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Title: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 29, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
I have sat playing wargames for years, decades even.

I don't really play MMOs or shooters. I love those gem games, and might play some of the RPG concepts just so long as they have turns.

I think anyone can like Mario Kart.

But I always wondered, what is a gamer girl? And I had asked this question of females in the past.

It is ironic I have always known what a gamer girl likes, I just never realized I was one :)

I think it explains why I am not the sort of type that thrives on aggressive competition. I prefer designs that require thoughtful problem resolution and the ability to develop coordinated actions. Its why MMOs fall flat for me (too much hack n slash) but RPG designs that feature turn based team concepts do it for me.

It is amusing though, trying to explain why I like some games. My friends I suppose are just not used to being told, it's because I'm a girl :)
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: ZoeM on August 29, 2013, 12:41:30 PM
I'm rather in love with the idea that I am now the mythical gamer girl - the thing neckbeards like Old Chris used to dream about.

This makes me rather conceited sometimes.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Erin Kay Howell on August 29, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: ZoeM on August 29, 2013, 12:41:30 PM
I'm rather in love with the idea that I am now the mythical gamer girl - the thing neckbeards like Old Chris used to dream about.

This makes me rather conceited sometimes.

^^^

"Girls don't play World of Warcraft..."
*waves* I sure do play WoW, and a few other major MMO's ;D
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lo on August 29, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
Being "the gamer girl" sucks, hands down. You all can take my place in the ditch if you want!

I don't know why this stereotype still exists-- dev execs are having to deal with (or ignore, take your pick) the fact that for the first time in history women are spending more money on games than men are. MMO player demographics have always been pretty evenly distributed across The Two Genders (consult any poll you want, the figures are pretty firmly in the 45-50% range for female gamers). It's a stereotype that has no basis in reality, and is entirely rooted in the "bro" culture that gamers have established over the past few decades for themselves... one that happens to be terribly misogynistic. I, for one, can't wait for it to go away.  ::)

I work in the industry right now; concept artist for an adventure/sandbox being developed. As far as my history, I've played and enjoyed pretty much everything under the sun, from tabletop RPGs, to puzzle platformers, to multiplayer, plot-less, shoot-em-ups.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Ltl89 on August 29, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
I grew up with two older sister who introduced me to gaming.  There are plenty of girls that play video games.  It's just not as socially acceptable for girls to play games.  It makes no sense, but it's a weird stereotype.  I know my sister would never admit in public that she loves gaming, but she would play as much as I did when we were kids.  However, there probably are less girl gamers in general even if it isn't as polarized as many believe.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 29, 2013, 06:19:22 PM
Well it's true girls play games, but, I think it matters HOW we girls play our games, and WHY we girls play our games, in contrast to how the boys play their games and why.

I lack the penis envy shortcomings of obsessing over biggest sword/gun/tank and toughest armour or defensive whatever.
I tend to need something more than find something to kill, kill it, find something else, kill it, repeat till level up whereupon the matter is just changed to be find something bigger to kill and then kill it.

It gets really dull if everything is about find something to kill, get points for killing it, all so ou can kill something bigger. And too many games, all the supposed role play, it is really just a means to an end to permitting you to find a way to be able to find something and kill it. So even being a simple baker, is more of the same, if you only bake so you can afford to later go out and find something to kill :)

I really love role game settings where the objective doesn't involve anything dying, but still requires involved interaction. Like the Lordship wanting you to go find the lost pendant, because it belonged to the family as an heirloom and he needs it to win over the princess. And along the way, you find out a rival of the his lordship has plans, and so he makes things difficult.

Does any of that ever happen in online gaming? I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lo on August 29, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: learningtolive on August 29, 2013, 03:22:31 PMHowever, there probably are less girl gamers in general even if it isn't as polarized as many believe.

