real life.

Quote from: learningtolive on May 27, 2013, 11:39:04 PM
I watched a little of the episode and found nothing wrong.  It seems to be a harmless kids show.  I doubt it will have a positive or negative impact either way. This isn't going to make or break the trans community.

Now, if only I can find a shezow ring in real life.

The show is enjoyable for me as well.

But what about kids who will be confused by it? This will reinforce or introduce the notion that boys who dress and behave like girls are funny and even weird.

Quote from: Nicole on May 27, 2013, 11:33:09 PM
sorry, just read that it has aired here.


As for upsetting people, I'm sorry, however I'm fed up with people defending anyone who is so stuck in their hateful ways.

if you're an Australian on these boards you'll know about a case on Friday night of a 13 year old girl calling a champion footballer an "ape".
This was defended by some saying she's only 13, age is not an excuse, so is saying its what god wants or its how she was raised. Her dumb mother was defending her saying she didn't know it would upset someone whose black.

Its the same as homophobia, I'm sick of hearing about gays not allowed to marry, I'm sick of hearing of a transwoman being asked to leave a clothing store and I'm sick of "that is wrong".

Really....and here i thought this forum was a place we could come WITHOUT being offended or directly insulted as i have been by you. YES i am, YES i hate some people for reasons other then who they are, YES i STILL fly a Confederate flag and will until the day i take my last breath, YES i support the 2nd amendment to the Constitution Of The United States Of America...BUT I REFUSE to have any person insult me or use a word that i am PROUD to be considered ANYWHERE be it in person or on the internet!!!

I politely and respectfully ask you to retract your comment now!!!


Please, no name-calling

Quote from: kariann330 on May 27, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
Really....and here i thought this forum was a place we could come WITHOUT being offended or directly insulted as i have been by you. YES i am, YES i hate some people for reasons other then who they are, YES i STILL fly a Confederate flag and will until the day i take my last breath, YES i support the 2nd amendment to the Constitution Of The United States Of America...BUT I REFUSE to have any insult me or use a word that i am PROUD to be considered ANYWHERE be it in person or on the internet!!!

I politely and respectfully ask you to retract your comment now!!!

Kari, please breathe ok..

Quote from: Darkie on May 27, 2013, 11:51:52 PM
Kari, please breathe ok..

I am breathing, but i REFUSE to have my Southern US heritage defamed by people using the words redneck , hick, hillbilly etc. in an insulting manner.

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:42:04 PM
The show is enjoyable for me as well.

But what about kids who will be confused by it? This will reinforce or introduce the notion that boys who dress and behave like girls are funny and even weird.

Doubtful in my opinion.  The protagonist is shown in a positive light.  If anything, the character is represented as someone to like.  They aren't portraying the character as weird.  Of course, there will be a backlash against the show from the those who say "that's gay", but that attitude isn't directly being reinforced by the show.  It seems to me that it would have more positive than negative impact on crossdressing.  Still, I don't think most people will associate the shows with the transgender community so I wouldn't hold your breath for any major improvements either. 

Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:38:41 PM
Shezow will garner ridicule for us. What else could it accomplish? It doesn't display gender noncomformity in a respectable or realistic light. It's made out to be stupid and silly.

I am old enough to remember seeing "Amos and Andy" re-runs on television.  It was a show full of bigoted humor and streotypes.  There were many parents to taught their kids that "negros" were sub-human, dumb, lazy, and so on.

Then an interesting thing happened.  Desilu studios, in 1965, cast a young black man in one of the two lead roles of a action series called "I Spy."  The actor was an aspiring comedian, but the role was of a brave, articulate, Rhodes scholar, who spoke several languages.  Race was never an issue.  The actor who played opposite of Robert Culp was Bill Cosby.

The show was not shown in some parts of the USA.  Small minds will always be closed, but the show opened the eyes of many in the younger, baby-boomer generation.  I was one of them.

Many of you are too young to have seen, or even recognize, the cultural revolution this nation has been through.  Not just with racial minorities, but with women's rights, gay and lesbian rights, personal freedoms, and all sorts of other advances.  The job's not over.  But every time the spotlight is put on inequalities, positive changes will happen.

It is a matter of winning hearts and minds.  Building bridges instead of walls.

You might be talking about a cartoon in the topic.  But I am seeing a new bridge be built.

Quote from: Jamie D on May 27, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
I am old enough to remember seeing "Amos and Andy" re-runs on television.  It was a show full of bigoted humor and streotypes.  There were many parents to taught their kids that "negros" were sub-human, dumb, lazy, and so on.

Then an interesting thing happened.  Desilu studios, in 1965, cast a young black man in one of the two lead roles of a action series called "I Spy."  The actor was an aspiring comedian, but the role was of a brave, articulate, Rhodes scholar, who spoke several language.  Race was never an issue.  The actor who played opposite of Robert Culp was Bill Cosby.

