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Hi my names Lilyyy I'm a MTF transsexual still in hiding.

now i know its weird to pst here coz i'm mtf not FTM but I was reading about this Chris Lilley tv show in my country about a surfer who lived in Nambucca Heads who got his balls shot off in a gunfight. well, in it he couldn't surf anymore because he had no balls but in the end he got an artificial balls transplant and he was finally confident enough to surf again. i was wondering if this was possible for ftms so they can naturally produce T. I know Mtfs aren't as lucky as we have no ovaries and never will, therefore never naturally produce oestrogen without pills / injections. so are ftms luckier than us in that they get to have testicles even though we never get our ovaries?

Thanks guys

<3 Lilyyy

Only fake ones made of silicone.

In a word, no.

That show's a 'mockumentary': i.e. a fake documentary where events have been exaggerated for comedic effect.

There have been some real-life cases of cisgendered men who have lost their testicles for various reasons. In these cases, they have the option of having artificial testicles implanted - but the clue is in the word 'artificial'. They would probably be made of silicone and are pretty much like breast implants. So no, they don't function like normal testicles; they don't produce hormones; they don't make someone fertile. 

In the case of the show you watched, they would be purely for cosmetic reasons, and you'll probably find he'd want them because he lacked self-confidence in a wetsuit or something. So once he looked more 'natural', he felt confident to wear a tight-fitting wetsuit so he could surf again. He'd probably need to have hormone supplements too, because his body would no longer produce them properly. Just like FtMs would need hormone supplements.

(And yes, we can choose to get those artificial implants too, if we want them. Again, they're purely for cosmetic reasons).

Why would not having balls prevent him from surfing?

I think the O/P is having some fun with us.

Kind of reminds me of Commander Up in Starship.

Testicular implants exist.

Yeah, we can if we want them. Personally, I do not see the point behind having fake balls. They're just sort of...there. I can understand why some guys would want them. I'm just not one of those guys.

And no one, ftm or mtf, can have working sex organs implanted at this point in time. Science and medicine are still lagging behind in this department. We can hope that they will catch up with our dreams and needs in our lifetimes. I wouldn't hold my breath, though. You're way more likely to die of asphyxiation.  :P

Quote from: zombieinc on July 02, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
And no one, ftm or mtf, can have working sex organs implanted at this point in time. Science and medicine are still lagging behind in this department. We can hope that they will catch up with our dreams and needs in our lifetimes. I wouldn't hold my breath, though. You're way more likely to die of asphyxiation.  :P

Depends on your definition of "working." Mine certainly work well.

Quote from: Nygeel on July 02, 2013, 12:53:46 PM
Depends on your definition of "working." Mine certainly work well.

I would think he means ones appropriate to our gender identity made of biological tissue with the capability of producing the appropriate hormones we use HRT to have in our systems and the reproductive cells of the sex we are transitioning to. Which is entirely possible at the moment, just difficult, unavailable at the moment, not a highly funded field (even for cispeople who are lacking those organs from an accident or defect), and when it is available will be ridiculously expensive.

I know that part peeves me a lot and I don't see why I can't have the same biological functions as a cismale even if I don't plan on having kids, just to feel "normal" in that sense.

QuoteI would think he means ones appropriate to our gender identity made of biological tissue with the capability of producing the appropriate hormones we use HRT to have in our systems and the reproductive cells of the sex we are transitioning to. Which is entirely possible at the moment, just difficult, unavailable at the moment, not a highly funded field (even for cispeople who are lacking those organs from an accident or defect), and when it is available will be ridiculously expensive.

I know that part peeves me a lot and I don't see why I can't have the same biological functions as a cismale even if I don't plan on having kids, just to feel "normal" in that sense.

Yes, this is what I meant. Most of us have functional downstairs, so to speak. It's just not the downstairs we would like to have.

I wasn't aware of any of things you mentioned in response though. Is it really possible? I would like to think that it would be important enough to research, if not for us, then for cisgendered folks.

It most definitely will be expensive, that much we can be for certain.

Do you have sources that actually state that it's possible? I'd love to see them if you do. I'm a science geek.

I too am peeved that I can't have those biological functions. I also think that the lack of biological functions or even satisfactory functions for ftms is a big deal when it come to the final stages of transition.

I'd like to see more about this ball-less surfer. I have surfed and went bodyboarding for decades without testicles. I wonder if they increase buoyancy.  :laugh:

As others have stated, yeah we can get testicular implants. I kinda question if I would ever go that route. I'd worry about introducing something foreign into my body just for aesthetic appeal. Would they have to be replaced eventually? What if you got kicked or racked yourself...would they burst?

