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Title: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Kendall on June 18, 2007, 10:23:06 AM
Post by: Kendall on June 18, 2007, 10:23:06 AM
I was wondering how frequent and far people know you are androgyne. Not just a might guess, or transgender, but know the word androgyne and have been told that you are one by yourself or someone else that you have heard told them.
You can answer more than one answer (ex. yes best friend, my family, and partner knows).
You can answer more than one answer (ex. yes best friend, my family, and partner knows).
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My best friend 7 (22.6%)
Three people or more 6 (19.4%)
My partner 5 (16.1%)
I will tell more soon as I can 3 (9.7%)
Two people 3 (9.7%)
Therapist / Psychologist / Psychiatrist / Councilor 2 (6.5%)
No one at the moment. 1 (3.2%)
Some strangers 1 (3.2%)
One person 1 (3.2%)
My family 1 (3.2%)
No one will ever know 1 (3.2%)
No one, I just realized I am an androgyne, and havent told anyone yet. 0 (0%)
My coworkers / classmates 0 (0%)
I tell everyone 0 (0%)
I dont want to answer this poll 0 (0%)
The whole community 0 (0%)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: no_id on June 18, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
Post by: no_id on June 18, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
Hmm, tricky one to answer here since I'm still at the start of my self-discovery journey in this matter. However, at the same time I keep track, and explain everything in a public blog with a large amount of readers I do know (varying from online contacts to real life contacts), but also strangers (that may have picked up the link from one of my profiles) in order to vent, but also to give them some insight.
Therefore, the only person who truly matters to me in being aware of what I'm going through would be my mother, and until I tell her I don't feel less closeted than someone who keeps every single aspect of themselves secret. ;)
Therefore, the only person who truly matters to me in being aware of what I'm going through would be my mother, and until I tell her I don't feel less closeted than someone who keeps every single aspect of themselves secret. ;)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Pica Pica on June 18, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 18, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
hardly no one. but not cos i'm hiding it. i just don't think it would be very interesting or important. If it came up in conversation i would say, but really most people don't care.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Mia and Marq on June 18, 2007, 12:15:24 PM
Post by: Mia and Marq on June 18, 2007, 12:15:24 PM
We try and judge how each person we know might react and by laying out hints to test the water. We've managed to get on the topic with a number of people. I can think of 5 just off the top of my head. I tried to tell my parents and the conversation was going well when we got sidetracked and never returned to the subject.
Marq and Mia
Marq and Mia
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Intertween on June 18, 2007, 12:38:20 PM
Post by: Intertween on June 18, 2007, 12:38:20 PM
My partner.
I like Pica Pica's answer.
-- Sue
I like Pica Pica's answer.
-- Sue
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Nando on June 18, 2007, 01:18:42 PM
Post by: Nando on June 18, 2007, 01:18:42 PM
My best friend and ex-boyfriend know that I am an androgyne.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Shana A on June 18, 2007, 02:06:30 PM
Post by: Shana A on June 18, 2007, 02:06:30 PM
My immediate family, partner and many close friends know I'm transgender. Depending on the length of conversations we've had, I've likely also told them that I'm neither gender, none of the above or androgyne. Either everyone accepts me for who I am, or their eyes glazed over and they retained nothing I said ;D
zythyra
zythyra
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Lacey/James on June 20, 2007, 04:23:26 PM
Post by: Lacey/James on June 20, 2007, 04:23:26 PM
Um, no one.
Before I told two people I was trasngender, that was when I couldn't figure out exactly what I was, and they were all jokes.
And didn't think I was serious, even though I started crying at one point because of it.
So, yeah, I don't plan on telling anyone, unless there is somehow a surgery that makes me genderless.
Which I doubt, but yeah you never know.
-
RodgLace
Before I told two people I was trasngender, that was when I couldn't figure out exactly what I was, and they were all jokes.
And didn't think I was serious, even though I started crying at one point because of it.
So, yeah, I don't plan on telling anyone, unless there is somehow a surgery that makes me genderless.
Which I doubt, but yeah you never know.
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RodgLace
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Tay on June 20, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Tay on June 20, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
I don't know how many. My fiancée and my Owner both know. My friends on the Rainbow Connection guild on Gaiaonline.com all know. My ex was told, but never ever really seemed to acknowledge it--kept calling me hir little girlfriend or hir little fangirl, among other things. My friend Steve knows. He saw me posting about it once, so I told him. My friend Joey knows, but I hated telling him and I don't think he took me seriously. He's pressuring me to tell other people before I'm ready. Most of gaiaonline.com knows, now that I think about it, but I'm not sure they count.
