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Title: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Ltl89 on September 13, 2013, 03:15:21 PM
Post by: Ltl89 on September 13, 2013, 03:15:21 PM
For the past few weeks, I've been doing some thinking about my participation on this site. After some careful deliberation on my part, I have come to question how well I fit in this community and whether or not I've been a positive force on this site. As a result, I would like to ask for some feedback from the community and share my potential goodbyes to everyone here in the event that I decide to leave.
Before I request for specific feedback, please allow me to elaborate why I feel the way I do. In addition to sharing my experiences, asking questions and venting when needed, my main motivation for joining this site was to help others as best as I can and to be a positive force. Being transgender isn't an easy thing to deal with; for this reason, it's always been my goal to be there for as many of my trans sisters/brothers and to contribute to their support structure. It's always been sad to me that some of the most important topics are those with the least amount of feedback. Even if I don't always have the time to post or read long comments, it's the least I could do if it can potentially cheer someone up or help in some way; after all, whats a few minutes or an hour out of one's day in the grand scheme of things. While I may not always have great advice or "wise" words to share, I do have the ability to offer my support. Sometimes just writing a short "congrats" or "we're here for you" can mean a lot to the recipient of that message- I know this because it's meant something to me when others have done so in the past. Therefore, I've always tried my best to help and be as supportive as I could.
However, I have recently been having some internal doubts about whether I've always been a positive force. Truthfully, I'm concerned that some of my posts on this site, even if well meaning, may have had a detrimental impact on others. Besides my venting posts about the challenges in my personal life, I fear my posts in general may have had a negative influence on some members. This would be a crushing experience for me because it's the antithesis of what I set out to do when joining. If my posts have been harmful in any way, I really would feel terrible about continuing here. It may sound like a crazy or weird fear, but I have my reasons for considering that this could be a realistic scenario. Because my posts are always sincere and genuine, it makes me question whether I have anything decent or helpful to contribute. If not, I'm hesitant to remain a member of the community.
In addition to that, I don't know if I really fit in here on Susan's in general. Let me say that the catalyst for this particular concern is my self esteem issues alone and nothing else. I love this community and care for everyone here. It is my opinion that there is not one bad person among us, and I wholeheartedly believe that everyone has something important to contribute. So please understand that my feelings have nothing to do with anyone or any events that have occurred on the site. This is an internal issue of personal self doubt; unfortunately, I fear these feelings may be warranted in this case. Truth be told, I've always had difficulties fitting in socially. It's been hard for me to find a place where I belonged and to integrate into pre-existing groups/communities. Besides that, I have always struggled with developing a healthy self esteem. Though I have recently been taking great strides in overcoming it, I do realize I have a long way to go. Nonetheless, my fears of not fitting in and social inadequacy have been proven correct in the past, so I can't help but question how well I really do fit in here.
In any event, I would really like honest feedback about my participation on this site. I'm trying to assess whether I fit in and if I have done more harm than good since I have become a member. So please share your honest thoughts about me because I really would like to know how I'm viewed by members of the community. Critical responses are welcome because I want people to give me their honest feelings. It's best for me to know how people see me as a both a member and a person in order to know whether I truly do belong here. Say whatever you want about me, whether it be good or bad. Honesty will help me in my decision, so just share your true feelings (if you have any towards me or my participation here). For the time being I am going to continue my break from participating here and will keep working on my self confidence issues and fixing real problems that I face in my personal life. Should I determine that my participation on this site is healthy for both myself and others, then I will come back when I feel ready (whenever that may be). I really don't know how I feel about it at the moment, and need to think it over.
Nonetheless, if this happens to be my last post, I want to thank everyone here on the site. You all have been great and I appreciate every single person who has been there for me. Many of you have helped me in a profound way (many without realizing it) and you will always have my gratitude. I know it may sound like an empty statement, but you have all been a big part of my transition and Susan's place will always be viewed by me as a virtual family. Thank you for that and everything else.
Lastly, a special thanks to the mods and administrators. You do a lot of good and get nothing but grief in return. For what's it's worth, you all have my appreciation and my apologies for adding to your current stress levels. Honestly, some of you have gone beyond the call of duty, and that has meant a lot to me. And of course, thank you Susan for giving the transgender community an important support structure and for making personal sacrifices to ensure that it remains intact. You deserve higher praise than what you receive in return, and I am very grateful for everything that you've done.
