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Sorry for the title but i couldn't figure a better title for it....but any who, im wondering if anyone did or thought about doing drag shows at any point in there transition? I have thought about it just cuz well im broke lol.

Drag is a legitimate form of gender expression.  I see no problem with doing it.

We have some pre- and post-op members who do/have done exotic dancing too.  It pays the bills.

The more masculine your body is, the more likely it is you'll have a successful career. That's at least what I've gathered from the drag community.

It kinda makes sense if you think about it. If you get a 6' drag queen with broad shoulders that looks female, people get entertainment. If you get a short, petite transsexual that nobody can believe is a "guy", you get disbelief.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I agree with Alainaluvsu about being the more masculine relates to more success. Look at how famous Rue Paul was for a while.

I LUV drag queens! I don't do it because I don't have the talent.

I dont see anything wrong with it, I would love to do a drag show..

But look very female... so might not be very successful...plus I don't have rhythm  :(


also would love to try exotic dancing, i love my body and am not shy being topless... I have a wild dreams to become an exotic dancer after srs.. but again no rhythm..

my gym offer pole dancing classes.. hmmm maybe i should sign up..

Quote from: noleen111 on June 20, 2013, 03:13:48 PM
I dont see anything wrong with it, I would love to do a drag show..

But look very female... so might not be very successful...plus I don't have rhythm  :(


also would love to try exotic dancing, i love my body and am not shy being topless... I have a wild dreams to become an exotic dancer after srs.. but again no rhythm..

my gym offer pole dancing classes.. hmmm maybe i should sign up..

I think you'll be OK without the rythem. Dancing skills is the last thing on poeple's minds when they're watching exotic dancers.

I know there's one type of pole I'd like to dance with, but sadly, I don't have the right equipment.  >:(

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fivyleagueinsecurities.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F10%2Fpole-dance.jpg&hash=e0a67198f364fa3892233ab525ff4a4d9846ebfa)

I dont see anything wrong with it and a great way to make money. In Thailand they have these great Drag Shows (Katoey Shows) with post and pre op, some are fab looking and other play on their manly looks and are the comedians. Thai men love Katoeys and being a Buddist country there is no stigma attached. Be careful as this may not be the case in other countries.

Go for it yeh

I've thought about it, but not for money. I figure there's not a person on this planet that knows more about how to feminize the male body than a drag queen. I'd consider it a great learning experience.

I don't see anything wrong with it, but I wouldn't do it. I'd rather be perceived as a woman than a man dressing up. Of course the makeup style would change for the show vs real life, but I don't want to keep the masculinity if at all possible.

Quote from: kariann330 on June 19, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
Sorry for the title but i couldn't figure a better title for it....but any who, im wondering if anyone did or thought about doing drag shows at any point in there transition? I have thought about it just cuz well im broke lol.

Kia Ora Kariann,

You might find this link/old thread an interesting read...

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,97586.msg1081538.html#msg1081538 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,97586.msg1081538.html#msg1081538)

Metta Zenda :)

I did performances for years

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1129.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm515%2FMandy_Dawn1%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=c6a0cb1bb08a60dec9804d59e8d05d1d0377d650) (http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/Mandy_Dawn1/media/photo.jpg.html)

drag queens have forgotten more about makeup and low dollar passing techniques then any 20 CIS women put together. I learned so much from them. just be careful and don't get sucked into the drama that goes along with it a lot of queens view this as their job and career not just something for fun.

Quote from: mandyh92 on June 21, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
drag queens have forgotten more about makeup and low dollar passing techniques then any 20 CIS women put together. I learned so much from them.

Care to share? I could use all the low dollar passing techniques I can find.

For instance....

1. Use orange lipstick as a beard cover then blend over with your foundation it will last all day
2. Hair spray all over face will help stop makeup from running when you sweat.
3. Duct tape will give you amazing cleavage.
4. most queens wear who don't shave their legs will wear 3 to 4 pairs of nude hose and it covers well
5. always at least 3 gridels, 1st one a size smaller then actually needed IE if you wear a large use a medium for first,2nd will be normal size,and last one will be normal but put on backwards(doing this plumps up butt to make look bigger and fuller)
6. Cover girl does not cover guy (one of their classic sayings) always use pan stick,or grease paint from costume store for stage nothing with any SPF in it cause it will turn green under stage lights and u will have a green face.
7. on non stage outings only 6 layer, moisturizer,foundation,contour,eyes,lips.blush a lot more steps for stage
8. shop at goodwill
9. Any piece of jewelry can be an earring with enough super glue
10. fake eyelashes are a must(I HATE THEM)


this is my drag mom :-) she is 98% deaf and does not have hearing aids in when performing she keeps track of the music by the bass.