That's the stereotyping at work. Not true by any stretch of the imagination-- the numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Bijou on August 30, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Erin S on August 29, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
^^^

"Girls don't play World of Warcraft..."
*waves* I sure do play WoW, and a few other major MMO's ;D
⬅ ex wow girl here. After 7 years I finally burnt out collecting pets, mounts, and transmog haha.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Horizon on August 30, 2013, 01:35:09 PM
That's not ironic!  It's merely coincidental!

But seriously, I can't wait to be seen as a "girl gamer."  I'm fairly certain the guys that are so against the topic are just suffering from intense jealousy  ;)
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 30, 2013, 05:17:46 PM
@ glitterfly

You should see my gem game collection for Nintendo DS :) That and the gem games I have for Android.

There are soooo many variations on the concept of lining up things in a game.

I recall when muds first came into the scene, back in the 90s. I had 3 friends that actually took bogus college courses just so they could use the campus internet services to play online muds often all danged day long for weeks on end. They basically just disappeared one summer in the middle of the Magic the Gathering rage. One day they were just gone, and I eventually found out they were hanging out on the Frost campus in Peterborough :) It turns out the college course cost a lot less than basic residential internet service at the time.

I have been watching the technology for making 'virtual' table top role games though. In the end, I prefer my role games to be people in a single room though. I want to laugh at horrible unlucky dice rolls and catch myself laughing at the boys that are trying to look down the tops of the girls at the table and munch on pop and chips as we interact. WoW will never delivery the one real thing that made role gaming happen.

Hack n slash was ok in the late 70s but eventually too many people fiddling too often and revising the game too much designed out all of the original fun. 4th edition D&D can be best summed up as a means to milk customers of their cash all while making them think that they are the ones in control. What is really disgusting is 4th edition had barely cooled and they started designing 5th edition. I have come to realize that D&D players are either the dumbest suckers in all of gaming, or they are merely addicts.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on August 30, 2013, 06:35:48 PM
Magic: The Gathering?
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on August 30, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
I used to have a bunch of cards but nobody would ever play with me.  I'm not sure what was wrong with me that even the kids who were picked on in school didn't want to be friends with me.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Erin Kay Howell on August 30, 2013, 07:01:54 PM
Quote from: Bijou on August 30, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
⬅ ex wow girl here. After 7 years I finally burnt out collecting pets, mounts, and transmog haha.

I believe I wasted that much time myself. I just quit on the 18th of September after playing since beta vanilla.
I remember guys freaking out in vent because they'd hear me and tell me I didnt exist!!! Lolol
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Ltl89 on August 30, 2013, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: Lo on August 29, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
That's the stereotyping at work. Not true by any stretch of the imagination-- the numbers don't lie.

I don't discount that possibility.  Are there any studies or statistics that show the rate of gaming based on gender?  Most are probably based on self reporting, and I doubt that is accurate as people may not be honest about how much they game.  I would imagine women would be under-represented in such a study because of the (stupid) social stigma.  Even sales are a bit concerning because it doesn't describe the amount of time dedication to gaming.  So, it may be hard to really get a clear answer.  If there was a study that measured gameplay rate between men and women in an online setting, that could help us explain it.  All those factors put together may give us a better answer.

Perhaps I'm being too analytical about this,lol.   :D

Quote from: Glitterfly on August 30, 2013, 06:34:29 PM
I've always stayed away from MMoRPGs (online "rpgs" on a computer), the people who play them just seem scary... like meth addict scary... o.o hey I've played Magic xD it's fun... with the right people :) you're right though, it kind of loses the attraction if you're not in the same room... ^^

hey what gem games do you have for android :D i've been looking into one or two but they all seem to want to access the internet >:O i don't need a gem game to access the internet! it shouldn't need to...

I've never played those sort of games either.  However, I'm not concerned about the addiction aspect.  I just don't want to part with money on a monthly basis and prefer playing games alone. 
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 30, 2013, 09:41:10 PM
My gem games on Android were freebies and seem to look like it :) Unremarkable and internet connection is not mandatory for all of them, but I would not consider any of them the equal of my Nintendo DS releases by any stretch. Sometimes free means it is schlock too.