The show was not shown in some parts of the USA.  Small minds will always be closed, but the showed opened the eyes of many in the younger, baby-boomer generation.  I was one of them.

Many of you are too young to have seen, or even recognize, the cultural revolution this nation has been through.  Not just with racial minorities, but with women's rights, gay and lesbian rights, personal freedoms, and all sorts of other advances.  The job's not over.  But every time the spotlight is put on in equalities, positive changes will happen.

It is a matter of winning hearts and minds.  Building bridges instead of walls.

You might be talking about a cartoon in the topic.  But I am seeing a new bridge be built.

Media can have a profound impact.  Yet this show doesn't seem to be targeting the transgender community.  I don't really think people will associate the shezow character as a transperson or our struggles.  It's sort of like an underdog kind of thing.  The shezow character is a alternative identity.  Most people who see the show won't even think about the transgender community.  If the character was trans that would be one thing, but that isn't the case.  So, I can't really see the case that this is building a bridge.  Still, I hope you're right.

I am going to ask everyone in this topic to take a breather.

Also, I would like posters to be careful of their use of terms, especially those that could be considered derogatory by some.

"Redneck" is often used to describe people who are stereotypically poor, un- or under-educated, folks who live in the rural American south.  The name derives from those who had to work in the sun as laborers and often became sunburned.

"Hick," when used in that way, can be equally derogatory.

At the same time, I want everyone to respectfully consider the arguments being made for or against the cartoon show.  Just asking for a little civility, please.

:police:

Quote from: kariann330 on May 27, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
Really....and here i thought this forum was a place we could come WITHOUT being offended or directly insulted as i have been by you. YES i am, YES i hate some people for reasons other then who they are, YES i STILL fly a Confederate flag and will until the day i take my last breath, YES i support the 2nd amendment to the Constitution Of The United States Of America...BUT I REFUSE to have any person insult me or use a word that i am PROUD to be considered ANYWHERE be it in person or on the internet!!!

I politely and respectfully ask you to retract your comment now!!!


Please, no name-calling

I'm sorry but you kind of scare me. :-\

Trans people don't 'turn into' anything. We are who we are, our only transformation is in the sense of becoming ourselves fully, not becoming something we never were before. Or maybe I'm just nitpicking...I dunno.

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on May 28, 2013, 12:15:07 AM
I'm sorry but you kind of scare me. :-\

Sorry, i didn't mean to scare anyone....that word has become a very sore spot with me since i moved out of southern Tennessee to a state north of the Mason Dixon.

Quote from: kariann330 on May 28, 2013, 12:21:11 AM
Sorry, i didn't mean to scare anyone....that word has become a very sore spot with me since i moved out of southern Tennessee to a state north of the Mason Dixon.

I'm from 10 minutes from the home of John Deere, so trust me, I understand the redneck thing.  Maybe not to the same extent as you, but I am from Iowa.  We have corn.  And cows.  And some more corn.  On a side note, did you know that in the 70's in Iowa pigs outnumbered people 3 to 1?

I grew up in a little redneck town in south Alabama. I definitely know what redneck means in reality. Rednecks tend to be country folk that enjoy things like muddin, huntin, livin out in the country, etc. Hick has always represented folks that are missing a good amount of teeth and don't exactly live as nice as they could. But that's just where I'm from, it might be different for yall. (by the way, I don't consider myself any kind of redneck. I prefer 'southern gentlemen', so no one has to worry about offendin me there.)

Quote from: Darkie on May 28, 2013, 12:23:35 AM
I'm from 10 minutes from the home of John Deere, so trust me, I understand the redneck thing.  Maybe not to the same extent as you, but I am from Iowa.  We have corn.  And cows.  And some more corn.  On a side note, did you know that in the 70's in Iowa pigs outnumbered people 3 to 1?

Best dangon tractors ever....little known fact my home town of Hixton TN didn't get a traffic light until 1985 lol.

Sorry bout the off topic post.

Thank you Kariann, Lance, and Darkie.

Lets get back on topic, please, ladies and gentlemen.

v ("Kariann, you just wait 'til your father gets home!") v

Quote from: Jamie D on May 28, 2013, 12:40:12 AM
Thank you Kariann, Lance, and Darkie.

Lets get back on topic, please, ladies and gentlemen.

BUT MA, I DON'T WANNA *Coughs up a cloud of dust and Marlboro smoke*

Lol jk jk

But after watching a clip of the show, if it does air in the US i think it would be used for nothing more then a source for more jokes bout trans people.

Quote from: Jamie D on May 28, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
I am going to ask everyone in this topic to take a breather.

Also, I would like posters to be careful of their use of terms, especially those that could be considered derogatory by some.

"Redneck" is often used to describe people who are stereotypically poor, un- or under-educated, folks who live in the rural American south.  The name derives from those who had to work in the sun as laborers and often became sunburned.