I'm trying to think of ways to tell my high school best friend and my university best friend. My parents will never know.
I'm trying to think of ways to tell my high school best friend and my university best friend. My parents will never know.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: no_id on June 22, 2007, 11:00:01 AM
Post by: no_id on June 22, 2007, 11:00:01 AM
Minor update: I had a little chit-chat with my mother that was mostly countered with "Of course I know... You're my.. I'm your mother." (read: understanding), but also a messed up line: "I don't want you to socialise with Transsexuals"... Understandable, since I have to admit that Transsexuals do very much appear like aliens ready to abduct innocent, naive human beings and brainwash them (no really, I am being understanding ::))... And, the eventual moral is that upcoming monday we're heading to the libary to rent a book on ->-bleeped-<-. I was actually quite surprised that my library had one (two in total spread over my whole region consisting of five towns). :o
Right now I feel as if she can swing either way, but we'll see what adventures the future will bring. ;)
Right now I feel as if she can swing either way, but we'll see what adventures the future will bring. ;)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Kendall on June 22, 2007, 08:15:42 PM
Post by: Kendall on June 22, 2007, 08:15:42 PM
I am surprised at a few low answers.
My coworkers / classmates 0 (0%)
and
My family 1 (3.2%)
For some reason I thought these two would be higher.
The top 3 answers are good which almost half answered. If one has a partner and/or best friend, It must be the logical first person to want to tell.
My best friend 7 (22.6%)
Three people or more 6 (19.4%)
My partner 5 (16.1%)
My coworkers / classmates 0 (0%)
and
My family 1 (3.2%)
For some reason I thought these two would be higher.
The top 3 answers are good which almost half answered. If one has a partner and/or best friend, It must be the logical first person to want to tell.
My best friend 7 (22.6%)
Three people or more 6 (19.4%)
My partner 5 (16.1%)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: storm on October 16, 2007, 04:26:52 PM
Post by: storm on October 16, 2007, 04:26:52 PM
old topic, but I still wanna answer it. At the moment
3 people
1 best friend; my roommate/ ex bf
2 strangers; my 2 kind of penpalls
And in the past, whenn I was living n another place, and was hanging out like a tramp in the night >:D ( LOL) just some more.
3 people
1 best friend; my roommate/ ex bf
2 strangers; my 2 kind of penpalls
And in the past, whenn I was living n another place, and was hanging out like a tramp in the night >:D ( LOL) just some more.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: RebeccaFog on October 16, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on October 16, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
Hi,
My partner knows, but does not grasp.
The members of my LBT support group know.
My therapists know.
Some people at work know, most don't get it.
Most people who kind of get it understand it as a TG related thing. They can understand TG because they have a visual of what a TS is, so I'm sure they think I'm a TS who hasn't even learned to crossdress or something.
I bring it up when appropriate now. I've gotten over the thrill of explaining myself. I feel I'd get more satisfaction from walking down to the ocean and explaining to the stones on the beach. From people, I'd get more of a reaction if I say I'm 1/1,000,000th native american which is what everybody in the northeast (U.S.) already believes about themselves. Yet, they can talk about it all day.
My partner knows, but does not grasp.
The members of my LBT support group know.
My therapists know.
Some people at work know, most don't get it.
Most people who kind of get it understand it as a TG related thing. They can understand TG because they have a visual of what a TS is, so I'm sure they think I'm a TS who hasn't even learned to crossdress or something.
I bring it up when appropriate now. I've gotten over the thrill of explaining myself. I feel I'd get more satisfaction from walking down to the ocean and explaining to the stones on the beach. From people, I'd get more of a reaction if I say I'm 1/1,000,000th native american which is what everybody in the northeast (U.S.) already believes about themselves. Yet, they can talk about it all day.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Jaiden on October 16, 2007, 10:21:42 PM
Post by: Jaiden on October 16, 2007, 10:21:42 PM
Probably 2 people know. As in know the full meaning and know that I am.
1- stranger
1-Friend
1- stranger
1-Friend
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Kaimialana on October 17, 2007, 02:17:43 PM
Post by: Kaimialana on October 17, 2007, 02:17:43 PM
At least three friends of mine know, many more I've known for a long time online. My boyfriend and my bestfriend definatly know.