Whether or not I decide to leave, this account will remain. I truly hope that my posts can help someone in the future, and I want to leave the option of pms open to those who are in need of someone to talk to. Even if I choose not to remain here, that doesn't mean my door isn't always open.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
LTL
P.S. Mods, I really hope that this will remain up as it is important for me to receive honest feedback from the community, no matter what the content of the feedback is. Thank you in advance for understanding.
P.P.S. Forgive the disorganization and long length of this post.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Devlyn on September 13, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Post by: Devlyn on September 13, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
46 positive rep points tells me your posts are doing a lot of good. Stick around, hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: bethany on September 13, 2013, 03:24:18 PM
Post by: bethany on September 13, 2013, 03:24:18 PM
LearningtoLive, I said it before and I'll say it again. You are a much valued member of this community and Susan's will be a lesser place without you here. Your replys are a great help. And like Devlyn just said you earned 46 rep points you must have been doing something right.
I would hate to see you leave.
Hugs,
Bethany Dawn
I would hate to see you leave.
Hugs,
Bethany Dawn
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Aina on September 13, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
Post by: Aina on September 13, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
I would honestly miss your advice, and seeing your around the site LtL. You have been a positive force too me and I feel we share similar experiences. My vote is for you too stay, but if you feel you need to go I understand.
BUT if you do go you should consider sharing your steam name or skype ect so we can hunt you down and bug you..I mean make sure your ok! :laugh:
But as I said I do hope you stay <3
BUT if you do go you should consider sharing your steam name or skype ect so we can hunt you down and bug you..I mean make sure your ok! :laugh:
But as I said I do hope you stay <3
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: DriftingCrow on September 13, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
Post by: DriftingCrow on September 13, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
I think you should stay, you're a valued member of the community who always is available to support those who need it. If this is spurred by that one member who sent you a PM, just ignore that person, they obviously have issues of their own and they were probably just taking it out on you.
You say you fear some posts may have had a detrimental impact on some members--from what I've seen of your posts (granted, I haven't read all of them), I can't see how that would be true. There's always going to be someone who reads things the wrong way, has baggage we don't know about, has severe depression, etc. etc. and there's only so much someone can reasonably do to keep their posts from affecting others who have problems that we're not aware of.
Sometimes I wonder if I am a good fit here on Susan's, especially since I don't live as male and haven't started medically transitioning, but I think it's good for people who aren't quite the "perfect fit" to stick around, just in case someone else who's similar comes along in need of support.
I hope you stay.
Henry
You say you fear some posts may have had a detrimental impact on some members--from what I've seen of your posts (granted, I haven't read all of them), I can't see how that would be true. There's always going to be someone who reads things the wrong way, has baggage we don't know about, has severe depression, etc. etc. and there's only so much someone can reasonably do to keep their posts from affecting others who have problems that we're not aware of.
Sometimes I wonder if I am a good fit here on Susan's, especially since I don't live as male and haven't started medically transitioning, but I think it's good for people who aren't quite the "perfect fit" to stick around, just in case someone else who's similar comes along in need of support.
I hope you stay.
Henry
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Kia on September 13, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Post by: Kia on September 13, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
I always love reading your posts, there is a genuine beauty to them. Your a good person and everything I've read from you radiates that love and goodness. A few people have left Susan's since I've joined and it hasn't really phased me; but when I read the topic line I was a bit sad. I would legitimately miss your voice here. But don't stay here on my account :D If you do need to leave I'll miss you but I'd also be happy that you were doing what was important for yourself
lotsa love,
Kia
lotsa love,
Kia
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Amelia Pond on September 13, 2013, 06:14:22 PM
Post by: Amelia Pond on September 13, 2013, 06:14:22 PM
LtL, I've always seen your posts as positive and personally have never had a bad interaction with you. ;)
I do however understand how you're feeling. When I first accepted that I'm transgender back in January, I signed up an account. I had around 20 or so posts by the end of February and had no friends here and I felt like I didn't fit in. So I stopped posting and started lurking until I progressed further in my transition.
I realize now that the reason why I stopped posting wasn't because I didn't fit in but because my own self image, depression and anxiety got the better of me. I was never great at socializing either.
I can tell you, after all of that, I have many good friends on the site and have made many posts since (even though a lot are news articles or fun posts ;) ).