"Hick," when used in that way, can be equally derogatory.

At the same time, I want everyone to respectfully consider the arguments being made for or against the cartoon show.  Just asking for a little civility, please.

:police:

Sorry.

They're both words we use here in Australia to describe racists, sexists, homophobic or bigots. It has nothing to do we're anyone is from.

All which I'm fed up with in this day & age.
If she is upset by that term, sorry, but she didn't have to PM me with that rubbish threatening message.

Hello
I have found this thread on google, as i like to see reactions from people about this show, and looked through most of the posts here. As there seems to be quite some misinformation about the Show i figured i should clear some things up.

(Even though i have registered only to talk about Shezow here, i am not unfamiliar with transgender community, let's just leave it as that as this is not the topic at hand)

I am myself a fan of the show, i have seen all the episodes which are available currently(the show aired previously on a channel in australia before the Hub even heard about it. But they stopped airing it after episode 8 without any notice why. However we all assume it is NOT because of complains, as they would mentioned anything about it by now, and they started to reair the episodes again.) and i have read a lot what the Creator himself said about the Show, so i know a fair bit about the show.

First things first
Shezow is not about transgender. It can be barely called "Crossdressing", because even though he is a guy dressed in women's clothes, he doesn't identify with it.(in that aspect, its more of a "costume")
He starts to identify a bit with the Superhero persona, but not with the female dressing aspect of it.
Even though the commercials say he becomes a girl, he does not(!), the creator himself confirmed it is just crossdressing, not genderbending, if the voice isn't a give away to you.
He does not identify with transgender, girls or crossdressing, he is just doing it because he has to. But he doesn't have a problem with it either.
At first he was against it, but not because he thinks transgender/crossdressers are sick, but because...he is a 12 year old boy, who identifies as a boy, in a female uniform. If you identify yourself as a girl, how would you feel if you have to wear a male schooluniform? Right, it's like that.
Since episode 2 the crossdressing thing is almost never being mentioned again, as it is not the focus of show...technically speaking.
The rare instances that mention it are 2:
-In one episode he dreams of playing in a football game, while still wearing the Shezow dress, and his friends wonder "Why are you wearing a dress?" he answers with "So what i am wearing a dress" and thats it
-In another episode, a friendly creature wonders "Since when is Shezow a boy? ... Not that there is anything wrong with it." again, that's it
So as you can see, it's almost never a topic of the show, not even played for laughs(aside the first episode for like 1 minute top), and if it is being mentioned, it's NOT seen as something stupid or funny.

As for sexism:
A lot of people complain that the Shezow costume(which was worn by female heroes prior to the protagonist of the show) is playing too much of a stereotype of a girl. You know, laserLIPSTICK, bommerrangBRUSH, superEYELASHES and so on. While that is true, the intention is not of mocking such things, but for appreciating it, it's being played for coolness, not for laughs. Also it is never implied all girls(or boys) should be like this, on the contrary, the female cast of the show all have different and unique personalities.
There is even one episode(which is not available yet, but some images got leaked with the creator himself talking about it) with a person form an parallel universe, which is a girl who gets a mans superhero uniform.
The creator even had a team of female co workers look over the script to avoid any accidentally provocation, to avoid the sexism card.

As you can see, it is just what it looks like, another random cartoon for kids.

Even the HUB himself has tested this Show on a possible audience to make sure it's safe.

If you have any questions regarding the show i will try to answer them.  I don't like the spreading of false information. (which as you can imagine happens a lot of the show)



Civility edit

I'm found that funny =)
And it could be SOOOO cool having a ring to auto-make-up auto-dress auto-shave auto-everything in a second !
I want that ring...
;D


Seriously, trans-thing is a serious point for us and sometime media aren't helping people to understand well, sharing bad information or whatever...
But here, it's just a comics !
Some superhero change from guy to big green guy or change from guy to super insects or whatever while it's a super-whatever ! In this one is a super pink girl.
The main character has no gender issue and as a normal 12yrs old guy he feels weird being in a dress. Even me being a trans-gender sometime I feel weird wearing a dress.
No one make laugh of him (too much) and he is doing well in pink boots.

And girls, when we can laugh about something that means it's becoming more and more accepted as "not a big deal".
No one laugh about World War II and thousand people murdered... it's a too serious issue to laugh at.
People laugh about a guy wearing a pink dress in order to save the world... it's a funny hobby ^^

I really don't see the rudeness in this show. And I want this SHamazing-ring !

Mixed feelings on this, as like many others I don't want to see our community laughed at. But lets be honest, some people are going to laugh at us no matter what, its not right, but at the moment we cant avoid that, but I would prefer a positive laughter than outright ridicule and hate, and hopefully when the laughter dies down we are a little more accepted, (that rarely happens with hate), You even see that in the Bevis and butthead over-commentary on the first episode posted by Jamie, it starts off as exactly what we don't want but turns into just poking fun like they would as any adult watching a child's cartoon without much reference to the boy/girl thing, and ends up actually quite positive. But in all honesty the feminists have more to complain about with the female stereotypes than we do, as the trans issue seems to be pretty much ignored. 

