Susan's Place Transgender Resources

 by Kathie Perez and Lynn Skinner, this has helped me more in two days then the Andrea James course did in two months. Kathie teaches to set your pitch at a3, if it's lower go higher, if its higher come down.

I am going to order the other two CDs, I may have a session or two with her as well.

Talking into the frequency tuner and trying to maintain a3 has been a great help. I am hitting just below it most times, but I will keep working, I just recorded my voice and noticed an improvement.


One tip I had never heard: never clear your voice, take a sip of water instead or just swallow.

My natural pitch is A#3 (235 Hertz), I think its close enough  ;)

I am curious about their logic of having people go down from their natural pitch of say F0=250?

Pitch varies a great deal during speach, for the F0 to be at A3, you need to speak a good deal of the time at a lower and higher pitch than that. You can see this if you have a free computer based spectrograf like Praat.

A3 is the average GG pitch , according to Kathie. That is the anchor pitch that everyone should strive for, if a transwoman's natural pitch is above a3, she doesn't need the course most likely. A transwoman going too high will sound unnatural, I think I was guilty of that. Another thing that one needs to consider is that this is a one size fits all course.

a3 = 220

I can see my pitch modulating while I speak into my frequency tuner and I can carry it in my purse and do.

What's an A3? And how do I know if I do an A3 or not?

YOu can download a computer spectrograf and find your fondamental frequency F0.

Praat is a free one that's very thorough, though the interface is the not the easiest. Just google it. You'll need a microphone obviously.

Melissa also got a cheap electronic tuning thing.

I am starting to think that my singing range (2a to 4a, natural not falsetto,  on a good day) is to my detriment, I just have to stay in my upper range, I guess. And AJ's course had me focusing on pitch too much.

My natural voice seems to fall somewhere between C4 (262Hz) and D4 (294Hz)  It's difficult for me to go below A3 (233Hz), which seems to be about as low as it goes now.  I'm not sure why it went up there.  It was either hormones, practice, or both.  It didn't used to be that high.

Melissa, since estrogen doesn't affect the voice, you put your voice up there yourself, since your a singer, its not that hard for you. But, it is more strain on the voice and does diminish the dynamic range.

My normal vocal pitch range is not AT the FO its about 215-300; its easy to see on the spectrograf, it looks like a mountain with a rounded peek, I''ve got a LOT of variation in pitch when I speak. Different vowels, consonants have a different natural pitch and resonnance for everyone, the resultant mix creates a muddle F0 that's not that defined. If you want more precision, you look at specific vowels, like the ee sound in heed. The enveloppe for these vowels is distinct from male to females and this enables you to compare yourself with a precise metric.

If your F0 too high, your F1 risk on being about the same or lower (that happens when I'm singing in the high end of soprano). The resulting envelloppe is more like a spoken song than a typical voice (I'd be curious if you also have a big formant around 4000 Hertz, that would really make it like your singing).

I'm a singer as well and I could easily speak at F0=335 Hertz for quite awhile (that really sounds weird) but after experimenting quite a bit at different frequencies, I've come back to my original 235 Hertz and just played with the resonnance instead to add rich timbre to my voice, its like adding a trumpet to my orchestra  :). At that frequency, I can talk with more volume for longer. That is always good when doing presentations.

Also, a funny thing I saw in a study, the most attractive female voice is slightly higher than the female average (think Marylin Monroe), but the one that inspires the most respect is slightly lower than the female average. So, I guess the female average is what you shoot for if you want it all.

Quote from: Melissa on June 21, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
My natural voice seems to fall somewhere between C4 (262Hz) and D4 (294Hz)  It's difficult for me to go below A3 (233Hz), which seems to be about as low as it goes now.  I'm not sure why it went up there.  It was either hormones, practice, or both.  It didn't used to be that high.