I have a few wargames on my Android tablet, but the best wargames are actually iPad options (which sucks).

But if you would like to know, Small General is likely one of the best traditional style wargames out there. That and the Conflicts series are very good wargame designs. I'm talking hexes and turns and wargame counters and WW2 history type games when I say 'wargame' by the way.

But currently THE game for me is one call Mighty Dungeons. Looks like a board game role game emulation and it is quite good and worth the couple of bucks to get the full bore version. First few campaigns are easy and then it gets really nasty serious on the last campaigns :)
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Horizon on August 30, 2013, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Glitterfly on August 30, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
i don't like wargames or anything like that at all! But i'll keep looking for the gem games ^^ if it helps at all... i've been looking through android markets and most of the games i end up wanting are marked for children under 9... xDD hey, it's not my fault if any adults don't know good games >:3

i usually like simple and colourful games ^^ oh hey the balancing board maze thingy for a tablet is also fun :D the one where you have to get the ball from one end to the other without it falling down a hole... i also like the games where you shoot stuff out of a cannon and then try to get it as far as possible... and those balloon popping games! :D ones where you have to shoot arrows through the balloons before they get too close to the ground... or the ones where you shoot balls with a cannon to the mass of balls hanging above your head and get straights of 3 or more to pop them and you have to get them all before they reach the ground.... ^^

Kitten Cannon is the world's most wondrous creation.  Well, maybe after veggie wraps and puppies.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Jamie Marie on August 30, 2013, 11:45:42 PM
I've always loved RPG's from Zelda, and Dragon Quest on up for the most part. An old game also Impossible Mission on C64. Played all through Oblivion and the expansion packs, and about half of Skyrim up until a few months ago when I decided to focus on self discovery.

Why am I different. Well i'm transgendered duh!!! When brain and body collide.

It's a bit off topic but what about the character's we play in these games? Personally I almost always pick a female character and never really understood why until lately. I guess the subconscious helps make the choice more than we realize.

The stereotypes are overrated for exactly that reason, stereotypes. Just like girls in sports. Some love competition, nascar, having fast classic cars, and sports. Does it really matter? We like what we like. Some women are really competitive but they are still women. Some men are very affectionate, emotional, and passive. But it's really how we feel inside not what others think we should be.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Taka on August 31, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
there's this funny mmorpg i played a few times, that had one really slow server. only half xp but much higher drop rate.
all competition was gone, there was no point in it. i met many girls there, they probably found it more comfortable to be out in a less competitive environment. there was even a couple who played together there, the woman occasionally disappeared to take care of their baby.

even so, people generally assumed everyone to be male, the character's gender mattered not.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 31, 2013, 08:43:31 AM
Some random recommends for Android games of note (because Google Play is absolutely doing it's very best to out do Nintendo for shoveling out questionable games).

In no order By the way I will be using the game name so you can find them easy on a search.

Best wargame, Small General. Simple and basic and easy to get into and out of. Has demo, worth the cash.

Best non wargame. Angry Birds anything. Oh come on we all know this stupid game is unbeatable in number 1 slot hehe.

Megapolis is basically Simcity taken all the way. Warning it has pay to get stuff built in.

Unblockme essentially a puzzle game, get the red block off the board by shifting the other blocks out of the way.

Block Puzzle, essentially a Tetris concept only it is a design where you must fill the square, no time limit.

Bard's Tale, an RPG concept. Looks good enough to have not gotten to play it yet though. Humorous elements.

Air Patriots think of it as a tower defense game but your 'towers' are actually aircraft in a WW2 theme. Moving towers eh

Mighty Dungeons, looks like a board game role game concept. Damned good too.