Whilst I can see some parents being against their child watching it I would hope the conversation goes more like

Parent - Don't watch that, its wrong that the boy dresses as a girl
Child - but mom, shezow is cool, she always beats the bad guy

or if in the streets.

Parent - Come here Jonnie away from that man wearing a dress, he's sick
Jonnie - What's wrong with him, is she like shezow, shezow's cool, she beats the baddies.

I know I would prefer to be seen as shezow than a weirdo, and on that note where can I get one of those rings

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Quote
But if you're interested in a transgender action/drama show, watch the series 'Hit & Miss'. It's great.

Hoo yes I watched it last month. It is great =)

Maybe it's just me, but are we all over-thinking about this?  It really doesn't differ from other super hero cartoons where the character as an alter ego.  Yes, the alter ego wears female clothing, but that doesn't matter too much.  No one is going to laugh at us because of this nor are they going to become sympathetic to us.  It's like the band kiss and the glam rock era in music.  Did that really open or shut doors for the trans community?  No.  Because it had nothing to do with us.

 Whether this show is harmful to the community or not is almost a non-issue... Children and young teens have so much access to a variety of points of view these days, thanks to the Internet, and one show that barely got any airtime is a drop of mist from a spray bottle, at best. I think that we're being a little over-sensitive here (as we are often).

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
I don't know much about Kiss or Glam rock specifically but I think rock/music culture actually opened a lot of doors for trans people, because it gave MAAB people a place to express themselves without fear of a lot of judgments they would face anywhere else, no real pressure that says they're being too unmanly. A Pete Burns or a David Bowie would have had a hard time expressing themselves if they weren't musicians... Unfortunately it didn't carry over very well into everyday life....

This is different.... It's not a self-expression, it's not saying it's okay to be yourself, it's not really saying anything other than people think it's funny when men dress like women.

I don't really feel offended, it's just like, it's more of the same... ::)

Well, it's true that people could blend into the glam seen and get away with gender bending. But in the long term it did nothing to advance the trans community.

While the show is trying to be humorous, they don't do it in a malicious way.  Sometimes humour is a way to translate important messages.  How do we know the show won't make statements here and there about crossdressing and say it's okay to be yourself?  It might end up doing so.  I doubt it will have any impact either way, but it doesn't bother me.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AM
Mulan didn't have anything to do with gender identity.

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Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AMAnd also (shezow) has nothing to do with gender identity

so it IS similar after all?

Also look at my previous post on page 3 for more information, but you got several facts wrong about Shezow.

QuoteShezow is just another round of LOL dude looks like a lady!! How embarrassing!!!

No, that does not happen, aside for like 1 minute of the first episode, max. He quickly stop complaining and it is never really being mentioned again, except for an instance where he defended his new look as a superheroin. The crossdressing is not played for laughts at all, but more like played for coolnes.

QuoteI guess unless he gets stuck as Shezow and has to live the rest of his life in the wrong body.

Yes, he get stuck for the rest of his live as Shezow, but its not a wrong body, it's just crossdressing, he still has a penis. And he has the nice option of just reverting back to being joe regular while not battling supervillians. In that aspect, he is not different than spiderman.

If you watch the show you will see that the humor comes from a lazy kid being forced to take on the massive task of saving the world.  The humor is not derived from the crossdressing. The show is respectful of femininity.  Give it a try.  You'll probably like it. 

Quote from: Kibate on May 28, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Also look at my previous post on page 3 for more information, but you got several facts wrong about Shezow.No, that does not happen, aside for like 1 minute of the first episode, max. He quickly stop complaining and it is never really being mentioned again, except for an instance where he defended his new look as a superheroin. The crossdressing is not played for laughts at all, but more like played for coolness.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by defending the show; it's being discussed, but it's not under attack. Even if it were being baselessly attacked, it seems like a minor issue to me.

I read that you can't stand the spread of misinformation, but why did you pick this thread? There's misinformation everywhere, and you'll have quite the job if you want to start an information crusade on the Internet. I don't know about how much you watch or like this show, but I hope you don't feel too threatened by this discussion... and if you do, perhaps you can organize your objections, your arguments, and your rebuttals in a more formal manner. It would make it a lot easier to discuss things with you; your posts have had vague directionality.

... I also hope that your "ignorant fools" comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. There's no sense in being antagonistic, so my immediate assumption leads to being doubtful of any negative intent on your part. :)

Looking forward to your response.

First off, sorry for this Quote wave, but this makes it easier to respond to every single question.

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on May 28, 2013, 02:13:53 PMand you'll have quite the job if you want to start an information crusade on the Internet.

welcome to the hell that is my life.

Quotebut I hope you don't feel too threatened by this discussion...