Hmmm...that would be seem highly unusual even for a genetic female. Interesting though, I will check the vocal ranges of alto, sopranos,

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QuoteIn music, an alto or contralto is a singer with a vocal range somewhere between a tenor and a mezzo-soprano. The term is used to refer to the lowest female singing voice, or to a kind of male singing voice utilizing falsetto called a countertenor. Alto pieces normally span between G below middle C to the E a tenth above middle C (i.e. G3-E5). At the bottom of their range, male altos sound almost like tenors. Some altos have even larger ranges; from the C below middle C to the C two octaves above (C3-C6 if middle C is C4), but like all singers, their vocal type is defined mostly by their "vocal center" and not by their range (a soprano for instance could technically possess the lower range of an alto, but would not be comfortable singing it). In four part choral harmony, the alto is the second highest voice. Alto pieces were originally written in the alto clef, but now use the treble clef.

Although both men and women may have voices in the alto range, the word is usually used to mean a female singer. The word "contralto" can be used to refer specifically to a female alto singer, versus alto male singers or instruments or clefs. However, choirs singing early music frequently include adult male altos, also called countertenors. If a singer is a man and a natural tenor, if they choose to sing using falsetto they are referred to as a countertenor, whereas a male alto's true vocal weight usually is that of a baritone or bass.

A soprano is a singer with a voice range from approximately middle C (C4) to "high A" (A5) in choral music, or to "soprano C" (C6, two octaves above middle C) or higher in operatic music. In four part chorale style harmony the soprano takes the highest part which usually encompasses the melody.

So though unusual for a genetic male, it's not for a genetic female, I saw a male on American Idol who sang soprano.

Eeek, I was wrong.  I just used my voice analysis software since I'm at home now.  It actually was about 225Hz for F0.  So, nevermind. :icon_redface:

Quote from: Melissa on June 22, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
Eeek, I was wrong.  I just used my voice analysis software since I'm at home now.  It actually was about 225Hz for F0.  So, nevermind. :icon_redface:

That's 5hz higher than the average for a genetic female,according to Kathie.

Quote from: melissa90299 on June 21, 2007, 07:19:33 PM
So though unusual for a genetic male, it's not for a genetic female, I saw a male on American Idol who sang soprano.

A male who sings soprano is called a countertenor.  I used similar techniques to achieve a female singing range for my musical tryout.  However, I had to modify the technique somewhat since a countertenor is supposed to still sound male.

Quote from: melissa90299 on June 22, 2007, 12:28:02 AM

Quote from: Melissa on June 22, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
Eeek, I was wrong.  I just used my voice analysis software since I'm at home now.  It actually was about 225Hz for F0.  So, nevermind. :icon_redface:

That's 5hz higher than the average for a genetic female,according to Kathie.

Cool.  8)

OK, I have Bank of America on the line, holding for a rep...here comes my first test...still on hold...still on hold, now I am getting pissed and going to blow it?

Ok well no sir or ma'am so far, he put me on hold...I wish I would have gotten a woman...be nice to get a ma'am but if I don't get a sir, at least that would be an inprovement...

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He called me ma'am!

Congratulations Melissa :)  That must certainly be a good feeling.

Jessica

Quote from: melissa90299 on June 22, 2007, 10:58:35 AM
OK, I have Bank of America on the line, holding for a rep...here comes my first test...still on hold...still on hold, now I am getting pissed and going to blow it?

Ok well no sir or ma'am so far, he put me on hold...I wish I would have gotten a woman...be nice to get a ma'am but if I don't get a sir, at least that would be an inprovement...

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He called me ma'am!

Cool.  If you ever get called sir, just say "excuse me?". 

I think I had that happen once just after going fulltime and I wasn't sure if I heard him right, so I said that and he switched to ma'am right away.  Other than that, it's either nothing or ma'am.  I do have my good days and bad days with voice and on the bad days, it can get low, but it apparently still sounds female to others.  After recording my voice last night though, I am going to work on it some more.  It wasn't quite sounding how I want it to sound and I think I need to add just a bit of breathiness to it.

Something I will never forget.

I received a phone call once by accident. I didn't know him, and he didn't know me.

We talked for over half an hour, and he never questioned my gender; assumed female.

I wasn't even trying at the time! Made me feel great, and still brings back a good memory.