I actually told a close friend last night, and she was very supportive and actually very interested and intrigued too...I hope I'm not some kind of novelty to her...
I actually told a close friend last night, and she was very supportive and actually very interested and intrigued too...I hope I'm not some kind of novelty to her...
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Incubi on October 17, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
Post by: Incubi on October 17, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
At the moment nobody knows except the people here at Susan's who have read my postings.
I just thought about the whole issue maybe one and a half week (as opposed to having a rather vague feeling about being not really womanly).
I'm not a person who can discuss their problems easily (especially when it's just my own business) absolutely prefere having made up my mind befor I tell anybody. When I'm sure I'm an androgynous I'm gonna tell my best friend about it and if I get a boy/girlfriend anytime soon I'll tell them right from the beginning that I don't want to be treaded like a girl (especially in case it's a guy) just because I know I couldn't have a relationship otherwise.
I just thought about the whole issue maybe one and a half week (as opposed to having a rather vague feeling about being not really womanly).
I'm not a person who can discuss their problems easily (especially when it's just my own business) absolutely prefere having made up my mind befor I tell anybody. When I'm sure I'm an androgynous I'm gonna tell my best friend about it and if I get a boy/girlfriend anytime soon I'll tell them right from the beginning that I don't want to be treaded like a girl (especially in case it's a guy) just because I know I couldn't have a relationship otherwise.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Jaimey on October 17, 2007, 07:14:10 PM
Post by: Jaimey on October 17, 2007, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on June 18, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
hardly no one. but not cos i'm hiding it. i just don't think it would be very interesting or important. If it came up in conversation i would say, but really most people don't care.
me too. i've always been the way i am. as long as people know who i am, i could care less if they have a label for it.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: NickSister on October 17, 2007, 08:17:35 PM
Post by: NickSister on October 17, 2007, 08:17:35 PM
I find it really interesting that only one of us so far has said their family knows. I guess family are the hardest people to deal with. My friends know and so do some people at work. Whether they get it or not is another thing entirely. But I have not told my family (apart from my wife).
I do find it frustrating that my family does not know - the little comments, the innuendo. Can't stand it! But in some ways I don't think it is any of their business, at least not my mums business. She can't keep something to herself, tell her and everyone knows from my aunties to the guy next door and she will put her own spin on it too, full of her own assumptions. I simply don't trust her. Knowledge is power. Though if I ever needed a way to announce it she would be it. But I think it would give me a lot of pleasure if she was the last to know after everyone else has digested and accepted it.
I don't feel the need to tell my dad. He has never had any guy expectations for me except in terms of our shared interests so telling him would gain nothing really.
I do find it frustrating that my family does not know - the little comments, the innuendo. Can't stand it! But in some ways I don't think it is any of their business, at least not my mums business. She can't keep something to herself, tell her and everyone knows from my aunties to the guy next door and she will put her own spin on it too, full of her own assumptions. I simply don't trust her. Knowledge is power. Though if I ever needed a way to announce it she would be it. But I think it would give me a lot of pleasure if she was the last to know after everyone else has digested and accepted it.
I don't feel the need to tell my dad. He has never had any guy expectations for me except in terms of our shared interests so telling him would gain nothing really.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Kaimialana on October 18, 2007, 12:22:55 AM
Post by: Kaimialana on October 18, 2007, 12:22:55 AM
Update: all the people at my Uni's GLBT group now know as well.
I don't think it will be long before its common knowlege accross campus.
I don't think it will be long before its common knowlege accross campus.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: RebeccaFog on October 20, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on October 20, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
I just discovered that my idiot family thinks I'm a crossdresser who may have already castrated themself.
I don't care what they think, but I don't like the idea of telling them I'm an androgyne now because it will probably relieve them in some way.
All they have to do is ask. :)
I don't care what they think, but I don't like the idea of telling them I'm an androgyne now because it will probably relieve them in some way.