From Wikipedia:

Angry Boys is an Australian television mockumentary series written by and starring Chris Lilley. Continuing the mockumentary style of his previous series, the show explores the issues faced by young males in the 21st century – their influences, their pressures, their dreams and ambitions. In Angry Boys, Lilley plays multiple characters: S.mouse, an American rapper; Jen, a manipulative Japanese mother; Blake Oakfield, a champion surfer; Ruth "Gran" Sims, a guard at a juvenile detention facility; and her grandchildren, South Australian twins Daniel and Nathan Sims.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 02, 2013, 03:06:28 PM
From Wikipedia:

Angry Boys is an Australian television mockumentary series written by and starring Chris Lilley. Continuing the mockumentary style of his previous series, the show explores the issues faced by young males in the 21st century – their influences, their pressures, their dreams and ambitions. In Angry Boys, Lilley plays multiple characters: S.mouse, an American rapper; Jen, a manipulative Japanese mother; Blake Oakfield, a champion surfer; Ruth "Gran" Sims, a guard at a juvenile detention facility; and her grandchildren, South Australian twins Daniel and Nathan Sims.

Its a very funny show, but no where near as good as Summer Heights High.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 02, 2013, 11:09:15 AM
I think the O/P is having some fun with us.

I don't find this reminder that I'll never have the biological dick and balls necessary to have biological kids with the woman of my dreams to be very funny.

Quote from: WileyCoyote on July 02, 2013, 11:42:30 PM
I don't find this reminder that I'll never have the biological dick and balls necessary to have biological kids with the woman of my dreams to be very funny.

If they are having fun at you guys, I think a ban would be in order.

Quote from: Nicole on July 02, 2013, 11:45:51 PM
If they are having fun at you guys, I think a ban would be in order.

Thank you, I agree.

Quote from: WileyCoyote on July 02, 2013, 11:49:32 PM
Thank you, I agree.

As do I, that's not very nice. I'll be withdrawing back into denial of my physiology now, thank you very much.

Quote from: WileyCoyote on July 02, 2013, 11:42:30 PM
I don't find this reminder that I'll never have the biological dick and balls necessary to have biological kids with the woman of my dreams to be very funny.

Why does someone always have to get upset? Lighten up, I didn't see anything directed at you. I don't have a typical wiener or balls either but got a laugh out of it.

I like you Wiley and I'm not picking on you. Just saying to not take things so personal.

Quote from: Nicole on July 02, 2013, 11:45:51 PM
If they are having fun at you guys, I think a ban would be in order.

I don't think you should be offering any advice on who should or should not be banned.

Quote from: Simon on July 03, 2013, 01:15:09 AM
Why does someone always have to get upset? Lighten up, I didn't see anything directed at you. I don't have a typical wiener or balls either but got a laugh out of it.

I like you Wiley and I'm not picking on you. Just saying to not take things so personal.

I don't think you should be offering any advice on who should or should not be banned.

Excuse me?

I think it's a far enough question. We discuss different types of surgeries and whatnot amongst ourselves, as well as prosthetics, so why can't someone ask if we get prosthetic testicles?

Quote from: Nicole on July 03, 2013, 01:18:12 AM
Excuse me?

Well, yes, it is called Rule #7 of the terms of service.

7. Leave moderation to the moderators! Susan and her staff are the only people who are authorized to deny anyone access to this web site including telling someone to leave, or to stop discussing a topic.  If someone wishes to discuss a subject that you are not interested in,  suggest a new subject; go to another of the many areas on this site; or ignore that person, topic, or discussion. If you feel a person's post violates the rules of this site use the report this post function.

While I might not like how the question was asked or the show referenced, Testicles are there.

I do know one genetic male who has an artificial testicle purely for aesthetic reasons.  I can see FtM's wanting this surgery.

By the way, they are something I wish I had not been born with.

I would like to have balls even if they were made of silicone.  With silicone balls you wouldn't curl up if you got hit in your balls like the cisguy do.  I often wonder how it feels to have them hanging between your legs.

Most men probably don't even think about them, they "just are".

From my perspective they were horrible, probably just as horrible as many FtM's feel about their breasts.

 Sarah Louise, I definitely agree ftm's feel their moobs must go, just in the way for everything they want to do.

Quote from: mm on July 03, 2013, 10:04:38 AM
With silicone balls you wouldn't curl up if you got hit in your balls like the cisguy do.

I dunno about all that. My fear is they would burst.  :o

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Unbreakable

Sort of on this topic, there was a story about artificial balls about 2 years ago and male dogs who were desexed.

They pretty much said that some dogs were so depressed at being desexed their owners were getting artificial balls for the dogs.