The point is that you make a positive difference in more people's lives than you realize and you need to try to ease up on yourself because that's what seems to be what your main problem is. ;)
I, for one, have always enjoyed your posts and hope you decide to stay and you can feel free to contact me anytime about anything. ;)
Lots of love and hugs,
Amy
I do however understand how you're feeling. When I first accepted that I'm transgender back in January, I signed up an account. I had around 20 or so posts by the end of February and had no friends here and I felt like I didn't fit in. So I stopped posting and started lurking until I progressed further in my transition.
I realize now that the reason why I stopped posting wasn't because I didn't fit in but because my own self image, depression and anxiety got the better of me. I was never great at socializing either.
I can tell you, after all of that, I have many good friends on the site and have made many posts since (even though a lot are news articles or fun posts ;) ).
The point is that you make a positive difference in more people's lives than you realize and you need to try to ease up on yourself because that's what seems to be what your main problem is. ;)
I, for one, have always enjoyed your posts and hope you decide to stay and you can feel free to contact me anytime about anything. ;)
Lots of love and hugs,
Amy
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: JenSquid on September 13, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: JenSquid on September 13, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
LtL,
I like having you here. My experiences dealing with you have been nothing but positive. Please don't go.
— Jen
I like having you here. My experiences dealing with you have been nothing but positive. Please don't go.
— Jen
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Cindy on September 13, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
Post by: Cindy on September 13, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
I want you to stay. You are a positive and a valued member.
I have had my fair share of problems and many times I hoped hiding would solve them.
It didn't. I have problems now that can only be dealt with by dealing with them. I may fail, I may not.
I don't know why you feel that you have not contributed, all I can say is that I have always respected your comments and views.
We have to learn that no ones view is correct. They are only personal opinion.
Please stay and give us all the benefit of yours.
Cindy.
I have had my fair share of problems and many times I hoped hiding would solve them.
It didn't. I have problems now that can only be dealt with by dealing with them. I may fail, I may not.
I don't know why you feel that you have not contributed, all I can say is that I have always respected your comments and views.
We have to learn that no ones view is correct. They are only personal opinion.
Please stay and give us all the benefit of yours.
Cindy.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: aleon515 on September 13, 2013, 10:51:45 PM
Post by: aleon515 on September 13, 2013, 10:51:45 PM
I like your posts-- and I'd vote for you to stick around.
--Jay
--Jay
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Amy The Bookworm on September 14, 2013, 12:55:33 AM
Post by: Amy The Bookworm on September 14, 2013, 12:55:33 AM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 13, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
46 positive rep points tells me your posts are doing a lot of good. Stick around, hugs, Devlyn
^ THIS!
You're kidding right, LTL? At worst, sometimes you come across as young (I'm 32, going on 33). Outside of that you always have good advice, are often well thought out, and from what I've seen you're polite. I usually make a point of reading your comments because they're usually well thought out, even when you are on the rare occasion saying something I don't necessarily see from the same angle. I think you would be doing people a disservice by leaving.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Sephirah on September 14, 2013, 01:20:12 AM
Post by: Sephirah on September 14, 2013, 01:20:12 AM
You care enough to get involved with other people's struggles. You care enough to give people a voice which says "I'm here, I care, I saw what you wrote and feel the need to let you know you're not alone."
What you write is secondary to the fact that you do. You put yourself out there. Regardless of what's going on in your life, you feel the need to be there for others. And that is a rare trait in this world. That alone makes you valuable regardless of what advice you do or don't give.
You want honesty, here it is. You are needed here. By people who feel like they have no one to talk to. People who need a friend. People who need to feel like they're not alone. You seem like a considerate, thoughtful, friendly person who wants to help people. You don't need to know all the answers, or how best to proceed. You just need to be who you are: Someone who wants to be there, to offer support, and a shoulder to lean on. That alone gives people the motivation to seek their own answers, to have the strength to pick themselves up when they fall. Knowing someone is there for them often makes all the difference. Rather than crying out in the dark and getting only silence... to know someone is listening gives them hope.
You are needed.
Also, in the spirit of honesty I have to say I applaud you in identifying and realising the need to work on your own confidence issues, and in seeing where the need to ask this comes from. I think it's a good thing to work on your own issues and to try and make some forward progress in your own life too. And I wish you all the luck in the world. That can only be a benefit to what you contribute here, so keep it up, hon. :)
When you're ready, we'll be here.