Eve of the Genesis, Symphony of Eternity and Dark Gate are all rpg games I have that I thought looked worth a try. I generally only want to play games that are Final Fantasy like turn based concepts.

Inasmuch as I clearly have several games on my tablet, I originally only bought it to be able to display any of the zillion model reference books I have downloaded over the years, as the books are usually dreadfully limited print runs, and being able to see them at all is thus a luxury.

But the above games, minus my boring list of wargames might interest you.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on August 31, 2013, 06:41:44 PM
There is currently Angry Birds + Rio/Space/Seasons/Star Wars themes that I know of

The gem games I have, are Swiped, Jewels Star, and Jewels Legend. That they are still on the tablet means they were at least not worthless.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Invictus on September 01, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
I'm an avid gamer on various platforms. As an FtM I can somewhat speak about the perception and treatment many female gamers receive in the gaming community (pre-pubescent boys take a ton of abuse as well). I used to often get told vulgar things ranging from mildly offensive to seriously offensive, I have received a large amount of junk pictures as well. Why males think gaming is a solely male hobby is beyond me. There's even people who complain about female characters in a video game. My negative feedback on many consoles comes from guys who were uber vulgar and then got their butts whooped during gameplay.

As a man now I apologize for the behaviour of all those ignorant brats who have no respect for the female gamers.

If any of you are interested in gaming together shoot me a line.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 02, 2013, 08:24:10 AM
I think persons that are TG likely get to see gaming a whoooooooole lot more clearly than most :)

MTF being able to see how 'thrilling' it is to be the only girl present in too many cases, and FTM coming to realizing that being male means a lot of faceplam moments when you realize what you will be accused of having done even if you haven't thanks to all the males that actually ARE guilty of it.

I suppose a lot of the myth is thanks to a lot of females realizing it is better to lie about being male in too many cases. Hence the old gag saying, there are no women in gaming, on guys and guys that say they are women. Sometimes it is just better to pretend to be one of them.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Murbella on September 02, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on August 29, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
^^^

"Girls don't play World of Warcraft..."
*waves* I sure do play WoW, and a few other major MMO's ;D

Hehe, I met my wife while playing WoW... At the time I still had no conscious clue that I had gender issues, but I was a very passable girl in game.  For the first 2 years of us knowing each other I was female as far as she was concerned.  7 years ago, she ended up moving to the same city as me (for unrelated reasons) and I was compelled to come out to her as male.  Little did I know I would be coming out to her as female several years after that...

As for choice in games, Personally I do tend to lean away from traditional masculine games and more towards complex strategy or role playing.  I couldn't care less about when the next Call of Duty/Halo/Gears of war type game comes out.  My favorite is how Ben Croshaw of Zero Punctuation (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation) describes them as all "spunkgargleweewee."  For shooters though I can't wait until Valve finally starts putting visible work into Half Life again, as that series will always stand as the game by which I judge all others.  It Half Life 2 was wonderful as well in that it features a strong female lead.

As for the subject of discrimination of women in gaming communities... http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ is a wonderful website devoted to bringing to light some of the horrid things that people can do while interacting with others behind the curtain of internet anonymity.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on September 06, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
Saw this ad on the side of the page on YouTube. 

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpagead2.googlesyndication.com%2Fsimgad%2F2343772164446959756&hash=5817b6cb6cafe58ae939782a884a22ab758e26ff)
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: TaoRaven on September 06, 2013, 10:05:10 PM
Huh. A lot of my female friends are hardcore gamers, and so am I.

I have known many women to completely dominate in FPS games over the years. In fact, many of them compete on a semi-professional level, and are often seen kicking tail at events such as Quakecon.

Don't discount the Sister on the Trigger ;)

Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Aina on September 06, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Back in the day in Everquest it was a general rule that all characters should be considered Male regardless - and this was before voice chat. Yet alot people use to hit on my wood elf bard, I never really said I was female but I never corrected people either.