Mysti Dawn Talent Miss Brickhouse 2011 High Definition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9Ah9MlOYU#)

soooo much more I cant even list all any questions just let me know.

I haven't performed in well over a year and miss it soo much. I am getting the bug again and think I might want to do a Diva show sometime soon. Female performers who dress in drag are considered Divas and in my opinion that is the way to start presenting yourself then you wont get the queen stigma. I quit performing cause people would see me out and say OO do you have show, why are you in drag today? ect.....

Quote from: mandyh92 on June 22, 2013, 08:46:08 AM
soooo much more I cant even list all any questions just let me know.

How do they achieve hairless neck/shoulders/upper chest?

I remember one of the most famous drag show places ever called Finocchio's Night Club San Francisco circa 1978-83 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTU4o6VZ324#)

Here's another in Boston: http://www.jacques-cabaret.com (http://www.jacques-cabaret.com)

I'm waay differant ..
Drag queens freak me the bleep out....

Well I was bullied and harrassed once in a homo bar...
And they looked like...freaky ..Maybe the acid I took also
Messed with my perception ...but. I rememrbet starinf and
Im totally grossed out...

Point to remember drag queens are nothing like girlie and
Threaten like a man and probably fight like one...LOL

Quote from: kariann330 on June 19, 2013, 05:54:12 PMI have thought about it just cuz well im broke lol.

lol Have good friend Jackson Heights NY who stages drag shows all the time in the gay community but, the prob with that, is they just don't 'make money' it's usually done for Prizes !!!!

Club Evolution Jackson Heights NY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmBZHFMNq-M) (was once 'guest of honor' for 'coming out' party but I was on stage NOT  ??? )

Most drag queens are pre-op and do NOT want to be women !!!

( Eddie's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/eddievalentin.evolution) - there is always something going on either here or in Columbia lol if ya like 'guy bodies' this is the place (https://www.facebook.com/friendstavern) they've always been very supportive of 'trans' unlike 'feminists'!!)

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 22, 2013, 09:58:03 AM
How do they achieve hairless neck/shoulders/upper chest?

Chest is the easiest, here is what I did ymmv.

1. duct tape start just below armpit on one side pull hard toward center, take other side of chest and push up towards center then with other hand put tape over following to other armpit. this will give you and ample cleavage look. now get a bra with 1 band size smaller then what you would normally wear ie I wear 46C so If I am going for a cleavage night out I will wear a 44C it is tight and sometimes hard to breathe but beauty is pain(as betty white said "Why grow a pair of balls, they are weak and fragile. Grow a vagina, they can take a pounding."). Don't use push up bras as they will make ur duct tape mounds look to fake use a regular non wire old school walmart bra.

2. Always shave with ice cubes. Take handful of ice cube or a FREEZING cold shower and shave then. hot water relaxs skin and makes hair lie down something about the really cold makes the hair stand up and you get a closer shave.

3. If you have "man hands" bracelets are your best friends maybe even a watch...in public have a subtle French tip mani nothing outrageous you want a glance not a stare at your fingures. On stage go crazy dollar general press ons with a ton of super glue are your best friend

 :police:

All right, that's enough of that. This site is set up to provide support for ALL transgender people, and that includes Drag Kings and Queens. There's nothing supportive about being told you creep someone out. There is plenty of disrespect from outside our community, there shouldn't be any from within. Here is our site mission:

Every one is welcome at Susan's Place provided you follow a few basic rules: This site is an open support area, and is not generally sexually oriented. The purpose of this site is to provide peer support, and to provide a forum for the discussion of issues related to gender and may include Transsexualism, Transvestism, Crossdressing, or other related topics. This web site exists to offer constructive input and support. 