Got ma'med three times on the phone this am. I psent a lot of time while camping taking walks and practicing, one thing I noticed is that when I said "um" or "uh" when  speaking extemporaneously, my voice dropped down, at times, all the way down to A2, which is the average GM pitch, I practiced getting that up to around E3, I think it's natural for the voice to drop when saying um. I notice a lot of GGs will say um and elongate the vowel and consonant, it sounds very feminine to my ear.

I wonder if others voice drops when they say um.

The only time when my voice sounds manly, is when I am REALLY REALLY mad.
Raging mad. Its not because of the pitch, it drops just a bit, its because my
voice becomes so incredibly loud and comes from the chest.

Quote from: Keira on June 21, 2007, 01:52:05 PM

YOu can download a computer spectrograf and find your fondamental frequency F0.

Praat is a free one that's very thorough, though the interface is the not the easiest. Just google it. You'll need a microphone obviously.

Melissa also got a cheap electronic tuning thing.

Great! I found it on the net, and I'm now downloading it. What's even better, is that there's a Mac version.
Okay, I'm trying to work the program, but it makes no sense at all. I don't know what to press -- I tried clicking all kinds of things, and I get some graphs sometimes that make no sense and don't say anything about frequency.

gothique, if you really serious about perfecting your voice, I would invest the $30 in the guitar tuner Seiko ST 757 or something that displays octaves. I use walking down the street waiting for buses, etc. any timoe I have an extra few minutes, you don't have to wait to record and playback, you get instant readings.

Quote from: Keira on June 25, 2007, 07:15:02 PM
The only time when my voice sounds manly, is when I am REALLY REALLY mad.
Raging mad. Its not because of the pitch, it drops just a bit, its because my
voice becomes so incredibly loud and comes from the chest.

Whenever I yell, it's always in a head voice.  For instance, if my kids get lost in the store and I yell really loud, it still sounds female.  I'm not sure why that it.  Now that I'm paying more attention to my voice though, it can drop a bit low if I'm getting lazy.  The weird thing is, even though it sounds male to me many times, I still consistently get maamed.

Anyhow, my voice really is one of the least of my problems.  I do have other issues I am still dealing with (mostly self acceptance of physical features).  Also, I just got one of those body fat analyzer scales last night and I REALLY need to get that down, since it's high enough to start being dangerous to my health.  Maybe lowering that will help with my voice.  When I was buying the scale last night I got ma'amed (always a good feeling) and I was a bit animated at the time due to thinking something the customer in front of me's child was saying (it was adorable) and I'm sure no matter how good or bad my voice is that day, my looks help me pass, not to mention mannerisms. 

Also, to be quite honest though, now that I'm listening to my voice more carefully, I really don't like it very much. :(  Especially when I hear it recorded.  Rashelle tells me it's good (and she's usually quite honest with me).  However, perhaps I'll go in for more voice lessons eventually.  I have strengthened my vocal cords since the last time.

I've wanted to post audio files for awhile, but all the standard sites all go for visual storage: video, photos.

Only way I could see it work is if you post an audio file under a video extension or and audio file multiplexed with a static image.

You can post mp3s at my space
Just got ma'amed three times and missed twice on the phone, thank you Kathe Perez!

Quote from: regina on June 26, 2007, 03:39:34 PM

Quote from: melissa90299 on June 26, 2007, 02:54:25 PM
You can post mp3s at my space
Just got ma'amed three times and missed twice on the phone, thank you Kathe Perez!

Myspace is a good idea except that:

a) I can't stand Myspace,

b) I don't want to put something personal up on Myspace, have creepy ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s write me, psychopaths hastle me, yadda, yadda.

c) Did I say I can't stand Myspace.

Are there any other sites that aren't quite so public where you can post MP3s? I could find it out myself, but I'm being really passive and lazy.

thanks,
Gina M.

You could put up a totally fictitious page with no references to anything.

Thats a great voice.  If I heard you over the phone I'd give you a ma'am.