Now a days it isn't uncommon to see girls playing games even some that are consider very boyish. Voice chat makes it easier to see that, and honestly If it wasn't for games and voice chats I wonder if I'd still be ignorant of being transgendered.

It was the big reason I started practicing a female voice, so I could "pass" as female online since most will start judging you if you don't join in and thus lead me here to post my voice to get feedback in one of the few places that I knew I wouldn't be judged harshly, and then Its when i started to learn...

I think I got off topic -ponders-

Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 07, 2013, 07:10:26 AM
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 06, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
Saw this ad on the side of the page on YouTube. 

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpagead2.googlesyndication.com%2Fsimgad%2F2343772164446959756&hash=5817b6cb6cafe58ae939782a884a22ab758e26ff)

Heheheheheh according to the ads shilling Wartune on Facebook it is a game finally made for women :)

Which in the end is just a good example of how the internet is just as good at tabloid bull->-bleeped-<- as the magazines at the check out.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: JaneNicole2013 on September 07, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
I have to chime in on this. First, what kind of wargames are you talking about Lesley? Are you talking about video games only, or are you talking about the old hex-and-counter games? If the latter, I am an avid gamer myself and have quite an Avalon Hill collection--although my collection pales in comparison to that of others. I am Bambino64 on BGG by the way if you're on that site. I also used to play Advanced Squad Leader. I enjoy those games, but don't have much time for the rules, set up and such and have turned to Steam and some Euro games (Fantasy Flight has some great games) for my gaming fix, as well as some of GMT's card driven wargames. I am actually involved with a gamer girl now and we have fun together, and playing some COD will always be a great stress reliever for me.

As for Magic, my son was into it about a year ago and we played. I liked it, but he's moved on to other things--namely Minecraft (he's 14).

Jane
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: eli77 on September 07, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: Lo on August 29, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
MMO player demographics have always been pretty evenly distributed across The Two Genders (consult any poll you want, the figures are pretty firmly in the 45-50% range for female gamers). It's a stereotype that has no basis in reality, and is entirely rooted in the "bro" culture that gamers have established over the past few decades for themselves... one that happens to be terribly misogynistic. I, for one, can't wait for it to go away.  ::)

Um... no. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001365.php

Back in 2005, 84% of WoW players were male. Yes, that has changed over time. The figures are now closer to 60% dudes. But back when I played, females were few and far between. I was one of only 2 girls in the top raiding guild on my server for a good year during burning crusade.

The environment reflected that imbalance in fairly horrible ways. Like inappropriate comments regarding my sex life from my guild leader. Fun times.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: TaoRaven on September 07, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Sarah7 on September 07, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
Um... no. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001365.php

Back in 2005, 84% of WoW players were male. Yes, that has changed over time. The figures are now closer to 60% dudes. But back when I played, females were few and far between. I was one of only 2 girls in the top raiding guild on my server for a good year during burning crusade.

The environment reflected that imbalance in fairly horrible ways. Like inappropriate comments regarding my sex life from my guild leader. Fun times.

Just to chime in on this subject....

I believe that WoW's early numbers reflected the predominantly male composition of pre-WoW Battle.net....IE the Warcraft and Diablo players.

In OTHER MMORPGS of the time, such as Everquest, Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc the numbers seemed quite a bit more balanced.

Eventually of course WoW attracted more female gamers and the population mix normalized.

Sorry....LOOOOONG time MMORPG player and one of the very first members of MMORPG.com (account since deleted in protest of the troll-fest that it has become)....and this kind of thing has always interested me.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: eli77 on September 07, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: TaoRaven on September 07, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
Just to chime in on this subject....

I believe that WoW's early numbers reflected the predominantly male composition of pre-WoW Battle.net....IE the Warcraft and Diablo players.

In OTHER MMORPGS of the time, such as Everquest, Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc the numbers seemed quite a bit more balanced.