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Silicone

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Unbreakable

In the immortal words of AC/DC:  "She's got balls! "

Quote from: mm on July 03, 2013, 10:04:38 AM
I would like to have balls even if they were made of silicone.  With silicone balls you wouldn't curl up if you got hit in your balls like the cisguy do.  I often wonder how it feels to have them hanging between your legs.

It feels surprisingly good, actually. Mainly they're "invisible" (one does not notice them when dressed, that's the purpose of guy underwear, is to hold them so they don't move about), but if one goes au natural the slight side-to-side movement, the cool breeze...ah yes, fun times, fun times...

iirc, the ancients (Spartans? One of them thar peoples from 2000+ years ago) used to fight in the nude (except for sandals). That must've been really strange.

Quoteiirc, the ancients (Spartans? One of them thar peoples from 2000+ years ago) used to fight in the nude (except for sandals). That must've been really strange.

I've read that in ancient greece and rome, men did a lot athletic type things in the nude. Wrestling, boxing, swimming, foot races, gymnastics...they weren't ashamed or self-conscious about public nudity. And men didn't worry about being seen as gay or weird or whatnot for engaging in activities with other men whilst nude. Then again, ancient Rome is pretty well known for being a sexually open society, so it's not like being a homosexual or having multiple partners or being into non-mainstream sexual activities was looked down upon like it is in US society today.

Personally, I think that fighting in the nude was probably a really intense experience. You're totally exposed. You're going to fight extra hard to keep those parts protected, I think. And for bioguys, those parts are targets for your opponents. Cray, if you ask me.

QuoteSarah Louise, I definitely agree ftm's feel their moobs must go, just in the way for everything they want to do.

I look forward to the day when my chesticles // fatsacks // moobs are gone. I don't hate them, but I don't love them either. They are just "there" and mostly in the way. Tying this back to the commentary above, I usually work out topless at home. YMMV there, especially if your moobs are larger, but I have a better range of motion and can breathe better when I'm not being cut in half by a sports bra. My t-shirts get soaked in sweat by the halfway point anyway, so what's the point of wearing it after that?

Quote from: Nicole on July 03, 2013, 09:26:55 PM
Sort of on this topic, there was a story about artificial balls about 2 years ago and male dogs who were desexed.

They pretty much said that some dogs were so depressed at being desexed their owners were getting artificial balls for the dogs.

I believe you are referencing "neuticles," and those are more for the owners than the dogs.  I'm a little skeptical about the testimonials that claim it helps the dogs' self-esteem.

I can see the appeal of a person having silicone testicles, though.  I have always seen testicles as the weak spot on a guy, so I am actually grateful that I do not have them.  Seems like the silicone version should be less vulnerable, and I can't imagine solid silicone breaking ever.

Maybe it's just because I have a phantom set of 'em down there, but let me tell you...no matter what anatomy you have, you'd better protect your groin during a game of basketball. I'm stealth with this group of guys I was playing with and the ball decided to hit me there- boy did I go down hard. No need for an Oscar-worthy performance of pain there XD

I really do want something physical there so my brain has a complete and accurate map of my body, but when I do have that I'd really much rather have something made of real tissue...if it means waiting a while so be it.

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on July 04, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
Maybe it's just because I have a phantom set of 'em down there, but let me tell you...no matter what anatomy you have, you'd better protect your groin during a game of basketball. I'm stealth with this group of guys I was playing with and the ball decided to hit me there- boy did I go down hard. No need for an Oscar-worthy performance of pain there XD

I was kicked there, very hard, six years ago.  That's the only experience of pain that I can explicitly remember which wasn't something which wasn't something particularly memorable anyway, like breaking a bone in my hand or being hit by a van on a moped.  Actually, that's the only experience that makes me want to cringe in memory of the pain, and let me tell you, none of those other experiences were particularly pleasant...

Would I go for silicone balls?  I'm not sure.  I've seen photographs where they're too close to the body to both look realistic and be comfortable.  It was a bit of a hack job though, so I don't want to judge solely from that.  Thinking about it, it would be weird to have plastic sitting in your body, but whatever.  I'd only be wearing it over that part of me anyway.

Quote from: AlexanderC on July 04, 2013, 06:01:10 PM
Would I go for silicone balls?  I'm not sure.  I've seen photographs where they're too close to the body to both look realistic and be comfortable.

I'm pretty sure they drop after a while post op

Well obviously it is something some FTMs want-- think of the discussion of prosthetics (and packers) with 3D balls. I actually feel that they are supposed to be there. So when they warm to my body temp, I feel that they are part of me.

--Jay