*hugs*
What you write is secondary to the fact that you do. You put yourself out there. Regardless of what's going on in your life, you feel the need to be there for others. And that is a rare trait in this world. That alone makes you valuable regardless of what advice you do or don't give.
You want honesty, here it is. You are needed here. By people who feel like they have no one to talk to. People who need a friend. People who need to feel like they're not alone. You seem like a considerate, thoughtful, friendly person who wants to help people. You don't need to know all the answers, or how best to proceed. You just need to be who you are: Someone who wants to be there, to offer support, and a shoulder to lean on. That alone gives people the motivation to seek their own answers, to have the strength to pick themselves up when they fall. Knowing someone is there for them often makes all the difference. Rather than crying out in the dark and getting only silence... to know someone is listening gives them hope.
You are needed.
Also, in the spirit of honesty I have to say I applaud you in identifying and realising the need to work on your own confidence issues, and in seeing where the need to ask this comes from. I think it's a good thing to work on your own issues and to try and make some forward progress in your own life too. And I wish you all the luck in the world. That can only be a benefit to what you contribute here, so keep it up, hon. :)
When you're ready, we'll be here.
*hugs*
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on September 14, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on September 14, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
LTL,
This says a lot to me.
You are a valued member of this community and you have a lot of friends here.
This says a lot to me.
QuotePosts: 1,899
Reputation: +46/-0
You are a valued member of this community and you have a lot of friends here.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Shantel on September 14, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: Shantel on September 14, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
Hey LtL,
I was getting the feeling that you are like a younger sister and that you are smart, intuitive and most articulate. I realize that we are on opposite ends of political thought from one another, but that isn't a big negative for me honey, we all have independent thoughts and opinions, life on the big rock would be boring and sterile otherwise. I want you to know that I value you as a friend and sister, better stick with us or we'll have to send out a search party and drag you back kicking and screaming. xox ~Auntie Shan~
I was getting the feeling that you are like a younger sister and that you are smart, intuitive and most articulate. I realize that we are on opposite ends of political thought from one another, but that isn't a big negative for me honey, we all have independent thoughts and opinions, life on the big rock would be boring and sterile otherwise. I want you to know that I value you as a friend and sister, better stick with us or we'll have to send out a search party and drag you back kicking and screaming. xox ~Auntie Shan~
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: CalmRage on September 14, 2013, 12:09:12 PM
Post by: CalmRage on September 14, 2013, 12:09:12 PM
I like your posts, please don't leave.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Beth Andrea on September 14, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Post by: Beth Andrea on September 14, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
And keep in mind that when you vent, or talk about your own issues (such as self-esteem), there are several others who don't post that kind of stuff and who appreciate your openness.
:)
*hugs*
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 14, 2013, 12:55:18 PM
Post by: Lesley_Roberta on September 14, 2013, 12:55:18 PM
I think Beth and the others commenting on the +46 says it all LTL.
We all experience doubt and then joy and then frustration and then confusion. I would not pressure yourself to perform, there is no performance requirement here.
If you feel a bit of burn out, go on vacation from the site, but, I would not suggest you leave with no expectation to return.
I've sure felt like leaving myself let me tell ya. Glad I ignored that voice too.
We all experience doubt and then joy and then frustration and then confusion. I would not pressure yourself to perform, there is no performance requirement here.
If you feel a bit of burn out, go on vacation from the site, but, I would not suggest you leave with no expectation to return.
I've sure felt like leaving myself let me tell ya. Glad I ignored that voice too.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Rachel on September 14, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Post by: Rachel on September 14, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Only someone who truly cares about others would present questions that you have. You are helping people who are struggling and need help or feedback or a shoulder or just someone to share with.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: YBtheOutlaw on September 14, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
Post by: YBtheOutlaw on September 14, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
oh come on. shake off all the disturbing thoughts and stay as you always did. 46 rep points don't come for nothing, they reflect how much you have done for this community. if you think you don't fit in here you're imagining things! where would a trans fit better than susan's place? after all, this is a place we all help each other out, so let us help you cheer up and dump any thoughts of leaving. smile now. there you are :) please stay, i don't like seeing anybody leaving me in a bad mood
PS: i've only been here for a few months now, but you need to know how much influence you've made on me. i've even named a chapter of this novel i'm writing for a school project after you.