Eventually of course WoW attracted more female gamers and the population mix normalized.

Sorry....LOOOOONG time MMORPG player and one of the very first members of MMORPG.com (account since deleted in protest of the troll-fest that it has become)....and this kind of thing has always interested me.

I suppose that could be true. But we are talking about a time, before the influx of free-to-plays, when WoW had over half of the total MMORPG players in the Western World. So even if the other MMORPGs of the time were somewhat more evenly distributed (and I'd want to see more than anecdotal evidence to support that), the field as a whole was still unbalanced by the 5 1/4 to 1 ratio that WoW enjoyed.

Hell, when I was a little kid in the 90s, the trope of girls not playing video games was fer real, fer real. It's a myth now that girls aren't gamers, but it surely didn't used to be. And that's a big part of why the gamer culture is so, frankly, vile. Sorry, but it really is. It's like a frat house grown massively out of control. The level of casual misogyny and homophobia can be breathtaking.

Quote from: Miss Bungle on September 07, 2013, 11:08:46 AM
I never got into that stuff. That whole multiplayer/online gaming thing. From everything I've heard it just takes the trollfest that is so much of the net and smears it all over the game you are playing.

Screw that stuff. I don't need to deal with some stupid, bratty schmuck giving me static while I am trying to play a game.

Seems pretty pointless to me.

Because, cleverly, WoW provided a lot of tools to isolate yourself from those kinds of people. I got lucky and ended up with a group of friends who were basically all raiding girl gamers, like me, and a few of their partners and some queer boys. Outside of the raiding hours, that's who I spent my time with. And that social aspect is what makes the games so addictive, past the point that you even like the game much anymore.

Not to mention it allowed me to be myself, even if only in a limited form, before I worked up the nerve to transition.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Sephirah on September 07, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
Having played a few MMO's over the years, it seems to me that sometimes the misogynistic attitudes are there only to serve as a way to show off. The people who supposedly have them, more often than not, they don't actually think that way. It's just something to troll the global chat channels with, and a misguided attempt to appear "cool", or "entertaining" (which is often more a way of saying "I want attention - look at me!"). Talk to them without an audience and they are often very different people.

Another thing that strikes me, is that it's only maybe 5-10% of people who are genuinely "just that messed up" in their attitudes, but unfortunately they're also the ones that are most vocal. Taking the venomous spewings of the same usual suspects on a game server... well, that isn't a reflection on the majority of thought. The only thing that really teaches you is that smart people know to keep their mouth shut and out of the global chat channels. Leave the bridge for the trolls to live under and just ignore it.

Having played something like TERA - part fashion shoot, part MMO, all superficial... I know that many of the female gamers never broadcast the fact due to the same few immature trolls that frequent it. It's not so much girl gamers not being there, but more them being smart enough to keep away from the people who enjoy measuring e-peen and seeking attention.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 07, 2013, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: JaneNicole2013 on September 07, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
I have to chime in on this. First, what kind of wargames are you talking about Lesley? Are you talking about video games only, or are you talking about the old hex-and-counter games? If the latter, I am an avid gamer myself and have quite an Avalon Hill collection--although my collection pales in comparison to that of others. I am Bambino64 on BGG by the way if you're on that site. I also used to play Advanced Squad Leader. I enjoy those games, but don't have much time for the rules, set up and such and have turned to Steam and some Euro games (Fantasy Flight has some great games) for my gaming fix, as well as some of GMT's card driven wargames. I am actually involved with a gamer girl now and we have fun together, and playing some COD will always be a great stress reliever for me.

As for Magic, my son was into it about a year ago and we played. I liked it, but he's moved on to other things--namely Minecraft (he's 14).

Jane

We likely have similar pasts.

I recall well my first encounter with Steel Panthers. I was of the opinion 'yeah right, a computer wargame being any good. that's hilarious'. But it turned out some wargames are indeed good although in too many cases, the design makes solo hotseat not an option, and often that will kill a game for me, as the AI scene for wargaming is such that Terminator and Matrix will NOT be happening any time soon.