A few rules to keep in mind:

9. If you disagree with transgender individuals, or activities which cross gender boundaries take your arguments to a more appropriate web site.

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella termSuggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

I will take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who is, or was offended by the posts in this thread.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 22, 2013, 04:59:29 PM
:police:

All right, that's enough of that. This site is set up to provide support for ALL transgender people, and that includes Drag Kings and Queens. There's nothing supportive about being told you creep someone out. There is plenty of disrespect from outside our community, there shouldn't be any from within. Here is our site mission:

Every one is welcome at Susan's Place provided you follow a few basic rules: This site is an open support area, and is not generally sexually oriented. The purpose of this site is to provide peer support, and to provide a forum for the discussion of issues related to gender and may include Transsexualism, Transvestism, Crossdressing, or other related topics. This web site exists to offer constructive input and support.

A few rules to keep in mind:

9. If you disagree with transgender individuals, or activities which cross gender boundaries take your arguments to a more appropriate web site.

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella termSuggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

I will take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who is, or was offended by the posts in this thread.

Only thing that offended me was the "homo bar" comment but my phone died before i could hit report, but since you already got on that person for the rest of there post ill politely tip my hat and bid you good day....sorry im in a goofy mood lol

Can you still do drag if you look like a woman? I'm pretty petite at 5'5 (I was 5'6) and 134 lbs but I'm still MAAB and trans so I feel like I should be able to but IDK. It seems like a fun way to finance my transition and at the same time meet all types of fun, awesome people. Can hormonally transitioning peoples do drag or no?

BTW Mandy you look fabulous in that pic!

first, i agree mandy, you look great in that picture.

ok, and yes transitioning folks fit just fine into drag shows. i was just at one last week and one if the queens looked like she was born and raised a woman. She was a great success with the crowd. She did a comedy piece, which drove her point home, but i don't think you'd have to. also, if you have reached the point in your transition where you can't pass for your birth sex any longer, some people find it fun to reverse crossdress and do shows as drag kings instead, but i think that is one of those love it or leave it things. It could work in your favor though for people to see it like you always did, a woman playing a man

[addendum: i realized after posting this that i don't know your story, and its wrong of me to make assumptions. i'm sorry if i was off track]

Quote from: youknowwynn on June 23, 2013, 04:35:48 AM
first, i agree mandy, you look great in that picture.

ok, and yes transitioning folks fit just fine into drag shows. i was just at one last week and one if the queens looked like she was born and raised a woman. She was a great success with the crowd. She did a comedy piece, which drove her point home, but i don't think you'd have to. also, if you have reached the point in your transition where you can't pass for your birth sex any longer, some people find it fun to reverse crossdress and do shows as drag kings instead, but i think that is one of those love it or leave it things. It could work in your favor though for people to see it like you always did, a woman playing a man

[addendum: i realized after posting this that i don't know your story, and its wrong of me to make assumptions. i'm sorry if i was off track]

You got it completely right! I didn't feel like you were making any assumptions whatsoever. What assumptions did you think you were making? Sorry I'm too curious lol you don't have to say if you don't want to, obviously.

Quote from: youknowwynn on June 23, 2013, 04:35:48 AM
first, i agree mandy, you look great in that picture.

ok, and yes transitioning folks fit just fine into drag shows. i was just at one last week and one if the queens looked like she was born and raised a woman. She was a great success with the crowd. She did a comedy piece, which drove her point home, but i don't think you'd have to. also, if you have reached the point in your transition where you can't pass for your birth sex any longer, some people find it fun to reverse crossdress and do shows as drag kings instead, but i think that is one of those love it or leave it things. It could work in your favor though for people to see it like you always did, a woman playing a man

[addendum: i realized after posting this that i don't know your story, and its wrong of me to make assumptions. i'm sorry if i was off track]

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 22, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
Can you still do drag if you look like a woman? I'm pretty petite at 5'5 (I was 5'6) and 134 lbs but I'm still MAAB and trans so I feel like I should be able to but IDK. It seems like a fun way to finance my transition and at the same time meet all types of fun, awesome people. Can hormonally transitioning peoples do drag or no?

BTW Mandy you look fabulous in that pic!