Quote from: Rommie on June 26, 2007, 07:29:52 PM
Well.  I'm not sure if the thread started or not to post these in. (LINKS REMOVED)


That's a great feminine voice Rommie. Did you develop it yourself or did you work on it using an instructional CD or book?  I've already been told by my counsellor that my voice will require alot of work, but if it could be half as good as yours I'd be ecstatic!

Hi Rommie, Getting professional help really paid off in your case. I wish your coach was closer to England!!! Best wishes, Louise.

Boohoo, I got my first "sir" of the year over the phone this morning.  I was probably relaxing too much (I haven't actually been trying in person, although I probably should).  I told the lady "I'm not a "sir", I'm a ma'am." To which she started apologizing profusely and said stuff like most of the callers were guys.  After that, I got ma'amed all the way, but still...  I guess my voice needs some more work done on it. :(

Regina,

I think that people work by themselves and for most, that's good enough to sound sort of female with a very nasal quality to their voice (with all the other visual clues), people will generally call you mam in person even if your voice is not perfect.

From what I've heard from talking to many TS on the phone, that their voice is absolutely not female enough to get mamed. But, I suspect that they prefer correcting the person instead of taking the extra effort of getting this done (which can be substantial). If your work is phone related, obviously you've got a greater motivation to do this right.

The usual TS voice of those that have done half the work is highly nasal, like someone with a stuffed nose, it also often lacks volume. I'm sad to say this but it often sounds like the stereotypical effiminate gay man. If people just recorded themselves while they speak and try to correct this, it would go a long way.

Melissa, once or twice a year isn't too bad for a neophyte like you :-). Of course you'll work on it, your so dilligent that I don't doubt it.

Quote from: regina on June 27, 2007, 10:02:22 AM
Tirade:

I wish more people would take Romie's example to heart... if you're having a hard time getting your voice to where you want it, don't just rely on a video or a cd. I suspect the majority of people can't teach themselves using either of those two methods and certainly not from a book. Try to get a voice therapist who has experience with transwomen. Call around and ask other voice therapists if they know someone in your area. Even if you can only afford to see them once a month, you're going to be way better off than working on it yourself.

Voice work requires repeated objective knowledgeable feedback on both the sound and mechanics of what you're doing and you can't get that on here and certainly not from yourself. I understand how tight people's financial situations get when they transition, but it does amaze me that people who will spend lots of money on surgeries, clothes and hair removal won't put the same resources into developing a reasonable voice. People need to be realistic about their voices and, for most, it's a complicated skill that takes a lot of time and practice and knowing what you're doing without hurting yourself. There really aren't a lot of shortcuts.

Tirade over.

Gina M.

I'm sure you are right Gina. But where I live there's unlikely to be a suitable voice therapist within 100 miles (or more), but it's something I intend to talk to my counsellor about. My belief is that if someone is dressed somewhat tomboyish, or even downright male, if their voice is feminine and the body language is right they will be identified as female. I would go so far as to say that perhaps it is important to tackle the voice issue first (along with electrolysis) before getting too far into transition. But I'm just a humble novice and I accept that others may have more informed opinions than me.

Regina, the nasality I was talking about is by doing a head voice with changing anything else in the voice path from vocal cords to the mouth, this does increase higher harmonics, but not in a pleasant way, a lot of those harmonics don't come from the mouth, but the nose!!


Speach therapist recommend to increase higher harmonics to talk while smiling, keep the tongue as low in the mouth as possible, keep the tongue forward and the tip close to the teeth. All of this has to be done without affecting speach, you have to work on it.

One doesn't have to live near a voice therapist, it can be done just as effectively (maybe more effectively) over the phone.

I think the key, whether one on one or using a course, is to work on it every day. I taught myself so many things without formal classes that I feel I can master this without formal training. However, if I don't get the results I expect, I will try formal training, perhaps with Kathe Perez.

I got ma'amed on the phone again today. Just got an e-mail form Kathe that CD II is on the way, I was also singing along with Billie Holliday and Tori Amos, my voice becomes thin in the upper registers but I can match both of them note for note without going to falsetto.

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Wow! I had left myself a message yesterday on my home telephone, I had forgetten that I had and just heard it, I thought at first it was Charlene then maybe Cassandra, then no...who was it...then I realized it was me!