PS: i've only been here for a few months now, but you need to know how much influence you've made on me. i've even named a chapter of this novel i'm writing for a school project after you.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Ltl89 on September 15, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
Post by: Ltl89 on September 15, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
Thanks everyone for the honest feedback. I really do appreciate everything that was written here. I still have some of the same concerns, but perhaps I am looking at things the wrong way. I'm thinking very hard about this, but perhaps I'm thinking too much. I don't know.
In any event, I want people to understand that my only intention on this site is to be as real as possible and to support others in their journey as best as I can. It's funny, but this little site is one of the only places where I am able to express myself in a genuine manner at the moment. Of course, this can have it's downside. Even though I desire to help others and believe I have an individual perspective to share, I too have my weaknesses and flaws. I am in no way a role model and wouldn't ever claim to be one. Believe me, I'm far from anyone special in this world. While I have my strengths, I have problems of my own and am no authority on the dos and don't of the world. Therefore, I can only share my genuine view on things and that is neither right or wrong. I can't sit and censor my every thought or written word. I'm not here to write the most eloquent posts nor do I care too (hell, look at how sloppy this post is,lol). It's not my goal to be fake with others and pretend to be something I'm not. My goal is to be as honest and helpful as possible. Sometimes I'm limited in what I can provide, but I always do my best to be supportive and respectful of everyone here. However, realize from who and where it all comes from. I'm a flawed 24 year old transgirl who is early in her transition. I've accomplished and experienced a lot in my life, but I have problems of my own and a long way to go in life. Therefore, I wouldn't ever claim to be an authority on transitioning or all the problems that other people face. What works for me or what I believe may not be the same for you. My perspective is clouded by my own experiences, both positive and negative, just like everyone else. And just like everyone else, I have feelings that matter, so please understand I'm also here for support and deserve respect even if you disagree with me or take issue with something that was said. I can always be approached if done in a respectful and considerate manner.
In any event, thank you for allowing me your time to read this incredibly incoherent and grammatically flawed post. It is much appreciated and you win an imaginary award. I would like to continue my stay here without worrying about infighting or unintentionally leading others astray, so that's why I posted this. I'll probably return sometime in the upcoming week. I'll see.
Thanks for the feedback.
In any event, I want people to understand that my only intention on this site is to be as real as possible and to support others in their journey as best as I can. It's funny, but this little site is one of the only places where I am able to express myself in a genuine manner at the moment. Of course, this can have it's downside. Even though I desire to help others and believe I have an individual perspective to share, I too have my weaknesses and flaws. I am in no way a role model and wouldn't ever claim to be one. Believe me, I'm far from anyone special in this world. While I have my strengths, I have problems of my own and am no authority on the dos and don't of the world. Therefore, I can only share my genuine view on things and that is neither right or wrong. I can't sit and censor my every thought or written word. I'm not here to write the most eloquent posts nor do I care too (hell, look at how sloppy this post is,lol). It's not my goal to be fake with others and pretend to be something I'm not. My goal is to be as honest and helpful as possible. Sometimes I'm limited in what I can provide, but I always do my best to be supportive and respectful of everyone here. However, realize from who and where it all comes from. I'm a flawed 24 year old transgirl who is early in her transition. I've accomplished and experienced a lot in my life, but I have problems of my own and a long way to go in life. Therefore, I wouldn't ever claim to be an authority on transitioning or all the problems that other people face. What works for me or what I believe may not be the same for you. My perspective is clouded by my own experiences, both positive and negative, just like everyone else. And just like everyone else, I have feelings that matter, so please understand I'm also here for support and deserve respect even if you disagree with me or take issue with something that was said. I can always be approached if done in a respectful and considerate manner.
In any event, thank you for allowing me your time to read this incredibly incoherent and grammatically flawed post. It is much appreciated and you win an imaginary award. I would like to continue my stay here without worrying about infighting or unintentionally leading others astray, so that's why I posted this. I'll probably return sometime in the upcoming week. I'll see.
Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Devlyn on September 15, 2013, 05:19:11 PM
Post by: Devlyn on September 15, 2013, 05:19:11 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I think we're still thanking you! Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Post by: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.
Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.
Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Devlyn on September 15, 2013, 07:52:58 PM
Post by: Devlyn on September 15, 2013, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: Joules on September 15, 2013, 05:41:20 PM
LTL, you should stay...
TBH, I got a little irritated with you from time to time. When I thought about it, I guess I would be jealous because you so often came up with the "definitive" answer to things before I had even thought it through.