All they have to do is ask. :)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Hyena on October 22, 2007, 12:16:08 AM
Post by: Hyena on October 22, 2007, 12:16:08 AM
I think everyone around me knows there's something up about my gender, even if they don't have a name for it. Clearly I am not butch, but I'm not feminine either. It seems kind of redundant for me to tell them what they can already see, unless I want to explore it more deeply with, say, someone I'm dating.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Nightfire1972 on May 23, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
Post by: Nightfire1972 on May 23, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
I am pretty closeted about it. My family always thinks I am odd, but probably doesn't expect binary gender non-conformity. There are many who wouldn't even understand the concept.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Taka on May 26, 2014, 08:37:29 AM
Post by: Taka on May 26, 2014, 08:37:29 AM
i think everybody who knows me probably knows, though some might be in denial (like my mom).
it shows, and it always has. i was never a typical girl, but i was also never consistently boyish. i'm more of an alien, and was treated like that by my peers in grade school, and even middle school. high school was different, because most of the students in my class were equally alien to the rest of society.
the number of people whom i've talked a little more to about it, or who kind of know without me having to say it too explicitly or adding a label to it, is a little smaller. a few online friends from other forums, my younger siblings, my daughter, a few rl friends. mom definitely suspects, but refuses to think the thought properly. her brother, the uncle whom i've only seen a very few times in my life, kind of realized without any need to say anything. he simply knew when i presented as me, and complimented me on it. was my first confirmation that i know myself better than control freak parents.
it shows, and it always has. i was never a typical girl, but i was also never consistently boyish. i'm more of an alien, and was treated like that by my peers in grade school, and even middle school. high school was different, because most of the students in my class were equally alien to the rest of society.
the number of people whom i've talked a little more to about it, or who kind of know without me having to say it too explicitly or adding a label to it, is a little smaller. a few online friends from other forums, my younger siblings, my daughter, a few rl friends. mom definitely suspects, but refuses to think the thought properly. her brother, the uncle whom i've only seen a very few times in my life, kind of realized without any need to say anything. he simply knew when i presented as me, and complimented me on it. was my first confirmation that i know myself better than control freak parents.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Pica Pica on May 26, 2014, 05:27:31 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on May 26, 2014, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on June 18, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
hardly no one. but not cos i'm hiding it. i just don't think it would be very interesting or important. If it came up in conversation i would say, but really most people don't care.
Same still. It has come up in conversation so I reckon about 30 people or so know officially but that doesn't seem worth all too much to me or them.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Satinjoy on May 27, 2014, 04:09:25 PM
Post by: Satinjoy on May 27, 2014, 04:09:25 PM
Quite a few, although they have no clue what any of that means. For that matter, neither do I. 15? 20?
Fun fun...
Nails out, hair down, and Satinjoy took my by surprise a few minutes ago and got very strong- meaning my mtf component. I just went all girl again. No triggers or anything, just moved right over to the woman side of the fluid meter.
Sure is interesting. Now I just watch and enjoy as the identity moves around, since it has been freed up, no longer judged or repressed.
Hard to miss those nails. Was weird talking to the boss a moment ago, when she comes out, she reads, and he treats me a lot different from when my more aggressive component is in play. In a good way.
God Bless and enjoy this precious life we have.
Most people who I have said anything too and know something is up know it is the DES thing. As far as I am concerned, I am half female half male, physically, and it is because of the womb conversion of the endo and central nervous system and skeleton early on. I really don't care who knows that.
The mind is a bit more complicated. And I am still working on the label thing, I don't have just one and I don't want just one. I have a bunch.
Enjoy, love to all here. Feels good not having to hide my hands all the time.
Fun fun...
Nails out, hair down, and Satinjoy took my by surprise a few minutes ago and got very strong- meaning my mtf component. I just went all girl again. No triggers or anything, just moved right over to the woman side of the fluid meter.
Sure is interesting. Now I just watch and enjoy as the identity moves around, since it has been freed up, no longer judged or repressed.
Hard to miss those nails. Was weird talking to the boss a moment ago, when she comes out, she reads, and he treats me a lot different from when my more aggressive component is in play. In a good way.
God Bless and enjoy this precious life we have.
Most people who I have said anything too and know something is up know it is the DES thing. As far as I am concerned, I am half female half male, physically, and it is because of the womb conversion of the endo and central nervous system and skeleton early on. I really don't care who knows that.
The mind is a bit more complicated. And I am still working on the label thing, I don't have just one and I don't want just one. I have a bunch.