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Worked on my voice extensively while traveling, it's getting there but I need to work on consistency.

Being in a musical, I've been working on my singing voice.  It seems the upper limit of my singing range is about D5 (587 Hz) when it starts to break up, but I can stabilize it, but then on E5 (the next whole step up) it either sounds horrible or no sound comes out.  Fortunately I'm not the only alto in the group where it gets uncomfortable being at the upper limit.

If people want to hear my voice, it's on my Vlog. It drops sometimes, depending on the subject, etc. I find that I talk differently to men and women, friends and strangers. Other girls do that too, and their voice will drop accordingly, although I don't know if I'm dropping too low. I don't notice it until I play back my videos.

A tuner might be a good idea. My Mac comes with Garageband that has a tuner, but it doesn't say the octaves or Hz.

I still can't figure out that program I found. And then I think I sorta got it working, but I don't know how the dots all over work.

--natalie

Posted on: July 11, 2007, 01:05:33 PM

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I found a tuner thingy for my computer. It seems to work okay, and I try to talk into it and the numbers go up and down like crazy with a huge range. I can sing a note in, but how do I know my average range and if it's actually a female range?

Quote from: gothique11 on July 11, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
If people want to hear my voice, it's on my Vlog. It drops sometimes, depending on the subject, etc. I find that I talk differently to men and women, friends and strangers. Other girls do that too, and their voice will drop accordingly, although I don't know if I'm dropping too low. I don't notice it until I play back my videos.

Hi Natalie,
On one of my voice training programs (can't remember which) it is said that girls tend to use a higher pitch when speaking to men, but a slightly lower pitch when chatting to other women. Something else to remember as I try to perfect my "feminine voice"!!
I've just bought a Korg CA-30 Chromatic Tuner, I haven't tried it yet as it came without batteries.
I've just checked out your Vlog, it's great - hope you won't mind me subscribing (my login is "patsytime" on there, you're welcome to check out my channel).
Best wishes, Louise

Quote from: melissa90299 on June 21, 2007, 07:19:33 PM

Quote from: Melissa on June 21, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
My natural voice seems to fall somewhere between C4 (262Hz) and D4 (294Hz)  It's difficult for me to go below A3 (233Hz), which seems to be about as low as it goes now.  I'm not sure why it went up there.  It was either hormones, practice, or both.  It didn't used to be that high.

Hmmm...that would be seem highly unusual even for a genetic female. Interesting though, I will check the vocal ranges of alto, sopranos,

EDIT:

QuoteIn music, an alto or contralto is a singer with a vocal range somewhere between a tenor and a mezzo-soprano. The term is used to refer to the lowest female singing voice, or to a kind of male singing voice utilizing falsetto called a countertenor. Alto pieces normally span between G below middle C to the E a tenth above middle C (i.e. G3-E5). At the bottom of their range, male altos sound almost like tenors. Some altos have even larger ranges; from the C below middle C to the C two octaves above (C3-C6 if middle C is C4), but like all singers, their vocal type is defined mostly by their "vocal center" and not by their range (a soprano for instance could technically possess the lower range of an alto, but would not be comfortable singing it). In four part choral harmony, the alto is the second highest voice. Alto pieces were originally written in the alto clef, but now use the treble clef.

Although both men and women may have voices in the alto range, the word is usually used to mean a female singer. The word "contralto" can be used to refer specifically to a female alto singer, versus alto male singers or instruments or clefs. However, choirs singing early music frequently include adult male altos, also called countertenors. If a singer is a man and a natural tenor, if they choose to sing using falsetto they are referred to as a countertenor, whereas a male alto's true vocal weight usually is that of a baritone or bass.

A soprano is a singer with a voice range from approximately middle C (C4) to "high A" (A5) in choral music, or to "soprano C" (C6, two octaves above middle C) or higher in operatic music. In four part chorale style harmony the soprano takes the highest part which usually encompasses the melody.

So though unusual for a genetic male, it's not for a genetic female, I saw a male on American Idol who sang soprano.