Not at all, why should i? I cleared the misunderstandings of the show up(well, for those who read my post at least) so everything should be fine, right?
For example, in a youtube video where i responded to some misinformation of a homophobic guy, the response i got was, i quote:

QuoteBLA BLA BLA LIBERAL *********

and even that is just some sad troll.
Now, people who plan on attacking the show, the creators, the network etc. for airing this, those are people one should feel be threatened by, which i have also encountered on my journey.

Quoteperhaps you can organize your objections, your arguments, and your rebuttals in a more formal manner. It would make it a lot easier to discuss things with you; your posts have had vague directionality.

I actually feel like i have been the most formal this year in my post here. After all, it's not like i attacked anyone or acted like a brat. And direction? Wasn't it obvious what my direction was? (especially considering i have mentioned it like twice already...) which is, clearing misunderstandings/misinformation up, and i did just that.
I'm not here to talk about transgender, or wether this show will have a positive feedback or wether this show will make the LGBT community better or worse or any of that. I have done that before, and it wasn't pretty. So i sticked to just plain facts in this thread.

Quote... I also hope that your "ignorant fools" comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

Well, yeah, after all i can't be angry at people that don't exist^^" but be assured, i didn't mean anyone in this thread/forum.

QuoteLooking forward to your response.

My response is that i'm confused what you want from me O.o?
You quoted it yourself, i don't like the spreading of misinformation, so thats what i'm countering here. Why this thread? Why not? I do it in other places too. And here are quite a few people interrested in this show(one way or another) so of course this is a good place to clear some things up.

And since i was just talking about facts of Shezow, i feel kinda bummed out that you asked me personal questions. Don't get me wrong, i like those normally(i love to explain myself haha) but i'm afraid i will lose control and start to not be formal anymore... which is not good, considering i'm actually a pretty nice fella usually.^^"

Wow! I must a viewed something entirely different!

This is not trans related, or even cd, gay, or what any other label someone may put on it!!

This is about a typical 9-12 old boy that likes being a boy....doesn't care much for girls (yet) and especially doesn't care much about girls girly stuff....he is more concerned with skateboarding, video games and blowing stuff up!

He now turns into a girl super hero UGH!! UGH!!! but wait he's got super powers....ok this trumps having to look like a girl.

This is a show about how boys at that age feel about girls....I should know I have boys this age! My main fear of transitioning was that one of my children would want to follow in my foot steps (even though I know its not hereditary) I have come to find that my boys enjoy being boys.....they think the girly stuff is quite boring and pretty stupid. In fact they have accepted the little girly stuff I do mange to do....but think its as silly as the girls they go to school with.

I can guarantee though if they could somehow obtain super powers by looking like a girl they may think twice about it!!

This show is about how opposite genders view one another and that's it!! I thought it was really cute!!

I just wish it would have been around when I was young....I would of enjoyed it for different reasons though....and I would of dreamed every night about finding that ring!!

Quote from: Kibate on May 28, 2013, 02:39:22 PM
And since i was just talking about facts of Shezow, i feel kinda bummed out that you asked me personal questions. Don't get me wrong, i like those normally(i love to explain myself haha) but i'm afraid i will lose control and start to not be formal anymore... which is not good, considering i'm actually a pretty nice fella usually.^^"

I was just curious about your motivation. If it's truly so pure as ending misinformation and combating the endless horde of trolls, then you have my best wishes... but I don't envy you. How did this quest arise, if you don't mind? Why is it so important to you?

A part of why I ask is so that I can hopefully infer something that will reduce my level of apathy. We can take this off of the forums, if you feel that's best - I have Skype.

Kibate, please review TOS Rule #11, and leave the profanity off this site. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on May 28, 2013, 02:46:22 PMI was just curious about your motivation.

Hmm...well, i will write you a PM, we can keep it there, especially since it would start to go offtopic now.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on May 28, 2013, 02:47:40 PMKibate, please review TOS Rule #11, and leave the profanity off this site. Hugs, Devlyn

Sorry about that

Quote from: Kibate on May 28, 2013, 03:28:58 AM
Hello
I have found this thread on google, as i like to see reactions from people about this show, and looked through most of the posts here. As there seems to be quite some misinformation about the Show i figured i should clear some things up.

(Even though i have registered only to talk about Shezow here, i am not unfamiliar with transgender community, let's just leave it as that as this is not the topic at hand)

I am myself a fan of the show, i have seen all the episodes which are available currently(the show aired previously on a channel in australia before the Hub even heard about it. But they stopped airing it after episode 8 without any notice why. However we all assume it is NOT because of complains, as they would mentioned anything about it by now, and they started to reair the episodes again.) and i have read a lot what the Creator himself said about the Show, so i know a fair bit about the show.