Please stick around, you are a tremendous asset here. You are a "classmate" to me, we started out about the same time and our progress has been keeping pace. Besides, you can't leave until you post a pic of yourself.
I love the classmates reference. When someone leaves here, not for bad reasons, just because they're ready and takes the time to say goodbye, I call it a graduation. I'm always happy for the graduates, I miss them but when you go visit your old school, the only familiar face is the janitor. And the urinals are way too low to use.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: suzifrommd on September 16, 2013, 09:52:29 AM
Post by: suzifrommd on September 16, 2013, 09:52:29 AM
LTL, I'm asking myself the same questions. Many of my posts were an attempt to share my experiences and feedback where it might be helping.
Recently I left a couple of ill-advised (but well-intentioned) posts that unleashed a blast of negative feedback my way (prompting apologies all around in the end).
But it got me to ask myself how much I'm really helping here. I spent a week or two taking a break from the site, while I thought about this. When I returned, I decided to scale back my "helpful" posts in a big way. Unless I think someone really needs my point of view, I'm working on keeping it to myself most of the time.
Recently I left a couple of ill-advised (but well-intentioned) posts that unleashed a blast of negative feedback my way (prompting apologies all around in the end).
But it got me to ask myself how much I'm really helping here. I spent a week or two taking a break from the site, while I thought about this. When I returned, I decided to scale back my "helpful" posts in a big way. Unless I think someone really needs my point of view, I'm working on keeping it to myself most of the time.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Bookworm on September 16, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
Post by: Bookworm on September 16, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
All I can stay is that it would love it if you stayed. You are a great person and I am sorry you have had some much grief as of late.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Ltl89 on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
Post by: Ltl89 on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.
Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.
This is something I try to be very conscious about. Whenever I see a serious topic with little feedback, it sort of crushes me. While some topics may appear redundant to us, they are brand new for others. It's important that new members get the feedback and support that they need. So I always make a point to contribute whatever I can, as long as it's sincere and honest. Still, I don't have the answers for everyone (I don't have them for myself) and my perspective can differ greatly from others. That's sort of why I feel concerned about the possibility that my posts can be detrimental. I find myself thinking things like ..."did I give inadequate support? Did my posts contribute to others feeling negative or like they aren't getting adequate support here?" That's why I feel a bit hesitant to post. I just want to be helpful and make others feel that they are getting support even if my own individual contributions are small due to the limitations in my experiences and the circumstances of my life. For example, if someone is having trouble with their spouse, I face the dilemma of leaving them with little or no feedback or offering a limited response. I've never been married and won't ever have to come out to a spouse. I can only share anecdotal stories that I know because others have experienced it or I can try to make a loose comparison to my coming out to my parents and sisters but obviously that is different for a multitude of reasons. So do I give the most honest and helpful response that I can even if it is limited or do I allow that post to go nowhere and that person feeling dejected? I feel that the former is the better scenario, but what if I'm wrong? I'll never pretend to have answers that I don't have, but I try to give as much as I can even if it's only a little. Yet, perhaps some of my terse contributions may upset some people? What if my posts leave them feeling like no one understands them or their situation? Also, even in the situations that I do have direct experience with, I may find myself given my perspective when someone's circumstances greatly differ despite the similarities. I don't want someone to feel like I am saying "do this" or "this is the only way". Nor do I want them to feel like no one else can relate to them. There have been some situations that have made me feel cautious about posting, and I've received feedback which have proven my concerns right. So I feel
cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people. Perhaps I need to get over this. Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site. I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site. Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up. My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.
In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting. I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak). I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.
Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Tessa James on September 16, 2013, 05:44:57 PM
Post by: Tessa James on September 16, 2013, 05:44:57 PM
Hey LTL you already know I think well of you and your posts here. Plus I am going to call you on your expressed commitment to "be here for you" and even take on our adversaries. I also know you experienced some negative feedback. Some of my best friends were all over me last night about my hair. OK we get that people who do care about us can still do and say things that just hurt.
I would love to quote from your own supportive posts but that may be seen as sarcastic so suffice it to say, please stick around !
I would love to quote from your own supportive posts but that may be seen as sarcastic so suffice it to say, please stick around !
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Shantel on September 16, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Post by: Shantel on September 16, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: learningtolive on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
So I feel cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people. Perhaps I need to get over this. Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site. I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site. Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up. My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.