Female singing ranges above, I have been working on my upper ranges, improving timbre somewhat, I can match Bille Holliday note for note, of course, the timbre is not as good on the very high notes, it it were, I'd be on Broadway (well, actually I should be anyway) :)

melissa
thank you for the link to this post

i dont understand all this about voice in c4 and d4 to be honest i am not into music that way so i dont understand it all but i am willing to learn so i can make my voice more in the female range

once again thank you

amanda

IMO, concentrating on pitch can make a voice sound entirely false and synthesised, i have natal female friends with voices far deeper than mine and others. and who you would never mistake for a male vocally... harmonics, and speach patters are more important imo.

Seven years ago, when I had started to understand who I was, and I started taking my dressing more seriously, I knew that to be taken seriously as a woman, that I would need to alter my voice, so I dropped it a notch or two to almost a whisper, and it's worked out really fine for me.

Gina

:icon_dance:

Quote from: regina on July 12, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
Which makes sense because whispering would remove a large amount of your chest resonance and women, on average, don't speak as loudly as men. But Gina, are you able to talk on the phone or outside or in a noisier place while speaking like that? Have you ever had to speak in front of other people? It seems like it could be limiting.

Women in general use more air for the volume they put out.  This results in a breathier voice than the male voice.  In fact, if you take away the breathy element, the voice tends to sound more like a gay man than a woman.  However, breathiness should not be overdone or you will sound like you're in an adult film. :)

By the way, I'm pretty much matching note for note with singers like Christina Aguilera (higher pitch than Billie Holiday), although something a bit lower like Bette Midler is much more comfortable.  The Christina range is about the same range I'm singing at in the musical I'm in too.  I used to be capable of matching note for note with Johnny Cash and probably still could if I tried (it actually hurts to go that low now).

Gina M., I've actually been in some situations where whispering doesn't always get heard. Even though at a nightclub with the din around me, the bartender couldn't quit ehear what I wanted , so I had to raise my voice without hitting the bass tones. Other than that I'm not much of a public speaker. But I do remeber once when I was at the same nightclub, I was talking at length with a gentleman, and he had no problems, even though we were only two feet away from each other.  :icon_tetter:

Melissa, I've tried sighing a lot, and it does help to keep my voice at that certain whisper.

Gina  :icon_dance:

Quote from: gina_taylor on July 12, 2007, 02:01:56 PM
Melissa, I've tried sighing a lot, and it does help to keep my voice at that certain whisper.

I can yell and still sound female.  I have to do this with my kids a lot.  In fact, I can cough, sneeze, sigh, laugh, clear my throat or yawn and still sound female.

Quote from: Melissa on July 12, 2007, 02:17:29 PM

Quote from: gina_taylor on July 12, 2007, 02:01:56 PM
Melissa, I've tried sighing a lot, and it does help to keep my voice at that certain whisper.

I can yell and still sound female.  I have to do this with my kids a lot.  In fact, I can cough, sneeze, sigh, laugh, clear my throat or yawn and still sound female.

I can do so as well most of the time but I am still lacking consistency. Kathe says avoid clearing one's throat, it creates strain, take a sip of water or swallow instead. Taking good care of the vocal chords is essential.

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Quote from: Melissa on July 12, 2007, 01:23:30 PM
By the way, I'm pretty much matching note for note with singers like Christina Aguilera (higher pitch than Billie Holiday), although something a bit lower like Bette Midler is much more comfortable.  The Christina range is about the same range I'm singing at in the musical I'm in too.  I used to be capable of matching note for note with Johnny Cash and probably still could if I tried (it actually hurts to go that low now).

LOL I will stick with Bille Holliday, thank you, :) she actually has limited range though her timbre is remarkable, I find myself occasionally hitting higher and higher notes though. Practice, practice, practice. I am still getting ma'amed on the phone consistently.

I couldn't find my feminine voice coming out of OR though but big deal, right?

Edit: Fixed quotes - Melissa

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 12, 2007, 11:18:02 PM
I couldn't find my feminine voice coming out of OR though but big deal, right?