First things first
Shezow is not about transgender. It can be barely called "Crossdressing", because even though he is a guy dressed in women's clothes, he doesn't identify with it.(in that aspect, its more of a "costume")
He starts to identify a bit with the Superhero persona, but not with the female dressing aspect of it.
Even though the commercials say he becomes a girl, he does not(!), the creator himself confirmed it is just crossdressing, not genderbending, if the voice isn't a give away to you.
He does not identify with transgender, girls or crossdressing, he is just doing it because he has to. But he doesn't have a problem with it either.
At first he was against it, but not because he thinks transgender/crossdressers are sick, but because...he is a 12 year old boy, who identifies as a boy, in a female uniform. If you identify yourself as a girl, how would you feel if you have to wear a male schooluniform? Right, it's like that.
Since episode 2 the crossdressing thing is almost never being mentioned again, as it is not the focus of show...technically speaking.
The rare instances that mention it are 2:
-In one episode he dreams of playing in a football game, while still wearing the Shezow dress, and his friends wonder "Why are you wearing a dress?" he answers with "So what i am wearing a dress" and thats it
-In another episode, a friendly creature wonders "Since when is Shezow a boy? ... Not that there is anything wrong with it." again, that's it
So as you can see, it's almost never a topic of the show, not even played for laughs(aside the first episode for like 1 minute top), and if it is being mentioned, it's NOT seen as something stupid or funny.

As for sexism:
A lot of people complain that the Shezow costume(which was worn by female heroes prior to the protagonist of the show) is playing too much of a stereotype of a girl. You know, laserLIPSTICK, bommerrangBRUSH, superEYELASHES and so on. While that is true, the intention is not of mocking such things, but for appreciating it, it's being played for coolness, not for laughs. Also it is never implied all girls(or boys) should be like this, on the contrary, the female cast of the show all have different and unique personalities.
There is even one episode(which is not available yet, but some images got leaked with the creator himself talking about it) with a person form an parallel universe, which is a girl who gets a mans superhero uniform.
The creator even had a team of female co workers look over the script to avoid any accidentally provocation, to avoid the sexism card.

As you can see, it is just what it looks like, another random cartoon for kids.

Even the HUB himself has tested this Show on a possible audience to make sure it's safe.

If you have any questions regarding the show i will try to answer them.  I don't like the spreading of false information. (which as you can imagine happens a lot of the show)



Civility edit

Thank you!!! I think you summed it up well....in fact I don't even see some of the minor cross dressing issues you mentioned.

If anything....this is a cartoon defending feminism....but I really don't even see that too much....its about a boy disliking all the icky girl things...but then having to look like one to have his super powers.

Thank you for you unbiased opinion!

Quote from: Kibate on May 28, 2013, 02:53:17 PM
Hmm...well, i will write you a PM, we can keep it there, especially since it would start to go offtopic now.

After 15 posts, additional aspects of the site will open to you, including the use of the personal messaging utility.

Thank you for posting your insight into the show.

I would like that ring! Make me cute and female!

Quote from: learningtolive on May 28, 2013, 11:40:38 AM
Well, it's true that people could blend into the glam seen and get away with gender bending. But in the long term it did nothing to advance the trans community.

While the show is trying to be humorous, they don't do it in a malicious way.  Sometimes humour is a way to translate important messages.  How do we know the show won't make statements here and there about crossdressing and say it's okay to be yourself?  It might end up doing so.  I doubt it will have any impact either way, but it doesn't bother me.

I'm not so sure we can claim that glam rock didn't do anything for the trans community, I'll grant you men are not in the same place of being able to wear makeup et al that they could under the title glam rock, but who's to say what seeds it set in society that have been added to and has got us to where we are today, and who's to say that Shezow wont plant a few more seeds in the field of acceptance,  No, neither of them will be the revolution, but so long as its not hate or intolerance, and  even if there is humour involved it will lead us closer to people being aware and hopefully eventual acceptance.

If anyone is interested, here is the Shezow concept pilot, from Shorty McShorty's Shorts:

http://www.viddler.com/v/d0371341 (http://www.viddler.com/v/d0371341)

{With great responsibility comes ... great hair)

I think it's kind of a cute cartoon myself  :)

Some fan-art on how Shezow might look in real life.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth06.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2FPRE%2Ff%2F2013%2F020%2F3%2F7%2Fshezow_4_by_sturkwurk-d5s5waa.jpg&hash=d272e824a266a3a0032d70f6eaccfd719b9bb044)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F0-media-cdn.foolz.us%2Fffuuka%2Fboard%2Fco%2Fthumb%2F1358%2F06%2F1358065920098s.jpg&hash=11cee4c87ad694b0b35dd067f4a609904b2f1d08)

I think she's cute.  The artist (left) is "sturkwurk" on DeviantART.  (This might have been "Aunt Agnes" the previous Shezow)
The picture on the right is by "mad note 1984."  It seems to better depict a 12-year old boy/girl.

Got to like the lipstick case laser sword!