I have ASL and refuse to let go of it. I'd rather have it on a shelf not being played than a computer wargame installed and not being played :)

I have actually thought of going and rebuying some of my old board game classics.

I have been to BGG often enough, but I have not participated in the past.

I have had a VERY well established name in wargaming, actually, I would not be hurt if you had never heard of me, but would not be shocked if you had :) I am not overly interested in that past though, too many miserable and over all socially challenged rotten old men in the mix hehe.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: LilDevilOfPrada on September 07, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
I am in the game design field and let me just say!!
I know a girl who makes the most brutal violent amazingly fun games ever!!
She taught half the guys I know what a gamer girl can do.

Trust me gaming has nothing to do with gender, everyone can like games if they just open their socially controlled minds :D

btw anyone dumb enough to tell online players real things may as well just add them on facebook. That being said if you meet nice honest people then nice :D
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Keaira on September 07, 2013, 02:41:08 PM
I love the Halo games, especially Halo: Reach because fir the first time in the series, your body could also reflect that you were female, not just your dying screams. I dont make a mad dash for the rocket launcher or anything of mass destruction. I prefer precision. always a headshot with the Grunts so that it rains confetti on the battle field. Or Team SWAT, where there's no sheilds, no buffs, no protection. Just a good old fashioned gunfight.

And I enjoy Tomb Raider. All of them! I've been a huge Tomb Raider fan from the very start.
I also play Star Trek Online. I am a huge Trekker you know. :P But these are just a few in my list of games I love. I'm ALWAYS up for a game of Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell, Resident Evil....

So yea, I'm a Gamer Girl. my wife is too. She is the Guild Master of one of the longest-running guilds on Moonrunner.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: JaneNicole2013 on September 07, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on September 07, 2013, 01:03:33 PM
I have ASL and refuse to let go of it. I'd rather have it on a shelf not being played than a computer wargame installed and not being played :)

I have actually thought of going and rebuying some of my old board game classics.

I have had a VERY well established name in wargaming, actually, I would not be hurt if you had never heard of me, but would not be shocked if you had :) I am not overly interested in that past though, too many miserable and over all socially challenged rotten old men in the mix hehe.

ASL is hard to let go of. I sold my gear (a suitcase full) a few years back when I needed some money but I've since re-entered the hobby (and it is a hobby in and by itself). It's a great game. I love (and hate) the complexity. Like I tell people, it's the only game I know of that not only can you suffer from a broken machine gun, but you can break it while trying to fix it. My ex asked me one time how a game went and when I was in the middle of telling her about my misfortunes, she said, "I was only asking to be nice" (in a nice way of course).

A few years back a friend of mine and I answered an ad on craigslist for a game collection. We bought about 40 games from the 60s and 70s. Games that have gone pretty much unplayed due to lack of time, although I did take a duplicate of D-Day and make some nice wall art from it.

Ever attend Avaloncon? I went in 93, 95, and 96. Good times.

You do have my curiosity peaked about your identity, but I understand if you don't want to share it. Feel free to message me or track me down on boardgamegeek.com.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Steffo on September 10, 2013, 05:07:30 PM
I've been in love with video games since I watched my older brother play his Commodore 64 when I was little. I have a tetris tattoo, and I make video game sampled hip hop music. You COULD call me a gamer girl, but I always feel like it's a generic misnomer. With that said:

I really enjoy a lot of the newer indie games out on the market.

Castle Crashers, Binding of Isaac, Spelunky, Super Meat Boy, Rogue Legacy, these are all insanely hard, but they pose a good challenge, even if you only need to play for 10 minutes at a time.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 10, 2013, 08:31:38 PM
Alas I have never attended any game events.