In that situation?  Not really.  I think they had probably figured out you were TS by then. ;)  With time and practice though, it will become your default voice and you'll use it without thinking about it.  The secret is to use it ALL the time (even in private).  Eventually you will think in that voice and own it and that would be how you sounded whether you were startled, found something too hillarious not to laugh at, or just woke up.

I am not so sure that a GG wouldn't sound gruff and male in that situation after having the tubes struck down your throat. I am still hoarse. I was talking to my sister the other day and her voice is now lower than mine. But she smokes.

i hope you dont mind me asking

can anyone recommend a electronic guitar  tuner pls in the uk and would i get this at most good guitar shops??

Quote from: Melissa on July 12, 2007, 02:17:29 PM

Quote from: gina_taylor on July 12, 2007, 02:01:56 PM
Melissa, I've tried sighing a lot, and it does help to keep my voice at that certain whisper.

I can yell and still sound female.  I have to do this with my kids a lot.  In fact, I can cough, sneeze, sigh, laugh, clear my throat or yawn and still sound female.

im exactly the same, its partly attitude, i dont really know how i do it, because it just  came for me, i did no work, so its hard to explain how. but i can scream, shout, cry, laugh, (my sneezing is hilarious apparently) and all those things, and it sounds girlyer than when i just talk, im working on a singing voice, but it apears i have little tallent so far :P my voice is more feminine the louder and clearer it is, which i like, i also think the femininity of your voice is affected by personality to a large extent, and behaviour, im quite a bouncy person when happy, so it comes out in my speach patterns, its all bubbly and melodic, and sounds awesome :)

Quote from: lighting on July 13, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
i hope you dont mind me asking

can anyone recommend a electronic guitar  tuner pls in the uk and would i get this at most good guitar shops??

The seiko I have that shows octaves has been discontinued but just about any cheap guitar tuner will do, your ear should be able to tell you that you are hitting an a3 as opposed to an a2 or an a4.

Quote from: lighting on July 13, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
i hope you dont mind me asking

can anyone recommend a electronic guitar  tuner pls in the uk and would i get this at most good guitar shops??

I recently purchased a Korg CA-30 Chromatic Tuner to help me with my voice practice and I got it on the internet - I can't find the invoice right now, but I'm sure if you type it into a search engine you will find one.
Best wishes, Louise

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 13, 2007, 02:38:17 AM
I am not so sure that a GG wouldn't sound gruff and male in that situation after having the tubes struck down your throat. I am still hoarse. I was talking to my sister the other day and her voice is now lower than mine. But she smokes.

Yeah, but you said you couldn't "find" the voice.  Not physically being able to do it is another matter.  If you have a bad cold, are you still able to sound female?  I know that challenges many TS.  I just use the same muscles and I sound like a woman with a cold.  In fact, I've never had a problem with having a cold and passing even over the phone.

Quote from: louise000 on July 13, 2007, 07:16:58 AM

Quote from: lighting on July 13, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
i hope you dont mind me asking

can anyone recommend a electronic guitar  tuner pls in the uk and would i get this at most good guitar shops??

I recently purchased a Korg CA-30 Chromatic Tuner to help me with my voice practice and I got it on the internet - I can't find the invoice right now, but I'm sure if you type it into a search engine you will find one.
Best wishes, Louise

thank you for the information
amanda

Quote from: Melissa on July 13, 2007, 10:27:00 AM

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 13, 2007, 02:38:17 AM
I am not so sure that a GG wouldn't sound gruff and male in that situation after having the tubes struck down your throat. I am still hoarse. I was talking to my sister the other day and her voice is now lower than mine. But she smokes.

Yeah, but you said you couldn't "find" the voice.  Not physically being able to do it is another matter.  If you have a bad cold, are you still able to sound female?  I know that challenges many TS.  I just use the same muscles and I sound like a woman with a cold.  In fact, I've never had a problem with having a cold and passing even over the phone.

same, once you cant help sounding female, not much changes that... if you dont when you cough, or laugh, or cry, or have a cold, you know it still needs work.