Thank you so much for those comments it makes me smile ear to ear :-) , doing shows has been my achillies heel for quit sometime now. Besides the fact that I can deffinatly use the money and a good entertainer will make $150-$200 on a slow night, I have been been dealing with the stigma of everyone knowing me as a queen. Once you get that queen label it is almost impossible to shake off.  that pic was before any hrt before any sort of transition if you read my blog on here "Locked out Heaven" that was actually my first show ever. If going into this and you already appear feminine then please start off performing as a diva and tell as few as people as possible if any about trans status.  If you are like me and a lesbian once you get the title of queen you are considered a gay male in 99% of peoples eyes and it is impossible to break that misconception. I basically had to stop going to the bar I loved to hang out and perform in due to the fact I would always always get the comment "You like girls???" they just assumed I only like men and it was a lesbian bar.

Quote from: mandyh92 on June 25, 2013, 08:27:35 AM
If you are like me and a lesbian once you get the title of queen you are considered a gay male in 99% of peoples eyes and it is impossible to break that misconception. I basically had to stop going to the bar I loved to hang out and perform in due to the fact I would always always get the comment "You like girls???" they just assumed I only like men and it was a lesbian bar.

You can always count on something to put a damper on a good thing huh Mandy? I think you're terrific hon, you're giving a few gals with limited income something decent to consider rather than resorting to porn or street sex for SRS money like we know happens.

I know I'm kicking my own butt right now for living out in BFE. If i were to go to a bar or club i would have at least an hour drive if not longer...each way.

Dunno, I'm not sure it would do. For one, it's sort of "cheating" because typically a drag queen isn't trans. And it might not be as entertaining, because as far as I know, a drag-queen is entertaining because he (because yeah, in normally a drag-queen is a he) walks the line between feminity and masculinity and crosses it back and forth. For example, once, my sister brought me to a drag queen cabaret, and to the people present, it seemed that the entertainment was half from seeing a sexy-looking girl speak like a guy and flirt, and half from the comical content.

Oh yeah, and also... Normally a drag-queen is male. If do drag shows, people will see you as a guy who crossdresses for fun/profit. Do you really want that?

Quote from: A on June 25, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
Dunno, I'm not sure it would do. For one, it's sort of "cheating" because typically a drag queen isn't trans. And it might not be as entertaining, because as far as I know, a drag-queen is entertaining because he (because yeah, in normally a drag-queen is a he) walks the line between feminity and masculinity and crosses it back and forth. For example, once, my sister brought me to a drag queen cabaret, and to the people present, it seemed that the entertainment was half from seeing a sexy-looking girl speak like a guy and flirt, and half from the comical content.

Oh yeah, and also... Normally a drag-queen is male. If do drag shows, people will see you as a guy who crossdresses for fun/profit. Do you really want that?

That stigma is a lot better then being a disabled 28yr old republican with a southern drawl livin north of the Masson Dixon line. Because of the TOS i can't say about half of what i get called when someone sees my Chevy 2500HD (6in suspension lift, 4 inches body lift, 22.5in mud tires, camouflage running boards, dual 6in smoke stacks and a brush/push guard up front with a diesel under the hood) let alone when i open my mouth lol.

Quote from: A on June 25, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
Dunno, I'm not sure it would do. For one, it's sort of "cheating" because typically a drag queen isn't trans. And it might not be as entertaining, because as far as I know, a drag-queen is entertaining because he (because yeah, in normally a drag-queen is a he) walks the line between feminity and masculinity and crosses it back and forth. For example, once, my sister brought me to a drag queen cabaret, and to the people present, it seemed that the entertainment was half from seeing a sexy-looking girl speak like a guy and flirt, and half from the comical content.

Oh yeah, and also... Normally a drag-queen is male. If do drag shows, people will see you as a guy who crossdresses for fun/profit. Do you really want that?

This is kinda what I thought. And normally I wouldn't care what people thought of me but if I became close to the people there I would want to be seen as either female or trans female. But yeah I don't even know what I would do onstage if I did it and being on HRT prolly is a lil like cheating and people would be like why is a woman doing drag. But maybe not? Maybe I could be the world's prettiest drag queen. I would only do it to finance transition kinda like that movie Flawless.