Well this didn't take long: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero)

Quote from: Joanna Dark on May 28, 2013, 05:42:55 PM
Well this didn't take long: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero)

Would you take a look at those comments? Hundreds of people (I'm counting all the likes per comment too) are using this show as an excuse to attack trans people.

People can say that Shezow isn't transsexual all they want, doesn't mean that he won't be *perceived* as transsexual.

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Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 05:46:06 PM
Would you take a look at those comments? Hundreds of people (I'm counting all the likes per comment too) are using this show as an excuse to attack trans people.

People can say that Shezow isn't transsexual all they want, doesn't mean that he won't be *perceived* as transsexual.

Yeah I totally agree I mean the comments are horrnedous and it is pretty obvious trans hatred. I don't think that was the show's intention but it is its effect. At least with some people cause they have trouble separating things.

I won't read the comments for my own sanity, but I suspect I know what is being said.  This doesn't mean the show will have an overall negative impact.  Of course certain people are gong to be up in arms about it, but it doesn't reflect everyone's views.  Also, the readership and authors of Breitbart.com are likely going to have a skewed interpretation of this cartoon as it isn't the most balanced site.  You can't judge the impact of something based solely on the response of reactionaries.  You need an overall picture.  Still, of course there will be backlash in some media resources.  It's easy to make a sensationalist story about moral degradation and the destruction of traditional values which tends to get lots of attention and hits.

 People can be really disappointing a lot of the time...

Quote from: Joanna Dark on May 28, 2013, 05:42:55 PM
Well this didn't take long: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero)

I signed up and commented:

I am a little bit disturbed by all the invective here. First of all, the cartoon is not about transsexuals or transgenders. It is about a boy who made the mistake of putting on a superheroine ring. It has already been shown in Australia. You can find episodes on the net. It is not what the author of the article makes it out to be. If you disapprove of the cartoon, don't let your kids watch it - pretty simple.

I'm not MTF, so perhaps my take on this is slightly different than someone who is, but I don't find it as the worst show in the world. Does it irritate me that so often MTFs are exploited as nothing more than humor gags in cartoons and television shows? Absolutely. Would I love to watch a show like this where the main character actually had legitimate transgender feelings (such as one where a transgirl who has yet to come out has the opportunity to be a superhero who is clearly read as female, allowing her to be who she is until she is able to come out)?  YES! And that made me hope that someday, there is one. I don't appreciate the use of humor at transgender expense, but I personally wouldn't mind using it to explain my situation to my nephew if he were familiar with the show. (I've yet to come out to him and I am waiting to do so until after I've begun hormones, at my sister's request.)

Quote from: Joanna Dark on May 28, 2013, 05:42:55 PM
Well this didn't take long: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-transsexual-superhero)

Lol @ pervert their children..

per·vert  (pr-vûrt)
1. To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.

Based on their comments i'd say their kids already get enough perversion from their parents at home.

Quote from: Miss Bungle on May 28, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
Good point.

Just like the argument I always heard about "the media makes kids learn swearwords". This obviously was never the case. You know where I learned to swear?

From my dad.

My mom was quite the linguist  ::)

So after reading the comments on that site, my original opinion stands, nothing but bad, bad, bad news for us and will only open us to more ridicule and possibly increased risk for aggression from parents who feel we are "pushing the homosexual addenda on there kids in an attempt to" blah blah blah blah we all herd the rest all ready. Other countries may be more friendly and more open to the show, but most of the US.sadly isn't.

Quote from: Miss Bungle on May 28, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
Good point.

Just like the argument I always heard about "the media makes kids learn swearwords". This obviously was never the case. You know where I learned to swear?

From my dad.

Hum... I think the real argument we always heard is : "F***k ! I'm Pi*** off by these f***king media learning swearwords to our children !!"  --'

Quote from: kariann330 on May 28, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
So after reading the comments on that site, my original opinion stands, nothing but bad, bad, bad news for us and will only open us to more ridicule and possibly increased risk for aggression from parents who feel we are "pushing the homosexual addenda on there kids in an attempt to" blah blah blah blah we all herd the rest all ready. Other countries may be more friendly and more open to the show, but most of the US.sadly isn't.

The haters are going to hate, what's the alternative, hide, keep quiet? we wont get anywhere that way.  The Blacks went through it, the gays went trough it, the hate is the strongest when they are loosing the argument. But the more people exposed to the idea that crossing gender lines is no big deal, then that is a step in the right direction and eventually the mainstream will become desensitised and bored and the haters will finally shut up when they no longer have the ear of the majority.

Plus, children can be quite persuasive in changing parents ideas

Quote from: Debbie55 on May 29, 2013, 03:14:32 AM
The haters are going to hate, what's the alternative, hide, keep quiet? we wont get anywhere that way.  The Blacks went through it, the gays went trough it, the hate is the strongest when they are loosing the argument. But the more people exposed to the idea that crossing gender lines is no big deal, then that is a step in the right direction and eventually the mainstream will become desensitised and bored and the haters will finally shut up when they no longer have the ear of the majority.