The wife last year went with our son to a Starcraft based event in Toronto. Not my thing to pay top dollar just to watch other people game for 3 days in crowded conditions :) But I also won't pay to watch sports either.

It looks like they are going to a second one this year.

Me, the ONLY events I have ever attended with 3 events of AnimeNorth in Toronto, but it was an event of multiple interests ie manga, anime, purchasing, watching, cosplay as well as just a sort of 3 day holiday. I went to two with son back when he was still a young teen. I'm hoping to go next year for the first time in a few years.

I recall one instance mentioned on forums, where an ASL event was at a location the same day another event was playing. It was a funny contrast. Either 100 overweight old men pushing counters or something akin to a Victoria's Secret event. I couldn't picture choosing the old men :)

Most of what I know of non wargaming though, is by being a witness not a participant. And having several intensely active gamer friends who are also younger males and single as well, tends to give me plenty enough exposure. That and having a typical gamer teenager in my home. So much of gaming is something I know of, but have never actually really experienced directly for much. Not sure why I bought GW2 for instance. Looks great, but I feel like a fish out of water playing it. Just can't wrap my head around the practice of playing an MMO for hours every single day.

I am definitely what they call a 'casual' gamer when it isn't something about WW2 and a boring looking board gamish style wargame.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: LilDevilOfPrada on September 11, 2013, 11:00:49 AM
Any gamer girl here own a Warhammer army?? I am the proud owner of a eldar army :D Come now gamer girls cant only exist in the digital?? I am sure I aint the only one with over 3000 magic cards right?? Hahah yea thats me bragging bwahah :D
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: JaneNicole2013 on September 11, 2013, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on September 11, 2013, 11:00:49 AM
Any gamer girl here own a Warhammer army?? I am the proud owner of a eldar army :D Come now gamer girls cant only exist in the digital?? I am sure I aint the only one with over 3000 magic cards right?? Hahah yea thats me bragging bwahah :D

Warhammer is one game I've always been afraid to get into. I've seen a lot of people spend a lot of time and money on armies and I just didn't think I could make that kind of commitment. Had I pursued that hobby, however, I would have gone with the Tau.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 11, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
Once made a Warhammer take for pay for a friend.

As models they suck long and loudly, and that garbage is over priced.

I'd rather be playing 72nd scale table top wargaming ala WW2.

Only 3000 magic cards? I once had during the days of Revised 3000 cards on average for each of the 5 colours and scores of artifacts. Pity I didn't keep all my dual lands, they would have been able to pay for my laser removal. I still have one of each though, thinking of selling them for a tablet upgrade. I ditched everything else long ago though. Used them to pay for my Sailor Moon card game :) Yeah I was robbed, but so what. It's a matter of geek pride that I own them as well as the Sailor Moon role playing game and a Sailor Moon puzzle :)

My two best Magic Decks were once the scourge of the local gaming scene. One was designed to ruin the ability to play the game, and the other merely stole everything from the opponent. People hated playing me.
Title: Re: Gamer girl the irony
Post by: LilDevilOfPrada on September 12, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on September 11, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
Once made a Warhammer take for pay for a friend.

As models they suck long and loudly, and that garbage is over priced.

I'd rather be playing 72nd scale table top wargaming ala WW2.

Only 3000 magic cards? I once had during the days of Revised 3000 cards on average for each of the 5 colours and scores of artifacts. Pity I didn't keep all my dual lands, they would have been able to pay for my laser removal. I still have one of each though, thinking of selling them for a tablet upgrade. I ditched everything else long ago though. Used them to pay for my Sailor Moon card game :) Yeah I was robbed, but so what. It's a matter of geek pride that I own them as well as the Sailor Moon role playing game and a Sailor Moon puzzle :)

My two best Magic Decks were once the scourge of the local gaming scene. One was designed to ruin the ability to play the game, and the other merely stole everything from the opponent. People hated playing me.

HAha still a nice game :P.