Enjoy, love to all here. Feels good not having to hide my hands all the time.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: JulieBlair on May 28, 2014, 10:42:42 AM
Post by: JulieBlair on May 28, 2014, 10:42:42 AM
Life is endlessly interesting. I usually identify as female, have been on HRT for twentyone months, and will be full time in two weeks, with ceremonies at work, and a bunch of other foolishness. But the fact is that the difference now and then will be almost entirely a better fitting shirt/blouse, and a little makeup. I already wear womens jeans/slacks/sneakers every day. I'm more femme elsewhere, but not really a lot. I still like to split wood, do carpentry, and a fill a host of traditional male roles with my kids and grandkids.
So am I more androgynous than female? Sometimes, in fact a great deal of the time yes. And I am fine with that. I don't have to sacrifice who I am to be authentic, I have to accept who I am as authentic. Where I land on the scale of gender identification isn't significant, how I relate to myself and the world is. I have been given the great privilege of being Satin Joy's friend as she discovered herself, and that growth is something for me to learn from.
I have only climbed out of rigid boxes, "all chained with chains, and locked with locks, and labeled kindly do not touch" for a couple of years. One of the most important things I have found is that to leave one box for another isn't necessary and is in fact self defeating.
My name is Julie Blair and I am proudly a human becoming! That is the description that I choose to use today, and that is the description that brings me closer to the light.
Peace,
Julie
So am I more androgynous than female? Sometimes, in fact a great deal of the time yes. And I am fine with that. I don't have to sacrifice who I am to be authentic, I have to accept who I am as authentic. Where I land on the scale of gender identification isn't significant, how I relate to myself and the world is. I have been given the great privilege of being Satin Joy's friend as she discovered herself, and that growth is something for me to learn from.
I have only climbed out of rigid boxes, "all chained with chains, and locked with locks, and labeled kindly do not touch" for a couple of years. One of the most important things I have found is that to leave one box for another isn't necessary and is in fact self defeating.
My name is Julie Blair and I am proudly a human becoming! That is the description that I choose to use today, and that is the description that brings me closer to the light.
Peace,
Julie
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: helen2010 on June 20, 2014, 09:33:58 AM
Post by: helen2010 on June 20, 2014, 09:33:58 AM
Approximately 14 folk covering selected friends, family, current and former colleagues. Coming out to more and more as I feel the need to have an authentic relationship with more people.
Aisla
Aisla
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: ryanjoseph on June 23, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Post by: ryanjoseph on June 23, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
that's a weird question for me. i've never formally come out to anyone as non-binary, but i have "i'm agender" on my tumblr which most of my friends (and a lot of strangers...) follow. i think extended family and friends know, but many of them are unfamiliar with the whole "more than two genders" thing.
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: ativan on June 24, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Post by: ativan on June 24, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
I have no idea...
I don't shy away from it, if anyone asks I tell them.
I have brought it up in conversations when appropriate.
There are plenty of people that I don't know, that know because of that.
I guess they count to a point of a sort...
Gender isn't something that I pay that much attention to.
I notice it of course, but also realize first impressions really mean very little.
So it's not like it does come up often, but it does.
I have no idea...
Ativan
I don't shy away from it, if anyone asks I tell them.
I have brought it up in conversations when appropriate.
There are plenty of people that I don't know, that know because of that.
I guess they count to a point of a sort...
Gender isn't something that I pay that much attention to.
I notice it of course, but also realize first impressions really mean very little.
So it's not like it does come up often, but it does.
I have no idea...
Ativan
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Kendall on June 25, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
Post by: Kendall on June 25, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on May 26, 2014, 05:27:31 PMI see those YouTube videos which you did a few years ago have have resulted in 200 to 7000 views, depending on the video.
Same still. It has come up in conversation so I reckon about 30 people or so know officially but that doesn't seem worth all too much to me or them.
The current number of people that I know in person is probably near 30 as well. This includes family, close friends, ex wife/girlfriends, and close coworkers. On top of that is online forum and/or book readers that know my gender identity from afar which is more likely hundreds.
Ken(dall)
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Charr Lee on June 25, 2014, 07:54:03 PM
Post by: Charr Lee on June 25, 2014, 07:54:03 PM
My mom and some friends
Title: Re: How many people know you are an androgyne?
Post by: Nightfire1972 on June 26, 2014, 04:44:10 PM
Post by: Nightfire1972 on June 26, 2014, 04:44:10 PM
My uncle dropperd the word "androgynous" around me with the nervous shakey eyes. IDK. I have added like 30 people to my gender stuffs. I need less complicated existential problems.