Plus, children can be quite persuasive in changing parents ideas

Idk but, you have a way of easing my mind. All your posts just make too much sense ???

Quote from: Debbie55 on May 29, 2013, 03:14:32 AM
The haters are going to hate, what's the alternative, hide, keep quiet? we wont get anywhere that way.  The Blacks went through it, the gays went trough it, the hate is the strongest when they are loosing the argument. But the more people exposed to the idea that crossing gender lines is no big deal, then that is a step in the right direction and eventually the mainstream will become desensitised and bored and the haters will finally shut up when they no longer have the ear of the majority.

Plus, children can be quite persuasive in changing parents ideas

Most of the time the haters aren't even the majority...it's just that the people in between ignoring the hate and propagating it...well they usually choose to spread the hate first because it makes then feel good.

The mentality goes something like "If I'm suffering, all of you freaks should have to suffer as well!".

Could we not make collectives out of groups, eg. The Blacks, The Gays, The Jews, Etc.

It dehumanizes groups of people when you lump them all together as an amorphous blob under one label...that would be like calling us "The Transgenders".

No, It's gay people, transgender people, black people, Jewish people...etc.

Other than that...what your saying will eventually happen...it's just our responsibility as transgender people to keep educating people by being out and talking a little bit about it. If you can't be out for safety reasons...that's understandable. But there is no way were going to break the stereotypes if we are invisible. I am in no way saying that you have to tell every person you meet "Im Transgender", just if the opportunity arises.

Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 05:46:06 PM
Would you take a look at those comments? Hundreds of people (I'm counting all the likes per comment too) are using this show as an excuse to attack trans people.

People can say that Shezow isn't transsexual all they want, doesn't mean that he won't be *perceived* as transsexual.

Even if the show didn't exist, they'd comment on something else anyways.

Quote from: toxicblue on May 29, 2013, 11:15:41 AM
Even if the show didn't exist, they'd comment on something else anyways.

People need a scapegoat for all of their pain, suffering, and issues. Rather than dealing with their own crap, they would rather throw their hatred and ignorance at anything that looks vulnerable.

I dub thee masses...sheeple!

Quote from: kyh on May 29, 2013, 03:22:17 AM
Idk but, you have a way of easing my mind. All your posts just make too much sense ???

Thanks, but I worry if i'm making sense lol.

Quote from: kkut on May 29, 2013, 09:49:45 AM
I'll applaud her for you...  +1

Wow, thanks

Quote from: Skye-Blue on May 29, 2013, 10:13:46 AM
Most of the time the haters aren't even the majority...it's just that the people in between ignoring the hate and propagating it...well they usually choose to spread the hate first because it makes then feel good.

The mentality goes something like "If I'm suffering, all of you freaks should have to suffer as well!".

Yeah, its the crowd mentality, I notice if there is an online newspaper article and if the first comments are positive then it will likely end up as a minor derailment, but if the haters get in first then it usually ends up a total train wreck

Quote from: Skye-Blue on May 29, 2013, 10:13:46 AM
Could we not make collectives out of groups, eg. The Blacks, The Gays, The Jews, Etc.

It dehumanizes groups of people when you lump them all together as an amorphous blob under one label...that would be like calling us "The Transgenders".

No, It's gay people, transgender people, black people, Jewish people...etc.

Other than that...what your saying will eventually happen...it's just our responsibility as transgender people to keep educating people by being out and talking a little bit about it. If you can't be out for safety reasons...that's understandable. But there is no way were going to break the stereotypes if we are invisible. I am in no way saying that you have to tell every person you meet "Im Transgender", just if the opportunity arises.

Yeah sorry I was uneasy using those terms but figured as I wasn't attaching any hate to their use I may be ok, I kind of figured we all knew we weren't talking about cats but your right it sounds better your way, I would edit, but as its quoted now it seems moot.

Quote
Yeah sorry I was uneasy using those terms but figured as I wasn't attaching any hate to their use I may be ok, I kind of figured we all knew we weren't talking about cats but your right it sounds better your way, I would edit, but as its quoted now it seems moot.

It's all good, I just figured I would point it out. I didn't think you intended to use it in a negative way. :)

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Introduce Your Children To 'SheZow' The Transgender Super Hero  (http://www.infowars.com/introduce-your-children-to-shezow-the-transgender-super-hero/)

QuoteDonna Anderson
Infowars.com
July 8, 2013

Just now saw this ! My fav "AlexJones Channel" gave this a positive review overall and the comments listed were nominally accepting, 'mixed' at worst !!

I 'ave been "OUT" on another very popular predominately "hetero male" forum (spend more time there than here) and, if serious 'bout being 'mainstream', have to learn to take the good with the bad.