In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting. I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak). I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.
Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback.
One thing to keep in mind is that none of us have all the answers and we can't possibly please everyone or meet their needs no matter how hard we try, we're all just flawed human beings. No one is infallible and it's possible to misread someone's post and say something that becomes a complete ->-bleeped-<- storm where everyone joins the feeding frenzy. I've been on the receiving end of those events and have had to eat some crow and apologize, forgiveness comes rapidly here. One thing no-one can possibly slight you for is making the effort to offer support to some hapless soul or offering a leg up to some newby. I wouldn't continue to be overly concerned about this hon, your heart is in the right place!
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Antonia J on September 16, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
Post by: Antonia J on September 16, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.
Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.
Very well said, Shan!
LtL - you should hang around. Maybe you just need a break for a bit? Come back, if you do go, though. I have always seen you as a person like me trying to sort out and navigate through finding your identity, and I appreciate reading your posts.
Best wishes to you, whatever you decide longer term.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: JLT1 on September 16, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: JLT1 on September 16, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: learningtolive on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
Whenever I see a serious topic with little feedback, it sort of crushes me. While some topics may appear redundant to us, they are brand new for others. It's important that new members get the feedback and support that they need. So I always make a point to contribute whatever I can, as long as it's sincere and honest. Still, I don't have the answers for everyone (I don't have them for myself) and my perspective can differ greatly from others. That's sort of why I feel concerned about the possibility that my posts can be detrimental. I find myself thinking things like ..."did I give inadequate support? Did my posts contribute to others feeling negative or like they aren't getting adequate support here?" That's why I feel a bit hesitant to post. I just want to be helpful and make others feel that they are getting support even if my own individual contributions are small due to the limitations in my experiences and the circumstances of my life. For example, if someone is having trouble with their spouse, I face the dilemma of leaving them with little or no feedback or offering a limited response. I've never been married and won't ever have to come out to a spouse. I can only share anecdotal stories that I know because others have experienced it or I can try to make a loose comparison to my coming out to my parents and sisters but obviously that is different for a multitude of reasons. So do I give the most honest and helpful response that I can even if it is limited or do I allow that post to go nowhere and that person feeling dejected? I feel that the former is the better scenario, but what if I'm wrong? I'll never pretend to have answers that I don't have, but I try to give as much as I can even if it's only a little. Yet, perhaps some of my terse contributions may upset some people? What if my posts leave them feeling like no one understands them or their situation? Also, even in the situations that I do have direct experience with, I may find myself given my perspective when someone's circumstances greatly differ despite the similarities. I don't want someone to feel like I am saying "do this" or "this is the only way". Nor do I want them to feel like no one else can relate to them. There have been some situations that have made me feel cautious about posting, and I've received feedback which have proven my concerns right. So I feel
cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people. Perhaps I need to get over this. Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site. I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site. Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up. My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.
In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting. I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak). I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.
Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback.
You just wrote why you should stay. You think, You try, You care.
We are better off with you that without. Keep doing your thing. This is good.
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Aina on September 17, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
Post by: Aina on September 17, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
Happy to hear your staying LtL, you know the same gesture ( Did not mean jester..not sure how I typed that)* you offer others stands true here also.
If you ever just want to talk hit me up, and I am positive I am not the only one here you can do so!
If you ever just want to talk hit me up, and I am positive I am not the only one here you can do so!
Title: Re: Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes
Post by: Taka on September 18, 2013, 08:42:16 AM
Post by: Taka on September 18, 2013, 08:42:16 AM
to be perfectly honest, i didn't read that whole block of text too closely (sorry, i'm about to run to the boat that will take me home for work).
but i just really feel like i have to tell you this:
i like you and your posts. you try to make a difference, i admire that.
i'd be sad if you leave, even though i don't participate in all of the same conversations as you do.
we can't all agree on everything, but that doesn't mean that the ones we disagree with are less worth, and we can even like each other still.
i see you as a positive force on this site. the world is a nicer place with flowers like you in it.
but i just really feel like i have to tell you this:
i like you and your posts. you try to make a difference, i admire that.
i'd be sad if you leave, even though i don't participate in all of the same conversations as you do.
we can't all agree on everything, but that doesn't mean that the ones we disagree with are less worth, and we can even like each other still.
i see you as a positive force on this site. the world is a nicer place with flowers like you in it.